Received call today from Toyota Regional Tech Representative. Basically told me that their was an engineering defect in the oil supply lines that lube the AC compressor. In a very hot situation the compressor will not get enough lubrication thus seize, causing the problem I had experienced. There is a TSB out for this so beware. He could not commit to the parts, but wants me to work within Toyota Customer Service and not go the legal route. Initially offered to pay my payment for the month give me a bumper to bumper warranty until 100000 miles. I told him I needed more detail on when my truck would be fixed, and if the date was still end of May than we still had a problem. I let you know how it ends. As for waiting for a part, if there is a TSB out on this how come no Sequoia owners were notified. Supposedly the TSB was out for months.
The Sequoia will be 300+ h.p. within a year or so, probably as an option like on Yukons. I think when this happens you will see tow ratings up by 1000-1500 lbs. as Sequoia has necessary axle ratio, weight, frame, tranny and suspension to handle more.
I did not say Sequoia's don't have warranty issues. I did say they have less and of less severity. When you read the other forums this becomes obvious.
There are 7 TSBs listed here for the 2001 Sequoia (I selected the 2WD 4dr SUV (4.7L 8cyl 4A) model). You can see the summaries in the Edmunds Maintenance Guide.
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Just read through them an none pertain to AC problem. He is going to be calling me back this afternoon and I will ask him for number of TSB. I have a feeling it is newly issued, since this problem has caught them by surprize. There are other Sequoia owners that I have spoken to on other forums having exact same problem with 2001 and 2002 Sequoia's. They are all in same boat as me, so eventually Toyota will need to update all Sequoia's via a TSB or be replacing many compressor which they don't have.
I have been at this for two weeks and the only reason I got a phone call was that I had sent certified letters to President Toyota USA, GM of dealership and Toyota Regional Rep detailing my problem, their lack of customer care to that problem and me seeking a "Lemon" Law case to that problem. I stated Toyota builds a great car and truck, but they have much to learn about customer service and not being such an arrogant company.
Just so you know no car makers send TSBs to the owners. Only recalls are sent to owners. TSBs are only for dealers if they happen to come across a problem that the TSB refers to it explains how to fix or a replacement part for the problem.
There is a new Tundra on the way that should be able to handle 5th wheel hauling duties. I had not heard the Duramax rumor, but I know there will be a one ton and possibly a 3/4 ton. The wheel base will be extended a good bit and there is a new V8 coming. I have heard rumors ranging from this fall as a 2003 to fall of 2004 as a 2005 model year for the introduction of this. If I hear more, I'll post it.
In last months Motor Trend there was a tidbit detailing that the new 3/4 Ton Tundra would be available with a 5.4L V8. I thought they said 2004. The Sequoia would be this engine option in 2005, but the current 4.7 would be beefed up in 2003 to 270-280 hp.
I have a 02 Sequoia 2WD Limited with upgraded stereo. There is an engine speed sensitive noise coming from the rear speakers that sounds like it is ignition. It can be heard on FM but is more pronounced on AM.
Dealer has replaced radio, amplifier and checked ground on all speakers to no avail. Service manager says he can do nothing more to help me. This, of course, was warmly received by me and a call was placed to Toyota customer service and I am supposed to be contacted by a rep in the near future.
Has anyone had this experience and had it fixed? If so, how???
On the issue about the engine noise coming thru the speakers, tell them to check one place we've encountered shorts... there is a ground wire located at the firewall (bolts to the rear of the cylinder head just below the valve cover (about an 8-10 inch wire) that can transmit noise from motor to firewall.. and into cabin. Has to be re-located to eliminate this problem.
714cut: on your statement "I could be proven wrong but I bet the Sequoia would score much higher. The numbers you posted seem consistent with Consumer Reports and the Sequoia scored much higher than the Yukon there as well."
Popular Mechanics has the same Owner's Report for the Sequoia. Unfortunately I no longer have my issues from last year. I think a comparison of the owner's report for both vehicles would be quite interesting. I believe the equivalent report for the Sequoia was either in the July 2001 or Nov 2001 issues. Somebody have their past issues and want to post a comparison to the Yukon's results posted above?
On your other comment "I did not say Sequoia's don't have warranty issues. I did say they have less and of less severity. When you read the other forums this becomes obvious."
