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Ford Escape

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This topic is a continuation of Topic 2184....

Ford Escape. Please continue these discussions
here. Thanks!

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  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    I have read that the reason for the delay in the holding area is that there is supposedly a glitch in the automatic transmissions and each and everyone of the automatics have to be given a 40 mile test drive.Also, there are numerous complaints about a fuel smell unrelated to the fuel line "O" ring recall.,
  • cwnutcwnut Posts: 1
    I have the "x" plan. I know that it is 4% above the "a" plan for ford employees. Does anyone know what the "a" plan price is in reference to the dealer's invoice ? Thanks for your help !!
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    I have written Blue Oval News and ask them to investigate the reason/or reasons that 4000 Ford Escapes have been in a holding yard for almost a month and why new owners are still complaining of a fuel smell inside the cabin even after the fuel line "O" ring recall was corrected. We haven't had any straight answers from FORD.It has been stated that there are transmission problems and each unit has to be driven 40 miles {maybe rumor, maybe not}. People at the yahoo Escape Club have even been waiting since "JULY" for an ordered Escape. WHY? WE WANT ANSWERS!
  • dyl2dyl2 Posts: 13
    I am having trouble with MPG. In fact, it gets ridiculous in city driving. I must get less than 10 MPG when city driving. Highway is OK and I don't do much city driving but it just begs the question why? Anyone with a clue?
  • kymberkymber Posts: 3
    I just rec'd my Wedgewood Blue XLT 4x2 auto/16" wheels/privacy glass and moonroof. I'm looking at a Red Carpet 3 yr lease based on selling price of $21,401 with $500 lease rebate money. The lease rate is the killer----11.25% is what they're saying for 3 years (payment of $443 w/all taxes and no security deposit). Anyone know anything better. I ordered mine and it arrived in 4 weeks but they're built in KC only 2 hours away. Thanks for the help.
  • Does anyone know of an after maket "on line" catalogue for the Ford Escape for such items as, brush guards, roof racks, additional front lights etc...Does anyone also know if there will be a limited or Eddie Bauer verson of the EScape??

    Best Regards
    Thanks

    Michael
  • I am one of those that have been waiting for my Escape since July. All of this information about Ford holding some of the Escapes is really starting to irritate me. I, along with tronsr, want some answers!! Why is it that I ordered mine in July and do not have it, yet Kymber got hers in 4 weeks!!?? I am also in the midwest. VERY VERY FRUSTRATING!!
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    I have been waiting since Aug 18 and still absoultely no word on delivery. I have traded a car a 1998 ZX2 got a great deal, but I dont want to drive it very much to preserve value, so that is my situation. I don't think I like all these postings re avaliability. Some people get them some don't and you and I are in the latter group
    But if they aren't right I guess we could back out.
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    dyl2, what octane gasoline are you buying? These modern engines have a high compression ratio so they also have a knock detector that retards the ignition when it knocks because perhaps you "floor it" in town a lot. You will get lower MPG with regular gasoline because the engine must adjust to compensate for it. See what happens to your MPG with high octane fuel.
  • 10 miles to the gallon??!! something is very wrong, unless your hauling a ton of weight around a very hilly city scape, there is no reason, get the engine checked out!
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    Are you sure you are not driving a Hummer? Getting ten miles per gallon with the Escape is inconceivable. You are either have a gasoline leak
    or you are computing the miles per gallon wrong. I, also, strongly suggest a trip back to your dealership.
  • dyl2dyl2 Posts: 13
    The thing is I don't even rev the truck above 3000rpm so I know I'm not pushing it. Like I said, it's really fine on the highway (about 22-23) but in the city it just gets ridiculous and I don't haul or drive it hard at all.

    In response to the question about octane grade used, I'm using 87 because I don't believe it needs any better. Besides, higher octane fuel burns finer and should give you better performance but less mileage so I don't think that's it.

    Anyways, I gave Ford Assistance Center a call and they told me that I had a recall issue, the fuel line. My dealer told me all had been taken care of but perhaps that was before that particular recall was issued. Does anybody know if that would affect the MPG?

