Ford Escape

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Ok, scape2 - thanks. Just so long as we're on the same page. Depreciation hits are typical and mostly unavoidable. Unless you trade every year or two, it's nothing to lose (much) sleep over. Cars aren't investments after all.

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  • petemacpetemac Member Posts: 1
    Question for you all: Lately every now and then when I have the vent going, I sometimes get a smell like rubbing alcohol. Anyone know what that is???

    Thanks
  • ttnfttnf Member Posts: 1
    I could use your help.

    I am seriously looking at the Escape and the Mazda Tribute mechanical-clone. I test drove and liked both, but I'm having difficulty calculating price due to add on accessories that the Mazda itemizes but the Escape doesn't provide info on - step bars, perimeter alarm, all-weather mats, etc... Any help in comparing the vehicles and/or finding costs of accessories?

    Also, do you know why the warranty is better for the Tribute?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Search the net For Escape/Trib OEM accessories. There are quiet a few that sell Ford/Mazda parts on the net for far less than dealerships. This might give you a better idea of really what these accessories sell for... Good luck.
    Trib is a nice vehicle....
  • cincinnaticincinnati Member Posts: 5
    I've been shopping for a new vehicle to replace the Jeep Cherokee which goes back since the lease is up in a week. The other day we narrowed it down to the Escape/Tribute and the CRV. The silver CRV that I was interested in came into the dealer yesterday. Took the wife down to look at it. She hated it. Said it looked too girlish. We started looking at the construction and you know, it really is cheap looking. The engine can get all kinds of road crap thrown up into it since the wheel well is open! You almost cannot get to the auto transmission dip stick to check the fluid level - what were the Honda engineer's thinking? The whole thing just seemed kind of "tinny" and real light weight. The wheels on the LX are ugly - yikes!

    Then we went to drive and look at the Escape/Tribute. Yes the ride is a little rougher, but the vehicle seems better built and safer. The seats are firm just the weay we like them. You can easily reach all the necessary items in the engine compartment like dip stick, tranny fluid stick, etc. V6 is not sluggish like the CRV's little engine and does not whine like the CRV. For about the same price, you get more vehicle with the Escape/Tribute. The wife definitely liked it but it's still going to be mine. Now, to just work out something with the dealer!
  • cincinnaticincinnati Member Posts: 5
    What's up with the 5W-20 oil? I don't think I've ever seen 5W-20 for sale? Is it more common now? How hard is it to change your own oil? I did not see where the filter is from the engine compartment, and I was dressed too nice to look under the vehicle. Is it easy to access from the underside? That was a big issue with the CRV.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    The biggest selling point of the CRV over the escape is reliability. A lot of people have gotten badly burned over the Escape and Ford. That's why Consumer Reports gave it a "Much Worse Than Average" rating.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    advantage the CRV has over the Escape.. its history. Don't get caught up in all the hype of how unreliable the Trib/Scape are.. The recalls are over, done.. none for the 2002 Escape/Trib.. Search the net.. you will find thousands upon thousands of satisfied Escape/Trib owners..
    Escape/Trib are pure winners in this arena.. the V6 was a bullseye!
    I change my own oil and use 10W-30. VERY easy to do your own. You don't even have to put the vehicle up on ramps! Filter is right in front and you can reach back to the drain plug.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    Don't get caught up in all the hype about how unreliable they are? The recalls are history?

    Scape2, you read this message board and the one on Yahoo. Every second message is complaining about the car stalling or things falling off it or engines being replaced. And those are the drastic things. How many other people put up with rattles and creaks and loose fitting pieces that never bother to write in.

    Don't sell convenience and peace of mind so short. Some people just don't value their time as much as others and are content to waste it waiting for dealer service, firm in the satisfaction that it's covered under warranty. Keep your warranty, give me a solid car!

