Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I noticed that Subaru is showing pics over on their media site of the new Legacy's rear sans the "SUBARU" and "2.5 GT" badges...

    I wonder how they'll be displayed at Philly?

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    the Nissan systems are made by FHI IIRC. And you can't please everyone. People complain about over-active ABS, so dialing back the intervention on the VDC system should be seen as a good thing.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I agree with paisan, and more along those lines, keep in mind that CR will undoubtedly pick the safest (i.e. most intrusive) system as the best.

    VDC is stability control plus VTD AWD integrated nicely with each other.

    Like paisan said, people complain about over-active ABS with AWD, because the systems aren't fully integrated. ABS tried to brake the wheels independently while AWD tries to lock them together, it's a tug of war of compromised reactions.

    Not so with VDC, AWD and ABS and even Stability Control are fully integrated and pro-active.

    Here is the complete technical article on VDC in PDF format:

    http://210.101.116.115/fisita/pdf/G347.pdf

    Why is VDC better than, say, Audi's premiere Quattro system? Let's look at the main advantages:

    1) VDC can send 100% of power to any axle

    Quattro is limited to 67% to either axle, max.

    2) VDC is pro-active, lift throttle in a turn and it'll send more power to the front axle to prevent oversteer before it happens.

    Quattro will only react after you begin to spin, very quickly, sure, but it's still reactive. Even then remember it can only send 67% of the power to the front axle.

    If CR is correct, then the Audi allroad quattro reacts and does so intrusively, so that'll really spoil the fun.

    I've said this all along, Subaru should make VTD the one and only AWD system on Subies. Then make VDC an option on top of it.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sure, those JDM bumpers look smooth. Let's ruin them by putting a front license plate on them, why don't we? They are required in MD and would look awful.

    If you look closely the US bumper better accomodates a front license plate. It will look integrated, vs. spoiling it.

    The OB looks really beefy. I don't even mind the two-tone as much as I used to. Anyone wanna bet they continue to outsell Legacy at least 2 to 1?

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    VDC can send 100% to one wheel IIRC?

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yes.

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    yes, OB will outsell Legacy 2:1
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    is the sub release in 29 min ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For a long time it was 3:1. I think the ratio improved when the Legacy SE came out, that was a good seller. I guess the 2.5i Limited replaced it, let's see how it does.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    CR = unfit for bathroom tissue. leave them to tell you which vacuum sucks the best and get your car info elsewhere.

    ~c
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    is the sub release in 29 min ?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They also survey people to see which car sucks the best. ;-)

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    is the sub release in 29 min ?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    that the Suzuki SUV in the lower right corner has what looks to be a missle on the roof??
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    i see the presentation....keep refreshing
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    too bad there isn't a way to angle the camera better:-)
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    i see the presentation....keep refreshing
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    refresh......i see OBs
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Subaru Introduces Third-Generation Outback(R) Models; Ultimate Crossover Vehicle Features Advancements in Safety, Handling, Fuel Economy, and Performance

    CHICAGO, Feb. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Subaru of America Inc., the only company that features Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line, has introduced the fully redesigned, re-engineered third-generation Outback model line. New 250-horsepower 6-cylinder Outback 3.0 R models and the 250-horsepower intercooled / turbocharged Outback 2.5 XT models bring a dramatic performance infusion to the Outback line.

    "By offering new high-performance, premium-content Outback models, Subaru is positioned to compete with the growing number and diversity of crossover vehicles," said Fred Adcock, Executive Vice President, Subaru of America, Inc. "And, quite simply, the Outback 2.5 XT is designed to be the ultimate performance crossover wagon."

    Arriving at Subaru dealerships in spring 2004, the thoroughly revised 2005 Outback models are designed and equipped to compete with the growing range of crossover vehicles in the market, including luxury-brand models. The 2005 Outback model line includes the Outback 2.5i and Outback 2.5i Limited models,
    powered by a 168-horsepower 2.5-liter 4-cylinder boxer engine that provides enhanced response for 2005. The 6-cylinder models include the Outback 3.0 R L.L.Bean Edition and flagship Outback 3.0 R VDC Limited. The Outback 2.5 XT and 2.5 XT Limited models are exclusively powered by a 250-horsepower
    intercooled / turbocharged 4-cylinder boxer engine. With the development of this next generation Outback, Subaru strengthened and enhanced its "Best of Both" concept that spawned the original Outback. The melding of passenger car and SUV attributes has been further advanced to meet the demands of consumers shopping the crossover segment. Safety, handling, fuel economy and performance are improved by means of a longer wheelbase, wider track, lower center of gravity, and vehicle weight reduction by as much as 180 pounds. The vehicle ground clearance and command seating position have also been improved for 2005 Outback models.

    Wheelbase of the slightly larger 2005 Outback has been increased from 104.3 inches to 105.1 inches and overall length has been increased by just under two inches. The pronounced wedge body shape conveys a strong and stable presence, accentuated by aerodynamic side ground effects, more pronounced wheel arches and redesigned protective side cladding.

    The 2005 Outback is built on a new version of the company's proven Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame safety structure. All 2005 Outback models will include as standard equipment front seat side impact air bags and side curtain air bags that offer additional head protection for front and rear occupants. New intelligent dual-stage deployment front air bags use sensors to detect the presence and weight of a front passenger and also the driver's distance from the steering wheel. The system determines front air bag deployment strength for optimal occupant protection. Active front head restraints can help reduce
    potential whiplash injury in a rear collision.

    To mark the introduction of the 2005 Subaru Outback, Subaru will reveal product details to consumers on a new website, http://www.need-desire.com that
    showcases the brand's premium performance evolution.