I think the number of issues on the Sequoia posted on this forum are of equal concern to any posted for the GM or Ford F/S SUVs. Particularly given the substantially lower volumes of Sequoia, 10 fold less than GM for last year alone that are actually sold and probably 100's of times less than are actually on the road.
number of posters on edmunds' cannot be used to judge number of problems. one can speculate that more than 99% of actual truck owners never post to forums such as edmunds. why ? they are too busy enjoying their vehicles to be bothered, or are spending far too much time drinking coffee from paper cups at their favorite dealership service center while having their vehicle fixed...., or have real jobs
sequoia's and tahoes, and all vehicles have problems, some more severe than others, but problems nonetheless....
Great point regarding all vehicles having problems. In my opinion, a car (or SUV) is a problem waiting to happen. That is why I lean more towards reliability so I can decrease my chances of liability down the road.
In post 5323, Host (Steve) linked to Edmunds maintenance pages, on which there are 7 TSBs listed for the 2001 for the Sequioia... none appeared to be "mission critical" issues (IMO): high beam indicators, inserting the hitch cover... there was one where the power rear window activated spontaneously....
Given the controversy that has arisin over "Toyota quality" in some of the past posts on this board, I was curious and looked up various competitors 2001 MY F/S SUVs (GMC/Ford/Lincoln)... they averaged 3-7 recalls (Sequoia had none) and 35-45 TSBs (Sequoia had 7). Many of the recalls/TSBs dealt with conditions that would be life or vehicle threatening (seat belt attachment cracking, loose wheel well plugs allowing exhaust fumes into the passgr compartment, faulty wiring that could lead to fires, etc).
All I can say is, yes, my Sequoia has a few things that might have been better engineered or that annoy me... but I am very happy I made the choice I did!
Thank you. Yow! I knew it was bad on The Dark Side, but really. SEVEN RECALLS? FORTY-FIVE TSBs? LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS? I'm glad I paid a little extra for quality instead of for the geegaws.
Other than the reliability issue, safety is high on my list. I was impressed with the offset crash test for the Tundra, the Sequoia being based on the Tundra (Tundra 1st, GM 2nd & Ford a sickening 3rd) http://www.hwysafety.org/crash/ctve.htm I recently saw the frontal crash test for the Sequoia. The Sequoia received 4 Stars (out of 5) for the Driver and 5 Stars for the Passenger. I scrolled up to the Tahoe/Denali...3 stars for the Driver with a note "high likelihood of thigh injury", and 4 Stars for the Passenger. I don't even question the choice. My wife and boys safety is worth any difference I would pay for the Sequoia. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/
Thanks for the useful links you have provided. Much appreciated. With all due respect, I believe the comparisons and info provided belong on this board. It is also very useful information. I don't want to necessarily have to go to other boards to get info about the Sequoia and its competitors.
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I'm in complete agreement, it got so far off the informative path for a while I quit reading. It's nice to be back getting straight forward information about Sequoias! This is the Toyota Sequoia Board.
At alldata.com the number of TSB's for a Sequoia is 7 and the number for a Yukon is 85. And as pointed out earlier, the ones for the Yukon have been of a greater severity.
steve: on your recommendation "How about, compare away, but try to keep the main focus on the Sequoia."
Should that be interpreted to mean that comparisons are welcome here so long as they show the Sequoia to be the best vehicle that any manufacturer has ever made since the start of time and all other vehicles must be inferior:)?
After viewing this board for awhile it sure seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about Toyota. I think everyone can agree that they (for the most part) don't offer the largest engines, most horsepower or most torque in the categories they compete in. What they do offer is a historically high build quality, historically high reliability and excellent resale values. To some buyers this is more important than owning the largest displacement engine and trying as hard as possible to move a HUGE SUV like a fast sports car down the road.
Some buyers in this segment realize they are not getting a performance machine whenever they purchase a large SUV like the Yukon/Sequoia/Expedition. They just accept that 0-60 times in under 7 seconds are for the sports sedan (or sports car) segment and move on. For my wife an I, we are buying the Sequoia to haul our children around town and on trips. Safety and reliability are at the top of our list. The last thing I want to do is motor down the road as fast as possible in a HUGE piece of metal and put my children in further jeopardy.
Offering the latest Bells and Whistles is another area that Toyota typically falls below average whereas the American car manufacturers excel. Many people will sacrifice not having these accessory items to have a better chance at a more reliable vehicle that is put together better than most others.
As for 4WD systems go, very few will ever take their full size SUV's off roading in areas where 4WD is required. Most who purchase the 4WD/AWD option will need it to help stay in control through adverse weather conditions while driving on pavement. All these 4WD/AWD systems (Ford, GMC, Chevy, Toyota, etc.) will work fine to do just this. For myself and 80% of the SUV purchasing community in Southern California, 2WD is all we need (and buy). As a note, I went up to Mammoth Mountain in a friends 4WD SR5 Toyota Sequoia this winter and it handled like a champ through 2 feet of snow.