    Again, I must get LESS than 10MPG (Just drove 15 city, 10 highway for a total of 25 miles and it looks like 3 gallons are gone.
  • Can you get the 6-way power seats in an XLT with the cloth seats, or do you have to get leather to get the power seats? We live in moderate hills and I noticed the Escape V-6 shifted alot out of overdrive, does it still do this after they are broke in? My V-6 SOHC Explorer doesn't shift out of overdrive on these same small hills. Thanks in advance!
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    "In response to the question about octane grade used, I'm using 87 because I don't believe it needs any better. Besides, higher octane fuel burns finer and should give you better performance but less mileage so I don't think that's it." --dyl2

    By, there's a lot wrong with that statement. I would guesss the reason that you "...don't believe it needs any better..." is becasue you don't want to pony up the extra 3¢ - 5¢ a gallon and not some great engineering deduction.

    I will give you my experience.

    My '99 Passat Turbo REQUIRES a minimum of 91 octane gas. With a lesser octane, there is a measurable (dynoed) decrease in MPG and Horsepower. The engine is DESIGNED and CALIBRATED to use that fuel best.

    You should ALWAYS use the gas octane that is recommended in YOUR owner's manual because modern engines are calibrated to run on a specific octane. If it is true that you don't NEED to use a HIGHER grade then the manufacturer recommends (and it is true!) then it is also true that using a LESSER grade has a negative effect on your MPG and HP.

    So if the manual says use 89 or 91 and you have decided to use 87 because "...I don't believe it needs any better..." then you deserve your crappy mileage. Sorry for the bluntness.

    {sidenote}
    It always amazes me how someone can spend more then $20k on a new car then carry on about how much gas costs. The difference per gallon from 87 to 91 octane is about 10¢... in a 16 gallon tank that means an extra $1.60 per fill up. Small price to pay IMO for a cleaner running, more fuel efficiant, better performing vehicle.

    No flame meant, just my opinion. :-)
  • siyasiya Posts: 5
    The owners manual on my '99 Odyessy rate the engine at 205bhp on 87 octane and 210bhp on 91+. First time I've seen it specified.
    Still waiting for Escape xlt 4x2 ordered 9/5.
  • dyl2dyl2 Posts: 13
    First of all, I absolutely agree that you should always use what if recommended by the manufacturer. That's 87 and what I'm using. I really wouldn't use anything else not because of the extra two bucks but because that's not specified. To tell you the truth, if you said that using 93 would make a noticeable difference in the longevity and quality of my engine, I'd use it but you probably should've checked what the manufacturer's specifications were before you made a reply that really doesn't give me an answer to my situation.

    By the way, I really hope you weren't insinuating that even using a crappier grade of gas (which I'm not according to specs) could account for such a huge disparity in MPG cause that would truly be ignorant.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Relax... no reason to get all offended. I was trying to give you some examples based on my own experiences and knowledge re: Octane, that's all.

    I apoligize for ASSuming :-) you were just being cheap, but I thought the Escape asked for 89 octane, most cars do nowadays. I was mistaken, sorry, but no one is perfect.

    I was also NOT suggesting that using the wrong octane accounted for your ultra-low mileage. I was just trying to add something more to the 5 "answers" above mine that all told you to go to the dealer... those posts didn't answer your question anymore then mine did btw.

    Take a breath, we're all on the same team here. :-)
  • dyl2dyl2 Posts: 13
    I was just about to post something in regards to our mini conversation, which I must admit may have gotten a little out of hand. I'm sure you know more about cars than I do cause I don't know jack. In any case, my real question at this moment is whether or not the fuel line recall could have anything to do with it. I have to take it to the dealership anyways since it's a safety issue and it's gotta be fixed.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Well, the recall thing would be a good start, but definately tell them about the MPG problem while it's in. Perhaps a bad O2 sensor or Air mass meter.

    No worries on our conversation.
  • Just to let anyone reading this know. I am in St. Louis, Missouri and am getting quotes at invoice and even below from dealers. I did it by getting a firm quote and figures from the Internet then insisting on a factory order, then I started price shopping. Once I had a good price, I sent the figure around to the area dealers. Sunset Ford and Dave Sinclair Ford are taking the prize so far, but Paul Cerame and Bo Bueckman have been close. In St. Louis at least there is really no excuse for paying much above invoice. If you are willing to do your homework, work the phone and fax machine a bit and place an oder, you will get an Escape at an excellent price, like I said, literally, at invoice, or below, and I even got them to wave the stupid "paperwork fee" thing they all like to tag on.

    So, good luck and happy hunting.
  • I am having a terribly hard time deciding whether or not to get my Escape with Four Wheel Drive or not. Something tells me that Front Wheel Drive with the XLT's standard ABS is just enough, but . .. I am not sure. Can someone advise me as to whether or not four wheel drive is really crucial and worth the extra money? I do not play on doing any off road stuff with this vehicle, so it would only be good for the snow we get. I've lived and driven in Northern Iowa and Ohio with a rear wheel drive vehicle and it was a mess, front wheel drive was fine though.

