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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    What is the "Kelley Blue Book" Price?



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  • wfuller1wfuller1 Member Posts: 2
    Anyone figure out a way to play DVDs on the navigation system? I'd love to be able to entertain the kids on trips by playing DVDs for them. Thanks.
  • nm2nm2 Member Posts: 9
    I went to the E.Brunswick Acura also and made my decision that I would never give them my money. Their customer service was awful. The first person we dealt with was a young kid who took us on the test drive. when we returned we were passed off to a more "experienced" dealer who was so unbelievable rude it disgusted me. They quoted us $2K over MSRP. I laughed in his face and left. I just put a deposit down on a '03 (at MSRP) with the Precision Acura group of Princeton. Customer service there was 1,000x better!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Don't get me wrong, I know the MDX is a great car that maintains excellent resale value. I think the problem is that some owners may have unrealistic expectations as to what their used MDX will be worth.

    Would YOU pay $32,000 for a 2 year old MDX with 22,000 miles?

    If it were me, I'd rather buy a shiny new one for $35,000. I'd know it was broken in properly, never taken off-road, never in an accident, and as an added bonus, I would have a FULL warranty and won't experience as much road/wind noise, weeping mirrors, or sloshing fuel...
  • anchormananchorman Member Posts: 9
    I guess I'm just confused by all the conflicting numbers I'm getting. Edmunds TMV for my trade says about $29,500. NADA says $31,350 (what?) and Kelley says $27,000. Of these, who do I believe and what source is the dealer most likely to look at?
  • mentor34mentor34 Member Posts: 60
    Can anyone comment on the ease of fitting car seats side by side in the 2nd row seats of an MDX?? We are strongly considering a MDX, but with a 3 year old and another on the way, we want to make sure that we could comfortably fit car seats in the center and one outboard position. Any comments on this or any other size considerations would be greatly appreciated.
  • aggiebartaggiebart Member Posts: 37
    Just curious...
  • aggiebartaggiebart Member Posts: 37
    The guide books don't write the checks, the dealer does. Based on my experience as a Credit Union Loan Officer most dealers pay around NADA 'loan' value for in demand cars, the MDX is in demand, on your MDX that is $27,750 assuming 22K miles.

    There may be a high line used car dealer in your area that might give you more than the Honda or Acura dealer..Try Carmax too, they pay more than any dealer in my area, sometimes more than NADA 'Loan'.

    The reason I bought a brand new '02 3 months ago was because I could not justify buying a used for only $3-$5K less than a new one...But that's what they go for..
  • sailing216sailing216 Member Posts: 98
    Trading in- I would go with the lowest trade-in listed. Then again, you are buying another car that they are making thousands in commision off of, Oddy right? I would point out this fact to them. They'll probalby counter about a brand new Pilot--blah blah blah. If you got 29k trading it in, take it with the tax savings with trade-ins (factor that in). If they won't budge on 27k or less, sell it yourself. What's the worst that'll happen, the 03' Oddys will be out when you are ready to buy at MSRP anyways.
    Do a search on Edmunds for Trade-in and you will comeup with a great discussion with the brentwoodvolvo guys that will tell you what trade-in price you should get since that's what price they can get it at the auction. The guys are right on.

    Car seats: 3 car seats will fit in the second row. We did a test months ago and yes, 3 fit. Two should be fine. Remember to put towels under the car seats to prevent them rubbing a permant mark/hole in the leather (friend found out the hard way).
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I don't own an MDX so this is only what I've read. Apparently the location of the gas tank in the MDX and Pilot is such that you can hear the the gas sloshing around in the tank when you put the brakes on. Exactly how annoying this is depends on your sensitivity to noises.
  • teeveeboy1teeveeboy1 Member Posts: 7
    Ok, thanks to everyone who has offered their advice on my MDX trade-in. Today I called my local Acura dealer and they told me they have their first used MDX to sell. It's a base model with 45,000 miles. It is certified and they're asking $33,000. Mine has 22,000 miles. I think my Honda dealer will somehow work a deal with the Acura dealer on my trade-in. I realize they probably wouldn't get 33K for their used MDX, but based on all that? How much should I expect to get on my trade?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    You're probably right, someone will probably pay $40,000 for it.


    There is a person on e-bay who sells an "electric supercharger" for $41.00 + $20.00 shipping.


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1845990476


    The Manufacturer, Attwood, sells the same unit (it's a marine turbo blower) for $18.59.


    http://www.iboats.com/products/7/2486_attwood_turbo_blowers.html


    Remember what P.T. Barnum said...

