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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thing is, a turbo engine has other mods that would compensate. Nevertheless, point taken.

    Leo: the L's fabric probably is more durable. I have dogs and a kid and it's held up well. I've heard a couple of complaints about the velour on the S+ on the top of the driver's door, which can wear quickly.

    You can always use the door handle as an arm rest, if that's the case.

    -juice

    PS Fitz has a WRX wagon at 22.7k! But the steal is the TS wagon at a lowly $17 grand! That's a bargain!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    will follow, once the excitement for the WRX settles down.

    Speaking of the RS: It's been de-contented for 2002. The is no sunroof. Fog lamps are now optional (I just saw two at a dealer w/o foglamps). The rear spoiler is now optional.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Does the RS have the CD changer and the seats from the WRX? Side air bags?

    Edmunds lists seatbelt pre-tensioners and a CD player, but they could be inaccurate.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    does have the same seats as the WRX. I'm not sure about the other items.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I love sunroofs, but the seats you use all the time, and the sunroof you don't. They are just plain awesome. I'm sure if the seats are the same that it also gets the side air bags.

    Still, it's good you point out what they took out. Put it back, Subaru!

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    to me, is the real sleeper here. The WRX is getting all the hype, but the RS has the same seats and suspension as the WRX—and the 2.5 engine is no slouch.

    WRXs could hard to find, and dealers will be less willing to negotiate price. On the other hand, RSs will be plentiful and dealers will be more likely to cut good deals.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They already are. All the non-WRX Impreza are priced near invoice.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I agree with you, Bob. I like the de-contented RS. I would have bought a de-contented RS, so long as it had 4 wheel disc and ABS. And of course was cheaper because of the lighter content.

    -Colin
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    it doesn't have the same seats as the WRX. I sat on both at the autoshow. It looks alike. But not it's not the same seats. Unless it's another Canadian Impreza quirks.
    Nah, I don't like the decontented RS. If i would have to drive that funny design car, I'd get the WRX cus the sheer performance over powers the looks. I'm so shallow. Next I'd say that I prefer Jennifer Lopez's body over Rosie O'Donnell. =(

    However I believe that next iterations of the RS will get the similar "goodies" of what the mk I RS got like rear LSD, sunroof, spoiler (don't care about that.) etc...

    Ramon - who still thinks the coupe RS wing is hilarious.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I didn't sit in an RS, but the seats looked to be the same, except for the cloth pattern. However, I could be wrong.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I dunno, Jennifer is always in court, and Rosie is hilarious to be around.

    "Yeah, but she sure can cook baby!"

    Trivia: what song is that from?

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    yeah they look very much alike. But I think the new RS seats has similar feel to the current RS seats which is not bad. But definitely not as plush as the WRX. Oh so yummy. It is as good as our 330Ci's special ordered cloth seats. The fact that only the WRX gets side inpact airbags while the RS don't should give the clue that the seats are different.

    On another note, what's up with this Focus RS? Is this for real?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We haven't even seen the Focus SVT for sale yet.

    Remember, the Cougar S was supposed to be here by now, and it just got canned. Don't believe anything until you see it.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I wonder what 'minor' changes there will be to the Subaru MY02 line up. By minor, I mean tweaks to the existing models.

    I'm going to guess that the VDC wagon gets a few extra goodies thrown in to help ward off criticism about it's price tag. A standard security system? HID lights? An off-switch for VDC? Some extra badging changes to help differentiate it more from the standard OB line up? How about some new rubber?

    Anyone else care to take a stab?

    Ken
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    http://www.evo.co.uk/news/newsdetail.asp?id=81&page=1
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They'll make the cargo net, cargo cover, rear bumper protector, and the security upgrade all standard, without increasing the price (I've heard freight will go up $30, though).

    Funny thing is the tires did well in the C&D comparo, at least in foul weather. I didn't think there were that good. I'd change 'em just to end the bad (even if unfair) publicity.

    -juice
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Member Posts: 284
    I didnt get to see an RS yet, but theres no Side Air Bags and the seats have grey instead of blue for the center areas of the cloth...

    The TS, I saw two of... A Blue Ridge Pearl and a Green one. I liked it better than I thought I would. The Plastic wheel and shiftnob are funky, but they can be fixed of course. The two-tone interior isnt that nice, but the light gray cloth was better than I expected, and a shade above alot of other sub-$20k cars out there in terms of quality. I dont like the foglight covers either, but the Wagon in any model just looks sweet!

    I would get one if I didnt want the RS/WRX suspension so much... No to mention the bigger brakes and Rear ABS, same rims as the WRX, the single tone interior and the leather shift nob/wheel... :P
  • snizavesnizave Member Posts: 19
    The song is "If you wanna be happy"

    "Hey man, I saw your wife the other day and she is ugleeeeeeeeee!"

