Well, I have seen references to "weeping mirrors", and interior noise. Could someone list the perceived problems with the 2001 MDX? Also please describe the problem. For example, I have no idea what "weeping mirrors" means.
I have had my MDX since March 29 and I love it. It is more luxury than I usually buy. No problems so far, but I am interesrted in other folks problems.
The Thud - front suspension "bottoms out" or "rubs". Fixed -- TSB exists. You'd know if you had it as it was a metal-on-metal sound.
Weeping Mirrors - side mirrors leak/drip and spray FOR DAYS after wash. No official fix. Rumored TSB for months with nothing yet from Acura.
Windnoise - depending on the type of car people came out of, some people think there's a lot, some don't. Typically the noise is from the windshield and A-pillar area. Self-fixes exist.
Those are the Top 3. Like mdx4fun sez, you can check the Problems forum on the other site for problems and nits.
To all of you MDX owners who have had your vehicle for at least 6 mths to a year, a simple question. WOULD YOU BUY THIS SAME SUV AGAIN??
If so, why, if not why not. I'm very close to buying but still on the fence. Hate the thought of having to buy at MSRP (anybody buy under MSRP). Dealer here in Albany, NY states the '02 will not be available until Jan '02 (ba humbug I say). Also interested in the Sequoia (yeah, yeah, I know, totally different vehicles, but the tow rating and extra cargo is quite attractive).
#2857 of 2858 2855 - greyskr by theworm Oct 16, 2001 (04:23 pm)
>Those are the Top 3. Like mdx4fun sez, you can check the Problems forum on the > other site for problems and nits.
Thanks for the summary. Sorry to be so ignorant, but what other site? I have searched every where I can think of but have not found any other MDX site.
PS. I haven't noticed any of the three problems you listed. I haven't had any mirror weeping and I probably am not sensitive to the wind noise.
I think he was referring to competing forums - we don't like to give free plugs, but a google.com site would turn up a few. Don't forget the MDX Owner's Club here too (now linked from the Additional Resources box on the left navigation bar). Steve Host Vans, SUVs and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
Acura has issued a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) for the weeping mirror issue (mirrors drip water for prolonged periods after a wash or a rainstorm). That issue, along with "the thud" (for which a TSB was issued a couple of months ago or so), appear to be the most common first-year issues affecting some owners (FWIW I don't have either one, and my vehicle was one of the first few thousand built).
Your dealership should have the TSB within a couple of weeks. It does appear to be a design isue in 2001 MDX's (fixed with 2002). The fix is made under warranty (free) requiring allegedly 1.7 hours of labor.
The aforementioned "competing" system (which is actually a system geared specifically toward MDX enthusiasts) has a copy of the TSB. Won't post a link here in deference to the host.
gohabsgo - You wanted to know if we would buy an MDX again. (post 10/16). For me YES. The vehicle fits our needs just great. We pull a small boat and use a utility trailer. With either attached the MDX still goes with plenty of power. It moves. The little problems often mentioned upon this site have not been a problem. After over 10 months now, every system works like new. The stability, power, and fine craftsmanship overall are what have impressed us daily.
I hope these comments will help you on your choice. Good luck.
I always like to see what people are complaining about for the vehicles I am interested in. People always need to complain about something.
Looking at the MDX, the complaints are pretty minor. With some vehicles, the complaints are about transmission problems, engine problems, and more serious stuff.
With the MDX the major complaints relate to dripping mirrors making my vehicle dirty, wind noise and the most serious problem relating to the thud that has been fixed.
Sounds like Honda has another winner on its hands.
Hopefully, when they bring out the Honda version of the MDX the complaints will just as bad
My wife and I are within a week of purchasing a vehicle. The choices are between the mdx or the buick rendezvous. Maybe the mdx owners in this town hall can help with some sound advice.
We can purchase a fully loaded awd rendezvous at $33k ($400 below invoice) out the door, and finanace it at 0% for 3 years. G.M. finanacing ends at the end of this month.
The mdx is another story, I can buy the base model at sticker ('01) and finance it at 7% over 5 years. Thus my total cost at the end of the financing is close to $45k. Almost a $12k difference between the rdv.
I plan on keeping the vehicle for a long time and passing down to my daughters. So the question is whether all that extra money paid for the mdx is worth it in the long run? If anybody has any insight or opinions I would appreciate in hearing from you. Also, has anybody test driven the rdv before buying the mdx?
