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  • shek3shek3 Member Posts: 72
    what do you mean dealer cost may not be possible??? every other website has the dealer invoice for vehicles as well as option costs....am I missing something here?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We don't have the invoice prices yet - don't know why - Tidester asked, but we haven't heard anything from the data guys yet. I think we have them for all (?) the other Toyota models now. We do have TMV for it:


    link


    In case anyone is wondering about "dealer cost" versus "invoice," all we ever get is invoice and the odd incentive. We have holdback info too, but we never really know what other spiffs, kickbacks, floorplans and bonuses there are to the dealer. So who knows what the wholesale cost to the dealer ultimately is.


    Hopefully we'll get the invoice and option prices posted soon.



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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Toyota Sequoia 2003
    Standard Vehicle Description
    SR5 2WD 4dr SUV (4.7L 8cyl 4A)
    SR5 4WD 4dr SUV (4.7L 8cyl 4A)
    Limited 2WD 4dr SUV (4.7L 8cyl 4A)
    Limited 4WD 4dr SUV (4.7L 8cyl 4A)
    Pricing
    MSRP
    31625
    35155
    40200
    43520
    Dealer Invoice
    28145
    31287
    35778
    38514
    Delivery charges
    510
    510
    510
    510
  • truckdudetruckdude Member Posts: 55
    Does the Sequoia not come with a spare tire??? What's with all this towing them to the dealerships because of flat tires?

    Sorry, couldn't resist...
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Not only does it have a spare, if you have a 4x4, it is mounted on an alloy wheel.
  • oac3oac3 Member Posts: 373
    ever tried to remove those from underneath the truck to replace your blown tire ? Give it a try.... When the tire blew on ours with my wife driving, she called me in my office and dressed as I was in suit and tire, it would look comical if I tried getting down on my knees trying to fix the tire. Besides, the spare location and removal looked intimidating to me. Yes, I must admit I cannot even think to get the tire myself. That's why I have insurance.... Let them do something in return for all I pay them monthly or yearly...
  • norwesternernorwesterner Member Posts: 94
    In the 9 years and 99,000 we owned the Jeep we never had a flat tire (knock on wood). The spare was new when we sold the vehicle. The spare sat behind the rear seat in the "storage area" and was quite often in the way. I'm glad to see the spare for the Sequoia underneath and will have no problem dropping the spare and changing the tire if need be and be on our way, with suit and "tire" or without.
  • seqladyseqlady Member Posts: 59
    Unfortunately, I missed the course and never changed a tire or had a flat in almost 30 years of driving. And yes, getting that spare dropped and figuring out how that jack works on such a large beast is very intimidating. No doubt I would never have even been able to get the lug nuts off! Fortunately, the Toyota extended warranty covered the towing; I never had to pay for it at all or put in any claims. I would like to learn how to do this myself in an emergency; just don't want to practice on the beast.
  • shek3shek3 Member Posts: 72
    thanks for the info.........I meant dealer cost on options........the other stuff is readily available....I am trying to compare apples to apples so when I go to the dealer I have the same figures(hopefully) as he does....Mike
  • mulligan2mulligan2 Member Posts: 59
    As long as you have something to kneel on, it is not too hard to get the spare out from under the car. The two difficult steps are 1. figuring out what angle you need to insert the crank into the slot to lower the tire (the manual diagram leaves a bit to be desired)and 2. having the strength to lift the wheel and get it onto the lugs. It is a sweat producing process but it can be done if you do not want to or cannot get help.
  • oac3oac3 Member Posts: 373
    In my 15+ years of driving I have never had to change a flat, so I am real 'green' on stuff like that. To add to the complexity, our Seq rides on American Racing chrome wheels with lug nuts different from factory. Turns out I do not have the right tool to remove the wheels off the truck anyways, even if I could. And yes, norwesterner, in my suit and "tire" it would remain difficult to sweat this tire change out on the side of the road. I am not cut out for it, and I readily admit so...But I am willing to learn, and it appears it is real easy as mulligan2 explained. That's why we are here, to learn from each other too.
  • nv1nv1 Member Posts: 2
    Help! I'm trying to decide whether to buy a 2002 Sequoia or a 2003 Honda Pilot. I would love to hear pros and cons on the Sequoia. When I test drove it, the only con I saw was a major blind spot when I would look back to the right to see if I could change lanes.

