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Acura MDX (pre-2007)

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  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The MDX's driver's seat is heated both on the seat bottom and the seatback.

    The passenger's seat is only heated on the passenger seat bottom. The passenger's seatback is not heated. Acura claims this is because of a sensor they have to control side airbag inflation on the passenger side (it won't fire if it determines there is no one in the seat, or if something small -- e.g. a child -- is too close to the side airbag).
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    ...you can't go wrong, from an ethical standpoint.

    Some of the folks in "I don't like SUVs, why do you?" might disagree with that.

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  • jamiestockmanjamiestockman Member Posts: 35
    There are seven sensors in the passenger side seatback. They interpret whether or not a child is mistakenly seated in the front passenger seat, or, perhaps, if an adult is seated there, but they are slouching. Its just meant to prevent injuries in the event of an accident.

    Unfortunately, this neat bit of technology keeps them from being able to being able to place the thermal system close to the sensors.

    Believe it or not, Acura is being very silent about any changes that might be occurring for 2003. If the year transitions as it normally does, dealers won't be specifying any 2003 MDX's until August (with October production anticipated).

    Hope the info. helps...

    Jamie S.
  • sailing216sailing216 Member Posts: 98
    Just like Honda isn't releasing pricing of it's Pilot vehicle until a day before it sells. I really love this marketing, lol, not knowing how much you are spending, what's in the truck, and how it functions, just show up with over 30k in your pocket and you better be able to cough up a few extra K's in case Honda/Acura bumped up the price overnight, or the dealer welched on selling at MSRP.
    Not knowing if the wait is going to be worth it, may drive people to buy elsewhere. Great if you're the next on the list for the Acura/Honda, bad marketing and lost business for Acura/Honda. The unknown is not a good thing IMO when making such a large purchase, I think some call it gambling. Either way I don't like it.
  • mhenderson1mhenderson1 Member Posts: 164
    For one there are too many other SUV's coming in the market this year including (Lexus, VW, Buick (rebadged Bravada), Toyota, Kia (which has not been spoken of), Mercury and so on. I don't know if Honda is taking the attitude of catching as many fish as they can before the next wave, but if they decide to market the Pilot like they did the MDX, you are going to find many consumers looking elsewhere. The party is just getting started!!!
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    This isn't really a buying service? I suggest that if you are interested in dealer feedback, you put a tiny bit of effort and pick up the yellow pages. You can also try a service likes carsdirect.com?

    I highly doubt you will get a dealer to email you at all from here, let alone beating MSRP.
  • ocbuyerocbuyer Member Posts: 7
    Honda just published the Pilot specs.It says there that Honda Pilot has Traction Control System. I am not sure if MDX has also a Traction Control System. I did look at MDX specs but I cannot find this. Is this this the one that Consumer Report wish that MDX should have to address its poor emergency handling rating?
    Appreciate responses from whoever knows about this feature.

    Separate subject: For those waiting to buy at MSRP without the wait, the end is near. Availabity is starting to improve (at least here in Southern Cal). I think once the Pilot is out things will significantly change. Comparing the spec between the Pilot EX and MDX, it is becoming harder now to justify the $6k price diff.
  • mark189mark189 Member Posts: 107
    The Odyssey has TSC. If it's the same system, it applies break to either front wheel if there's slipping. It's supposed to prevent sideways skids.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The MDX doesn't have a TCS. I am not sure if that pilot page with the TCS listed on it is entirely accurate? None of the reviews mention this system, the link from the honda site doesn't mention it. I think that news site isn't necessarily a "honda" site, it says it is maintained by Wieck media services.

    Also the way VTM works, as a pro-active system, applying power when slippage occurs, doesn't lend itself to a brake limiting system.
  • msh8448msh8448 Member Posts: 23
    I recently took delivery of a 2002 Redrock Pearl MDX. My wife and I love the car (she keeps looking for excuses to take it for a drive), but I've noticed one odd little "problem" with the second row seat surface. The surface has little stringy fibers poking out of the seat perforations. This is only occurring on the second row passenger side seat bottom (the drivers side has none). Since the second row bench seat is two separate components, I'm wondering if my passenger side seat is defective in some way, or is this just a normal phenomenon that will disappear after normal usage. Has anybody else seen this?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    You have the "hairy seats" problem. It goes away, as some excess fibers are worn away by people sitting on them.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I highly doubt if the Odyssey has a true traction control system.