I thought your $33,000 figure for the RDV sounded high so I priced out a CXL with Luxury package (leather seats, HUD, heated/memory seats/mirrors, rear audio, OnStar, chrome wheels, etc.) and added every additional option available (sunroof, CD changer, tow package, captains chairs, and 3rd row seat).
I came up with an invoice of $31,941 including destination. Take $400 off invoice (per your deal) and your cost should be $31,541 instead of $33,000.
If you option the RDV so that it is comparable to the base MDX (delete HUD, memory seat/mirror, chrome wheels, CD changer, captain's chairs, tow package), you then have a CXL with Versatility package plus moonroof. Invoice price is now $29,598 including destination. Take away your $400 and now the RDV costs $29,198.
Before financing, that's about $6000 less than the MDX!
Add 0% financing, no waiting lists, and friendly courteous dealers to the deal and it's no contest!
As an owner of an MDX, and having driven the RDV, I might be able to advise. The RDV is a surprisingly good vehicle. The ride quality is generally smooth, the handling is pretty good, the interior noise level is low, the fit & finish is pretty good, the engine is peppy, & the interior is attractive & fairly well screwed together. The MDX, on the other hand is more refined, both in feel, handling. steering, power and fit & finish. The interior is definitely a notch above the RDV. The stereo system is better & the interior space is roomier, especially behind the 3rd seat. If both vehicles are priced in the mid-$30,000 range , my nod would unquestionably go to the MDX. But even if you include the difference in the amount of cash you will shell out over, say, 5 years of paying off the vehicle with an interest rate of 7% vs. 0%, what you may not have considered is resale. I would conjecture that in 61 months from today, the difference in resale between the MDX and the RDV would substantially narrow the interest payment gap. Maybe not completely, but I bet it will be within $2-3000. Also consider the cerebral issue- how much more pleasurable it would be to drive an MDX over the next 60 months.
As a CPA, I decided to check your math. A fair comparison between total cost would have both vehicles financed over the same period of time - 36 or 60 months. By using 60 months for the MDX and 36 for the RDV, you inherently place the MDX at a financial disadvantage. At 60 months, the RDV would probably cost more than 0% to finance. Assuming that the RDV is $33,000 and the base MDX is $35,000, even under your scenario, I calculate a total cost difference of $8,583, not $12,000. If the MDX were financed over 36 months like the RDV, the total cost difference would drop to $5,905. Still nothing to sneeze at.
Other points to consider:
1. The RDV probably runs on regular fuel (i.e., 87 octane) while the MDX requires premium. (Advantage RDV.) 2. The MDX has better offset crash test ratings and bumper test scores. 3. In my humble opinion, the question boils down to whether or not the MDX is worth a $5,905 premium.
For my money, I would say yes. The MDX has more power, more prestige, greater reliability, more space, and greater resale value.
PS: I own a 1988 Honda Accord with 220,000 miles, original clutch, original engine, and original transmission. Somehow, I seriously doubt that the RDV will last that long. The MDX probably will. Good luck with your decision!!!!
Two unbiased, fair opinions of the MDX and RDV! Thank you.
Skips2, although I'm not a CPA, I'm going to try my hand at math.
First of all, let's compare apples to apples.
With comparable equipment, the RDV sells for $29,500 (not $33,000) and the MDX for $35,000. Add 8% sales tax and the bill becomes $31,800 and $37,800 respectively.
Financed for 60 months at 6.19%, the MDX will cost $734/mo. and total $44,050.
Finaced for 60 months at 4.9% (GMAC offer), the RDV will cost $598/mo. and total $35,920.
All things being equal, over 60 months, the Acura MDX costs $136/month more and $8130 total more.
If you finance the RDV over 48 months, you get 2.9% (GMAC), which equals $702/mo. and total payments of $33,720. That's more than $10,000 less than the MDX!
BTW, I've owned four Honda's over the years (I currently own a '93 Accord EX). Three of them (including the '93) were good ones, and one of them was nothing but trouble. Given Buick's very good reputation for reliability and resale value, the RDV is likely to last every bit as long as the MDX and remain desireable for years to come.
Not to change the subject but, doesn't the interior of the MDX make you feel like you're driving an Accord? I have driven the MDX and the 3.2 TL, and while they are both fine autos, they didn't feel particularly luxurious or stirring. They felt more like...Honda's.