  • rudy331rudy331 Member Posts: 27
    Although I have never experienced a trade-in on an MDX, but many others, including other Acura vehicles, I would make an educated guess that realistically they will offer between $25-27. Despite what we know they are worth, they are in the business to make money. After 13 vehicles the closest we have come to getting anywhere near what the book suggests is at Carmax. Very hassle free though. Good luck!!! You may find someone privately that would love an MDX but can't quite afford the full new price.

    I am awaiting arrival of a 2003 Touring. Placed the original order in May, but after hearing about many possible upgrades, decided to wait for the newer version.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Aggiebart nailed it - Edmunds will tell you what it's worth, but we aren't writing checks for cars (long term road test rigs excepted). Here's where some of the dealers hang out:


    Any Questions for a Car Dealer?

    They're very helpful in there, plus there's a fun thread on odometer rollbacks from a couple of days ago (the 22nd).


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  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    Terry and bill hang out there and will peg your trade for you. they do this stuff for a living.
  • angelica2angelica2 Member Posts: 30
    sailing216 mentioned there is a tax savings for trade-ins. I've heard this once before and I would like to learn more about this. I'm going to be trading in a car I bought last year for the new 2003 MDX. If anyone has info on the tax savings issue, please post.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Some states allow this; others, like California, do not...

    In the states that allow it, the trade-in value of your old vehicle is deducted from the total sales price on the new vehicle BEFORE sales tax is computed. So if you buy the vehicle in a state that allows this practice, here's an example:

    New MDX, before sales tax: $40,000
    Your trade-in car is appraised at: $10,000

    So you would pay the state sales tax on the net amount of $30,000 ($40k less $10k)

    If you buy in a state that does NOT allow this practice, you pay tax on the entire $40,000 -- THEN you get to deduct your $10k trade.

    So your savings, in "good" states, is sales tax on the value of your trade. In the example above, with a state sales tax of 7%, you would save $700 ($10,000 x 7%).

    Hope this helps.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I'd forgotten about the Real-World Trade-In Values board.



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  • mentor34mentor34 Member Posts: 60
    We've decided that we would like to order a Base 2003 MDX, Black and ebony. Our dealer has stated that their 2002 allotments are all filled, but yet cannot give us pricing or substantiate any changes for the 2003 models. We would like to order early enough to ensure that we receive the vehicle by Thanksgiving to facilitate a family vacation. Any tips/suggestions on how to accomplish this without missing out on potential new options such as curtain airbags?? We'd like to get the Base, but may consider the Touring if there are substantial differences in the '03s. All inputs welcome.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Based on posts here, it looks like dealers are now entering orders in for the October production run, and have to get the orders in by Tuesday. You will thus probably need to find a dealer whose list will get your order in there (some dealers have waiting lists that are longer than what they can order as part of their monthly allocation, and they put your name on the list without entering an order).

    There's a chance you can still get your vehicle by Thanksgiving if your order is entered into September's ordering period but there's no guarantee because of delivery times.

    2003 changes are still not officially announced. The only ones that I (personally, JMHO) would consider confirmed by highly reliable sources are some new color changes, availability of the rear-entertainment system, no Navi availability with the base anymore, and some new Acura accessories (luggage basket, rooftop box, and a hitch mounted bicycle carrier). Everything else is still rumor.

    Good luck.
  • ebluezguyebluezguy Member Posts: 6
    All the changes/upgrades for 2003 have been listed on this board as well as elsewhere many times. Look back thru the thread and you'll see it. If you want a 2003 by Nov. I'd suggest putting in an order and deposit on what you want now (color, package) and just write on the agreement that the order is contingent upon your final approval of color, price and options when released by Acura.

    That's what I did. That lets the dealer get it in to Acura, but still protects you if any surprises. I think the changes are well worth the wait.
  • angelica2angelica2 Member Posts: 30
    Thanks JEFFMUST2 for the information. Unfortunately, I do live in California and from your explanation, the benefit won't apply to me. Too bad California doesn't implement this wonderful incentive. Thanks again !
  • djnmandjnman Member Posts: 4
    Will acura be putting xenon lights in their 2003 MDX model?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Currently unknown.
  • maransmmaransm Member Posts: 29
    Finallyyyyy... I have chosen MDX after spending 4 months to find the "right" one for me. I just put my deposit and ordered for 2003 MDX Touring Silver/Ebony. Still "trying" to convince my wife to go for "Touring with Navigation". (Soon I'll let you all know who wins!?)