    I've seen some sites that try to equate VTM-4 with TCS. Not technically correct, but they try it anyway.
  • rms41rms41 Member Posts: 80
    Go here:

    http://www.hondanews.com/forms/events/index.html?kwx=pilot

    and click on "Specifications". TCS is standard on both the EX and LX.

    This is a Honda site but the data is stored on Wieck.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I saw that one. I am not sure if that is accurate. Every other piece of web information does not mention this system? Maybe it is correct? I think some other confirmation is required in order to say either way?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    That link is the ONLY place that says the Pilot has a traction control system.
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    I'm with those who are going to wait and see. It would be another differentiation between the MDX and Pilot, however, if the TCS comes from the Ody, it would have to be reengineered since the Ody is 2wd.

    As a comparison, I believe the TCS system on the Toyota Highlander is not available if one chooses the limited slip option, it's either, not both. I wonder if the VTM system would have some difficulty in using a traction system. The TCS is also not standard on the Highlander ($600 option), even on the top model.

    I'm also waiting to see how different the 2003 MDX is going to be. Larger engine, good, but what if they change to a permanent 4wd option? That would be something (maybe a true rear differential instead of the clutch pack).
  • mark189mark189 Member Posts: 107
    The Odyssey's system only works on the front wheels, so if that's what you mean by not being a true system then you are correct.

    It does brake the wheels, however, so I know it's there. I only experienced it once, going up a steep gravel hill to a cabin. It was a real pain.

    On the other hand, Odyssey owners on Edmunds have praised it in snow.
  • zgt88zgt88 Member Posts: 5
    Is the price for MDX coming down anytime soon?
    We've been waiting but seems like the TMV is going up a bit. Since the Honda is coming out with the Pilot, the production for MDX is going to be less, is this what Honda wanted so they can keep up with the MSRP+ price for MDX? After all we still like the MDX. Anyone has any comments on future price drops.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The price of an Acuracare Extended Warranty is negotiable. I haven't bought one myself, but I know others have paid around that much, but some other may have paid a couple of hundred dollars less for a 7/100 extended warranty.

    You can call around to the finance managers of Acura dealerships in your area, tell them you're shopping for the best deal, and get a price.
  • spudgalspudgal Member Posts: 35
    the price would come down, but I don't think it's going to happen. Just test drove one, then "chatted" with the dealer. Asking MSRP+ $1,000 - lease figures were laughable. Even if Acura were to drop the price, demand would counteract it.

    Oh, btw sbcooke, I think you'll find the fuel light is under the "E" on the gas gauge. It's hard to see, but I think it's there. That's where it is on the TL, and I have about 2 gallons left when it comes on. Might be set to a higher reserve for the MDX.
  • hengheng Member Posts: 411
    your experience with the brake assisted traction control. You described it as a pain going up a gravel hill. Could you give us some specifics.
  • md2002md2002 Member Posts: 142
    I have just finished all the posts and found everything very useful so far. I only have (2) dealers for Acura within 100 miles of me. Both seem to have 10-14 MDX's on the lot via their web sites. One has various models and lists the MSRP (no biggie) the other has "please call for price" for everyone. Give me a break. Is that so they do get slammed by Acura.

    I had originally looked at the MDX when it first came out, but with it being new, and price going north I decided to wait. Now I am looking again and maybe will shoot for a lefover 2002 in December. I never care much about the sell price, I aim at the trade allowance. After all they eat into the profit to offer a better trade allowance (usually). Besides I don't need a new SUV, I just want something a little more safer and comfortable.

    Does anyone know when Acura will get with the program and offer the tan leather in more than 2 colors. I don't care for the color options you have to choose. And also power lumbar for a vehicle that costs $35k or more is a must.
  • bengelkingbengelking Member Posts: 59
    Don't believe the dealer website inventory posts. They are all wrong. I've contacted several dealers in the Chicago area that "claimed" to have inventory on MDX's on their respective websites. None of them were accurate. Every dealer is taking orders for August delivery.

    I put down a deposit with my local dealer also for August delivery. I'm hoping by then that the 2003 upgrades will be out and maybe postpone delivery until October for a 2003.

    Of course, my Pilot will be at the dealer in two weeks so we'll have something to compare.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Yes, I've seen some Acura dealerships post one of each color up as their MDX inventory. Just as a way to get someone in to talk about it, without actually having the inventory.