    The salesman told me that there was no price increase in the 2003 model, so I am also trying to decide whether to buy a 2002 or 2003. Any suggestions there would also be appreciated.
    Thanks!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Two of my last four flats (since '99) have been on gravel roads (one especially muddy one). It didn't matter where my spare was carried, I got filthy just dealing with the flat one....

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  • navigator3740navigator3740 Member Posts: 279
    So I watch this thread very carefully. Acknowledging Toyota's reputation for quality, I've been waiting for them to build a decent sized SUV that would meet my needs. They're close with this one, but still underpowered, IMO, but the most disappointing thing is that I seem to perceive more problems with the Sequoia by far than I've had with my Fords. Now, I find out no roadside assistance? Geesh....... I've never needed it with my Lincoln. It looks like I would with the Sequoia though, based on what I'm reading.
  • seqladyseqlady Member Posts: 59
    Keep in mind that a flat tire has nothing to do with the reliability of the Sequoia. I totally agree that Toyota should include roadside assistance with their warranty, but to be honest, it probably is rarely needed for any mechanical failure. I for one would never have such confidence in any Ford product.
  • norwesternernorwesterner Member Posts: 94
    The Pilot is a car based vehicle, the Sequoia is a truck based vehicle. The Pilot is a V6, the Sequoia is a V8, these two vehicles don't really belong in the same category, you should be looking at the Highlander for comparison. There is a Pilot vs Highlander board that you can take a look at.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    Norwestener even though two vehicles shouldn't be compared they often are. If you are looking for a seven passenger non-minivan transport that is reliable and with good resale at a reasonable price you are left with the pilot or seqouia. I myself have debated this same question I have driven both and here is my comparison so far

    Sequioa
    Pluses
    Roominess - Much larger than pilot and more room
    Power - Though the v8 and v6 are close in HP the extra torque provided can be felt.
    Style - The seqouia is a very nicely designed and looking truck

    Minuses
    Size - It is a beast way bigger than pilot but it does handle surprisingly well.
    Tire size - 16" on '02 looks like donughts would definately have to put "dubs" on it ;)
    Mileage - significantly worse than pilot
    Price - Comparably equipped about 3-4k more
    Seats - third row must be removed

    Honda Pilot
    Pluses
    Mileage - 17/23 with real world city being 16-18
    third row seat - fold down
    Price - Nicely equipped under 30k in my neck of the woods
    Ride - Very smooth and car like (I am not a truck person)

    Minuses
    Roominess - could be a little tight for 7 adults
    Style - Can we say "ugly" looks like an overgrown CRV
    Dealers - They have a good product and really act like it.

    My decision... Well it depends personally I will probably buy the '03 MDX as It has everything I want for less than a seqouia lmtd. I just don't like the style aspect of the honda but I still almost bought one because it is a quality product. The seqouia was just too big for me and more than I thought my wife would be comfortable driving. If I had the need to tow or do any real off roading I probably would choose the seqouia. I only have a family of four so it is more vehicle than I would need. The honda/acura would just fit us better. If you need size/power choose the seqoiua. If you value ride/handling/ gas mileage pick the honda/acura just my .02
  • norwesternernorwesterner Member Posts: 94
    I couldn't get my wife to drive the LX470 because of the size. I brought home a Sequoia, handed her the keys and told her to drive it. She did, she loved it, we own one. I needed the size for a 4200 pound boat. I liked the size for the safety of her and my two boys. I also like the safety features and the crash test of the mother vehicle, the Tundra. I drove them all, including the Pilot and the MDX. The Sequoia is quiet and has an excellent ride. Don't pass it by without giving it your full attention.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    "more problems with the Sequoia than I've had with my Fords"--there's a whole discussion topic just on Ford Expedition problems with over 160 entries.
    There are over 6000 entries here, most negative comments from non-Sequoia owners. None of us have said the Sequoia is perfect.
    As far as being underpowered I think you'll find that a Sequoia handily out accelerates an Expedition with the larger engine. And probably your navigator, since the navigator weighs more if I'm not mistaken.
    You don't appear to be "very interested in the Sequoia" from your post.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    If I didn't tow I'd be considering the Pilot very seriously. They really are two different animals though in so many ways (many mentioned in previous posts).
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    If you have the Lincoln, why would you be interested in the Sequoia? Or are you just bored today?
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    You have to be kidding. Only 305 posts on the Navigator board? No wonder navigator#### is so bored that he is interested in the Sequoia. How long has Ford been building the Navigator? And still can't get anybody to post on Edmunds.