While I think the MDX is worth the difference for many of the reasons cited, I can understand 0% financing and deep discounts making other vehicles very attractive. Especially since the MDX still goes for MSRP, dealers aren't cutting any breaks yet, and then you have to factor in the wait for one.
For a second I was wondering about Toyota's ads for 0% financing but then realized it was just for the Corolla, Tundra, and 4Runner. A Highlander for a good discount + 0% would look really good to a lot of people.
I have 3 infants and will need room for 3 car seats. My local dealer never seems to have a MDX model on the lot for me to check out. Can someone please let me know if this is possible? Thanks!
If you are right about the RDV costing $29,500 and rdl40's figure of $33,000 is wrong then that changes the financial dynamics considerably. Your quote results is an initial cost differnce of $3,500. In general I agree with your calculations,, except if you finance the RDV over 48 months then you should calculate the cost of financing the MDX over 48 months. At 6.19% over 48 months, the MDX has a total cost of $42,769, which is approximately $9,050 more than the RDV. Still it's a significant difference. I don't have the confidence that the RDV will be as reliable as the MDX; however, one could purchase an extended warranty for $1200 to $1400 for the RDV and still be head of the game. I personally don't like the RDV, but since its on rdl40's short list, my opinion would be to buy the RDV and invest the difference. I agree with your observation, Acura 's interior materials are a notch below what I would expect from a luxury brand.
Consumer Reports surveys holds that Honda/Acura reliability is higher than Buick reliability. CR ratings are more accurate than JD Power.
However, Buick reliability is stated as better than GM reliability. And first-year MDX reliability (now becoming moot since the second year starts any week soon) is probably going to be lower than subsequent years (e.g. weeping mirrors, noise, the thud).
I've seen two posts on another system claiming that the owner was able to fit three car seats side-by-side in the second row. I think it'll depend on the widths of the car seats; some are wider than others.
So while it's possible, I'd recommend pinning the darn dealer down to access their precious demo, and/or investigating alternatives.
HERES MY 2 CENTS. i think for the money its in your best interest to by the buick. UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD THE EXTRA 10 TO 12 GRAND. THE BUICK SUV WILL RUN YOU ABOUT 31,000. LOADED. LIKE OTHER PEOPLE have noted on this board and i agree the resale after 5 yrs favors the acura.reliability for the buick i would bet will be average AT BEST.IF money will be a factor i say buy the buick suv. after 3 years if you find it not up to your standards sell it.I WILL TELL YOU FIRST HAND THE MDX IS A AWESOME SUV. goodluck with your choice. brian 125
- Screen spline or similar (clear plumbing line) tucked into the gap around the windshield seal (exterior).
- Foam packed into the A-pillar gaps under the hood.
Both sound ugly, but neither is visible. To be honest, I haven't done either in the 9 months we've had the truck, but next trip to Home Depot I'm going to give it a try.
The amount of windnoise doesn't strike me as unacceptable -- but I'm curious to see what kind of difference 5 bucks of material will make.
I am interested in a base MDX for purchase right now and I am wondering if anyone is aware of any dealers anywhere in the continental U.S. that would have current availability. I am also interested to know, per previous posts that appear to have gone without response as to when the '02 models will be expected to hit selling dealerships.
The 2002 Acura MDX enters production later this week. Depending on were you are located in the Country, you should expect to see the first ones arrive to their owners by the end of the first week in November.
According to the release, "the MDX benefits from significant quality upgrades as well as the addition of 2nd row ISOFIX (LATCH) and rear intermittent wipers.
The 2002 MDX is officially in production at this time.
I have not been on this site for a long while so I will apologize in advance if this was recently discussed. A while back there was talk that the roof rack that came with the touring package was not the best. I have the basic MDX and would now like to add a roof rack. Are there any better roof racks on the market that would fit on my MDX? Also if you do not have the towing package can you attach a small rental u-haul to the back? Thank you all in advance for any help with these questions. In answer to the infant car seat question, William is right it does depend on the width of the seats. I can fit three child seats in my second row. They are not infant seats but a combo of toddler and booster seats.