    Take a trip over to the Highlander message board. They sit there talking about how to install fog lights. Hardly ever a problem.
  • cincinnaticincinnati Member Posts: 5
    You should read some of the CRV message boards. They complain about their vehicles. That's why I think the Honda "quality" thing is more preception than reality.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    How many are repeats? How many are people lying? How many are people answering questions/concerns?
    yes, I am a member of the Yahoo board and its not as terrible as you say.. Vist www.escapecentral.com another board with satisfied Escape/Trib owners. You paint the Escape/Trib as being a problematic/unreliable vehicle when there are thousands upon thousands of satisfied owners on the net. You have convinced yourself that all Escapes/Tribs are going to just fall apart/breakdown. What do you own by the way?
  • s_hearn01s_hearn01 Member Posts: 2
    I am looking at the Saturn VUE and the Escape, for someone who is not an expert, does someone out there have any basic (slightly) unbiased advice for me. I'm honestly drawn to the Escape and like that more features come standard, yet I am new to the car buying experience, what advice to all of you have for me?

    Thanks,
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    My advice is to take scape2 with you when you choose your escape :-)
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    I own a Jetta. Been back to the dealer only twice with small things.

    And as for that Escape reliability argument, it's an old, old one and you seem rather stubborn and oppinionated to begin with so I'm going to let it go.

    The proof is in the pudding though and I think everyone here accents that Ford as real QA problems right now with practically all of its models.

    You know, the one thing I respect the most about this was when some lady on Yahoo said she understood she would be taking the car in for problems (some severe, some not) and knew she'd be spending more time in waiting rooms but she loved the car so much it balanced out.
    No Contendre.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    S hearn, I took the Escape out for a weekend and put 200 clicks on it. I seriously wanted to love this car. It was black with tan interior. I was ready to put my money down. I liked the style and the shape and the handling. I was willing to rationalise away reliability issues and interior materials and all that.

    But a couple of hours in that hard seat and 1 hour listening to the noise on the highway completely discouraged me.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    There are those who stalk this room to prey on folks just like you to discourage you from buying an Escape/Tribute. I own an Escape XLT V6 4wd and it has been a wonderful vehicle. I use mine to tow my jet skiis, visit ski areas and go to my favorite fishing spots. This vehicle has never let me down. My advice to you is to visit other chat rooms around the net, look at the initial recalls I am sure your going to hear about over and over again. For 2002 there are NO recalls for the Escape/Trib, and the initial recalls were only for certain build lots/dates so they did not affect EVERY Escape/Trib like some want you so badly to believe. You will find thousands upon thousands of happy satisfied people whom own Escapes/Tributes.
    You have come down to two good choices. Its obvious you want some power beings you chose a VUE and an Escape. Take them on long test drives and right down the pros/cons for each. Good luck, let us know what you choose.
  • audoaudo Member Posts: 5
    I've been reading about the Escape for months. I know there have been problems but they have been dealt with. I decided to purchase one and I picked it up this week. I love the way it handles! My previous car was a 4 cylinder and now I have the XLT 4X4 V6. I love those extra horsies!! I continue to read about the Escape on this site and others. I have a couple of minor concerns but other than those, I really like the way the vehicle looks and the way it handles. I hope I'm not disappointed down the road.
  • cincinnaticincinnati Member Posts: 5
    Picked up my XLT from the dealer yesterday. They had to go on a hunt for one in the color I wanted. Got it in late Friday and went over and picked it up on Saturday. My 19 year old daughter went nuts over it - she loved it. We've been a Jeep family for over 25 years and I thought she only wanted me to get a Liberty, but she is real happy with this. So far it has been great.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    The V6 is powerful and reactive. Take it easy for the first 5K miles for break-in.. I know its hard to... :-))
    Enjoy your new vehicles!
  • chevycamchevycam Member Posts: 54
    I have been a Honda person for years. I still own a '99 Accord coupe EX-V6. I have never owned a ford and never wanted to.

    That being said, On Friday, I will be picking up my 2002 Escape XLT 4x4 V6 midnight edition. I tried to find a small to mid size SUV I liked better. I looked for 8 months. I couldn't do it. The escape has great power, looks, and driveability. I couldn't find anything I liked about the CRV.

    I have owned several new Hondas. Each one has been less reliable than the previous. They are still great vehicles but they aren't as trouble free as they used to be.

