Lexus RX 300

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  • rxguyrxguy Member Posts: 13
    I ordered a hidden hitch (2 actually) and there was no cover included. I ordered the Lexus cover from irontoad.com. Works great.

    David
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    You mentioned doing a lot of driving at 80 mph. Something to consider is the low gearing of the RX. The gas mileage seems to drop off and the engine revs higher at those speeds when compared to other 6 cyl automatics.
  • rlui1rlui1 Member Posts: 93
    I attended a new owners orientation at my dealer last week and they said that the 2002 RX has side airbags for the head (not the ones that come out of the front seats). Is this true? I've haven't seen it listed in any specs.
  • albellalbell Member Posts: 185
    I have owned 3 SUV's (a Bravada, ML 320 and the RX 300) and the RX has by far the least amount of wind noise, by far. But it is there and more noticeable than a sedan or wagon and it is worse at higher speeds and in windy conditions. I have also owned an MB E320 wagon, which was amazingly quiet, much more so than any SUV. I think these are two different vehicles and hard to really compare. In my book, the best combination of ride, luxury and utility is the RX 300.
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    I have no doubt that it's your Goodyears. There were quite a few posts last year with a number of suspension fixes tried. My wifey's did the same thing.

    I doubt that you'll have much luck convincing the dealer to switch out tires.

    Suck it up and give TireRack $620 for 5 Michelin CrossTerrains and your pulling problems will go away as mine did. Plus your RX will handle better. It will have better steering feel than my GS430 with RE030 17" Potenzas, that cost twice as much! And when you see the thickness of the sidewalls on the Goodyears, you'll be glad (for safety's sake) that you've dumped 'em.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Especially if you're on a lease...

    Great tires to put back on the vehicle -- just before you return it!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    What am I missing here?

    Every way I have checked indicates the RX300 is torque biased toward the front. A 4 wheel dyno test indicated 75/25 with the VC fully "tightened up".

    The F/R final drive ratios seem to indicate that the opposite should be the case, the front final drive ratio is 3.29:1 and the rear is 2.928.

    That would seem to indicate that for every ten engine revolutions the front wheel tread surface will move 21.27 feet and the rears would move 23.90 feet, so the front wheel should "coast" and the rear wheels provide the driving force.

    Can anybody shed some light on this?
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Willy,

    Say it after me: "It just doesn't matter".

    Even you were surprised at how well the AWD worked a few weeks ago for you.

    On paper, the AWD of the RX, to you, looks pittiful. Meanwhile, in the real world, it works as advertised, and suit 99.9% of the owners out there.

    Isn't that what's important? Test all you want. Even if tests showed the torque is 99.5% on one wheel, it just doesn't matter. It still works.

    Also, as a note to a mikey00 on gas mileage. My wife and I drove from Boston, MA to Price Edward Island (about 10 hours) this past summer in our '01 AWD RX. It had approximatly 4000 miles on it at the time. I drove between 60 and 90mph for most of the entire trip (about 650 miles), and got 20.1 mpg. That's pretty damn good considering the vehicle.

    -Craig
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    RXes and HLs are out there?

    Some of us are part of that .01%

    But then I doubt if the number is actually that low.

    So, would you mine just being happy with your purchase and leave the rest of us to solve OUR problems?

    Look at it this way if you will, if it really isn't a problem no harm is done, but if it is, and Lexus cares, you get to but a better vehicle next time around.
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    Your gas mileage is about the same as mine when I push it at higher speeds. What concerns me is it's not much better than my wife's mileage of 19.7 which is mostly around town and some country roads, no highway.
    I find that the RX does best at these conditions and some slower highway speeds. Which is fine for me because that's most of our driving. All vehicles suffer somewhat at higher speeds due to wind resistance, etc. The RX is further hindered at higher speeds by it's low gearing. This reduces the mileage and produces more RPM per mile traveled creating slightly more engine wear.
    If I were pucchasing a vehicle for primarily high speed driving I would take this into consideration when comparision shopping.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    If Lexus even hits 95% satisfaction with it's AWD set up (and I'm sure it's 99%+), they aren't going to change a thing no matter how ofter you call Lexus Corporate for schematics of the AWD system and quiz them on the torque bias.

    They've created a car for the masses. If you have a specialized need (ie. tire chains to climb up snowy mountains), then you bought the wrong vehicle - twice.

    -Craig
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    What with all of the talk on tires and all and of 4WD systems.

