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  • srgksrgk Member Posts: 5
    My Outback has its portion of rattles too:
    - buzzing noise in the dashboard when accelerating (not always);
    - periodically driver's or passanger's window rattles when it's closed;
    - windows squeeks too.

    The front suspension also rattles very noticeably on bumps.

    Looks like Indiana SIA factory has quality control problems.

    --
    Sergey
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Graham-
    I've always thought Subarus would make for excellent emergency vehicles. A few years ago, Subaru offered a police car version of the Legacy for the Indiana police departments. I don't know what ever happened to them. They may(?) still be in use. Recently Italy bought a whole slew of Subarus for police work.

    I would think the new H-6 Outback VDC would make the basis for an excellent police vehicle. De-contented of course: no leather, no moonroofs, etc.; and add (5) high-performance street tires, mount the police roof lights on the roof rack, and you'd have an excellent police vehicle.

    Bob
  • centavocentavo Member Posts: 24
    Locke2c:
    About that $20,000 sportscar, the only one that I would consider is the Integra, an excellent fwd car, very fast and ready to be tuned. But in my family we had one, and suffered the common fwd problem: after 2 years, the point of the axles has to be changed. But no Toyota, Mitsubishi or American car can deliver what the Integra or the Impreza 4wd can: lots of fun and reliability.

    Pat88, my new Forester also has a cracking noise when going over bumps. But in general when I remember my former 98 Blazer this is music. Still I haven't look for the source, but now I have something else to do in the weekend.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I think Subies are great, outside the US. After having test drove the slug of a GT Wagon, I realized that the subaru engineers really designed it to have the 2.0l turbo, not the 2.5 N/A engine. I can't believe I had the money ready to go and after the test drive realized the car had Zero acceleration when loaded. I'm going to send SOA a letter explaining my buying situation, hopefully they will realize that their cars are way underpowered. I realize the H6 is coming, but it may be too little too late.

    -mike shaken by the lack of power... :(
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Pat, I agree with Graham and Drew that the rear swaybar bushings are the first place to look. After that, look at the heat shields for the exhaust. There are many small ones along the length of it between the body and exhaust piping.

    I've got a persistent rattle at low speed and you can see where the shield above the muffler has been rubbing on the muffler canister. I've been meaning to get under their with a dremel and relieve it for some time now...

    -Colin
  • pat88pat88 Member Posts: 40
    Drew- Thank you for the notes about the rattling sounds. It will help when we go to the dealer. Also thank you for the note (#777) about how to position yourself when driving. That was interesting and I am going to try it.

    Graham (#779)- Thank you for the note about what to have checked when we go to the dealer concerning the rattling noise. The information will help us at the dealers and hopefully we will get it fixed!

    A message from my husband...

    I have another question about the drivability of our Forester. When I drive at around town and I am moving at a steady rate (say at 30-35 mph) I feel
    the car surging slightly. It feels as though the engine is doing this. The engine is otherwise very smooth on acceleration and extremely quiet while
    idling.

    This is our first AWD vehicle and I suspect that it is caused by extra drag on the drivetrain. When you press the accelerator just slightly the engine is very responsive and pushes ahead. When you let up just slightly the drivetrain tends to slow you down more than a non-AWD vehicle would do. So I think this is what we notice and there is nothing
    really wrong. What do you think? Should we talk to the dealer about this one as well?

    A message from me...I think it is abnormal. It feels like a chugging motion and it only occurs at speeds of high 20's to mid 30's.

    Thank you for your help!!

    ~~~Pat
  • aling1aling1 Member Posts: 225
    You're very welcome. I can't help you on the surging part, but I can help you with the freewheeling issue.

    You're absolutely correct that the AWD system does cause some drag on the drivetrain, and as such the vehicle doesn't freewheel as readily. However, some AWD vehicles are worst in this respect than others. It depends on the type of AWD system and also on the transmission. Even some 2WD vehicles are better than others at freewheeling. But it's perfectly normal, so don't worry about it. I'd only mention this to the dealership if it gets noticably worse (doubtful).