    Thanks to "rn4fun" for information about the Colorado dealer. He is an easy guy to deal with. I put $500 fully returnable deposit and I will be paying MSRP. My "Touring" will be available around Mid Oct and if I order "Touring with Navi", it would be sometime in Nov since Acura is working new voice activated, redesigned Navigation system.

    I test drove the 2002 MDX Base model and I found quite a lot of road noise (with windows closed). I am not sure, I may be wrong, but looks like I find it less noise in my 98 Explorer - Eddie Bauer Edition. My salesman told me that "Touring" would reduce the road noise significantly with 17" Touring alloy wheels. Is it true? I hope he is right! Any comments from 02 owners here?

    I still couldn't choose from Silver/Ebony and Mesa Beige Metallic/Ebony(?) Btw, Does the 03 comes with Mesa Beige with Ebony?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Congratulations on your upcoming purchase.

    I don't think the Touring wheels will make much difference in the noise, but the tires might. Most folks (not all) think that the Michelin Cross Terrains are quieter than the Goodyear Integrity's that come on the Base. But there's been some disagreement on this, too.
  • rerenov8rrerenov8r Member Posts: 380
    The wheel size and type on the Premium & Touring is the SAME. On 01 & 02 the tires were Goodyear on Premium & Mich on Touring. The SLIGHT difference in WHEELS is purely cosmetic...
  • daveghhdaveghh Member Posts: 495
    Goodyear Integrity Tirerack rating scroll down....

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I50F23F91


    Michelin Cross Terrains Tirerack rating scroll down

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?V4EE25F91

    It appears that there is a difference between the two tires as far as road noise is concerned, although it doesn't seem to be much difference.

  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    Acura was behind RX 300 in Consumer Reports in noise department. Wheels of course are identical on both in size. The tires are very different. Goodyear car bias and Michelin SUV bias. I have been in both and have noticed nothing different. The Michelins by design look louder but I cannot tell. I drive the base MDX and am happy with my cheap goodyears. Want loud drive the Odyssey. Sounds like a tank to me but my opinion.
    INKY
  • mdx2003mdx2003 Member Posts: 13
    Anyone know which dealers in the Bay Area are ordering 2003 MDX?
  • madipacmadipac Member Posts: 21
    Does anyone know a good dealer in metro Detroit? Any more info on the 2003 MDX? Pricing?

    Thanks
  • mark189mark189 Member Posts: 107
    I saw many used 2001s on Ebay, even 2 2002's.

    I bought a Crv for my daughter on ebay and am becoming a fan of buying used cars coming off of lease on Ebay.

    The internet makes this process a lot easier and beneficial. You're searching nationwide. You can use Carfax to make sure it's not salvage and has a clean title. You can even arrange an inspection. Also, discount airlines make flying one way to pick up a car cheaper.(Alternatively, cars can be shipped)

    The concern is reliability. Well, if it's a Honda/Acura, that's less of a concern. But let's say you want to play it safe:

    You pay:
    $ 200 to have it inspected.
    $1,500 for an extended warranty
    $ 400 for new tires and alignment
    $ 400 for paint touch up

    So you pay an extra $2,500 and get a car at a big discount vs. new, but is close to new. I say close to new, because 40,000 extra miles on a vehicle that should provide 200,000 miles of trouble free driving is not a big issue.

    BTW: No dealer prep or document fees either.

    My point is, those of you complaining about arrogant dealers, mark-ups over MSRP, and long waiting lists, now have a viable alternative.
  • nm2nm2 Member Posts: 9
    Can anyone show me pictures of their HAVASU BLUE MDX?!

    I saw the Honda website where they show colors on the Odyssey, but I can't seem to get a good close up photo.

    Thanks!
  • andys3andys3 Member Posts: 20
    Does anyone have any info (anecdotal or otherwise) regarding the safety of the third row of seats in the MDX during a rear-end collision? Volvo is making a big deal out of the placement of the third row of seats in their forthcoming XC90 over the rear axle, and my wife independently noticed how close the MDX seats are to the back of the vehicle. Crumple zone or not, if there isn't much to crumple, occupants of those seats could get squished....
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I have read that the MDX is rated to handle a 35 mph rear collision with minimal intrusion. I cannot remember where, but it was an "official" site, not just on this board.
  • mdx2003mdx2003 Member Posts: 13
    In the most recent round of SUV bumper tests, six out of seven SUVs performed miserably while just one, the Acura MDX, sustained about the same dollar amount in damages as a typical small car.