If you don't like the Toyota Sequoia or don't believe in Toyota products then don't buy one. Not everyone holds the HP/Torque factor as high as you do (although many do). It is obviously what you were looking for so you have made the best choice for you. I wish you the best with your vehicle as I hope you would do the same for me.
Does anyone know of any online source of pictures of a cloth interior, and of the standard wheels (not alloys) that come on the SR5? Toyota's web site is pitiful as is their print brochure. Thanks.
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I was able to talk my dealer down to $600 over invoice on new Sequoia, here in Chicago...I was rather surprised, considering the TMV from Edmunds was $1600 over invoice for my vehicle. I would like to hear what others have heard about what other people have been paying. Everyones comments welcome!!
heatmiser1: interesting comments in #5352. Off the mark, but interesting none-the-less. As Steve pointed out I own a Toyota and would buy another Avalon without hesitation.
In fact, I challenge you to pick one post....no...even a single sentence that would suggest I don't like Toyotas or for that matter the Sequoia. I've openly pointed out what I see as the strengths of the Sequoia and for that matter the weakness of the vehicle I own. And the inverse.
What appears strange is the desire to walk in the darkness I see on this forum and the speed with which some Sequoia owner's have openly "eaten their own young" at the first sign of someone that owns a Sequoia openly expressing their disatisfaction.
The Sequoia is a solid vehicle with many strengths and deficiencies that can be expected of a new model. Its far from perfect and my guess is that Toyota will correct those deficiencies faster than GM or Ford would have.
It IS my view that its overpriced, overweight and underpowered for the mission its trying to achieve. All of which I am confident Toyota will address. When they do, its going to be a tough competitor to the entrenched domestic products, however I'm looking forward to being in line to check the new Sequoia out when they do.
That you would state you have never written a single sentence that you don't like the Sequoia and then later in the same post say it's "overpriced, overweight and underpowered". Sounds like you really like it!
Heatwave3 - I must have misinterpretted your past posts and construed that you have a chip on your shoulder about Toyota. I take that back.
However, it does seem like you have a calling in life to antagonize people on this Sequoia forum. You do bring up some good points but are sometime overly aggressive, anatagonistic and derogatory to people who have purchased a Sequoia (read your past posts). It is almost like you want to convince people who own the Sequoia feel like they made the wrong choice. This is how I view things judging from the tone and content of your posts. If I am misinterpretting this I apologize in advance. However, I am sure I am not the only one that feels this way.
Below I have listed some posts that contain comments from you that either put down the Sequoia, their owners or Toyota in general. Some are facts that I agree with you on while others remain subjective which is left to the individual to decide what is best for them.
I too realize the Sequoia is not void of any issues and is prone to having problems as all vehicles do. However, Toyota's proven (not just marketing as you state in one post) reliability does stand higher than GMC/Chevy/Ford/Dodge whether you like it or not. I believe in quality not quantity so telling me that GMC outsells Toyota full size SUV's means nothing to me.
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4645 4662 4766 4773 4779 4789 4798 - BTW I did test drive the Denali - very powerful and smooth SUV but I did not like the interior nor the price. Also checked out the Yukon (comparable price range to 2WD Sequoia) and felt the interior looked like circa 1970 (as did Denali) and build quality was not up to my level for a vehicle at this price. 5078 5089 5098 5121
I am glad you are happy with your Denali purchase and hope you have trouble free enjoyment from it. We all at this forum know you made the right decision for you. I hope you would wish all of us the same on our Sequoia purchases as well since we know we made the right decision for us.
My Sequoia is presently sitting in the service department of the dealership while they try to figure out why it won't start. I have previously posted regarding this problem and originally thought that it was due to a key code recognition problem. It turns out that it is not due to the key/security system at all. The vehicle refuses to start after sitting all night in the driveway if the temperature goes below about 5 degrees celcius (hence there is frost on the wind shield). When the temperature warms up, usually around 10:00 or 11:00 AM, it starts on the first crank. The dealership is putting various parts in the freezer one at a time in an effort to narrow it down since the code that comes up on the diagnostic machine is just a general "error" code. I hope that they figure this out soon and that I can return the white Echo that they were gracious enough to give me as a loaner. It comes in really handy when I want to go anywhere with my wife and FOUR boys! I'll keep you all posted.