    Get over the Escape recalls! Yes ford screwed up by getting the Escape out the door to fast. They fixed the problems. There are NO RECALLS so far in 2002. They even redesigned the mirrors to lesson the air noise by about 80%. These new mirrors are on models made from end of January '02 and on. They have also added padding to the seats and shortened the column shifter.

    Don't forget, the escape and tribute vehicles were a joint venture between Ford and Mazda. There is some Japanese engineering in these vehicles.

    The choice is simple, if you want ugly and slow go with the CRV. If you want fast and great looking go with the triscape!

    Before you say the Honda is more reliable, look at the recalls the CRV has had this year and look at the tranny problems Honda has had with the accord and oddessy.

    I should know, my tranny in my accord was replaced at 37k (for free with no arguement).

    The point is, no vehicle is perfect, not even a Honda and Ford quality is job zero but they are improving, the triscape is a good example(1st year 5 recalls.......2nd year 0 recalls).
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    "Get over the Escape recalls! Yes ford screwed up by getting the Escape out the door to fast. They fixed the problems. There are NO RECALLS so far in 2002."

    Bragging that a 2 yr old model has no recalls this year is hardly praiseworthy. At any rate, it's not the recalls I'd be concerned with. It's more the random engine stalls and all the other engine, coolant, transmision and interior piece problems you read about all over.

    "They even redesigned the mirrors to lesson the air noise by about 80%. They have also added padding to the seats and shortened the column shifter."

    I put 200 KM on an Escape with the new mirrors. I'd love to know where you got this 80% figure from because I detected no difference in wind noise at all. The car was still loud on the highway. (Seats still way too hard IMHO).

    "Don't forget, the escape and tribute vehicles were a joint venture between Ford and Mazda. There is some Japanese engineering in these vehicles."

    I'm not going to tell you about my '92 Mazda MX-6 because it'll make you cry.

    "The point is, no vehicle is perfect, not even a Honda and Ford quality is job zero but they are improving, the triscape is a good example(1st year 5 recalls.......2nd year 0 recalls). "

    (eye roll). Yes, they should be praised for bringing the number of safety recalls from 5 to 0. Maybe Consumer Reports should add a new category for that.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Today I spent about 6 hours on my Escape. I used the Maguires 4 step wax. I own a black XLT V6 4wd and I am telling you the paint looks like glass!! I rubbed snd rubbed and it was well worth the effort. I also used some stuff called Black Chrome. This cleans all the exterior plastics and puts a nice shine to it. My Escape looks like something you would see at a Car show..
    I knew black is a very difficult color but when its cleaned and waxed correctly, whew! what a difference....
    Jafo, what do you own?
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    There are a very few folks talking about the stalling problem, and the few that have experienced it have gotten it fixed by Ford..
    But then you mention that there are pervasive coolant, transmission and interior problems? One persons problem does not indicate a pattern.. Actually, I'm not sure I've heard of anyone with a coolant or tranny problem.. On the interior, there have been a few complaints about a rear hatch rattle, but I'm not sure this is 'wide spread', or even exists in the 2002 models..

    It's clear that your preference of vehicle is NOT the Escape.. You don't like the seats and the noise.. Your opinion and its a welcome one.. But it's not clear what would motivate you to make up problems that you imply are common with the Escape (coolant, tranny, interior etc.).

    You can name any vehicle out there, (even the media beloved Toyotas) and we would be able to find folks that have had problems with engine and tranny of that vehicle.
  • cptroncptron Member Posts: 2
    I've got an 2001 Esc XLT with 6500 miles...Great
    vehicle, imo. The wiper module and fuel system recalls weren't a bother, but last week I went to start the vehicle and there was a small explosion under the plastic intake manifold, cracking the manifold and unseating it off the block. The service dept said they've not heard of this problem, but I'm checking with any other owners to see if they've had this situation...
    Thanx for any replys...
  • chevycamchevycam Member Posts: 54
    I have never heard of an Escape doing this.

    Is it a 4cylinder or 6cylinder?
  • chevycamchevycam Member Posts: 54
    Sounds like you don't like anything that isn't a Honda. Hope you get your head out of the sand some day.