    (Usual caveat ... there are a lot of good Acura dealerships out there ... but there are a lot of bad Acura dealerships out there.)
  • md2002md2002 Member Posts: 142
    I agree that the dealers may be trying to bait people to the dealership. One dealer has pricing that resembles MSRP, the other has the "call for pricing" gimmic going. However neither of the following: 1) Photos of actual MDX's, 2) greater detail as to what the options are. Using stock photos is lame since they are not the real car.

    I realize inventory moves quick, but common you can take a digi pic and post it. After all they have to keep the web sit accurate :() or so one would think. I was considering an '02 MDX in say December if the '03 has major changes like the engine horsepower dealers will have a hard time telling someone to pay full on an '02 (acura incentive or not) if they can get an '03.

    One last thought. I know this is a hot vehicle, I have spotted a few lately (or should I say I have been looking for them lately) I will pay MSRP (minus a fair trade in) but I always remember how a dealer treats me. If they are rude, they can sell it to someone else. I can sell my trade, carpool with the wife and do an out of state deal. What do I care. I can get service at the Honda dealer (great people) and warranty at the Acura one.

    So vote with your wallet and not your ego. Rude dealer = No sale. Acura is a bit dense but they can't be that thick.
  • fndlyfmrflyrfndlyfmrflyr Member Posts: 668
    Have 2002 MDX. Bought at sticker with little wait.

    Fuel low light is lower left side of right instrument pod and comes on with just over three gallons left (one mark above red). MPG for fuel used so far computation could be more accurate (usually reads better than one actually gets).

    Engine very tight on delivery. Getting better with miles (now 2500). Any hill (or it feels like a stiff head wind) causes torque converter to unlock. Frequent lock and unlock during freeway driving with occasional downshift just to maintain speed (on cruise control). Larger '03 engine should help.

    Driver's seat back isn't upright enough. Still quite comfortable though. Quieter than expected though there is still plenty of wind and road noise at high speeds.

    Owner's manual and what is written on engine differ on what viscosity oil to use. Engine oil filler cap says 5W-30 and owner's manual says (and service manual) say 5W-20. Acura web site says 5W-30 and so did return call from Acura. Dealers seem to use either one, depending on dealer called.

    Rattles in driver's door and center dash. Parking brake doesn't hold well. Seems like traction control works well enough. MPG about 14 around town and 22 on freeways, about as expected.

    Lots of bass rumble from the Bose radio system (even with bass turned all the way down).

    Rear A/C works better than the front. Auto system does not have provision to allow unconditioned outside air in (same as most auto systems).

    No way to easily open fuel filler door if release lever fails (no emergency release in back near door). Spare mounted so tire pressure can't be checked without lowering spare (added 12 inch valve extension).

    Great around town and good enough on highway. Nav unit works well and is very easy to use. Glad to have memory seat and mirrors. Like the wiper feature that is intermittent at stop lights and automatically switches to low continuous when moving.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I hit the A/C button and it says "A/C off". Then the top doesn't read "full auto" just "auto"? This weekend, when it was 50 out, and the truck was set to 72 I tried that. I think it isn't conditioning the air?
  • mark189mark189 Member Posts: 107
    The TCS brakes either front wheel when slippage occurs. This is supposed to prevent sideways skids.

    The problem I had was going up a steep gravel hill because both wheels were slipping. As a results, uphill progress was a challenge.

    However, this particular situation is rare,and as I said, many Odyssey owners have posted positive remarks about its effectiveness in the snow.
  • markus17markus17 Member Posts: 18
    My apologies for what is probably a question that's been answered several times.

    Can the MDX run fine on regular gas? This is one of many factors in my decision between it and the Pilot. The salesperson at the dealer told me lots of people do it and there is no problem. However, one post in the Pilot discussion said this wasn't a good idea.

    Thanks
  • rms41rms41 Member Posts: 80
    Is the MDX exhaust system made of stainless steel?
  • afabyanafabyan Member Posts: 1
    I visited the area acura dealer and they said that the best lease program was on a 42 month lease. Three years ago I leased a Lexus RX300 with nothing down for $558/month for 39 months. I am surprised that the Acura is penciling out at nearly $650/month.

    58% residual
    39,150 purchase price
    12,000 miles per year

    Does anyone have a comment on the quote or is purchasing this vehicle the way to go?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Yes, I glanced again tonight and it sure looks like chromed stainless steel. Here's a blurb from the Acura Canada web site:


    "High-chromium stainless steel is used throughout the exhaust system for excellent durability. The twin exhaust outlets are polished for an attractive appearance."


    http://english.acuracanada.ca/models/mdx_benefits_description.asp#c08


    Hope this helps.