714cut: suggesting the Sequoia is overpriced, overweight and underpowered is far from an attack on the Sequoia. Many vehicles fit that bill and my views on power are from a guy that's towed for 20 years, so I am not sure any amount of power will ever be enough for me.
As I've said many times before, the Sequoia's a fine vehicle that obviously serves the needs of its owners very well. Suggesting it has no room for improvement, (which its not an uncommon sentiment here), will result in just that...Toyota making no improvements.
Are there any Sequoia owner's that wouldn't have preferred 50-80 more hp with the same fuel economy, for the vehicle to lose 400lbs in weight, or thought it would have been more competitively priced at about $4k less than the out-the-door price they paid? Particularly given some of the "little" things that have missed the mark from a quality pov which is what you spent the extra $4k buying in the first place.
Well, if Toyota doesn't hear those views from you all on this forum you can count on the next Sequoia having 240hp, weighing in at 5500lbs and costing $50K the next time you're shopping for one.
heatmiser1: no apologizes needed on your part. I encourage you to go back and read the posts I've provided. Most of the time they are factual and presented in a matter-of-fact manner. Both the good and bad facts and opinions of mine on both the Sequoia and other makes.
However when those facts and opinions are presented with an "edge", you need to generally read the post that I am replying to. Generally, you'll find I deliver the "facts" with as much respect and attitude as was shown to me.
Although, I'll be the first to admit, I rarely give any "quarter" to those that show little respect towards me to start with. For those that are looking for a civil, unemotional sharing of the facts and want an honest opinion, it'll be delivered with the utmost respect and civility that it was sought in.
If you think there's a post of mine or a quote of mine that doesn't fit this description, I'd be most interested in you pointing it out to me.
A follow up to my post of 5245: My 2WD LTD Sequoia is still ticking. The Dealer said that the ticking is classed as normal engine noise (banging of metal against metal is normal) and that there is nothing that he can do. Called Customer no-service and spoke to Paul C. He informed me that the ticking sound was the superior Toyota engineering I had heard so much about. I got a second opinion from another local dealer,he said there is not a solution for the ticking problem. They are to class it as normal engine noise to cover themselves in case of arbitration, lawsuits,lemon laws and determined customers.
I have one more trip to the dealership for a fix scheduled. I own this ticking bomb outright and currently have it up for sale. Can someone give me a clue as how to hide the ticking noise from potential buyers. Toyota hid it from me for 20,000 miles. Also the a/c compressor problem is real,the 2nd dealer had three trucks down with back ordered compressors. In my opinion the Sequoia is not worth the premium paid over other competitors.
The only bright spot is my wife will now get a Honda Odyssey. I guess I will start lurking around the Odyssey chat rooms. Those discussions by heatwave on the Denali vs Honda Odyssey should be interesting.
My Sequoia is presently sitting in the service department of the dealership while they try to figure out why it won't start. I have previously posted regarding this problem and originally thought that it was due to a key code recognition problem. It turns out that it is not due to the key/security system at all. The vehicle refuses to start after sitting all night in the driveway if the temperature goes below about 5 degrees celcius (hence there is frost on the wind shield). When the temperature warms up, usually around 10:00 or 11:00 AM, it starts on the first crank. The dealership is putting various parts in the freezer one at a time in an effort to narrow it down since the code that comes up on the diagnostic machine is just a general "error" code. I hope that they figure this out soon and that I can return the white Echo that they were gracious enough to give me as a loaner. It comes in really handy when I want to go anywhere with my wife and FOUR boys! I'll keep you all posted.
714cut: Actually, I've provided several posts on this forum sharing my dislikes or disappointments about the Denali XL. I'll share them in a moment, but I want to clarify your statement regarding the price of the Sequoia vs the Denali XL in the US.
I can't speak for the price differences in Canada but in the US a DXL is about $2500 more than a loaded Sequoia Limited when comparing the final price of the two vehicles (not taking into consideration the discounted financing and rebates from GM). And a regular Denali will likely go out the door for less than a Sequoia Limited.
You have a good point on the weight of the Denali XL, however the AWD system combined with the 320hp of the 6.0L is worth everybit of the weight in exchange. Although I'd be the first to admit if I could have the power and awd with the weight of a 1500 Suburban (which is less than a Sequoia) I'd go for it in a minute.
On your comments "Heatwave you are in denial about your comments on this forum. Have you ever thought about how you come across?".