    "The Acura MDX has the best bumpers of any midsize SUV the institute has ever tested," says Adrian Lund, chief operating officer for IIHS.


    For more info...

    http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/insure/basics/7648.asp

  • rudy331rudy331 Member Posts: 27
    While I don't have a picture, I did just place an order for a 2003 Touring MDX with an expected delivery date of mid October. The dealer I purchased from had 2. While the Pilot has the same color it looks entirely different on the Pilot. It is a light bluish green. Depending on how the sunlight is hitting it, it looks more blue or green. The dealer informed me that the blue on the Odyssey is not the same color.
  • jks320jks320 Member Posts: 7
    I am looking to add a towing hitch in order to put on a bike rack and possible light trailer towing (2 miles to the dump w/ brush etc) which would require wiring. Can anyone provide a recommendation on an aftermarket towing hitch. Brand, part# and where purchased, etc.

    Also, how difficult was the installation and do you need to utilize the dealer for any wiring issues.

    Thanks for your help.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    hiddenhitch.com
  • fndlyfmrflyrfndlyfmrflyr Member Posts: 668
    Thanks to all you for posting. Many of my questions and concerns were answered much better by you than the dealers.

    Have 2002 Touring Navi. Ordered in January and arrived in March. Can't complain about the road noise as it is less than the 01 S-Type 4.0 traded in. Wish I could have waited for an 03 but the value of the Jag was dropping like a rock. I found a couple of Acura dealers that do not ask over sticker. Service from the dealer is mediocre, but things eventually get done and they do provide a free loaner.

    The added power from the 03 larger engine is definitely needed on freeway hills. Rain sensing wipers (had them on other cars) are fine, but Acura needs to increase the speed of the wipers for heavy rain.

    Hard to imagine a better Navi system than the one I have now. I have yet to have to reprogram on the fly so voice activation for 03 seems unimportant for me. I plan on getting an upgraded DVD to keep track of the new roads in my area.

    Happy to hear that a vehicle stability system is coming. While I haven't had a need for it with the MDX, the one on the Jags (00 and then an 01) did come in handy in the rain.

    I like the idea of a reverse sensing system (both Jags had it), But I'd prefer to look in the direction of car movement, rather than forward at the 03's nav screen while backing.

    Overall my 02 is quieter than expected and very comfortable. Have had to use the third row many times and there have been no complaints from the third row passengers (high schoolers).

    Initial build quality less than expected but not terrible either.

    Saw comments earlier in topic from a poster that feels his is a lemon. Each state has different lemon law definitions and requirements for repurchase or replacement. I heard many lemon law cases in California (arbitration) and my experience indicates car manufactures tend to ease up with respect to taking care of the customer when their products are not selling well or are trying to build market share, but tend to get arrogant and seem uncaring when they have a hot seller. The MDX is a hot seller.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    I was reading this article:

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002/03/01/third-row.htm

    Interesting, but it makes sense. Would you put someone in the rear of a Stationwagon? The third row seats are so close in these midsized-utes to the rear hatch, the headrests are in reality, 12-18" from the rear of the vehicle... I don't have a third row seat in my TB, but I don't have kids either... Just checking out how you guys/gals like your MDX's. Eventually want to pick one up, but I think I'll live with my TB until the price gauging subsides a little more...(when I bought my TB 09/01, the MDX's were going for like 7k above MSRP? dang. I believe in this article they also note that since there is no "standard" for rear seat stability, frame support, etc. and that is something that they are trying to do in the federal government. Hope this helps.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    That's a good article. Thanks for sharing it.


    IMO, I think the Volvo XC90 (out of the current midsize SUVs) might be the only SUV that has safe third-row seats. The Volvo XC90 website has some videos about their third-row seating. See Volvo XC90 videos for the video about the 3rd row of seats. But of course, real-world data, when available, should be looked at for actual application. On paper, it looks safe, but I guess we'll see if it is.


    But, as much as possible, I would not seat anyone in the 3rd row, if I can. To me, flexible 3rd row seating just means that I can haul more cargo when not using the 3rd row of seats.

  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Yep, you need crash testing for rear-end collisions to be sure. FWIW, Acura claims that the rear has been designed to withstand a 35-mph collision.