  • haironghairong Member Posts: 153
    On the lease term alone, looks like the dealer is charging you around 8~9% APR, very high by current standard. What is the money factor?

    Also, is the purchase price of $39,150 MSRP? If it's above MSRP, you are getting double ripped off.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I noticed today that as I listened to a CD with the volume up that the drivers side mirror vibrated with the base. Turned down the volume and it went away. Then I decided I didn't care and cranked it again!
  • markus17markus17 Member Posts: 18
    I never got an answer on whether the MDX can take regular gas without problems. Sorry to be repetitive, but it's part of my Pilot/MDX trade-off and I got conflicting answers from another board.

    Thanks.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    You should scroll back through both boards. Yes the MDX CAN run on regular gas. You will lose performance. We also broke out the cost differences, if the MDX gets 1 MPG better than the Pilot, how much the cost difference would be per 10000 miles, etc. Roughly, at 22/23 respectively Pilot/MDX, the MDX will cost you roughly $12.80 more per 10K miles assuming a $0.10 difference between 87($1.55)/91($1.65) octane. And if gas goes to around $2.00 a gallon it is almost break even.
  • markus17markus17 Member Posts: 18
    I never got an answer on whether the MDX can take regular gas without problems. Sorry to be repetitive, but it's part of my Pilot/MDX trade-off and I got conflicting answers from another board.

    Thanks.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    There has been a long-running debate on whether or not running regular gas in the MDX will shorten the life of the engine. I offer no opinion on this because the debate has never been fully conclusive.

    It is a definite fact that running regular gas will cut some power and torque on the MDX. It's most noticeable when you're highway cruising in fifth gear and go uphill. With premium, it's effortless.

    Around here the price differential between premium and regular is about twenty cents. Let's say that combined MPG on the MDX is 20, while on the Pilot it's 19.5 (both are optimistic, frankly). And let's say regular is $1.50 and premium is $1.70. For this equation, we'll have the MDX running premium, and the Pilot running regular, as is the manufacturer recommendation.

    If you drive 15k miles in a year, you'll thus use 750 gallons on the MDX, 769.23 gallons on the Pilot. The MDX premium gas for that will cost $1,275 for the whole year, while the Pilot regular gas will cost $1,153.85 for the year. Thus you save $121.15 for the year in gas costs with the Pilot, or about $10 a month.
  • katkisonkatkison Member Posts: 40
    Acura and Honda do not typically have much lease support. They feel they don't need it all-around, maybe on a model here or there.

    We looked at all three financing options on the MDX: buy, lease, and balloon. The interest rate on our regular financing was 6.95%, I think, which was the lowest being offered at the time. The lease and balloon rates were both between 9% and 9.3%, very high. Our monthly payment on a 48 month lease or balloon (not that we would have leased that long) was about $100 less vs. financing for 60 months and the residual was still in the $20K range. It was a no brainer for us.

    It doesn't sound weird to me that you have such a big difference in lease payments between the two vehicles. My mom really wanted a Honda CRV last year, but the lease payment difference vs. a Toyota RAV 4 was so big, there was no way she would lease the CRV. She is extremely happy with her little RAV 4, too.

    So, while the MDX might have healthy residuals, the money factors are too high to make economic sense vs. a similar vehicle such as the RX300. However, that's not to say you don't want to lease it anyway...just know the money factors seem to be a lot higher than competition.

    Kelly
  • mhenderson1mhenderson1 Member Posts: 164
    Is driving an SUV with an MPG of 19-20mpg and running on premium gas similar to driving an SUV (14-17) running on Regular gas. When I say similarity, I am talking about fuel costs. If they are the same, then I might as well buy a GMC Yukon instead of the MDX.
  • aloalo Member Posts: 35
    I received a 'newsletter' from Acura awhile ago and there was a Q&A segment. A question was answered regarding whether premium was needed for his/her car, I think it was an Integra. The answer was that the recommendation of 'premium' was based on the most severe engine condition under heavy load, meaning gas pedal to the floor during acceleration. In other less demanding conditions, regular should be OK. It did not answer, however, the relative performance and fuel economy.

    I've used a couple of tanks of regular last year when premium was over $2 in the Chicago and for my relax style of driving, I didn't noticed any difference. I am back to premium right now but recently premium is around $1.85 in my area.