Not in denial and quite aware of my remarks and my tone. You'll find them directly proportional to the respect and civility they are responding to. Interesting how those complaining about my comments have not posted those they find offensive. Its likely because they know I'll share the posts they were in response to.
Keep it respectful, factual or at least balanced in opinion and it'll be responded to in kind.
Finally...dislikes of the Denali XL after 19,000 and 16 months ownership....NONE....only kidding:)
1) Actually, I and many previous owners are disappointed in the redesign that reduced the amount of leg space in the second row over previous versions. Its ridiculous for a vehicle this size to have as little leg room as is provided if the front seats are moved fully rearward.
2) Fuel economy is at the posted 13mpg but I wish it were better. Not surprising given a 6.0L engine pushing 5800lbs but I know GM can do better.
3) There's no reason not to have a shoulder safety belt in both the second and third rows center seats. I believe the Sequoia has it in both rows and there's no excuse for GM not having it as well.
4) There's no reason they couldn't have provided the DXL with a 4wd lo gear. It wouldn't be used often, possibly never but its a worthwhile insurance policy.
5) If Stabilitrak (re VSC in the Sequoia) is a safety feature for the Cadillac version there's no reason to prevent GMC owners from paying for the safety advatages of this system in the Denali.
6) I'm not a big fan of the body cladding although many others like it so its just my aesthetic opinion.
7) Why can't I have a real Nav system like the Lexus instead of the lame On-Star system. (Too many lawyers I suspect trying to avoid lawsuits from distracted drivers)
8) For $44K I think the vehicle should have had HID headlights.
There is a tremendous list of positives but I'll leave it at the list of disappointments since that's what you asked for.
This is the 2nd message in recent days complaining about Toyota's customer service. One thing to remember when calling customer service is that you are dealing with a person at most making $7.00 per hour. They have very limited empowerment, so when there's no resolve, you get frustrated, and the service rep unfortunately is more concerned about the 50 calls in cue. Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea to call customer service, however once you realize they cannot help you, don't waste your time. Also, if you ask for a manager, in most cases they'll pass you over to another customer service rep. lbmike1 sent certified letters to the brass, not a bad idea if you want the attention of those who can help. Sounds like Toyota got a shipment of bad compressors. I have not heard much about the "Ticking" noise issue. Anyone else having this problem? My Sequoia is due in a couple months so I have no experiences to report. I did notice on a test drive that the engine sounded somewhat like a "diesel"....wonder if this is a sign of things to come.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but yours are getting old. People come to this forum to because of their interest in the Toyota Sequoia, and your comments are (sometimes) on the verge of insulting. Is anyone out there interested in heatwave's opinions on why he feels the Sequoia is "overpriced" or "underpowered". Anyone? I would appreciate if you would save your opinions for the Sequoia vs. Denali forum and if I'm interested, I know where to go. I probably will, your comments do amuse me, and on occasion educational. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing about the Denali That's actually the first time I've seen you list your dislikes of the vehicle and I follow the board quite closely.
There is more than $8000 difference canadian for a Denali XL vs. a Sequoia Limited. This is website to website. Obviously real world could/would be different than that.
I think HID will be more and more common over the next few years. It is vastly superior- I wish I had it. Have you checked out the Philips lighting forum? Very smart and technical people discussing lighting and of course HID lighting. You may want to consider Philips Vision plus bulbs. The lighting forum people unanimously agree that they are the best halogen bulbs you can buy. Stay away from PIAA bulbs. Vision plus claim 50% more light. I ordered some and they just arrived. Will post when I try them out.
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We don't show any TSBs for the 2002 Sequoia yet, which is what lbimike1 drives, I think. But Alldata.com is showing 4 for one '02 model Sequoia.
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I have been at this for two weeks and the only reason I got a phone call was that I had sent certified letters to President Toyota USA, GM of dealership and Toyota Regional Rep detailing my problem, their lack of customer care to that problem and me seeking a "Lemon" Law case to that problem. I stated Toyota builds a great car and truck, but they have much to learn about customer service and not being such an arrogant company.
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Dealer has replaced radio, amplifier and checked ground on all speakers to no avail. Service manager says he can do nothing more to help me. This, of course, was warmly received by me and a call was placed to Toyota customer service and I am supposed to be contacted by a rep in the near future.
Has anyone had this experience and had it fixed? If so, how???
Thank you in advance for your help!
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How is that from most others????? Good I hope...everyone ring in here with your opinion.