Recently, I read a review of the 2001 MDX at Edmunds that stated it was not satisfying to drive despite having 240 horses. I have test driven the Nissan Pathfinder, which also has 240 horses, and found that it is really fun to drive. It reminds me of my 2000 Maxima, which is a blast. I'm not sure how Nissan does it, but it's 6 cylinder engine screams. Unfortunately, I have never test driven an MDX because they are never on the lot. Is the MDX a dud to drive or is it fun. It's 0 to 60 miles per hour time is comparable to the Nissan Pathfinder (i.e., the mid 8.5 second time). Also, I read that the 2003 MDX will have a larger engine. Is it worth the wait? For 2 years I have heard rumors that the Acura RL would have a 8 cylinder engine, which never materialized. So, I'm not too sure how much credence to place in rumors of a larger engine for the MDX. Thanks for any thoughts.
Yes Virginia, there is fun in the MDX. The MDX is a very quick and surprisingly good handling vehicle. I have driven the Pathfinder and concur it is pretty good, but nowhere near as refined and certainly much less roomy than the MDX. Interestingly, because the MDX is so refined and quiet at speed, it SEEMS as though it is not as quick as some other SUVs. Road and engine noise in other vehicles make them seem faster- but watch your speedometer in the MDX- the speed very quickly builds up, and keeps going. I have cruised regularly at 95 to 100 mph. Handling borders on almost amazing for an SUV. The only SUV out there that can corner better than an MDX is the BMW X5. The MDX has much better ride quality though. The Pathfinder is not in the MDX's league.
I am in the same situation. I have a base MDX and want to add a non-factory roof rack. I have done some research, and there are 2 options available.
Option 1 - Yakima makes Q-towers that clip on the roof in the door openings. This enables you to use their cross bars. I am not satisfied with this option since this positions the rack too far forward (due to the curve in the MDX's rear door frame). This will place the front cross bar directly above the sunroof which will result in loss of some utility, and will likely create lots of wind noise.
Option 2 - Yakima sells tracks that can be permanently attached to the roof of the MDX with "plusnut" hardware. This will allow the use of Yakima's railrider towers and crossbars. I like this solution. The only problem is that it requires the roof to be drilled to install the tracks. Although I have successfuly done this type of installation on my previous SUV (Pathfinder), I am a little hesitant about doing this on the MDX. I am trying to obtain a diagram of the MDX roof underneath, with the headliner removed. This should show me any wiring that I will need to avoid when drilling.
Regarding your towing question, you will need a trailer hitch in order to safely tow any kind of trailer with your MDX. The best deal I found was $159 (installed) for the MDX trailer hitch at U-Haul. Of course, if you plan to tow heavier loads, you should probably get the full towing package (transmission cooler, etc.) to avoid any damage to your MDX.
There have been plenty of rumors of a V8 engine for the '03 MDX, RL and NSX. Honda has been extremely successful with it's V6 power plant and does not need the bigger engine. Honda would be better off tweaking the V6 engine and improving the air intake system to squeeze a few more horses out of it (i.e. the Type S on the TL,CL and RSX) rather than invest the capital to produce a new V8 line in these uncertain times. I think the '03 MDX will receive a Hp increase from an improved V6, but no V8 in the near future.
thanks for the info. on the TSB on the "weeping mirrors" on my MDX. Those things never seem to dry out. Some slight scratches below mirror where possible mineral deposit build up. My MDX produces terribly bad odor (outside air, recirculate, windows open, windows closed, etc.) while downshifting to climb grade. At 8000 miles, still almost bad enough to stop car and ventilate it. Any others with similar problem? Also, anyone noticed a significant "whine" to the transmission(I guess) while at low speed, turning or backing? A good vehicle, but having read only a few messages, a bit noisy at highway speed.
whats unnder the hood of the mdx is plenty of power how much faster do you need to go.i think folks today love spending there money on gas and these big suv's. well not for me.2003/4 mdx will have abigger motor something in line with the bmw x5.a small bird also told me the shape may change slightly 03/04.
If the MDX will get a larger displacement V6 engine (producing more horse power)for 2003, is it worth waiting for instead of purchasing a 2002 MDX? What's the consensus? Thanks.
skips2: I don't think the engine displacement is the only thing to consider in choosing an '02 vs. '03 MDX. With the debut of the new Passport in '03 (based on the MDX/Odyssey platform), price versus luxury will be part of the equation as well. Individual needs are very subjective and the current MDX offers "entry level luxury" to those who desire it, but leaves those who are short of the $35K+ to shop elsewhere. The new Honda Passport (assuming they keep the same name) will offer a less luxurious version in an LX (maybe starting in the mid $20's) and something close to the base MDX in an EX ($30K+). The possible higher output V6 engine in the '03 MDX will differentiate the two models.