    I don't believe using regular will hurt the engine, as it's a common knowledge that knock sensors do a pretty good job. I've been using regular in my Avalon since 96 and it runs fine even though 'primium is recommended for improved performance'.

    Regular or premium, your choice. I think either way is fine......until there is a problem...
  • 02_ody_exles02_ody_exles Member Posts: 4
    Are the rumors true that Acura is planning on making a 3.8L MDX?? This may make me rethink my decision to buy an MDX over a Honda Pilot, as I would anticipate the resale on a 3.0L to drop significantly after the 3.8L MDXs comes out. I will not pay more than MSRP for a Pilot, but I won't buy an obsolete MDX either. . . .maybe an RX300 would be the better way to go.

    Any insight on this issue?

    Shane
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Why would a RX300 be better? Because there might be a better MDX out at the end of the year? If the MDX beats the RX300 now (in my opinion it does) then get it. Don't get something worse, because the better item might get even better.

    I hope my MDX isn't obsolete? I plan on owning it for a long time. What if there is major first year pains with a 3.8L? Then the 2002 will be better.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    There is no official word on a switch to a 3.8 and I doubt if there will be one until very close to introduction. Typical Honda/Acura close-mouth approach.

    I doubt if the switch from a 3.5 to 3.8 liter engine (whenever it comes) will significantly damage resale values on the MDX. Plus it's not like the 3.8 liter version won't come with an obligatory price increase.

    The RX300 is a good vehicle but if you're afraid of losing value, the RX300 is going to be _totally_ redesigned, probably next year. So its change should be more dramatic than the MDX getting a bigger engine (though Lexus's have good resale values anyway).
  • md2002md2002 Member Posts: 142
    I am truly thinking 6-12 months out for an MDX, building a house first so that is a priority. But I did a quick check on Acura's website for CPO MDX's and found only (3) within 200 miles of my area.

    Now I know the MDX is holding its value, but can we say gouging the consumer. They are charging pretty much MSRP for a 2001 with 14k-18k. Since we are a few months away from the vehicle being 2 years old now way. I mean a 2002 MDX with premium and NAV is pretty close to that (sorry but the Acura site keeps conking out on me). Not to mention I would take a touring with NAV and 4k more in miles for $1005 less :) sound odd?

    2001 MDX with Touring Package Silver $37,200 24,791 Automatic 203 mi

    2001 MDX with Touring Package Black $39,995 14,030 Automatic 219 mi

    2001 MDX with Touring Package and Navigation Black $38,990 18,465 Automatic 227 mi
  • kruitboschkruitbosch Member Posts: 5
    DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HONDA DEALERSHIPS WILL SERVICE ACURAS AND PROVIDE WARRANTY SERVICE?? I WANT TO BUY AN MDX BUT AM MOVING TO RENO, NEVADA WHERE THERE IS NO ACURA DEALERSHIP. . . . .ANY SUGGESTIONS?

    SHANE
  • md2002md2002 Member Posts: 142
    You should be able to get service and parts repairs etc from a honda dealer. Would have to say no on the warranty issue. I would call Acura Customer Care and see what they offer.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    that the reflection from the plastic over the gauges makes the inside part look creased? Between 80-100 MPH the gauge looks like it has a semi circular crease. Nothing more than an optical illusion.
  • md2002md2002 Member Posts: 142
    the other day from Acura.com and I found an email from my local Acura dealer in my yahoo account. Funny thing was I didn't request to be contacted. At any rate I will give the fine fellow a call and set up a test drive (per his email).

    I went down to the lot today and looked around. I counted six MDX's. One used 2001 (no info on the car at all not even a price. One nice gold 2002 loaded with DIO pushing about $3k worth. And four others (with one sold). Odd thing is I checked out their web site it says 16 on the lot updated as of 5/24/02. Maybe I missed the other lot????

    For me the purchse time is in the next 6-12 months. I would move on an outgoing 2002 or wait til mid year on 2003. It really comes down to economics.

    One thing still irks me. for a car that runs $35-$42k they should give you power lumbar. The lumbar is a real issue for me. I would most likely have the seat modified to accomodate me, but the manual lumber adjustment is is a real bad spot for a power button. Anyone else notice?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    It's been discussed a lot before, and some dealerships don't really have the inventory they list on the web site. Sometimes it's just a teaser to get people in.
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