    One thing I will say about the Navigator, Ford could at least keep the wheel side down on this one. ;-)
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Member Posts: 296
    I looked at both and I am buying a 2002 SR5 Sequoia. The dealer is discounting the truck due to it being a leftover. My decision was finalized mainly due to the added room of the Toyota and the fact that is was a real truck with greater capabilities. The Pilot is nice but is not much of a truck. It is, however, a great family vehicle.
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    Does size matter? Thats really the major difference in these two vehicles. Both are fabulous SUVs that have proven to be highly reliable and desirable in today's market. Ignore anything that NavigatorXXXX says as he's been here before trying to justify (to himself) his purchase of an inferior product. The latest issue of Consumer Reports contains a review of the Sequioa, Pilot and a couple others. Once again the Sequoia is ranked highest amongst the full sized SUVs and THAT is out of the box. Meaning, it doesn't take into account Toyota's much greater reliability!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Both are fabulous SUVs that have proven to be highly reliable

    I can buy that for the Sequoa since it's been out a few years, but the Pilot is just out this year!

    -mike
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    Find me a Honda in the past 5-10 years that hasn't proven to be highly reliable (a re-badged Isuzu Rodeo doesn't count). The Pilot is based on the Acura MDX, which indeed has proven to be highly reliable with the 3.5 V6. I hardly went out on a limb.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    CL trannies.
    I know several die-hard Honda owners who loved their 80s vintage Hondas and hate the reliability of their 90s ones.

    -mike
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    There is a $900.00 increase in the 2003 Sequoia, the salesman is wrong or lying.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    I would consider buying a new '03 instead of the '02 if I were you unless they are giving you a great deal the '03 should be had for no more than 2k more than an 02 but the 02 has a full year of depreciation already. I bought a leftover last summer and regret it because I am getting the trade in value of a 2 yr old car even though I have only owned it a year. Plus the available 17" wheels would make me go for the '03
  • doudoudiddoudoudid Member Posts: 76
    i saw romania offering GENUINE, they said, toyota front/rear all weather mats for sequoia at $59 with no tax and shipping. now here is my question, i tried the costco all weather mat, because it isn't custom made for sequoia, it barely fit 3/4 of the area. is the toyota all weather mat the same size of the toyota carpet mat? it's mail order, so it'll be a lot of trouble returning it and i can't tell the shape and sizes from the photo and info.

    please advice, thanks in advance,
  • pschreckpschreck Member Posts: 524
    The Husky mats are supposed to be nice. Not real cheap though.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Ignore anything that NavigatorXXXX says...

    Let's not make this personal!