    So, help! I'm hopelessly perplexed.

    Thanks!
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    We have all been hoping for a five star passenger car safety rating on Escape so we need to "go figure" based on what has been happening to Explorer and other SUVs. They all have a higher center of gravity than sedans and the more people and stuff you load into them and on top of them the tippier they get. A government rating system in development gives a fully loaded suv one star because it has "40% chance of rollover in a single vehicle accident serious enough to call police." The deaths occur because no safety belts are used. It's easy to feel deceptively safe sitting high in an suv. The higher center of gravity problem has had sedans lowering their center of gravity for years, especially in zoom zoom sports cars. Since we are trying to help each other here by sharing information that might help I suggest seeing www.msnbc.com/news/480570.asp?cp1=1 and think it over for yourself. The side airbags might be a really good choice. The seatbelts too.
  • THe manual for the Escape/Tribute clearly states to use 87 octane gasoline. It also SPECIFICALLY states to NOT use higher octane gasoline. I find that interesting since I have alway found my cars run better with the higher octane gas, but I am definitely following the reccomendation. Our other car is a Passat which a previous poster mentioned requires premium unleaded. It has never seen 87 and never will.

    The moral of the story is follow the manual. If you do you will have nothing to worry about.
  • yes, we could back out, but then what?? I want my Escape and I want the one I ordered!! I thought about buying off a lot, but they are quite scarce here. That is beside the fact that not one of the lots have exactly what I ordered. I am going to be dropping in on my dealer soon, and will hopefully get some answers. Although, if they really do have to do a 40 mile test drive on each of the automatics, it could be a really long wait yet. My patience is running thin...
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    Well of course I agree with you I want mine also. The news from Michigan is not good, I am still told they have no idea when the vehicle will be in. I think that maybe vehicles are given to high visibilty places first I dont know.
  • wow i have never heard of a manufactuer to state to use a low grade fuel. my escort states to use a minimum of 876 octaine, but i run 93. i get some better gas milage, also easier to start better idle, and i definatly feel a diference in power, since i do drive the car hard, there is a big jump in pull over 4K, with 87 octaine there is some pre-ignition and loss of HP..
  • My understanding about octane is that the higher it is, the more stable the burn--the lower the octane, the hotter the burn! Many times the reality is counter-intuitive. 'Don't know if it's still true, but at one time, running an octane higher than that specified for your car could actually cause it to sort of "gum up"!
  • There is a lot of confusion here about octane, although the most important point has already been made: the Escape takes 87.

    Octane is a rating of gasolines resistance to combustion, that is, it’s resistance to self igniting in response to the heat and compression in the engine. Combustion should progress out from the point of ignition at the spark plug. However, if the octane is insufficient, combustion can begin at other areas, creating a second flame front. This is “pre-ignition”, and the engine makes pinging or knocking sounds as the two flame fronts collide. This is damaging, and modern engines use their electronic management systems to retard the spark timing, as required to stop the knocking. Octane, is critical to the power that can be had from an engine, because higher octane permits higher compression ratios with proper ignition timing. And higher compression ratios with proper ignition timing makes the engine more efficient. Efficiency is the key. The high octane gasoline does not have any greater energy content than the low octane gas. High octane is created with additives.

    One reason a car will run better on a higher than recommended octane is that the original fuel is not up to its advertised rating. It can be a good idea to shop around for a better 87.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Sounds like you got a lemon my friend... mine has had NONE of those problems. I've been trouble free for over 31k miles now (all in only 16 months).

    I run 93 octane as well, since 91 is very hard to find here in VT too. I average over 30 mpg per tank full (about 400 miles) and have nothing but smooth, torquey power from idle to redline.