    I don't think you drove the Escape with the new mirrors. If you did you wouldn't hear anything until 75 or 80mph.

    I have spent seven or eight months researching SUVs. The only problems you hear repeated over and over are the stalling problem and the rear hatch rattle.

    Sounds like you made up a few of your own. Unless you hear a problem over and over it probably isn't one that many have experienced

    You say the seat is to hard. I guess you prefer the "bus like" seat in the CRV. Very uncomfortable in my opinion.

    I'm finished trying to convince you. Believe what you want. Don't throw out B.S. about problems that don't exist.
  • chevycamchevycam Member Posts: 54
    Fords overall reliability is ranked second only to Toyota (alot like the F150 ranked #1 in their class)
    Ironically enough, Con****** R****ts
    (see they dont always hate Ford
    page21 on Used Car guide 2002)

    I had to sensor the name of the magazine to make edmund's happy!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    huh? You can say Consumer Reports around here... (best check your email).

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  • Bode13Bode13 Member Posts: 19
    Saw my first Escape with the Midnight Package yesterday. Although I'm not typically one for hyperbole, it looked awesome!

    The interior, although black, was not nearly as dark as I expected it to be (a good thing), but just dark enough to be very classy and to give the interior a more upscale feel. The bumper covers and cladding didn't appear to be just painted over, they appeared to be significantly smoother and more refined.

    If they offered this with Chrome Yellow I'd buy it in a heartbeat (esp. if they also offered the black leather interior). Anyway, this begs the question, is this monochromatic paint scheme going to be offered for other colors any time in the next couple of model years? Maybe as an option perhaps?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    like the body cladding, but feel Ford should offer the Escape in non-cladding also. Rumors are Ford is going to offer a Mercury variant of the Escape/Trib in the next couple of years. I would be willing to bet this will have no cladding and offer more options not available on the Trib/Scapes..
    Aftermarket parts are springing up all over the internet for the Escape/Trib. All kinds of lights/lamps/racks/guards even interior pieces..
  • scnamescname Member Posts: 296
    Ford is burying the Mercury plate. Lincoln version of the Escape was planned since the very beginning. Cancelled because of cheap image and quality concerns.
  • chevycamchevycam Member Posts: 54
    Just read over at the escape-central website that ford has confirmed a mercury version.

    BODE-13:

    If ford is smart they will make the monochromatic scheme available for all colors. I wante the dark shadow gray but didn't want the unpainted cladding. I love black but its a pain to keep clean. I went ahead and bought the black anyway.

    SCAPE-2:

    What interior pieces have you seen in the aftermarket world?
  • cptroncptron Member Posts: 2
    Thanx for response...It's a 6 cyl 2001 XLT.
    Service dept said they had never seen anything like this. Whatever explosion it was, it cracked the shield over the intake plenum, too. They're putting in new egr (?) valve and accelerator cable. Sending broken parts back to Detroit.
    Doggone shame...I'm shareholder too...8-(
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    Actually the coolant light problem was pervasive but a contact at Ford said they redesigned the coolant bottle and associated hardware in Nov '01.