    Drew
  • oregonmanoregonman Member Posts: 60
    In the Forester with the seat all the way back, my arms are bent more like 90 degrees. If I tilt the seat back to get them to 45, I am leaning back too far for my taste. I prefer to sit almost upright. In my Outback, when I say my arms are almost straight, I would guess a 20 or 30 degree angle. I think this provides plenty of control.

    Don't forget - with an airbag, you are better off further from the wheel when it deploys. I guess height does not tell everything because someone 6'5 said he had enough room in the Forester. I just can't picture how.

    Funny thing, when you are shopping for a car, you look at them more closely when you see them on the road. I noticed that a lot of the Forester drivers I saw were short women. My girlfriend looked at Accord and Camry as well and the Forester provided her with far better visibility and seating position. In the Legacys that do not have height adjustable seats, she couldn't even see over the dashboard.
  • davemcldavemcl Member Posts: 2
    I've owned 3 Legacy L wagons (1990 & two 1992s, one an L+) and generally been quite happy with them. I need to buy something soon (my last '92 was rear-ended) and am seeking advice. If I liked those cars, will I probably like the current Legacy L? My first impressions are that it drives OK but I don't like the driver's seat as well (lumbar support should be adjustable).

    I really liked the '90 best -- it seemed by '92 they had cheapened things a bit (less lighting of controls on the dash, took out rear anti-sway bar [?], etc.). Of course the 2000 is a very different car with some nice new features and some other from the early years missing.

    Overall, I've liked the handling, stability, sense of confidence that comes from the AWD and whatever else they engineer into the car. I don't drive off-road and so don't really need the main Outback features, but the power seat and adjustable lumbar are a draw.

    Any thoughts on this would be appreciated...
  • mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    I've been slogging my way through the past posts and really enjoyed reading how people came to a decision on their car, the other cars they considered and tested, factors in play, etc.

    Anyone more?

    Mary
  • abhidharmaabhidharma Member Posts: 93
    I had a '92 Legacy Touring Wagon that I liked very much.

    The only thing I really dislike about the 2K is the lack of power with the AT, soon to be remedied with the 6 cylinder.

    I like the new cockpit, it flows more organically around the driver, IMO.

    The visibility is not as good out the back, especially if you have to leave the rear middle head rest in place.

    The ride is much more solid and quiet, feels like a move up to a more luxurious car category.

    The only real negative I see for the 2001 with the 6 cylinder is that the pricing may take Subaru more explicitly into that luxury range; I hope SOA doesn't push it.

    Randy
  • torektorek Member Posts: 92
    ... can be caused by tiny bits of grit in the plastic parts that sense whether the hatch is closed properly, according to various posters on the vmag forum. Clean them thoroughly and apply a bit of lightweight bicycle chain grease, which is designed not to collect dust and grit. If that makes the noise go away, that was the problem ... if not, no harm done. :-)
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    On the second tank of gas in my 2001 Forester and loving every minute of it.

    I have noticed something peculiar about the windows lately. All four power windows tilt down on an angle when rolled down fully. The front end of the windows are lower than the rear end of the windows. This is more noticeable in the rear windows since they don't go down all of the way. I am assuming this is normal since all four windows do it. If it is normal does anyone know why?

    95 degree weather in SE PA yesterday. Boy does that air conditioning kick butt. My girl friend made me turn it down because the power of the blower motor was blowing her hair all over the place :) Needless to say, I didn't have any trouble keeping cool in the Forester.

    Any comments about the windows would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Skip
  • deniceedenicee Member Posts: 14
    Does anyone know how many watts the stereo in the Legacy L has? The CD player was too expensive from the dealer and I'm looking to get a new stereo. I would like to know the wattage so I can get an idea when I'm shopping for a new one. Any comments on the best brand to buy?
    Denice
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>I'm going to send SOA a letter explaining my buying situation, hopefully they will realize that their cars are way underpowered. I realize the H6 is coming, but it may be too little too late.<<

    I've always found it strange when a company doesn't boost hp in their sports models as compared to the rest of the model line. That's why I liked my Shadow ES. Many people looked at it and figured that the spoiler and bump on the hood were just for show, but there was a turbo charger under there that made it quite a fun pocket rocket. I don't think that standard Subarus are underpowered, but yeah, the GTs should get some extra oomph.