Popular Mechanics has the same Owner's Report for the Sequoia. Unfortunately I no longer have my issues from last year. I think a comparison of the owner's report for both vehicles would be quite interesting. I believe the equivalent report for the Sequoia was either in the July 2001 or Nov 2001 issues. Somebody have their past issues and want to post a comparison to the Yukon's results posted above?
On your other comment "I did not say Sequoia's don't have warranty issues. I did say they have less and of less severity. When you read the other forums this becomes obvious."
I think the number of issues on the Sequoia posted on this forum are of equal concern to any posted for the GM or Ford F/S SUVs. Particularly given the substantially lower volumes of Sequoia, 10 fold less than GM for last year alone that are actually sold and probably 100's of times less than are actually on the road.
number of posters on edmunds' cannot be used to judge number of problems. one can speculate that more than 99% of actual truck owners never post to forums such as edmunds. why ? they are too busy enjoying their vehicles to be bothered, or are spending far too much time drinking coffee from paper cups at their favorite dealership service center while having their vehicle fixed...., or have real jobs
sequoia's and tahoes, and all vehicles have problems, some more severe than others, but problems nonetheless....
I agree wholeheartedly, but shouldn't your post have been directed to 714cut instead of me?
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Given the controversy that has arisin over "Toyota quality" in some of the past posts on this board, I was curious and looked up various competitors 2001 MY F/S SUVs (GMC/Ford/Lincoln)... they averaged 3-7 recalls (Sequoia had none) and 35-45 TSBs (Sequoia had 7). Many of the recalls/TSBs dealt with conditions that would be life or vehicle threatening (seat belt attachment cracking, loose wheel well plugs allowing exhaust fumes into the passgr compartment, faulty wiring that could lead to fires, etc).
All I can say is, yes, my Sequoia has a few things that might have been better engineered or that annoy me... but I am very happy I made the choice I did!
I recently saw the frontal crash test for the Sequoia. The Sequoia received 4 Stars (out of 5) for the Driver and 5 Stars for the Passenger. I scrolled up to the Tahoe/Denali...3 stars for the Driver with a note "high likelihood of thigh injury", and 4 Stars for the Passenger. I don't even question the choice. My wife and boys safety is worth any difference I would pay for the Sequoia. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/ncap/
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With all due respect, I believe the comparisons and info provided belong on this board. It is also very useful information. I don't want to necessarily have to go to other boards to get info about the Sequoia and its competitors.
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How about, compare away, but try to keep the main focus on the Sequoia.
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Should that be interpreted to mean that comparisons are welcome here so long as they show the Sequoia to be the best vehicle that any manufacturer has ever made since the start of time and all other vehicles must be inferior:)?
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Some buyers in this segment realize they are not getting a performance machine whenever they purchase a large SUV like the Yukon/Sequoia/Expedition. They just accept that 0-60 times in under 7 seconds are for the sports sedan (or sports car) segment and move on. For my wife an I, we are buying the Sequoia to haul our children around town and on trips. Safety and reliability are at the top of our list. The last thing I want to do is motor down the road as fast as possible in a HUGE piece of metal and put my children in further jeopardy.
Offering the latest Bells and Whistles is another area that Toyota typically falls below average whereas the American car manufacturers excel. Many people will sacrifice not having these accessory items to have a better chance at a more reliable vehicle that is put together better than most others.
As for 4WD systems go, very few will ever take their full size SUV's off roading in areas where 4WD is required. Most who purchase the 4WD/AWD option will need it to help stay in control through adverse weather conditions while driving on pavement. All these 4WD/AWD systems (Ford, GMC, Chevy, Toyota, etc.) will work fine to do just this. For myself and 80% of the SUV purchasing community in Southern California, 2WD is all we need (and buy). As a note, I went up to Mammoth Mountain in a friends 4WD SR5 Toyota Sequoia this winter and it handled like a champ through 2 feet of snow.
If you don't like the Toyota Sequoia or don't believe in Toyota products then don't buy one. Not everyone holds the HP/Torque factor as high as you do (although many do). It is obviously what you were looking for so you have made the best choice for you. I wish you the best with your vehicle as I hope you would do the same for me.
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In fact, I challenge you to pick one post....no...even a single sentence that would suggest I don't like Toyotas or for that matter the Sequoia. I've openly pointed out what I see as the strengths of the Sequoia and for that matter the weakness of the vehicle I own. And the inverse.
What appears strange is the desire to walk in the darkness I see on this forum and the speed with which some Sequoia owner's have openly "eaten their own young" at the first sign of someone that owns a Sequoia openly expressing their disatisfaction.
