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I shall call 1-800-SUBARU3 now to chat with the guys.
The "seal" was a "gasket". It is the oil gasket, probably on tyhe oil plug. That is a minor, $0.62.
Thank you for your assistance.
Daniel
Thank you,
Daniel
-mike
Jiffy Lube "technicians" have been known to drain the tranny oil instead of the engine oil. DOH!
-juice
Belts, done properly with a gauge, take a bit of time. I can sort of see this stuff on a 7500 mile service, because everything on the car is adjusting and stretching and generally settling in. But $100 for labor still seems like a lot to me. That should represent about 2 hours' labor, and I simply can't find that much time in the stuff folks have described here.
Sorry folks, those numbers still sound like a gouge.
I only ever found one additive that I had any belief actually did anything, and that was some stuff called BG. It went in the crankcase, and it claimed to maintain a coating on surfaces so that not so much damage would occur during cold starts and so on. We had a V-12 Jag blow an oil filter gasket and pump all the oil out; the driver realized it pretty late and drove the car until he heard rattling noises. Amazingly the top end of the motor--cams, followers, bearings-- was unharmed. The factory rep had been seeing a rash of bad filters and blown motors, but that was the first one he had seen that didn't trash the whole engine. We blamed it on the BG stuff, for better or worse.
There is also a radiator stop-leak I like very much but I would never put it in a car that did not already have a leak or two. That stuff clogs things up.
Cheers,
-wdb
This happened to my wife's OB. She took it to Wal-Mart for an oil-change (on my advice). A few months later, she had a tranny oil leak. The dealer said it looked like someone tried to pry off the tranny oil filter and damaged it. And they accused me of doing it!
wdb - BG is what my former dealer service used.
Dennis
-mike
Once again, I'm sorry.
Patti
How can this happen?
The nearest Subaru dealer is 35+ miles away, and I do not have the time to change the oil myself, and must rely on the local lube shops, which unfortunately are mainly staffed by 'kids'.
Knowing that maintenance is an important part of keeping a vehicle, does that mean I should shy away from the Subaru Outback and Foresters, and try to concentrate my new car purchases on more widely known vehicles?
Thanks.
Thank you very much for your efforts.
Daniel
I don't know the exact numbers, but O-Backs & Foresters are out there in mass. The local shops are no doubt seeing them in significant numbers. I wouldn't shy away from the breed because a couple of mistakes made awhile back. That's like not eating at McDonalds because of fear of mad cow disease. I, like many others, have taken my Forester to the local X-lube (you fill in the blank)without a problem. Go forth and grip some road !
- hutch
The trans drain plug is further back and quite obviously at the bottom of the transmission, not near the oil pan. It would take quite a doofus technician to mix them up.
-juice
They had three there today, two of which had sold stickers on them—one of which was a "mellow yellow" sedan. The wagon on the showroom floor had a sign on the windshield about the no test drives.
Bob
-mike
When accelerating, I would expect to experience that low RPMs only once. First gear. After that the engine should stay above the the 3k rev mark until the desired speed is achieved.
The plus side to all of this is that if you keep your foot off the floor gas milage will probably be really good. I've been driving easy so far and my first tank yeilded 28 mpg.
- hutch
Also, I think anyone who is used to a (large engine displacement) vehicle, which has gobs of torque throughout the rev range, would be less than enthused with the WRX.
Bob
I was speaking to the owner there last week and he told me about the dealer meeting in Arizona. When I asked about lag, this is how he described it. "Yeah, there's lag. But when the turbo kicks in, it feels like you were hit by a Mack truck!". I'm assuming this was the 5-speed and it was also on a race track.
Bob, would the sport-shift make that much of a difference? Does the JDM even have a 5EAT?
Oh, I asked his thoughts on the ST-X engine. They didn't talk about it too much at the dealer meeting. His feeling was they will just put the 2.5L in it. He felt the H6 would price it out of the intended demographics. I didn't ask if he heard about a turbo.
Hutch - that's great gas mileage.