    >>I can't believe I had the money ready to go and
    after the test drive realized the car had Zero
    acceleration when loaded.<<

    You want zero accelleration? Back in the late 70's I drove my sister in law's automatic Toyota, I think it was a Celica. Anyway, just my brother and me were in it, and I turned onto a highway
    on-ramp at about 30mph, floored the accellerator, and it took about ten seconds before I could tell that we were starting to go faster! Scary.

    Note to Juice: Why did you black out my license plate on your page? I'm proud of that, it's why I posed at the front.

    Dave
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Any Forester owners here have either the interior air filtration system or the side underguard bars? If so:
    (A) Does the filtration system seem to work pretty well? And how often do you really have to change the not-exactly-cheap filters? (I live in a pretty high pollen and high dust area -- Central Texas -- so I'm pretty interested.)
    (B) Do the side underguard bars really do much good? I can see that they might be marginally handy for reaching the roof rack (even though the Forester isn't all that tall), but I'm unclear on whether they'd really do much of anything to protect the sides of the vehicle. (I haven't seen them on an actual Forester, but in Subaru's promo photos, they seem a little low and narrow to afford much protection.)
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The only good they do is make money for Subaru.

    Bob
  • tta3tta3 Member Posts: 5
    Hello, I own a 92 Legacy which is starting to need more work. Have been pretty happy with this car. Now we are looking at a Subaru Outback. I wonder if anyone can help with:
    1. Limited vs. base wagon. Are the leather seats, moon window and other upgrades worth it?
    2. The 92 Legacy developed a smell when the AC was used. I was told that the outflow valve of the AC tended to get mold or mildew. Has this been a problem in last few years, or with Outbacks?
    3. the Legacy rattled and was noisy. How is road noise on the Outback or Outback Limited?
    4. Any advice on noise abatement?
    5. Good dealers in Minnesota?
    6. I think that we saw the 2000 models. When are 2001 models out?
  • abhidharmaabhidharma Member Posts: 93
    Regarding your question #3 -- I had a '92 as well; and there's no comparison with the 2000 model in regard to road noise. The new ones are in a different league, with smoothness and quietness very close to the near luxury class.

    Regarding #2 (air conditioning mold or mildew) -- this is pretty typical of all older cars, IMO, not just Subarus, especially in places (like Minnesota or Manitoba) where the AC isn't used for months at a time. Running the AC occasionally in winter can help delay this occurrence.

    Randy
  • mvcorneliusmvcornelius Member Posts: 11
    Took my 2000 OB auto off-highway yesterday. It really does whoop butt on a plain old car off-road. The track I took was just better than a full-on jeep trail. It was one car wide most of the time and crossed two streams and several washes. The OB was comfy for the whole family and very confident and well mannered on the bumps and dips. There was pleny of ground clearance for the wash-outs and ledges. The long-travel suspension is well-tuned for this kind of driving.

    After yesterdays experience I'm confident I could drive 80% of the forest roads in the state without taxing the OB's abilities.

    Also, the 6 disk changer never skipped once!



    RE: steering rattle
    The dealer checked/lubed the anti-sway and didn't get rid of the rattle.
  • iscottsiscotts Member Posts: 28
    We bought the LTD, because we wanted moon roofs and leather. Other nice upgrades with the LTD that you can't get with the Base is body colored wing mirrors & door handles.

    The leather is comfy and easily cleanable, the moon roofs are fun. We know that we won't get as much of the extra money spent if we sell/trade-in, but we plan to keep if for years and we decided we were worth it!

    The ride is very smooth and you can hardly hear the engine. No rattles for us so far.

    2001 models will be around in a few months - I've seen everything from Sept to Dec. Prices will likely be near MSRP for H-6 at first. Design will be broadly the same since the 2000 MY was a major overhaul. Before we bought our 2000, I was concerned that the H-4 acceleration would be weak based on reviews but it is more than enough for me.