    "Yeah, but she sure can cook!"
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Um, IIRC they have the same suspension as the WRX as well as brakes and ABS...

    -mike
  • leomortleomort Member Posts: 453
    Do you think Subaru will put in the H6 engine?

    Also seen in the Forester brochure from Subaru a preformance gauge package with three gauges to measure vacuum pressue on manifold, voltage, and oil temp. None of my cars ever had these gauges. I don't even know what's the importance of these guages or what I'd be reading to understand if there's a problem. What problems would these gauge help?

    Another question regarding for you mom and dads out there: how do baby/child safety seat fit in the back seat of the Forester? Since we want to start a family this a real concern. Any problems with any child seats?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Mike wins. If you're ever in town, I'll buy the first round. Cheers.

    TS is BRP? Wow, thought they'd save that color for the top models. It does have ABS, I think you meant rear disc brakes (it has drums instead).

    Leo: Forester will get a power boost, but we don't know which. H6? Turbo 2.0l? Turbo 2.5l? Take a guess.

    An oil pressure gauge is valuable because say the valve in your oil filter fails and gets clogged, then pressure will exist but flow will not. An idiot light would not light up - but an oil pressure gauge would show you the high reading and you'd know to stop before you blew your engine.

    I guess voltage could show a problem with the alternator. Not sure about the others.

    We've had an EvenFlo "On My Way" infant carrier and two EvenFlo child seats. All fit well, just use the tether anchor for the big kid seats. The only catch is some times big kids can kick the back of your seat.

    Guess it's up to you to teach them to behave.

    -juice
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    I've had oil pressure gauges tell me when I was a quart low on oil ('73 MGB, direct oil pressure gauge--actually had an oil line connected to the back of it). I've had oil pressure gauges tell me when it was time to replace the rod bearings in a Ford 351 Windsor motor. Oil forcing its way through the bearing channels is one thing that creates oil pressure, and when the bearings wear, pressure drops - especially at idle. A light, low knock at idle, coupled with low oil pressure, is a sign of worn rod bearings :-)

    I've had voltmeters alert me to problems in electrical subsystems. Example: turn on the wipers and the voltmeter drops like a stone; the wiper motor or the mechanism may be binding and drawing more than normal current. This makes the alternator work harder, which increases engine load, etcetera. A cascading set of problems that can be avoided by fixing what's wrong with the wipers.

    I've had a turbo boost gauge tell me that my pop-off valve was not popping off. Actually I didn't need the gauge for that. The car became VERY powerful all of a sudden, and I was lucky enough to realize that that was NOT a good thing ;-) Still it broke my heart not to be able to leave it that way! And the gauge did verify my suspicion by pegging itself over in the red zone when I was feeling that extra power.

    Anyway, the point is that gauges, properly used, can tell a driver a great deal more about the car than a "check engine" light can. But most folks aren't going to watch the gauges often enough, or know how to interpret them, for the gauges to be of much help to them. They're fun to look at though :-)

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nice to have an ex-mechanic among us!

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    I wouldn't be surprised if all Imprezas share the same suspension sans the taller spring for the OBS. It was the case for the GC8 Imprezas. Sports tuned shmorts tuned. Ppl are going to rip them out anyways.
    My question is, why cant they have all the special options for the TS cus I'm sure there are alot of ppl who wants a sporty wagon too.
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Is there a fitting on the 2.5 that would accommodate a sending unit for an oil pressure or temperature gauge?

    bit
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    According to this link, Subaru, along with GM's help, will bring to market a new small range of cars to slot in between the Impreza and the micro cars sold in Japan.

    Bob

    http://www.veh-tech.net/
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    What's with these flags now showing up by some (but not all??) user names?

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I was right, there will be something small. I was kidding about the Pleo, of course. ;-)

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: question is, will they sell it here? I would guess no.

    Flags identify where you live. it's a new feature.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    ... but not everybody's getting them??

    Bob
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    i have a maple leaf flag. Hmm.. i wonder if i were to put some other country's name will i get those flags too...
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Member Posts: 284
    No, the TS suspension is not "sport tuned" like the RS and WRX, its softer... Like the difference between the Legacy L and Legacy GT.
    And yes, I meant that the TS has rear drums... Sorry :(

    I got to see all of the model line today, the OBS, RS, TS and WRX wagon/Sedan and take a test ride in a WRX wagon with a pro-rally driver :D. Anyway, ill do this one at a time:

    TS Wagon: The interior is two toned and the cloth material is surprizingly good for a base model car. The seats arent as supportive as the RS/WRX, but they are still VERY supportive compaired to alot of other cars on the market. The wheels are nice and big despite the fact they are not alloy. The price is great! But, cause of the suspension, I would rather get a...