    Why not be a big boy and get some BFG Mudders? These would be nice for you Willard, you'll certainly get through rough terrain...

    image

    heheheheheh...

    Bill
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    With the LC and LX already in the market then tell me why the GX470 is coming and the Sequoia even exists...

    Market share, every .01% counts.

    AND....

    The squeaking wheel DOES get the grease.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I consider myself a prime part of the target market for the RX300, quiet, smooth, carlike ride 99.9% of the time, mid-sized (perfectly sized IMMHO) an adequate LTS AWD for .008%, but missing the abilty to use snowchains for the other .002%

    If MB can do it with the ML and BMW with the X5 and even Toyota with the Sequoia, why not Lexus with the RX?

    I'd even be willing to lay odds that the rear suspension will soon be changed so that snowchains can safely be used.

    And eliminating the RX's VC by using the Sequoia's VSC/TRAC/ABS firmware would result in manufacturing cost savings and most likely a more reliable product (fewer parts to wear out or break) plus more customer satisfaction.

    It would probably even increase the RX's already substantial weight advantage, 800 lbs, over the ML and X5 by another 100 pounds or so.

    Why would I discomfort myself by putting mudders on for only the .002% of the time I might need them.

    Do you know that in Canada The LS430 comes with an electrically heated windshield? And that the Canadian RX has an electric heater for the lower portion of the windshield and the wipers just like the US Chrysler T&C?

    I live just about 100 miles south of the Canadian border but Lexus assumes their weather is more severe than ours I guess.
  • vzinvzin Member Posts: 11
    After months of bargain hunting finaly got my new rx300.
    I've purchased it at Ray Catena, Oakhurst NJ and I'm very happy with the experience. The price for a fully loaded AWD rx300 was a barely $100 over invoice, at $35800. The sales person I dealt with was very sincere, put no pressure on me and stood up to every promise he made for example, timing of delivery. If every car sales person was like this one, this would be no doubt the most trusted profession (and not vice versa). His name is Mike Barrone, I highly recommend him to anyone shopping for rx300 in NY/NJ area. I've also got price quotes at three more dealerships,and the price from Ray catena was $400 less than the next closest quote. It took me extra 3 weeks to get the color I liked, vapor blue, (really liked black interior), but the delivery day was exactly as originally promised.

    A couple of questions to experienced rx300 owners.
    When I start the car first time during the day it usually takes me three attempts to actually start the engine. I usually turn the ignition key for less than a second, hear generator noise but the engine won't start after first couple of tries. I used to own 4-cyl Honda Accord, and it took me literally a fraction of a second to start the car by turning the ignition key. Aftr 7 years it would still start almost instantaneously. Is that because the honda's engine is smaller it takes much less generator time to start the engine? Is that okay to hold a key and let generaor work for a couple of seconds until the enine starts?

    Another question is related to the infamous sludge problem. Was there any change in the engine design in my 2002 vs. 2001? If no, and this seems to be the "official" response because engine re-design is not listed among changes for the 2002 model, why the 2002 year models are not covered by the Toyota SPA letter? I know this question has been asked before on other boards but I didn't see any answer to it. So if it's been answered could someone point me out to the answer.
    Thanks.
  • kclkkclk Member Posts: 11
    I had my acura serviced this morning and mentioned the sludge issue on Lexus. They suggested synthetic oils would help prevent the sludge. Is this a possible solution?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    First, turn the key (just) on for a few seconds to let the fuel pump have time to build up fuel pressure then hold the key in the "start" position for 3 to 4 seconds and then release if the engine hasn't started. Your method will be really rough on the starter motor and its bendix and gearing.

    It's likely Lexus hasn't yet addressed the 2002 sludge issue becuase few, if any, of those would have accrued the high mileage seemingly necessary.
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    I read somewhere, and of course I can't remember where now, the 2002 sludge letter was to come out at a later date. I think it was in one of the news articles about the problem.
  • john339john339 Member Posts: 229
    According to Toyota's Press Release, the Sludge adjustments were only good for 97-01 vehicles. The point you bring up about the inclusion of the 2002 models is one of the problems that people have with the policy, since apparently no engine changes were made.

    at the bottom of this news article, it lists the models and years that will get the sludge letter. http://www.wusatv9.com/consumer/consumer_article.asp?storyid=4725
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    vzin, congratulations on your RX. Speaking as the owner (well, it's hers, but you know who bought it) of an early 99 RX, happiness will continue to accrue. As far as starting, you bring up an interesting point.