Oops, I think my post could be divided into about three different forums. But it was based on a dealer visit. :-)
Dennis
However, a 5EAT would be better than the current 4EAT, because of closer gear splits. Closer gears splits are always helpful with engines that have turbo lag.
Bob
-mike
Sometimes first impressions can be false, or somewhat misleading. Obviously, if you can't fit in the seats, there's not much you can do about that—except go on a diet.
Bob
-mike
28mpg is great. More ammo for talking the wife into one.
5 cogs could mean a lower first gear, so you'd spend less time waiting for it so spool up. I still don't think an auto fits the car's character.
Big-bolstered seats do that, so it's a tight fit for some folks. Try sitting in my Miata - I actually have to take out my wallet, and it makes a noticeable difference!
Sorry to say, but a thin paisan just wouldn't fit with the image of the Man. Big attitude, big guy! ;-)
-juice
-Dan
Ross
Armac13 .. you're also correct. It's an age (read old fart) thing. BTW .. I qualify
- hutch
Patti
They won't talk price on the extended warranty until they have an actual VIN number, and we sit down for the "final" exchange of money/loan papers. Can anyone tell me the approx. cost that they paid for an extended warranty on a WRX? I'm looking for something around 5 years/ 100,000 miles.
Also, Metric Subaru on Long Island, NY is giving test rides. They have a blue 5 speed. Not a great deal of power below 2500RPM, but by 3000, the car is really moving :0
Lastly, all of the WRXs I've seen at the Long Island dealerships have had NO rear spoilers {excepting yellow...reminds me of the "yellow pages"
-mike
You can get a quote for one from Edmunds. Go to their pricing page, follow the link to their sponsor, and get a price quote. Then ask your dealer to match it, and go with the manufacturer's warranty for the (hopefully) same price.
-juice
* scientific wild-@$$ guess
Caroline
Patti is a rep from SoA who also is active on our boards.
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So, shopping for a Legacy? L or GT?
-juice
-mike
Dennis
Thanks,
Patti
I look forward to hearing/reading from you.
Patti
I'm looking for a Legacy Wagon L 5 speed. The used Subarus I have looked at have been priced not much cheaper than the new "L 5". It appears to me that a new car is a much better value.
Edmunds true market value seems to be thousands cheaper than advertised used cars in Boston. Is that because the dealers expect to be haggled down by thousands, or is the Edmunds TMV price too low for Boston? My thought is, if the price does not go down 15% the first year, and 10% thereafter, it's not worth buying used. Any thoughts on that?
I was told by a Boston dealer that 2002 Subarus are coming in shortly and that "year end promotions" touting sales near invoice were ending, and that 2002 Legacies would be around $500 more. Stephen wrote that he thought it was only the 2002 "WRX" that would be coming out soon.
Will the 2002 Legacy wagons be coming in soon? Is it worth waiting a month or two to get a car with a later model year to increase resale value?
My though is, if the price does not go down 15% the first year, and 10% thereafter, it's not worth buying used. Any thoughts on that?
Thanks for the info.
The WRX is out. Drive one, but beware - you'll buy it on the spot. Try to hold back the smile when you negotiate price!
I'd guess the 2002 Legacy won't be out until September, and that prices will remain roughly flat. Maybe $200 higher for inflation, that's about it.
-juice
I'll most likely get an OBS rather than the WRX but Liberty's prices seemed reasonable for the 2001 OBS. I'm waiting a few months anyway. Thanks!
Caroline
-mike
Good luck.
Dennis
-juice
-B
Patti
Here's another - Outback Sedan should be next in line for the H6. We're hoping to see a non-Outback Legacy with more power, but I'm guessing it'll take a little longer. I could be wrong.
-juice
-mike
-juice
I didn't know if you were replying to me or some else? Is there a way to tell what message number someone is replying to?
Message 991 mentions that several models have stopped 2001 production, and there won't be around much longer. Does that mean there wont be any more available until the 2002s arrive in Sept.? Is that right? That seems to disagree with message 988, unless they are only talking about Impreza.