The Sequoia is a solid vehicle with many strengths and deficiencies that can be expected of a new model. Its far from perfect and my guess is that Toyota will correct those deficiencies faster than GM or Ford would have.
It IS my view that its overpriced, overweight and underpowered for the mission its trying to achieve. All of which I am confident Toyota will address. When they do, its going to be a tough competitor to the entrenched domestic products, however I'm looking forward to being in line to check the new Sequoia out when they do.
Sounds like you really like it!
(sorry - inside joke for the I Don't Like SUVs, Why Do You? crowd).
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However, it does seem like you have a calling in life to antagonize people on this Sequoia forum. You do bring up some good points but are sometime overly aggressive, anatagonistic and derogatory to people who have purchased a Sequoia (read your past posts). It is almost like you want to convince people who own the Sequoia feel like they made the wrong choice. This is how I view things judging from the tone and content of your posts. If I am misinterpretting this I apologize in advance. However, I am sure I am not the only one that feels this way.
Below I have listed some posts that contain comments from you that either put down the Sequoia, their owners or Toyota in general. Some are facts that I agree with you on while others remain subjective which is left to the individual to decide what is best for them.
I too realize the Sequoia is not void of any issues and is prone to having problems as all vehicles do. However, Toyota's proven (not just marketing as you state in one post) reliability does stand higher than GMC/Chevy/Ford/Dodge whether you like it or not. I believe in quality not quantity so telling me that GMC outsells Toyota full size SUV's means nothing to me.
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4798 - BTW I did test drive the Denali - very powerful and smooth SUV but I did not like the interior nor the price. Also checked out the Yukon (comparable price range to 2WD Sequoia) and felt the interior looked like circa 1970 (as did Denali) and build quality was not up to my level for a vehicle at this price.
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I am glad you are happy with your Denali purchase and hope you have trouble free enjoyment from it. We all at this forum know you made the right decision for you. I hope you would wish all of us the same on our Sequoia purchases as well since we know we made the right decision for us.
Enjoy!!!
figure out why it won't start. I have previously posted regarding this problem and originally
thought that it was due to a key code recognition problem. It turns out that it is not due
to the key/security system at all. The vehicle refuses to start after sitting all night in the
driveway if the temperature goes below about 5 degrees celcius (hence there is frost on
the wind shield). When the temperature warms up, usually around 10:00 or 11:00 AM, it
starts on the first crank. The dealership is putting various parts in the freezer one at a
time in an effort to narrow it down since the code that comes up on the diagnostic
machine is just a general "error" code. I hope that they figure this out soon and that I can
return the white Echo that they were gracious enough to give me as a loaner. It comes in
really handy when I want to go anywhere with my wife and FOUR boys! I'll keep you all
posted.
As I've said many times before, the Sequoia's a fine vehicle that obviously serves the needs of its owners very well. Suggesting it has no room for improvement, (which its not an uncommon sentiment here), will result in just that...Toyota making no improvements.
Are there any Sequoia owner's that wouldn't have preferred 50-80 more hp with the same fuel economy, for the vehicle to lose 400lbs in weight, or thought it would have been more competitively priced at about $4k less than the out-the-door price they paid? Particularly given some of the "little" things that have missed the mark from a quality pov which is what you spent the extra $4k buying in the first place.
Well, if Toyota doesn't hear those views from you all on this forum you can count on the next Sequoia having 240hp, weighing in at 5500lbs and costing $50K the next time you're shopping for one.
heatmiser1: no apologizes needed on your part. I encourage you to go back and read the posts I've provided. Most of the time they are factual and presented in a matter-of-fact manner. Both the good and bad facts and opinions of mine on both the Sequoia and other makes.
However when those facts and opinions are presented with an "edge", you need to generally read the post that I am replying to. Generally, you'll find I deliver the "facts" with as much respect and attitude as was shown to me.
Although, I'll be the first to admit, I rarely give any "quarter" to those that show little respect towards me to start with. For those that are looking for a civil, unemotional sharing of the facts and want an honest opinion, it'll be delivered with the utmost respect and civility that it was sought in.
If you think there's a post of mine or a quote of mine that doesn't fit this description, I'd be most interested in you pointing it out to me.
I have one more trip to the dealership for a fix scheduled. I own this ticking bomb outright and currently have it up for sale. Can someone give me a clue as how to hide the ticking noise from potential buyers. Toyota hid it from me for 20,000 miles. Also the a/c compressor problem is real,the 2nd dealer had three trucks down with back ordered compressors. In my opinion the Sequoia is not worth the premium paid over other competitors.