Personally, I think it's worth the wait for the '03 model just b/c of the rumored additional length. There has been talk of an additional eight inches to the Honda version which I'm assuming will also be added to the MDX. The potential of increased third row leg room and trunk space is enough to delay my purchase. However, this might not be on your list of priorities.
Thanks for the insightful feedback. I had not heard of the possible additional length for the 2003 MDX. The additional horse power for the 2003 MDX alone would probably be worth the wait. The additional length, in my opinon, gives the 2003 MDX a clear advantage. Not to mention, it would allow me time to save an even larger down payment. Thanks.
02 mdx are you still in pursuit for a 2000 infinity I30. MY DAD is looking to sell his grey I30T 2000. ONLY HAS 4000 MILES GARAGED KEPT only drove to my sisters in new jersey on a nice days. showroom condition not a mark on it. heres my email bdarl21@aol.com you wont be disappointed.
The US plant located in Lincoln, Alabama will not be producing the MDX/Passport. The Alabama plant will only be producing the Honda Odyssey which will free up about 80,000 units in the Canadian plant in Ontario. My guess is that the Ontario plant will produce about 50k MDXs and 70k Passports for 2003.
I am anxious to see what Honda has in store for the new SUV. The only details I have read is possible extended version 7-8 inches more than the MDX. My dealer has no idea when this car will be launched, however with increased supply on MDX and a re freshened look (2003) the MDX maybe the better deal espically a couple grand off sticker.
Hi, I have had my MDX about a year now and really love it! Everything is great with 3 exceptions:
1) had front right noise described on this forum (I was able to get that one fixed)
2) terrible gas mileage!
3) paint on rear bumper is chipping and peeling
Has anyone else experienced disappointments with gas mileage and the paint peeling thing? I have the gold/sandstone color MDX and if I get the slightest nick on the bumper, the paint starts chipping and peeling. I have seen three other sandstone MDX's around town and ALL have had the chipping paint problem!! This is very frustrating and if its a common phenomenon, then I want Acura to address it, not hand me a can of touch up paint like they did when I took it in recently.
My experience with the MDX has been excellent. My gas mileage has consistently been averaging about 18.1 mpg according to my trip computer. That number continues to impress me for a large SUV weighing in excess of 4300 pounds. Just to compare, my daughter has a Nissan X-Terra and has never gotten better than 16 mpg, and she does much more highway driving than I do. You might have a heavier foot than most, because I have chatted with other MDX owners, and most find the mileage numbers impressive. In reference to your paint peeling- I have a Mahogany color MDX and I have scratched the rear bumper a number of times (very Lightly) but I haven't had any paint peel off. Good Luck
It looks like Acura/Honda will be introducing a second power train to the MDX lineup for 2003. The '02 engine (which will have a few mods from the '01 engine) will be the base 3.5L engine and in '03 a second engine will be available. Probably a Type S V6 engine with increased hp like the TL, CL & RSX setup.
The all new Honda Passport will be getting an engine independent of the MDX's, but the output will be similar. M/P is scheduled for 04/02, so we might get lucky and see some at dealers by June/July.
Many folks have suggested that Honda is shooting itself in the foot by introducing the new Passport, especially with the rumored increase in length. More than likely (if cost reduction is important), the MDX will also get the additional length (same production line) and with a Type S engine and more luxury than the Honda, I think it will appeal to even more people. The Passport is offering people a trimmed version of the MDX. Unfortunately, I think both the MDX and Passport will be EXTREMELY popular and selling for MSRP for quite some time, similiar to the Odyssey.
how the Passport/MDX thing turns out. Perhaps Honda is looking at the success of the RX300/Highlander in their strategy?
These two SUV's are virtually the same (especially the interiors) except the Highlander is a few inches longer (like the Passport will be), a couple options short, and a few thousand dollars less.
The big difference is that the RX300 appeals to consumers who want to own a Lexus because it makes them feel special. It is an emotional decision, not a logical one.
