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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • sydney6sydney6 Posts: 64
    You're probably right, but they were put there for a reason, maybe partially for aesthetics, but I wouldn't do it.
  • lionahtlionaht Posts: 2
    does one have to get the mercedes navigation cds for different regions or is there a microsoft version or something? wants $135 for it

    if i have a timeport phone can i integrate it with my vehicle?
  • epauerepauer Posts: 4
    $31,900 for a 99 ML320 with 17K miles is a great deal. I would have expected the dealer to want at least $35K for it. The 1999 model does not suffer from many of the problems that plagued the 1998 models, and it also includes ESP.
  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    sidney6: I too was a little concerned about that, at first, but after looking at many different style lamps I chose the Hella Micro DE's because they do offer so much room around the lamp housings for air to flow. It's actually more room then the picture depicts. The affect should be minimal, and as Drew pointed out there have been many people who have made similar modifications, some I might add block it considerably more then my set up.

    Of course the best solution would have been to get the ML 55 bumper assembly too, but I didn't think it was worth $2K.

  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS - 2000 MODELS were cleared out late last year for @ $35K...this was with all the new improved interior and MCS + more.... So I would not necessarily think $31,900 is a good deal on an older 1999 model.

    I think it is a good deal for the dealer to sell it at such a price but I would think twice before doing it... Here is why... In just a few months (or much sooner) we will have official information on the 2002 models with the many improvements over all previous model ML's...Such as Front and Rear Climate controls, Side Air Bag Air Curtains, New Side mirrors with signal markers, new front and rear bumpers, new Bi-xenon headlamps, New Bose Stereo Speaker Configuration, Automatic Power up "AND" down windows, rear 1/4 power window options, Linguatronic options + other comfort features... ALL of this means we will all take a considerable hit on our current "19xx-2001" model values.

    Even if no changes were going to be made, the $31,900 would suggest that the same people who purchased 2000 models at @ $35K would be able to sell them at no loss or even a profit... doubt this seriously... as soon as you drive a vehicle off the lot in this price range you've lost $5K! In addition, the 2001 model are selling close to invoice now in many locations with good negotiation skills. This will soon change to perhaps below invoice as dealers try to clear out 2001 inventory in preparation for the 2002 models. Therefore, you would be better off spending $5K more for a 2001 model now and have full warranty, full maintenance and all the new standard features the 2000+ models have over the 19xx models....

    Finally, we own a 1999 ML430 and am very happy with it but our vehicle with every option M4, Bose, Sky///, metallic brilliant silver is worth about what you might be paying for same year ML320....

    My advice - get a 2000+ model. Your best scenario, as explained above, would be to work a deal on a 2001 ML320 for close to invoice; with all the ++++ of a new vehicle it is well worth the difference... OR wait until the 2001's are being cleared out below invoice and get and even better deal...

    Final Final comments.... just because a dealer asks these prices does not mean you could sell the vehicle yourself for these "high market" prices... they have a very large audience and sometimes an Uneducated Buyer is their Best Customer : )

    Take care - Frank
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    Plus the newer ML's have more insulation and better door seals, hill descent and better off-road capabilities by having a quicker response to wheel spin.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    A friend of mine has gotten a 430 in WA state for ~$1000 over invoice. Seems like people are really worried about the economy, gas or stocks and nobody's buying them SUVs. Now's a really good time to buy.
  • drwagdrwag Posts: 8
    To whom it may concern: the ML 2003 looks similiar the ML 55 AMG, but with twin lights, looks very nice, air suspension, new desing at the back. In the german magazin "geländewagen-suv`s", issue 4/2001, you can see the ML2003, also the coming Porsche Cayenne SUV, a test about the ML 270 CDI, a test about the "unimog 1450", the ultmate offraoder. Don`t know, if they send the journal to USA, ask e-mail "", ask also for the next coming issue in april 11, there would be a comparision test between ML 55 AMG and BMW X5 4.4. The adress of the magazin is: Am Sportplatz 1, D-82041 Deisenhofen/Germany, Fax 089/6132455.
  • ML Friends, within two messages, one phone call and a fax I was able to receive the extended Premium warranty at a price considerably lower than would have been able to purchase here in Florida.

    I don't know if it would be bad Karma to list the name. Email me directly and I will share with you.
  • rockypaulrockypaul Posts: 104
    Been reading this room for a year and I must say that many writers must be in need of an eye exam.
    Why all the need for Higher output bulbs, auxiliary lighting, etc.?

    I drive 38 miles to my office in rain, fog, and 125 inches of snow each year. The only lights on my 99 ML320are the original and factory activated fogs. I have absolutly no problem seeing at night or in heavy fog or snow and I wear bi-focals.

    Are you folks near blind or are these simply vanity installs?
  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    All of the above !!!!!
  • mtsangmtsang Posts: 70
    I just spoke with the MB salesman who sold me a MB before. I asked him about '02 ML - below is what he said....