    I think some of the anti-SUV lobby gets into this too. Frankly, the rear-end issue can be as bad if not worse for 2+2 hatchbacks and many smaller vehicles with little space behind the rear seat. Plus they ride lower and are lighter, and would be damaged even worse in a rear-ender. But that's not always mentioned.
  • andys3andys3 Member Posts: 20
    Thanks to all for their input on the 3rd row seat question. I have another: How much stuff can people get behind the third row seat (carryon bags, etc)?
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I would feel much safer in the 3rd row seat of an MDX than I would be in the rear seat of, say, a Civic or VW hatchback. In a small hatchback, first you get smacked, then you get pancaked!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Not much. There's about 15-16 cubic feet of cargo room behind the third row (the third row is 50-50 split). Ironically, the X5 has 16 cubes behind its second row.
  • mdx2003mdx2003 Member Posts: 13
    Excerpt for this article http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/46521/article.html


    "And though the third-row seat places occupants just inches away from the rear window and tailgate, Acura says the MDX is able to withstand a 35-mph rear collision without intrusion into the third-row passenger compartment. Bumper heights have been designed for compatibility with those of passenger cars, and MDX's wide track and relatively low center of gravity mean that it's probably more stable than many sport-utilities (the NHTSA had also not calculated a rollover rating for the MDX as of this writing)."

  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Going beyond just the third row, I will have to say that while I think the MDX is probably safe in most rear-end collisions, the XC90 will likely be a clear level better. There are a lot of considerations in rear-enders. While crash-testing is not perfect, it at least blends together a number of physical variables and provides a basis point for comparison, which is why it's a shame that there aren't stringent NHTSA or IIHS rear crash tests. But that of course would be expensive.

    Factors beyond just the rear crumple zone and the third row include:

    1) Headrest and other anti-whiplash measures.
    2) Strong seat frames and pivot points.
    3) Fuel tank protection.

    The current NHTSA standard for the strength of seats in a collision seems strong, but I believe it falls short of European standards. Indeed, both Volvo and Mercedes-Benz have recommended to the NHTSA that they significantly increase the standard based on their own safety research. Both Volvo and MB have been designing their seats to meet or exceed the higher proposed standard.

    Some of you may have seen various media reports that demonstrate what can happen in a rear-ender. Sometimes the seat bends, sometimes breaks, or just collapses, and sometimes the front occupants then slide up against the ceiling or the rear, or even injure the rear passengers. There have been a number of class-action and individual lawsuits brought against a variety of domestic and Japanese manufacturers, asserting that their seats were not strong enough in a serious accident. However, those seats meet the federal standard, and I doubt if those cases were proven against the makers.

    I don't know if Acura or other manufacturers have significantly strengthened their seats beyond NHTSA standards; one can only hope so. Meanwhile, Volvo has come up with new designs including seats that can deform up to 50% to absorb collision forces without breaking. I believe the XC90 will have seats similar to what was originally introduced in 1998 with the S80.

    Whiplash protection is important too. The MDX's headrests aren't particularly good (see the IIHS ratings which are based on static measurements). Volvo has all sorts of anti-whiplash measures, including a seat that prevents submarining and tries to articulate the occupant in a crash, and headrests that work well and cradle the heat to support it in a collision.

    Again, this may sound all negative on the MDX, and I would say again that I think the MDX is safe. I'm just saying that if you're worried about rear-enders, please at least consider the various rear-collision safety issues. I'm also not saying go out and buy a Volvo, just that if your level of expectation requires absolute safety (at the expense of some other issues), it's hard to beat the XC90 and M-class.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    Sorry I keep posting here guys, but the owners of the 'triplets' have come up with some pretty interesting ways of helping to prevent damage in rear end collisions. Personally, I use a hitch mount, others have used WAAG's rear bumper protector(a 1" tubular bar that surrounds the bumper area www.waag.com) or a hitch step. check out timlauro.com for his Trailblazer LTZ, he had a rear end collision in his, and the hitch step got squished, but prevented major damage. Only thing is I think you guys would need a hitch mount for this that is not included. WAAG would probably be the best way to go for this if you don't mind tubular bars wrapped around your rear bumper. Doesn't look like they make one yet, but I bet if there is an interest, they will make one. They have it for the RX300, CRV, Passport, and Highlander, so it's probably only a matter of time, of course if demand is high.... BTW, I believe that these run about 2-300 or so, not a bad price if it will give that extra protection(probably help reduce scratches too) hope this helps you folks.
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