    Good luck!
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    I have an '00 Legacy and I have been given a '95 Legacy as a loaner when the new car is in for service. There is no comparison; the '00 is so much more solid feeling, so much smoother, and so much quieter that they might as well be from two different planets. I strongly recommend a test drive in any '00 Legacy/Outback to see this for yourself. There is still a hint of the old H4 grumble, but IMHO it has been reduced to the point of being downright pleasant rather than distracting. Understand that this is coming from someone who does not really care for the sound of the opposed 4, especially compared with, say, a smooth-revving inline 6; if the engine grumble had been the same as it is in the '95 loaner I would not have bought the '00.

    AC smells should have little to do with how much of the time the AC is used unless the AC uses totally different ductwork. This is not usually the case. If your AC is making a stink it may be due to using it in recirculatory mode where you suck air from inside the car instead of from outside; this may make it smell "stale" but should not result in a mildewy smell. If you have mildew you have some other problem, possibly a blocked drain in the interior air intake system., or even a windshield leak that is letting water in behind the dash and causing insulation to become "ripe".

    Good luck,
    WDB
  • wmiller4wmiller4 Member Posts: 97
    The AC smell happens in a bunch of cars. It is due to condensation(water) on the AC coil (correct part name?) It looks like a little radiator and works in the same manner. The coil has the coolant circulating thru it and the outside or inside air (if the recirculate button is on)drawn in by the fan, blows over the coil to cool. The air blowing over the coil, cools it and leaves behind condensation thus "drying out" the air making it less humid and more comfortable. The water left behind drains down the coil and out of your car thru a drain tube. (You have probably seen a puddle of water underneath your car while running the AC sitting at a light or when you park.) Some of the water stays trapped in the coil. The water and the dark, warm area your coil lives in behind your dash are just perfect conditions for mildew and other bacteria to live and grow. These things cause a "bad" smell when you first start the AC. There are a few things I know of that can be done to cure the smell. The do not cost as much as having the dealer fix it.

    1. Plan on shutting off the AC a few minutes before you park and run the fan on high to help dry out the coil.

    2. Buy a can of LYSOL spray. Turn on your car, place the fan on high and turn on the AC. DO NOT turn on the recirc. (I do not own a Subaru YET, so I can not tell you exactly where to look for the next step.) Under the windshield there should be a grate-like area. This is know as the plenum. Outside air is drawn thru this to be used in the heating and AC system in your car. With everything running, feel for air being "sucked in". (Opening the hood may make this easier to do.) Spray half of the LYSOL can in there. The LYSOL will disinfect (kill) the mold, mildew and bacteria living in your AC system. Use this method once a year to keep you AC smelling clean. PLEASE BEWARE! I have only used the above method on autos with plastic plenums! I have always been careful to NOT GET LYSOL on the paint! If you need to, use a WD40 straw to better direct the spray into the air intake. Remember to air out your car for a while BEFORE driving. The level of LYSOL in it makes driving uncomfortable for a bit.

    Dealers use a similar method with chemicals and charge around 100-200 dollars. A can of LYSOL is about 5.00. It really works!
  • wmiller4wmiller4 Member Posts: 97
    1 and 2 are different options. You do not have to "dry" out the coil before you spray.

    Option 1 is something you can do on a daily basis to help change conditions for growing things in your AC system.

    Option 2 is what you can do to get rid of the smell, until the next time.
  • tta3tta3 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks. everyone. The outback Limited looks and feels very nice on test drives. What prices have people been paying? Should the price drop in the next month or so with impending new models? Any ideas on trade in value of a 92 Legacy with some dents and rust? Thanks again.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    Dropped my Outback Limited in for a service and metnioned that it was hesitating a bit under throttle. New plugs and degunking goo in fuel tank and it runs smooth as new.

    One minor irritation. Brakes clunk when first applied after backing. Calipers are moving in their seats and dealer says there is no fix. Any ideas.

    It is still raining here; atrocious road conditions and AWD and ABS seem reallly good ideas.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thomas - Automotive News lists a $500 regional dealer incentive already. Worth looking into.