IMO, this distinction doesn't apply as strongly with Acura/Honda because, although Acura is Honda's luxury brand, it doesn't carry the same level of prestige as Lexus. For this reason, I'm not sure if the neighbors will care if you buy an MDX or a Passport. If this is true, the decision to buy the Acura vs. Honda will be solely based on feature content and value.
I suspect that more than a few MDX owners would have bought a $28,000 Honda "MDX" instead if it had been available.
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I have had my MDX since March 29 and I love it. It is more luxury than I usually buy. No problems so far, but I am interesrted in other folks problems.
Regards, Jim
The Thud - front suspension "bottoms out" or "rubs". Fixed -- TSB exists. You'd know if you had it as it was a metal-on-metal sound.
Weeping Mirrors - side mirrors leak/drip and spray FOR DAYS after wash. No official fix. Rumored TSB for months with nothing yet from Acura.
Windnoise - depending on the type of car people came out of, some people think there's a lot, some don't. Typically the noise is from the windshield and A-pillar area. Self-fixes exist.
Those are the Top 3. Like mdx4fun sez, you can check the Problems forum on the other site for problems and nits.
If so, why, if not why not. I'm very close to buying but still on the fence. Hate the thought of having to buy at MSRP (anybody buy under MSRP). Dealer here in Albany, NY states the '02 will not be available until Jan '02 (ba humbug I say). Also interested in the Sequoia (yeah, yeah, I know, totally different vehicles, but the tow rating and extra cargo is quite attractive).
Thanks in advance for your responses.
>Those are the Top 3. Like mdx4fun sez, you can check the Problems forum on the > other site for problems and nits.
Thanks for the summary. Sorry to be so ignorant, but what other site? I have searched every where I can think of but have not found any other MDX site.
PS. I haven't noticed any of the three problems you listed. I haven't had any mirror weeping and I probably am not sensitive to the wind noise.
Regards, Jim
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Your dealership should have the TSB within a couple of weeks. It does appear to be a design isue in 2001 MDX's (fixed with 2002). The fix is made under warranty (free) requiring allegedly 1.7 hours of labor.
The aforementioned "competing" system (which is actually a system geared specifically toward MDX enthusiasts) has a copy of the TSB. Won't post a link here in deference to the host.
I hope these comments will help you on your choice. Good luck.
Looking at the MDX, the complaints are pretty minor. With some vehicles, the complaints are about transmission problems, engine problems, and more serious stuff.
With the MDX the major complaints relate to dripping mirrors making my vehicle dirty, wind noise and the most serious problem relating to the thud that has been fixed.
Sounds like Honda has another winner on its hands.
Hopefully, when they bring out the Honda version of the MDX the complaints will just as bad
We can purchase a fully loaded awd rendezvous at $33k ($400 below invoice) out the door, and finanace it at 0% for 3 years. G.M. finanacing ends at the end of this month.
The mdx is another story, I can buy the base model at sticker ('01) and finance it at 7% over 5 years.
Thus my total cost at the end of the financing is close to $45k. Almost a $12k difference between the rdv.
I plan on keeping the vehicle for a long time and passing down to my daughters.
So the question is whether all that extra money paid for the mdx is worth it in the long run?
If anybody has any insight or opinions I would appreciate in hearing from you.
Also, has anybody test driven the rdv before buying the mdx?
$12,000 is a steep premium. I am considering the Mercury Mountaineer.
I know not the same quality as the MDX however with 0% finance no hassle to get one its a compelling choice.
I need the third row seats. It would be my first american car in 15 years.
Inlight of the economy and stock market I feel it is a wise choice to not overspend.
In addition I have had my share of quality issues with Toyotas and Mercedes. No auto is perfect.
Just my 2 cents
I thought your $33,000 figure for the RDV sounded high so I priced out a CXL with Luxury package (leather seats, HUD, heated/memory seats/mirrors, rear audio, OnStar, chrome wheels, etc.) and added every additional option available (sunroof, CD changer, tow package, captains chairs, and 3rd row seat).
I came up with an invoice of $31,941 including destination. Take $400 off invoice (per your deal) and your cost should be $31,541 instead of $33,000.
If you option the RDV so that it is comparable to the base MDX (delete HUD, memory seat/mirror, chrome wheels, CD changer, captain's chairs, tow package), you then have a CXL with Versatility package plus moonroof. Invoice price is now $29,598 including destination. Take away your $400 and now the RDV costs $29,198.