    Different makes start differently, for reasons not clear. Chevys, Hondas, and Nissans light off almost with no more than a bump of the key (and almost always have, at least since the advent of fuel injection). Others take a couple of seconds. I've always wondered about the "fast" vs the "less than furious". Is it because some mfgrs want more oil pressure in the top end of the motor whereas others want the impression of, shall we say, eagerness at the expense of slightly more long term wear?

    I dunno......but regardless, Willard is right. Your RX (nor any other Lexus) doesn't light off like your Honda and you are only stressing the starter components more with current strategy.
  • subalsubal Member Posts: 9
    Does anyone have a recommendation for window tinting that matches the semi-reflective appearance of the back windows?
  • vzinvzin Member Posts: 11
    Wwest, thank you for your advise on starting the rx. I've tried it today, it's been over 24 hours since driving the car previously, and it took less than 2 secs to start the engine. Just to clarify: at what point fuel pressure starts to build up, when I just turn the key half way (dash board lights and starter is not working) or when I actually engage the starter? Thanks.

    mooretorgue, I kind of miss the peppiness of my old accord when starting the engine. But I guess it's fine as long as I know the things are how they were designed to be. It'll get me a just couple of weeks to get used to the new routine.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Willard.. it was a joke Sir :)

    That's a pic of a 2000 AWD RX300 that a business partner of mine owns. Hes an off-road enthusiast, and leased it because, well, at the time it was nearly free for him.

    With the Mud-Terrain T/As it does reasonably well off-road, and if they are kept properly inflated and rotated, they arent really that noisy.

    Bill
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    As far as sludge goes...

    I deal in lots and lots of Toyota Products, many of which are very high mileage or on rebuilt titles (For Export) and have yet to see a sludged one, and, yes, I am removing valve cover gaskets.

    Its also not a known problem in the arbitration departments of auto auctions that I have spoken with.

    There are some highly vocal people on the net who seem to think that it is, but I do not know of a single Toyota that was proven to be properly maintained that sludged. From what it appears, due to the design of these engines, they dont tolerate abuse/lack of servicing very well.

    Bill
  • joanziejoanzie Member Posts: 51
    Was the 35800. price including Navigation? I purchased my 2001 there, also got Blue Vapor with black but did not get a great deal, but it really was my fault because I fell inlove with the car and bought it right after the test drive and he knew he had me.I bought mine from Bernard Tremblay. I got everything except the nav. Was that price before or after taxes,registration, doc. fee?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Absent the picture I think I would have gotten it right away but I did look closely at the picture befreo I decided it was real. Then I thought, why would anyone....

    Key/fuel: Most systems are designed so the pressure will be maintained for hours with the vehicle stopped but some "leakdown" will always occur. The fuel pump recieves power in the engine "run" position but not the accessory position.
  • vzinvzin Member Posts: 11
    The $35800 was w/o nav system.
    I got the invoice price for the car with the optons I've got at around 35,700 on carsdirect.com. It included hid, heated seats, tow hitch receiver and pretty much everything else except nav and chrome wheels.
  • kimwipeskimwipes Member Posts: 21
    Let me ask another question and hope I don't get the outboard motor response this time :)

    Where can I buy service/shop manuals for the RX300? Specifically, I'm looking at the 1year service and the owners manual indicates the need to retorque something (I forgot the name), but I have no clue what part that 'something' is.
  • vzinvzin Member Posts: 11
    The $35800 was w/o nav system.
    I got the invoice price for the car with the optons I've got at around 35,700 on carsdirect.com. It included hid, heated seats, tow hitch receiver and pretty much everything else except nav and chrome wheels.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I have owned my 92 LS400 since late 91. It has had DIY regular oil and air/oil filter changes and otherwise not been serviced and will not be until 90K when the manual says the timimg belt should be changed.

    IMMHO anything else is just an excuse for you to pay the dealer's kid's college tuition.