    Mea culpa.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    Yes, I'm certain the car had the new mirrors. And I test drove it heading in two different directions to make sure it wasn't just due to a windy day or something. I think the noises also stem from engine and tire noises too.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    There are wood and silver accent interior kits available for the Escape/Trib along with interior overhead consoles and different seats.
    Exterior there are all types of grills, guards, rear gaurds, bumper guards available. If you visit www.Escapecentral.com they have links to many of these parts sites. Along with typing Ford Escape parts into your web browser will bring up a nice selection also..
    There will be a Mercury version of the Escape/Trib. As a non-scientific poll.. On the way home I counted the number of Escapes/Tribs on the road.. I saw 9 Escapes and 4 Tributes in a 22mile commute home....
  • brendah008brendah008 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2001 V6, when ever I turn my air on It smells like some of the exhaust fumes are coming in. I've had the filter changed and sprayed, but it keeps doing the same thing.
    Does anyone else have this problem?
  • kossmankossman Member Posts: 8
    I am in the market for a SUV and I love the styling of the Escape (midnight ed. especially) except for the headlights. Is this the only vehicle made that still has what I consider to be old school lights?? What I mean by that is they are not clear see through lenses like those found on almost every other new car or truck. This was the only thing holding me back from buying a 2001 model in hopes that the 2002 model would change the headlight style. Does anyone know if there are aftermarket headlights available for the Escape? Thanks
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I saw a fixed up Escape on www.Escapcentral.com in there photo section that had some of the lights you are speaking of. Try this forum there is a ton of information on this site..Good luck.
  • bri66bri66 Member Posts: 220
    I have been told that I should have received from Ford the trailer hitch bar that slides and bolts into the receiver on the back of my XLT Escape. I never received one when I took delivery of mine. Did anyone receive theirs or was I told incorrect info?
    Thanks
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    The slide in part is generally not part of any trailer package.. Depending on the type of trailer you have, the slide-in bar's rise or drop will need vary accordingly in order to keep the trailer level.
  • npaladin2000npaladin2000 Member Posts: 593
    I noticed all the Ford documentation states it's available only with the XLS Sport (which I don't want..4 cyl) or with the Midnight Package (which I also don't want...I don't like black). Anyone know if any dealers have been putting them into other models? If I get the Escape, I want one of these things. Badly.
  • odie6lodie6l Member Posts: 1,173
    Found out that you can actually get more room in the rear for hauling items if you remove the flip and fold cushions. I had to move some top soil (about 960 lbs worth), a couple 6x6x12 and 6x6x6 treated lumber and a bunch of little things here and there. When you fit the seat cushion forward, there is a little lever with a yellow tab on it, flip it up and you can slide the seat cushion out. It gives you a good bit extra when the seat backs are folded down. I also went and got the Tornado fuel saver thing and had the techs at my local Ford Quick Lane pop it in. I'm up to about 25 mpg city and 30-32 mpg highway (on the V6 4wd). I'm also at 15k miles so I'm way past my break in period. Well hope you all have a fun spring/summer, I know I will.

    Odie
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Mind if I ask how much you paid for the Tornado?
    Interesting article on the Escape rebates..
    Thanks, I live in the NW and this explains why I have not seen anything about this as of yet. Seems to be more pointed at the Northeast, Eastern parts of the country..
  • npaladin2000npaladin2000 Member Posts: 593
    Where did you get that Tornado thing, and how much? And did Ford happen to mention anything about that changing the powertrain warranty or anything? Notice any performance difference with it in?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The accessories to improve mileage and extend engine life board discusses the vortexes, spiral do-hickeys and Tornados. (snake oil, imho <g>).

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  • steve2675steve2675 Member Posts: 10
    Hello
    My name is Steve and I am interested in purchasing a new Ford Escape.
    There is just something that draws me to this vehicle over Honda & Toyota.
    Anyway, the real reason why I am posting this message is because I plan to move to Florida within the next 30 days. I need some advice in deciding what to do with the car I am driving right now.
    I currently own a black 1997 Dodge Avenger coupe. It has 62,000 miles on it and it is in excellent condition inside and out.
    I would like to purchase a Ford Escape, but I don't know if I should purchase it here, in Upstate, NY or if I should purchase the Escape in Florida.
    I am interested in purchasing the the Ford Escape
    for several reasons:
    1) More space
    2) Great looks
    3) 4 Wheel Drive
    4) Lighter color for the Florida sun
    All thoughts, advice, and ideas are appreciated.
    Thank you!
  • knapp3knapp3 Member Posts: 112
    Anyone know where you can get technical data on Ford's 5W-20 Motorcraft oil? Aside from what is on the container.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I work for a large high tech company. For every chemical/solvent/cleaner whatever, we must keep what is called an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet)onsite. I am sure your local Ford dealership probably carries this MSDS sheet on the oils/lubricants they use. This sheet will give some very specific data straight from the manufacturer.
    Steve, if you don't have time to sell the car yourself it looks like your going to have to trade it in. Dealerships are always going to use low if not below blue book. Just know what your car is worth at low blue book and don't budge. Also, DO NOT pay full retail for the Escape. As you know there are tons of Ford dealeships, move on to the next one..
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