    RS Sedan: Same suspenion as the WRX, and whats even more interesting, is the interior is almost Identicle to the WRX! Exept, the blue cloth is black/gray in the RS (looks better IMO) and the wheel isnt a momo wheel. This is a REAL sleeper guys! I actually liked the foglight covers on the Blue Ridge Pearl and the Midnight Black colors... and the lack of a hood-scoop wasnt a problem.

    Outback Sport: Same interior as the TS, but the cloth is this funky looking shaggadelic Couch cloth stuff... REALLY wierd! The inch in height is noticable when you get in too. I dont care for the two tone paint much, but its not as bad as the Legacy Outback. I really like the rims on this car too.

    WRX Sedan/Wagon: I took an actual test drive today, and WOW! If anyone hasnt yet, go drive one TOMMOROW!
    Boy is this car smooth and composed... Until you gun it :D The handling is sooo good, but the stock RE92 tires stink! Found that out when the guy driving did a nice drift arounda 15mph curve :P The Wagons tail happy too, is that so in the Sedan as well?
    In any case, I WANT ONE NOW :D But the RS is more realistic for me :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sweet. I'm going to do a few test drives this weekend. Anyone driven a TS yet?

    -juice
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    canadian pricing for impreza 2002: (add $1000 for automatic trans)

    TS wagon: $21,995
    RS sedan: $26,995
    OBS: $26,395

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TS wagon is a lot cheaper in Canada than it is in the States... Much closer to the "older" impreza pricing. The TS is actually quite a steal at that price with the 2.5L. Makes me happy :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I dunno about MSRP, but Fitzgerald has them for $17,066, freight included, which is a good deal to me.

    -juice
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    Yup, us canadians are getting a hell-of-a-bargain on the TS wagon!

    MSRP for the TS wagon in the US is $17,495 USD.
    MSRP for the TS wagon in Canada is $14,600 USD.

    Thank you Subaru!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    No fair! ;-)

    It's the other way around with the VDC, isn't it?

    -juice
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    converted to US dollars the figures become:
    TS Wagon $14,300
    RS Sedan $17,550
    OBS $17,160
    or there about. Even adding 7% GST and the prices are low. When I was buying my Forester I compared comparably equipped (Can gets more standard) cars the the price difference was substantial in Canada's favor.

    Ross
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    the answer is no. Canadian list is $43,995 which converts to approximately $28,600 US.

    Ross
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Guess the currency exchange works in your favor. Lucky ducks!

    -juice
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Any time you want to trade dollars Juice just let me know. :~)

    Ross
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Will you accept a Real for a Canadian dollar?

    Actually, they are pretty close...

    -juice
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    (sorry, couldn't pass that one up!)

    Ross
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    yeah i notice Canadian car pricing is cheaper if you convert it to US dollars. I mean a Prelude sells for 23k US which equals to 36k CDN. But it actually seels for 28k CDN.
    The RS sells for 20k US = 31K CDN but it is only 27k CDN. So we rock. I AM CANADIAN!!!!

    The TS is a great platform for modding. I've driven the mk I TS and compared it to the RS back in 99 and they drove the same. sans the extra 20hp.
    having said that, what kosta prolly experience was not the shocks and springs which are different but the combination of the fact that the TS has a narrower track compared to the sedan flared stance and the smaller higher sidewalled wheels. SOA is playing with your minds. Notice there's no TS sedans to compare? ;-)
    It's all good. For the mod freak, a base model would be best. But for ppl who don't feel like modding, I think the RS like the GT which comes with the extras would be fine.

    Hey, I saw an RS yesterday. It was adriven by a chick. She was too busy playing with her hair to notice me. But i didn't honk nor flash my lights. Didn't want to disturb her. She was so intent on curling up her hair.... =)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    If the RS had a rear LSD it would be golden. And if the TS had discs in the rear it would be great too. Oh well...

    If my Aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    LOL

    It's only $900 for a Quaife LSD. I'd get front before rear though.

    -Colin
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    You friggin crack me up w/your last comment!! LOL

    Stephen
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    -mike, I too was LOL on your if/then.

    Hey that's what we can do, you be lower case mike and I'll be upper case Mike.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Member Posts: 284
    No, there is a different suspension set up, probably springs and shocks in the TS. The RS has the same "performance" set up as the WRX sedan AND wagon (They have the same suspension pretty much, the WRX models, just different width)
    It IS a downgraded suspension... but its not THAT bad (I mean, the L still handles great doesnt it?)
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    u kill me!!! =)
    I'm beginning to think that the rear LSD of the RS/WRX is not what it's that cracked up to be. It's VC daggamit. I dunno.

    OK what kind of differentials does the WRC Impreza uses? All VC?
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