    Dave: I black out license plates on my web site so people can remain anonymous. Since you're not bothered, it said "I RUN26". Honestly, I'm not sure I quite get it, do you run?

    tex: pass on the OE protector, but Irvine Subaru has a front skid plate for $60, and the rear diffy protector for $70. E-mail Ryan at scoobyparts@hotmail.com. I found the skid plate while surfing around several sube-directory sites.

    Pat: that surge is 166 ft-lbs of torque answering its call ;)

    Are you driving a 5 speed? If so, try a lower gear (3rd or even 4th) around town for smoother acceleration.

    Skip: never noticed that on the front windows, but have in the rear. I imagine it's because of the shape of the doors. The tilt probably allows the windows to go down further.

    Denice: not sure about the stereo in the Legacy. If I recall the Forester has a 75 watt Clarion unit.

    I recommend something with a low level output, so that you can later add amps if you want to upgrade. I'd swap out the 4 speakers in the doors, add my own tweeters, and put an amp with a subwoofer out back (no pun intended).

    The head unit may be adequate, though. I'd start with the speakers.

    Of course I have to listen to "Elmo's Song" over and over about 1,000 times, so the stock unit is almost TOO good to me!

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oops, meant to ask if you run marathons.

    -juice
  • mcj13mcj13 Member Posts: 85
    I've tested several Legacy's and Outback Sports ranging from '91 to '00; while I liked many of them, the only shifter that I liked was on the '00 Brighton.

    I'm used to a short-throw, precise shifter. The Subarus have a longer throw, more wiggle room and seem to vary greatly from car to car. The stick is so crucial, am I ever going to get used to/like it?

    Is it coincidence that I liked the '00 shift best or did they make improvements and can I expect to like most '00 cars?

    Or is it just a matter of finding one that I like and not related to model year?

    Francophile: If your '00 and the '95 loaner are 5Speeds, please comment.

    Juice: I think you wrote about the possibility of changing the shift to a short throw. Did you or anyone try this?

    Mary
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Some people have swapped to synthetic fluid to improve shift feel - can anyone offer specifics?

    You can get short throw kits, but it'll be a bit of work to get them installed. iSR has some here:

    http://www.autocaresubaru.com/catalogue.html

    -juice
  • buchignanibuchignani Member Posts: 30
    I changed to synthetic gear and differential oil last week--but this is with only 350 km on the car. As an aside, there was a fair amount of metal shavings on the plug magnets of both, so I'd recommend that people do an early change of fluids. I do believe that it shifts a little more smoothly. The only shift that requires any pressure is back from 2nd to first (which is common in other vehicles).

    One additive product that really does work to make shifting more slick is Molyslip. However, it is not supposed to be used with conventional limited slip differentials; not yet having a shop manual that shows whether the limited slip and front wheel/back wheel transfer elements are sealed separately from the rest of the trans/differential works, I haven't used this additive in the Subaru. Anyone have advice on this?

    Norman
    Point: the fine print on the 2001s says that they revised the 3rd gear synchronization, so perhaps comparisons with other years aren't appropriate.
  • 2ndwnd2ndwnd Member Posts: 145
    >>Oops, meant to ask if you run marathons.<<

    That is correct sir! I RUN26 means 26 miles, the distance of a standard marathon. OK, it's really 26.2 miles but we usually round it down. It's been over a year now since my last one (I was planning on doing one this spring but got injured)so I better get off my butt or I'll have to change it to I RAN26.

    Dave
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Norman: can you offer more details? Like what fluid you used, how much and where you got it, where the service points are, and how much time it takes? I assume it's like any oil change?

    I should get personalized plates. How about:

    SOOBFAN
    GR8BREW
    SNOWLVR

    -juice
  • aling1aling1 Member Posts: 225
    I like "SNOWLVR" best of all. Maybe I should change my personalised plates :-). All my vehicles have a rather boring "LING x" (substitute "x" for numbers 1 to 3) right now. How 'bout personalised plates for the L.L.Bean wagon and VDC wagon? Just "LLBEAN", or "ANTISPIN"? Oh wait, that last one was rather lame. :-)

    Drew
  • buchignanibuchignani Member Posts: 30
    Juice,

    It is pretty easy to do this yourself.