Before financing, that's about $6000 less than the MDX!
Add 0% financing, no waiting lists, and friendly courteous dealers to the deal and it's no contest!
Other points to consider:
1. The RDV probably runs on regular fuel (i.e., 87 octane) while the MDX requires premium. (Advantage RDV.)
2. The MDX has better offset crash test ratings and bumper test scores.
3. In my humble opinion, the question boils down to whether or not the MDX is worth a $5,905 premium.
For my money, I would say yes. The MDX has more power, more prestige, greater reliability, more space, and greater resale value.
PS: I own a 1988 Honda Accord with 220,000 miles, original clutch, original engine, and original transmission. Somehow, I seriously doubt that the RDV will last that long. The MDX probably will.
Good luck with your decision!!!!
Skips2, although I'm not a CPA, I'm going to try my hand at math.
First of all, let's compare apples to apples.
With comparable equipment, the RDV sells for $29,500 (not $33,000) and the MDX for $35,000. Add 8% sales tax and the bill becomes $31,800 and $37,800 respectively.
Financed for 60 months at 6.19%, the MDX will cost $734/mo. and total $44,050.
Finaced for 60 months at 4.9% (GMAC offer), the RDV will cost $598/mo. and total $35,920.
All things being equal, over 60 months, the Acura MDX costs $136/month more and $8130 total more.
If you finance the RDV over 48 months, you get 2.9% (GMAC), which equals $702/mo. and total payments of $33,720. That's more than $10,000 less than the MDX!
BTW, I've owned four Honda's over the years (I currently own a '93 Accord EX). Three of them (including the '93) were good ones, and one of them was nothing but trouble. Given Buick's very good reputation for reliability and resale value, the RDV is likely to last every bit as long as the MDX and remain desireable for years to come.
Not to change the subject but, doesn't the interior of the MDX make you feel like you're driving an Accord? I have driven the MDX and the 3.2 TL, and while they are both fine autos, they didn't feel particularly luxurious or stirring. They felt more like...Honda's.
For a second I was wondering about Toyota's ads for 0% financing but then realized it was just for the Corolla, Tundra, and 4Runner. A Highlander for a good discount + 0% would look really good to a lot of people.
If you are right about the RDV costing $29,500 and rdl40's figure of $33,000 is wrong then that changes the financial dynamics considerably. Your quote results is an initial cost differnce of $3,500. In general I agree with your calculations,, except if you finance the RDV over 48 months then you should calculate the cost of financing the MDX over 48 months. At 6.19% over 48 months, the MDX has a total cost of $42,769, which is approximately $9,050 more than the RDV. Still it's a significant difference. I don't have the confidence that the RDV will be as reliable as the MDX; however, one could purchase an extended warranty for $1200 to $1400 for the RDV and still be head of the game. I personally don't like the RDV, but since its on rdl40's short list, my opinion would be to buy the RDV and invest the difference. I agree with your observation, Acura 's interior materials are a notch below what I would expect from a luxury brand.
History and JD Power surveys support the assertion that Buick has fine quality (as good or better than Honda).
However, Buick reliability is stated as better than GM reliability. And first-year MDX reliability (now becoming moot since the second year starts any week soon) is probably going to be lower than subsequent years (e.g. weeping mirrors, noise, the thud).
So while it's possible, I'd recommend pinning the darn dealer down to access their precious demo, and/or investigating alternatives.
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would those be?
- Foam packed into the A-pillar gaps under the hood.
Both sound ugly, but neither is visible. To be honest, I haven't done either in the 9 months we've had the truck, but next trip to Home Depot I'm going to give it a try.
The amount of windnoise doesn't strike me as unacceptable -- but I'm curious to see what kind of difference 5 bucks of material will make.
Thanks.
Denis
The 2002 Acura MDX enters production later this week. Depending on were you are located in the Country, you should expect to see the first ones arrive to their owners by the end of the first week in November.
Jamie S.
Price increases are less than 1%.
2002 Acura MDX Pricing is as follows:
Base: $35,180
Base with Navi.: $37,180
Touring: $37,780
Touring with Navi.: $39,780
All pricing includes $480 Destination Charge.
According to the release, "the MDX benefits from significant quality upgrades as well as the addition of 2nd row ISOFIX (LATCH) and rear intermittent wipers.