    I have never driven an Escape, so I can't comment for sure, but I would be very supprised and impressed if the Escape can outhandle a Passat under "normal" conditions.* Physics is physics. You simply cannot compare the winter handling of a FWD car with a AWD car/suv, and I don't think that an Escape fan should be mocking any other car for a recall. ;-)

    * This is no slam on the Escape, we are talking about apples and oranges here. I LIKE the Escape a LOT. :-)
  • siyasiya Posts: 5
    I had a '92 Explorer and almost never used 4wd here in snowy Michigan. The extra initial expense, reduced mileage and higher repairs are not worth it for the very few times 4-wheel is helpful. I had a Taurus too then bought dad's Merc Marquis (rear dr.) But I wanted very much to get back to front drive and was going to get another Taurus just for that. Learned Escape is front wheel dr. To me, it's perfect solution: Explorer "lite" w/o 4-wheel but w front dr.
  • carteecartee Posts: 1
    While we are on fuel, has anybody had the problem that when they start their engine with the A/C on or the vents open they get an intense smell of fuel in the vehicle?
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    Any fuel smell and I repeat, any fuel smell, should have you on the way back to the dealer IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER!LIKE YESTERDAY>
  • aluna1aluna1 Posts: 1
    I guess more information would be helpful. The offer is on an Escape Automatic XLT with four wheel drive. No fancy options. I'm new to this stuff please bare with me. Thanks
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    OK just talked to dealer. Mine ordered Aug 18. Dealer has 7 more on order. The commub=nication he told me is ( and I am parphrasing a bit here)
    Order submitted, (or given, or at) to factory 10-20.
    Out of the other units he has ordered, mine was the only one with this statement, apparently on some type of reoprt dealers receive. Any help from those in the know what this means?
  • When my wife and I ordered ours we actually had the dealer just change a few options on one he had ordered for his own inventory. What he told us is that he submits an order and in a couple of weeks it get subbed to plant which means that the factory has to ensure they have enough materials to build upcoming vehicles. When that information is known the factory then issues a build date and an eta for delivery. We actually ordered on 9/15 car went sub to plant by 9/21 had a build date of 10/23 and will receive the Escape by or before 11/13. Can't wait!!!!
  • i compared a escape to a montero today, well the only advantage that the mitsu has over the escape is rear cargo room and front leg room, everything else the escape come away with the lead, also having a 4" wider stance and a independent suspention compared to the live axle and leaf springs of he montero... the escape also has a 15 HP advantage and weighs almost 500 lbs less, its also 1500$ less
  • Just thought everyone would enjoy the end of this story.

    I signed my order for my new Escape XLT on Wednesday.

    Here is the configuration.

    Escape XLT
    Front wheel drive
    v6/auto
    Moonroof
    16" wheel/tires
    Privacy glass

    Purchase price: $20,500

    No added fees! period.

    When I told the dealer I was not going to give him an extra $85 dollars for him to fill out paperwork, he just knocked another $85 off the purchase price. : )

    So, I ended up paying $281 under invoice.

    I used Edmunds pricing guides and suggestoins and just worked the fax lines here in town to get the best deal I could, then, i didn't dink around trying to get another $50 chipped off.

    The key here was being informed and patient.

    So, good luck.

    The dealer:
    Bo Beuckman Ford, St. Louis.
    Salesman: Ed Cabanas

    They have three full-time sales people that do nothing but Internet sales!

    Don't waste time wih www.greenlight.com or those places. You can do better directly with the dealer. I would have paid $500 more with greenlight!
  • Could it be that the transmission is slipping or not up shifting correctly? Do you use O/D in town? Watch the tac.

    A higher than specified octane fuel will do you no good and in fact could degrade performance. I have used 87 octane in my '97 Taurus LX, equipped with the Duratec engine, since new. It runs very well and gets 19 to 20 MPG in city driving and 24 to 26 MPG on the highway using 87 octane fuel. I have tried 89 octane fuel several times and find no difference in fuel economy or performance.

    Mid-grade, 89 octane fuel, is the highest octane rating achieved by the refining process, 91 octane fuels have additives to increase the rating. These additives could be harmful to your engine, if it is not designed to accept them.
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    There are two ways that fuel can burn in a gasoline engine. In the best way the spark at the plug ignites a stable burn that expands out smoothly and creates the high-pressure gas that pushes the piston down to generate horsepower. Since the stable burn takes time to develop maximum pressure, the spark is fired early and this is called spark advance. In the worst kind of burn, the spark initiates detonation, a shock wave that burns the fuel almost instantly and slams into the piston like a hammer causing the knock or ping sound you hear. Fuel burned as detonation doesn't produce much horsepower. For whatever engine you are using you can select a kind of fuel that burns in a stable way or one that detonates. The big difference is the octane number of the fuel. The lower numbers detonate. A minor difference is the spark advance the engine is set to. Less advance reduces detonation but produces less power .
    Modern engines use high compression ratios to burn fuel more efficiently so the car will get more miles per gallon. Unfortunately, the higher compression requires higher-octane fuel to burn smoothly so the added cost of the fuel and the less fuel needed per mile tend to cancel out. Our government favors the higher efficiency engine because it conserves oil and reduces pollution.
  • big_guybig_guy Posts: 372
    Virtually any car will perform well when a rear tire blows out. It is an entirely different situation when a front tire blows out. I don't know why the article states that a rear tire blow-out would cause more controllability problems. Intuitively, if a front tire blows, the steering wheel is going to jerk to one side as the sudden loss of pressure causes a slower rotation of the wheel that has blown out. In those situations, the driver tends to over correct and create a big problem. Particularly since most drivers casually hold the steering wheel in one hand when they are driving. Let them do the test again with a front tire blow-out and a driver that is not a professional and lets see what the results are. That would hold more interest to me.
  • dyl2dyl2 Posts: 13
    I do use OD in the city. Never bother to turn it off cause I'm doing about a mile and a half a day (I'm very close to work). But out of curiosity, is it better care to turn OD off when driving in city at all times?