    I used Quaker State Synthetic 75-90w for both transmission and differential. As I recall, the transmission requires about 3.5 l. and the differential, 0.8 l.

    Changing the differential oil is dead easy. The drain and fill plugs are clearly visible on the back of the case. Both can be opened with a 1/2" ratchet without a socket. You might need a longer breaker bar to get the plugs loose, though, as Subaru put some gasket goop on them. Drain, clean the magnet on the lower plug, replace lower plug, and then fill until oil starts to flow out of the upper plug. Unless you can make oil flow up hill, you'll need an oil bottle extension tube, so that you can hold the oil bottle high and squeeze oil into the differential.

    Transmission oil change is also straightforward. The drain is on the bottom of the trans., between the two exhaust headers. I can't recall, but it might be a 22 MM; in any case, a 13/16" socket fits it perfectly. Again, remove, drain, clean magnet, replace plug. You fill the trans through the hole wherein is placed the trans. dipstick. Again, you will need an oil bottle extension (whose hose fits the dipstick hole) to get the job done. Here, you check the dipstick to insure the right fluid level.

    That's all there is to it.

    Norman
  • buchignanibuchignani Member Posts: 30
    I recall some folk earlier posting to Edmunds lists and to others observations about their drivetrains on Foresters that I think I can now assign a specific cause.

    I find that at least my new manual trans Forester has a very large amount of 'slop' in the drivetrain. This is to say that if the car is in (any) gear on the flat, with the parking brake off, I can move the car back and forth about 2". A comparable figure for my Honda Prelude is 1/2". When driving in 4th or 5th gear (with the transmission warm), this translates into a decided transition between foot-on-the-gas accelerating the car and off-off-the-gas engine braking deceleration that's almost enough to produce an audible clunk.

    Do others experience this? If so, why would Subaru design this into the vehicle? Over time I would think it would stress drivetrain parts.

    Norman
  • centavocentavo Member Posts: 24
    What can happen if I anticipating semi-severe use of my Forester, instead of 5W30 oil, use 15W50?
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Oil that is thicker than the manufacturer's specified ratings may not flow through the oil galleries as it should and could cause premature wear or even failure.

    By the same token, thinner than spec oil can cause some additional wear, but mostly noise. I put in 5w30 this winter (my manual says 10w30 except when very, very cold, then 5w30) and it was fine when it was below 30F, but otherwise I had crazy valvetrain noise. 10w30 from here on out.

    On thing is for sure, the thinner oil will get you slightly better gas mileage and thicker will negatively impact mileage. This is because the crankshaft has more resistance.

    -Colin
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Much Belated Reply to #597:
    Hey, Faye: Noticed that nobody seemed to have given you a reply and I was curious myself, so, even though this is probably too late to help ya, I e-mailed the Subaru.com folks myself and asked about it. Their reply:
    "I have been advised that when you add the center console armrest it will cover the existing cupholder feature. The center console accessory does not have a cupholder built into this part. However, if you wish, you may order the 2001 double cupholder as a replacement part, which would replace the single cupholder you have now."
    Of course, the bit about lacking the 2001 double-cupholder in the dash probably doesn't apply to you; I went ahead and posed the question for my '98 model, which only has a single cupholder in the dash, unlike the new models.
    Oh, and my '98 Forester is red (I'm not sure if they called it "Sedona Red" back in '98 -- I've been to Sedona, Az., and it's not even remotely the same shade as the Forester), and I like it fine. Doesn't show dirt too badly. I might have preferred silver to help keep the vehicle interior a little cooler, but I think that means you have to go with the gray interior rather than the beige, and I much prefer the look of the beige interior. And the new interior cloth is rather more subtle than what they were using in '98.
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    My brother took me on a surprise 6.5 hr road trip (his 96 Civic so no Sube content -- oops!) from Washington, DC to the Cedar Point amusement park in Sandusky, OH (last Thu-Sat).

    If you're a roller coaster enhusiast, check the stats of the Millennium Force:
    • 92 mph (faster than we drove!)
    • 300 foot drop (yes, that's a football field on end)
    • 80 DEGREE vertical drop (yes, you're weightless)
    • 122 degree banked turn (steepest non-inversion banked turn on a coaster)
    See stats (note there are no sides on the car and no shoulder harness; just a lap belt and a T bar pressing on your legs), ride video, and promotional video (long but descriptive).