    Said shipping of '02 will be earlier this year than before. MB will probably begin shipping '02 in August '01. Current '01 allocation will stop in June. "Special Program" (rebate/discounts) will begin in July '01.

    He will mail me with '02 ML features difference. I'll post them if they are not redundant.

  • sydney6sydney6 Posts: 64
    Rockypaul: I agree. I am perfectly happy with the stock lights on my '00320, but I live in a fairly metropolitan area. I don't ususally drive out into the back country at night, but I can see how some would want extra lighting. But it sure seems like the subject has been beaten to death several times over on this forum.

    Bob: I imagine your brakes will be OK, but I would be careful on long downhill runs with a trailer in the desert!
  • I would be discreet about the extended warranty deal as some good-intentioned people in the past had gotten into trouble. I would not mention any names because the local dealership could get jealous and angry when they lose the deal and throw a temper tantrum.
    I probably would mention something non-specific like "I can get this warranty at XYZ price at another dealership" and see if they can match for you. If not, the answer is simple.
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    Any chance you could scan the image and post it?
    I'm curious if they're just showing the MY2002 pictures. The air suspension is not coming out until the full redesign in MY2004 (2003 year introduction)...
  • dietmikedietmike Posts: 7
    Has anyone had any reception or other problems with the upgraded Bose system? Mine is a 01 320 sport. Where is the antenna, in the back windshield? Thanks.
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Sorry that should be a 2001 ML430.
  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    Hi Rolf,

    Thanks for sharing the info. but it is not likely many of us will be able to get the publication in a timely manner. Can you scan a photo such as Ken requested or send a scanned version to Drew so he can post?

    If you can't, can you describe what you mean by "twin headlights"... are you saying a totally new hood and fender arrangement with separate lights such as the E-class? Or are you just referring to a similar looking arrangement to what we currently have on the ML but with distinct interior high low projector beams in a one piece assembly?

    Thanks Again!

  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    I only got mine because at the time, i was just being a law abiding person and did not activate my integrated fogs.

  • atomic80atomic80 Posts: 24
    After much debating whether or not I should have two 4x4's, one truck and one SUV, I decided to instead sell my 2001 ML55 and get a car instead. The ML55 is in the Seattle area and for those of you that are interested, email me at I'll be selling it at fair market value to be discussed via email.

    Photos of my ML55 can be found here:

    Please be aware that those photos were taken at delivery/pickup back in October.

    I'll be ready to actually deliver the ML55 in mid-May for those of you that are wondering.

    Any questions, please email me.


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  • dietmikedietmike Posts: 7
    I believe the "new look" is for the most part the same as you can get now, I did. Its the sport package, M6 on the 320 or the same as the AMG version. My 01 ML320 sport has exactly the same look as the AMG, w/out the engine or red brakes. The front, side and rear styling are exactly the same.
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    Hi guys,

    I contacted Bernhard Weinbacher, Editor in Chief of Geländewagen-Magazin in Munich, to ask for the pictures in question. Basically, these are computer renderings from a design studio, which holds the copyrights. Options to get ahold of the images are collecting money among TH members to purchase copyrights ($$$), or having someone in Germany scan the pics/pages and post them in an online-album.

    In order not to infringe on copyright laws, PLEASE NOBODY POST THE PICTURE/SCANNED PAGES HERE IN TOWNHALL, BUT ONLY IN A PERSONAL ONLINE ALBUM. Access to this album can be posted without getting in trouble, at least this is how I understand the TUO (Drew, pls correct if not so).

  • ometofuometofu Posts: 53
    Don't bother with that picture, it was the same picture that was on some webautomagazine last month or so that Drew discovered the orginal pics of ML55 with cut and paste part from the current E series....
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    That's pretty close to the line, but I believe you're right. Since they're copyrighted, they shouldn't be posted in Town Hall.

    However, as Louis said, it's basically a Euro press picture of the ML55 with Photoshop alterations. ;-)

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  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    Oh, I didn't know that you guys had already seen the (Germany-only) magazine. Well, once again, nothing out there you guys don't already know, what a surprise...:-D

  • As a fellow list reader shared several posts ago...

    discretion is... Always needed when presenting ideas and asking prices between dealers.

    We are all here to share ideas, and save money. Be discreet indeed.

  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    The Linguatronic option for the coming 2002 ML models will accept both phone and radio control commands. This makes it less important to have steering wheel controls when your voice can do same.

    Just FYI - Frank
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Unless I missed something, I don't seem to be able to find Linguatronic on the '02 US M-class order sheets. Ken, do you spot anything US or otherwise?

    I wonder if it's only for the COMAND system, which is not available in North America? That would certainly jive with what is currently available on the MB lineup.

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  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    fender flares - hot or not ?

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