    tidester
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  • gkatz1gkatz1 Member Posts: 296
    The dealer is knocking almost $3500 of the sticker. The 03 is increasing $900 this year. That, combined with the lack of significant discounts will most likely push the Sequoia out of my price range. The truck I'm buying is well optioned but, by no means "loaded". So, even though its a year old I'm getting a full-size truck for a hair over $34K. I could spend that on an Explorer. The same truck in a 2001 model still books for almost 32K, so I'm not overly concerned with resale.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    I'm sorry I forgot this isn't an american car lol. I'm used to my 6k first year depreciation :)
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Member Posts: 296
    Funny you brought that up, clpurnell. I've felt the sting of domestic resale value myself. I don't worry anymore since I stay away from them. If you ever want to laugh look at how much an Explorer depreciates after 3-5 years. I'm happy with the purchase of the 2002 Sequoia cause, otherwise, it would be priced too high for me.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    I have the Husky liners (not the mats)in all areas. They are outstanding. The liners curve up around the edges basically protecting all carpeting. The second row liner is one piece, protecting the "hump" in the middle. The rear cargo liner covers the whole cargo area but also becomes a liner for the third row seating as well. They are not cheap but my carpets will look brand new years from now. Where I live there is lots of snow and mud. A good investment I think.
    The one downside is that they don't have "channels" to hold water like mats so Husky mats might be a better choice in the front for some.
  • kinnmankinnman Member Posts: 52
    I purchased the all-weather mats (front & rear) through my dealer for $65 (plus tax). Lowest I could find online was $80, so this sounds like a good price you found. They fit nice, but do leave 1 - 2 inches of carpet exposed between the door sill and the mat. I don't have the carpeted mats, but I'm guessing they are the same size.
  • kinnmankinnman Member Posts: 52
    I second Paisan's comments about Honda's trannies. Know someone first hand who's tranny went out at 50K on their Odyssey, even with the tranny "towing" kit. We now both own Sequoia's and this truck has exceeded our expectations.
    The Pilot is designed for those who need nothing more than a small AWD minivan (ok with 2" more ground clearance), but wouldn't be caught dead driving one. Nothing wrong with this, but if you need a little more SUV, come join the party.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    CR recommends Sequoia:


    link


    I think some better links about the recommendation should be available in a few hours.



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  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The point of resale value just came up and I thought I'd take this chance to tell y'all what I recently discovered. My lease on my Tundra will be up next month and I noticed that my used car department had a 2001 Limited in white sitting on the front line. I thought this might be a good deal for me. I spoke to the UC manager to see how much I could purchase it for. Our dealer policy is to sell used cars to employees at $500 over dead cost on retail units and cost on "wholesale" units but we are limited to two per year. Well, it turns out that with auction fees and transportation and shop charges, we are in this thing for almost $37,000.

    Well, that isn't for me, but it does point out that resale is extremely high. The UC manager seems quite confident that he will have a buyer in the next couple of weeks for it and he will make a profit on it. How much is a 2001 Navigator worth?
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    all you ever talk about is profit!!!...where is the caring, the kindness, the ALTRUISM, where you sell vehicles for less than you paid for them simply because someone less fortunate wants you to do so???...LOL...please don't take that seriously...
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Isn't that what car companies are in business for? :)

    -mike
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I know you too well to not get your meaning. LOL.
  • doudoudiddoudoudid Member Posts: 76
    thanks for replying, i ended up buying the all weather mats from my local dealer who are willing to match that price. after talking on the phone, i went down there to take a look and paid, he asked me did you say $53 or $59? without much preparation + so use to being a honest person, i said $59. so i paid for an order for $58.5 after tax :)

    it's good to know it fit, cos we agreed a 20% re stocking fee if i need to return them.
  • 714cut714cut Member Posts: 355
    check out this article that talks about Ford Explorer and Expedition. A 2 year old Expedition has lost 48% of its value. Interesting article on the effects of domestic discounting and 0% financing.

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/818605.asp#BODY
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Great link 714cut - amazing to read about people trading cars every three months instead of every three years. Wonder if a tulip bust is just around the corner?

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  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    On vehicles that depreciate quickly you generally pay a lot less. My Trooper dropped like a rock, but I paid almost $8K off sticker, so you have to look at where you started from and ended up and take the delta of that for the true depreciation.

    -mike
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    The latest Consumer Reports shows that the Sequoia towing 6200lbs 0-60 MPH absolutely spanked the new Expedition. The Chevrolet Tahoe was just a tick faster than the Sequoia.
  • csd2csd2 Member Posts: 16
    I have a question. I hope it's not the start of a problem. Whenever I put overdrive on I get a weird smell inside the truck. I don't tow anything I only put it on when I am going up hills to get more power or if I need to get more speed to pass on the highway. Let me know what you think. Thanks
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    Slight odor of ammonia? This is common on the Sequoia and is a product of Toyota's achieving ULEV(Ultra-low Emissions Vehicle) certification on the Sequoia. I read a technical document somewhere that described how this ammonia by-product was produced under certain conditions in the catalytic converter. No big deal...
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