The only bright spot is my wife will now get a Honda Odyssey. I guess I will start lurking around the Odyssey chat rooms. Those discussions by heatwave on the Denali vs Honda Odyssey should be interesting.
figure out why it won't start. I have previously posted regarding this problem and originally
thought that it was due to a key code recognition problem. It turns out that it is not due
to the key/security system at all. The vehicle refuses to start after sitting all night in the
driveway if the temperature goes below about 5 degrees celcius (hence there is frost on
the wind shield). When the temperature warms up, usually around 10:00 or 11:00 AM, it
starts on the first crank. The dealership is putting various parts in the freezer one at a
time in an effort to narrow it down since the code that comes up on the diagnostic
machine is just a general "error" code. I hope that they figure this out soon and that I can
return the white Echo that they were gracious enough to give me as a loaner. It comes in
really handy when I want to go anywhere with my wife and FOUR boys! I'll keep you all
posted.
I can't speak for the price differences in Canada but in the US a DXL is about $2500 more than a loaded Sequoia Limited when comparing the final price of the two vehicles (not taking into consideration the discounted financing and rebates from GM). And a regular Denali will likely go out the door for less than a Sequoia Limited.
You have a good point on the weight of the Denali XL, however the AWD system combined with the 320hp of the 6.0L is worth everybit of the weight in exchange. Although I'd be the first to admit if I could have the power and awd with the weight of a 1500 Suburban (which is less than a Sequoia) I'd go for it in a minute.
On your comments "Heatwave you are in denial about your comments on this forum. Have you ever thought about how you come across?".
Not in denial and quite aware of my remarks and my tone. You'll find them directly proportional to the respect and civility they are responding to. Interesting how those complaining about my comments have not posted those they find offensive. Its likely because they know I'll share the posts they were in response to.
Keep it respectful, factual or at least balanced in opinion and it'll be responded to in kind.
Finally...dislikes of the Denali XL after 19,000 and 16 months ownership....NONE....only kidding:)
1) Actually, I and many previous owners are disappointed in the redesign that reduced the amount of leg space in the second row over previous versions. Its ridiculous for a vehicle this size to have as little leg room as is provided if the front seats are moved fully rearward.
2) Fuel economy is at the posted 13mpg but I wish it were better. Not surprising given a 6.0L engine pushing 5800lbs but I know GM can do better.
3) There's no reason not to have a shoulder safety belt in both the second and third rows center seats. I believe the Sequoia has it in both rows and there's no excuse for GM not having it as well.
4) There's no reason they couldn't have provided the DXL with a 4wd lo gear. It wouldn't be used often, possibly never but its a worthwhile insurance policy.
5) If Stabilitrak (re VSC in the Sequoia) is a safety feature for the Cadillac version there's no reason to prevent GMC owners from paying for the safety advatages of this system in the Denali.
6) I'm not a big fan of the body cladding although many others like it so its just my aesthetic opinion.
7) Why can't I have a real Nav system like the Lexus instead of the lame On-Star system. (Too many lawyers I suspect trying to avoid lawsuits from distracted drivers)
8) For $44K I think the vehicle should have had HID headlights.
There is a tremendous list of positives but I'll leave it at the list of disappointments since that's what you asked for.
Was that long enough for you?:)
Sounds like Toyota got a shipment of bad compressors. I have not heard much about the "Ticking" noise issue. Anyone else having this problem?
My Sequoia is due in a couple months so I have no experiences to report. I did notice on a test drive that the engine sounded somewhat like a "diesel"....wonder if this is a sign of things to come.
I would appreciate if you would save your opinions for the Sequoia vs. Denali forum and if I'm interested, I know where to go. I probably will, your comments do amuse me, and on occasion educational. Thank you.
That's actually the first time I've seen you list your dislikes of the vehicle and I follow the board quite closely.
There is more than $8000 difference canadian for a Denali XL vs. a Sequoia Limited. This is website to website. Obviously real world could/would be different than that.
I think HID will be more and more common over the next few years. It is vastly superior- I wish I had it. Have you checked out the Philips lighting forum? Very smart and technical people discussing lighting and of course HID lighting.
You may want to consider Philips Vision plus bulbs. The lighting forum people unanimously agree that they are the best halogen bulbs you can buy. Stay away from PIAA bulbs. Vision plus claim 50% more light. I ordered some and they just arrived. Will post when I try them out.