    Thanx for your earlier comments.
  • dpdssmdpdssm Posts: 10
    Thanks for response. Apparently, these vehicles are being parcelled out according to a formula, as I said mine was ordered Aug 18 and no firm delivery date yet, and another person posting here ordered their vehicle in July, and no firm date yet.
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    I THINK HE DID THE TEST WITH THE REAR WHEEL BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE ALMOST ALL OF THE BLOWOUTS OCCURED WITH THE FIRESTONE TIRES ON THE EXPLORERS AND CAUSED LOSS OF CONTROL AND SUBSEQUENT DEATHS AND SERIOUS INJURIES.SEVERAL OF THE PICTURES I SAW OF THE ACTUAL ACCIDENTS HAD THE REAR TIRE SEPARATION WRAPPED RIGHT AROUND THE REAR AXLE.
  • tractiontraction Posts: 141
    According to the 'experts' a blow out on a REAR tire is more dangerous than one on the front. That is because you have more control during a front tire blow out because you can control the blown out tire by steering it. A blow out on the rear is sort of like trying to push a wagon backwards.
  • 1jimv11jimv1 Posts: 108
    Ford is like a big machine run by manufacturing specialists and accountants who look at the design of the car as a place to save money on tooling or materials. Changes happen and the results don't sell so they look outside to buy proven winning product ideas they can manufacture efficiently. Tribune is a winning design but Mazda needed Ford to manufacture it inexpensively so it could save Mazda financially. Ford has bought other small automakers with good ideas for the same reason. Just accept that Escape/Tribune = Mazda+Ford. Why suffer the "loss of Japanese quality" or the "waiting for a Ford car to come through is like waiting for paint to dry". That suffering is voluntary. But the 960 Mazda dealers have been suffering financially for a while and it shows in their conservative salesmen. They won't come down yet whereas the 5000 Ford dealers see the usual fierce competition coming fast and the leaders are dealing. Bless our Internet buying methods, it draws the leaders out! Last July Mazda announced it would cull out 40% of its weaker dealers in the next three years. I'll bet the winners start selling "Ford-style" soon. I think Mazda is restructuring its pricing for Invoice selling. Tribute buyers need to keep applying some Internet buying pressure.
  • Have there been any sites yet with a large selection of accessories for the Escape? One thing I'm interested in is some sort of upholstery or padding that will make it comfortable to rest my left arm on the door under the window. It was interesting that a test drive of the Lexus RX300 revealed that they have elbow bone-killing lack of upholstery on that bad boy, too!
  • tronsrtronsr Posts: 46
    Someone at Yahoo Escape Club suggested wearing an elbow pad.
  • CAn anyone provide the web address for the site that tracks weekly production of autos? I have an Escape on order and was tracking production until I experienced a hard drive crash and lost the address. Thanks
  • Just found this on another web site!!!

    Ford Motor Company issued a recall on the Ford Escape which is focused around a fuel line leakage (recall 00S27). The affected models were produced from October 1999 though September 1, 2000.

    The recall is due to a fuel line connector whose o-rings located at the outlet end of the fuel filter may have been damaged during assembly. A Ford assembly plant employee has contacted BlueOvalNews.com warning of a possible design flaw of the fuel line. The problem arises when a new fuel filter is installed. Upon installation, the o-rings can become easily distorted or slip without being visually noticed where upon a slow fuel leak can occur. A Ford document states the leak can cause "fuel odor or, in some cases, fuel leakage."

    If there is wetness or fuel leakage at the fuel filter connector, the fuel supply line must be replaced."
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