    That's all I ever did with two Fords, 68, 75, each of which carried me over 250K miles.
  • clee4clee4 Member Posts: 103
    The service/shop manuals can be had from Lexus for $100/volume, 2 volume set. There is a limited amount of information in them, mainly they tell you how to hook up the fancy tester that lexus uses. If you are just one of those guys (like me) that wants to read all you can about your car, they are better then the owners manual. I picked up some points about how systems operated, but had to read between the lines a lot. I bought a set of manuals for my 94 GS from lexus and they were great, I expected the same when I ordered the RX's but was unhappy with the content.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Toyota/Lexus announced today a new policy for coverage on certain 1997-2002 vehicles (including ES300s and RX300s). They are now warranty covered against oil gel/sludge for 8 years from date of original purchase:

    Mr_Shiftright "Engine Sludge? (Forum Closed But Check For Updates))" Apr 3, 2002 1:54pm

    Check post #5034.

    Now Willard can rest easy at night, even though he does his own oil changes by candlelight with filters made of duck tape and discarded kitchen sponges and oil collected in a coffee can by diving headfirst into the Reclaimation Bin at North Seattle Jiffy Lube.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Is that REALLY how T/L makes their oil filters?

    I remember some old stories about the use of surplus rags as filter material but I had no idea Lexus would stoop that

    LOW.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Just read the press release and it does look as if there was/is lots of fire at the bottom of that column of smoke.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Member Posts: 391
    is just for the original owner, or do you think it covers owners who buy a RX300 used during the eight year period?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Doesn't seem to address that issue, at least not directly.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Here's a guy you can ask:

    Engine Sludge/Oil Gelling--Toyota's Customer Response

    Steve
    Host
    SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
  • rmnixonrmnixon Member Posts: 21
    Well, some of you might remember my post from last week about my wife's RX 300 that the dealer found sludge in although we had no outward signs (oil consumption, smoking, etc). We got the car back today. They replaced the valve covers and gaskets, oil pan and gaskets, PCV, and cleaned as much of the motor as they could reach. Service manager is recommending 3K oil change interval. I must say the Lexus dealership was very accomodating and I have no complaints about the dealer service. I do find it interesting that the dealership recommends a 3K interval and the manual has a 5k for severe service. Oh well, the wife likes the car so at this point I'm going to do what they tell me.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The way I read the press release Lexus should be willing to pick up the additionally cost of twice as many oil changes as you expected to incur when you purchased the vehicle.

    Worth a try don't you think?
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    Willard, I agree. I wonder how all the other service items will now factor into the equation. More trips for those things that don't fall into the 3000 mile increment categories?

    The dealers should love it, since they can now "check all fluids" even more often at $75/hr.
  • jj35jj35 Member Posts: 283
    here is an article in today's USA Today:


    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002/04/04/toyota-sludge.htm

  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Toyota/John Hanson:

    "It is NOT an engine defect"

    Toyota/John Hanson:

    "the company is making an IMMEDIATE change to its V6 engine..."
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Now all they have to do is figure out a way to prevent EVERY Toyota/Lexus dealer from finding engine sludge in EVERY engine they "inspect".

    Good luck on that front.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    About the same amount of luck that YOU had "proving" that the RX300 AWD drive system doesn't work, eh?

    By the way, sometimes it's important to be able to add 2 + 2. And get 4.

    Check your previous post #4869 about percentages. Better bring a calculator and lots of pencils.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Always did have trouble with percentages vs real numbers....
  • john339john339 Member Posts: 229
    wwest....loved you post, Great observation!

    Toyota/John Hanson:

    "It is NOT an engine defect"

    Toyota/John Hanson:

    "the company is making an IMMEDIATE change to its V6 engine..."
  • john339john339 Member Posts: 229
    RMNixon -

    Do you know if they changed out your valve stem seals with new ones? Its my understanding that de-sluding material used is very caustic and obviously breaks down petroleum-based products (oil, seals, etc).
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    "Toyota says the problem is caused by going too long between oil changes."

    Guess this means that the service intervals in the manual are too long. my GOD!! Think of the reprinting expense on top of all those engine replacements. I'll be looking for my new manual in the mail.........
  • rlui1rlui1 Member Posts: 93
    I posted a question in posting #4858 asking if anyone knew if the 2002 RX has the head protection airbags. My dealer claims it does. Does anyone know?
  • avery1avery1 Member Posts: 373
    Just got a mailer from Lexus yesterday talking about the 2002 RX. In it there is the description "front seat-mounted side-impact airbags*"
    *The Lexus driver's front passenger's, front seat-mounted side-impact, and side-curtain airbags are a supplemental..."

    I thought I had your answer until I read the footnote. The first line sounds like the same airbags as earlier models but then the footnote talks of side curtain airbags which usually come from the top.
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