The 2002 MDX is officially in production at this time.
Thought you'd all like to know...
Jamie S.
I am in the same situation. I have a base MDX and want to add a non-factory roof rack. I have done some research, and there are 2 options available.
Option 1 - Yakima makes Q-towers that clip on the roof in the door openings. This enables you to use their cross bars. I am not satisfied with this option since this positions the rack too far forward (due to the curve in the MDX's rear door frame). This will place the front cross bar directly above the sunroof which will result in loss of some utility, and will likely create lots of wind noise.
Option 2 - Yakima sells tracks that can be permanently attached to the roof of the MDX with "plusnut" hardware. This will allow the use of Yakima's railrider towers and crossbars. I like this solution. The only problem is that it requires the roof to be drilled to install the tracks. Although I have successfuly done this type of installation on my previous SUV (Pathfinder), I am a little hesitant about doing this on the MDX. I am trying to obtain a diagram of the MDX roof underneath, with the headliner removed. This should show me any wiring that I will need to avoid when drilling.
Regarding your towing question, you will need a trailer hitch in order to safely tow any kind of trailer with your MDX. The best deal I found was $159 (installed) for the MDX trailer hitch at U-Haul. Of course, if you plan to tow heavier loads, you should probably get the full towing package (transmission cooler, etc.) to avoid any damage to your MDX.
Good luck.
to dry out. Some slight scratches below mirror where possible mineral deposit build up.
My MDX produces terribly bad odor (outside air, recirculate, windows open, windows closed, etc.) while downshifting to climb grade. At 8000 miles, still almost bad enough to stop car
and ventilate it. Any others with similar problem? Also, anyone noticed a significant "whine"
to the transmission(I guess) while at low speed, turning or backing? A good vehicle, but
having read only a few messages, a bit noisy at highway speed.
Figure the Honda version will get the 3.5 next year.
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Personally, I think it's worth the wait for the '03 model just b/c of the rumored additional length. There has been talk of an additional eight inches to the Honda version which I'm assuming will also be added to the MDX. The potential of increased third row leg room and trunk space is enough to delay my purchase. However, this might not be on your list of priorities.
Thanks for the insightful feedback. I had not heard of the possible additional length for the 2003 MDX. The additional horse power for the 2003 MDX alone would probably be worth the wait. The additional length, in my opinon, gives the 2003 MDX a clear advantage. Not to mention, it would allow me time to save an even larger down payment. Thanks.
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models of the MDX?
1) had front right noise described on this forum (I was able to get that one fixed)
2) terrible gas mileage!
3) paint on rear bumper is chipping and peeling
Has anyone else experienced disappointments with gas mileage and the paint peeling thing? I have the gold/sandstone color MDX and if I get the slightest nick on the bumper, the paint starts chipping and peeling. I have seen three other sandstone MDX's around town and ALL have had the chipping paint problem!! This is very frustrating and if its a common phenomenon, then I want Acura to address it, not hand me a can of touch up paint like they did when I took it in recently.
Responses appreciated!
Melissa
The all new Honda Passport will be getting an engine independent of the MDX's, but the output will be similar. M/P is scheduled for 04/02, so we might get lucky and see some at dealers by June/July.
Many folks have suggested that Honda is shooting itself in the foot by introducing the new Passport, especially with the rumored increase in length. More than likely (if cost reduction is important), the MDX will also get the additional length (same production line) and with a Type S engine and more luxury than the Honda, I think it will appeal to even more people. The Passport is offering people a trimmed version of the MDX. Unfortunately, I think both the MDX and Passport will be EXTREMELY popular and selling for MSRP for quite some time, similiar to the Odyssey.
These two SUV's are virtually the same (especially the interiors) except the Highlander is a few inches longer (like the Passport will be), a couple options short, and a few thousand dollars less.
The big difference is that the RX300 appeals to consumers who want to own a Lexus because it makes them feel special. It is an emotional decision, not a logical one.
IMO, this distinction doesn't apply as strongly with Acura/Honda because, although Acura is Honda's luxury brand, it doesn't carry the same level of prestige as Lexus. For this reason, I'm not sure if the neighbors will care if you buy an MDX or a Passport. If this is true, the decision to buy the Acura vs. Honda will be solely based on feature content and value.
I suspect that more than a few MDX owners would have bought a $28,000 Honda "MDX" instead if it had been available.