    Excellent air time on the hills. Very smooth. In my admittedly limited coaster experience, Millennium Force is the best. It feels like you're flying (and I used to fly).

    Toodles,

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    tex: I'm getting a price quote for that double cup holder. If it fits in earlier Foresters, I'll post the details, pictures, the whole nine yards.

    Colin: out of curiosity, why 10w30 instead of 10w40? Doesn't the latter withstand heat better?

    -juice
  • jeijei Member Posts: 143
    Post 782 about the Forester "first response" medic unit in Australia (it's too short for an ambulance) got me thinking & wondering. Got any pictures? How about the Subaru police cars in Indiana? Most American towns would never buy a Japanese brand for emergency vehicles, but Subaru would be ideal in a back-country or metro area where large size is a drawback.
    I imagine a Forester with the Vector light rack (5 separate beacons in a "V" layout), strobes in the tail- and front turn signal lights, black front bumper push bar and siren/PA speakers in place of the fog lights. 15" steel wheels with cop tires and the 4 wheel disc brakes from the "S" series. - Add the H-6 and VDC and that would be real sleeper of a pursuit vehicle... Much more surprise value than a Camaro or Mustang.
    Post pictures when you get them!
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    juice, 5w30 and 10w30 are the "normal" spec'd oils in my 99 2.5RS manual. It does list a whole host of alternate oils you can use if the climate demands it, like 10w40, 20w40 and 20w50 (Arizona summer, maybe).

    -Colin
  • hciaffahciaffa Member Posts: 454
    Thanks for your input on the changing of the rear differential fluid but I've got a question on the front differential/transmission. Your mention the front transmission fluid change in your post, are you referring to a manual transmission because the auto tranny requires Dexron III and not gear lube, also the auto tranny has a filter which looks like a oil filter that requires changing periodically. The front differential used for the auto is a separate housing and is on the passenger side of the vehicle. Is this what your referring to. If so can the same gear lube be used for that service.
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Drivetrain slop, Honda Prelude vs Forester: it's called a transfer case. OK, I'll be more specific; the Forester is AWD which means more mechanical bits between the wheels and the motor which means more "slop" than the Prelude in the circumstance you described. Compare a Forester to an Explorer, or better still I guess a CRV, for a fairer comparison. Let us know what you find.

    Re sliding down biiigggg hills: Mike, you're an engineer; did you structural integrity cross your mind whilst peering over the abyss on that coaster? Just kidding, I'm a coaster lover myself. Was the road trip solely for the purpose of riding that coaster? Cool.

    Cheers,
    WDB
  • buchignanibuchignani Member Posts: 30
    My instructions re: changing trans. oil was re: the standard transmission and transfer stuff-which are all in one case.

    auto tranny owners: please don't make the mistake of putting gear lube in your transmission! I can't imagine what would happen. It wouldn't be nice.

    Norman
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I wonder how those Indiana cars are holding up. Generally speaking, U.S. police departments load up cruisers with a lot of stuff-radios, computers, lights, guns, safety equip, etc, plus the rather brutish treatment they receive at the hands of their operators; that can be hard on a small engine and civvie tranny...just ask Ford how well the V6 Taurus police package performed!
  • deniceedenicee Member Posts: 14
    The police at the Santa Cruz harbor drive Outbacks. I'm assuming it's so they can drive on the sand.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The NYPD recently started using malibus and impalas. I had to take a double take the first time I saw one. They don't really need fast cars, cause NYPD police policy says that they are not allowed to pursue a criminal at a high rate of speed on city streets.

    -mike
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    WDB: LOL, bro' and I pondered many F=ma scenarios. Indeed, we schlepped there solely to ride the Millennium Force. I hadn't made a road trip since high school; now with wife and children I thought those days were long gone (really missed my kids and vice versa). My brother is top notch (wife too!). Indeed, way cool.

    And congrats on the new job (err, that's in the Event topic).

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

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