    High Performance In Two Versions
    The 6-cylinder Outback 3.0 R models provide a linear power feeling that is characteristic of a higher-displacement engine. The intercooled / turbocharged 2.5-liter DOHC 4-cylinder boxer engine that powers the Outback 2.5 XT models offers a more sporty and exciting type of engine performance. In addition, the
    turbocharged engine also offers outstanding performance at high altitudes, where changes in atmospheric pressure adversely affect the power output of naturally aspirated engines. Even with the increased engine power and performance, Subaru anticipates improved fuel economy across the line, subject to final certification.

    A new 5-speed electronic direct control automatic transmission is standard on the Outback 3.0 R models. The Outback 2.5 XT offers a choice between a reinforced 5-speed manual transmission and the new 5-speed automatic. With the
    automatic, the SPORTSHIFT feature allows manual shifting control from the console-mounted shifter and, exclusive to Outback 2.5 XT models, steering wheel shift buttons, as well.

    Chassis Designed for Performance, Ruggedness and Comfort
    The 2005 Outback models retain the rugged, go-anywhere capability that Subaru customers want while delivering the crisp handling response and smooth, quiet ride comfort expected in a premium model. A new, stiffer body structure makes greater use of aluminum and high-strength steel. The 4-wheel independent suspension features revised geometry to enhance handling and stability. The wider vehicle track, a lower center of gravity and the use of 17-inch wheels and tires on most models further enhance stability on the new Outback.

    The rack-and-pinion steering system has been redesigned for quicker response, greater precision and improved feel. A 4-wheel disc Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) is standard equipment on all 2005 Outback models.

    Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive A Key To Brand Identity
    Subaru offers three different Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive systems in the 2005 Outback models, each tailored to the type of transmission. With the 5-speed manual transmission, the system distributes the power 50/50 front to rear. Slippage at either set of wheels will send more power to the other set
    of wheels.

    Outback 3.0 R models -- and Outback 2.5 XT models when equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission -- use a system called Variable Torque Distribution (VTD). VTD normally sends more power to the rear wheels to enhance handling agility, and it continuously adjusts the power distribution
    in response to driving and road conditions. Exclusive to the flagship Outback 3.0 R VDC Limited model is Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC), an advanced stability system that controls VTD operation and integrates an electronic four-wheel traction control system.

    Outback 2.5i and Outback 2.5i Limited models will offer an optional 4-speed automatic transmission, with an AWD system that actively controls power distribution in response to driving conditions.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Turbo baby!!!

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So no big surprises.

    Subaru Outback 3.0 R L.L.Bean Edition - is that a mouthful or what?

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Doesn't say if the 4 speed auto gets SportShift, like the Legacy 2.5i does.

    Looks like the badging is for each engine, 2.5l = 2.5i, H6 = 3.0 R, and turbo = XT.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    All-New Interior Reflects Premium Positioning Flush surface treatments, a soft foam upper dashboard, soft foam door trim and aluminum side sill covers give the new Outback interior a premium appearance and ambience. The two-tone interior features cloth upholstery for the Outback 2.5i and Outback 2.5 XT models, and leather-trimmed upholstery for Outback 2.5i Limited, 2.5 XT Limited and 3.0 R models.

    Standard equipment is more extensive than in any previous Outback and includes an 8-way power driver's seat for all Outback 2.5i models, Outback 2.5 XT Limited and Outback 3.0 R models. Outback 2.5 XT Limited and Outback 3.0 R models also include a standard 4-way power passenger seat, and the front seats on all Outback models for 2005 feature standard four-stage heating. A dual-panel glass power moonroof is standard for Outback 2.5i Limited, 2.5 XT Limited and Outback 3.0 R models.

    About Subaru of America, Inc.
    Subaru of America, Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. of Japan. Headquartered near Philadelphia, the company markets and distributes All-Wheel Drive Subaru vehicles, parts and accessories through a network of nearly 600 dealers across the United States. Subaru is the only car company that provides Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line. Subaru has been the best-selling import wagon in America for the past 20 years, based on R.L. Polk & Company new vehicle retail registration statistics calendar year-end 2002.

    Contact: Mike Whelan: 856-488-3326
    Larkin Hill: 310-763-0929

    SOURCE Subaru of America, Inc.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So all H6s get moonroofs, but only Limited models with other engines do.

    Looks like they are positioning the turbo to be the cheaper than the H6, as I was predicting.

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    very excited......wonder this will make legacy not so special again...........

    cross shopping bet OB & leg
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    no news about NAVI yet
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    "crossover" and not "truck?"

    Bob
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • bblachabblacha Member Posts: 160
    This car says "performance" through and through - better stability, steering, and awesome engines!

    Sounds like all versions get a power driver's seat (I think the article has a typo implying the XT doesn't.)

    Bart
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Good PR training, Bob.

    If I can live without a moonroof, I'll cross shop the Outback 2.5 XT with the Legacy GT. We'll see where prices fall, too.

    I want heated seats, so it looks good.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I need towing specs!!!!!

    Bob <gasping for air and reaching for his ventilator>
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    no news about NAVI yet
  • otis123otis123 Member Posts: 439
    No mention of driver memory settings (seat, mirrors, etc.). Hope they didn't cheap out as they try to nudge their way into the entry luxury market... I warned them 6 months ago... lol!

    Ralph
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    no news about NAVI yet
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    subaru making it harder to be happy with my 5 month old fxt. good job.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Buy a map and a compass! ;-)

    OB is lookin' good, if it's pre-wired and ready for towing I may have to pick that over the Leg. The beefier look doesn't hurt.

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    no news about NAVI yet
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    i loved having more room in the outback but couldnt get past the lack of performance. so i ended up with a fxt.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Outback 2.5XT gets sport shift steering wheel controls for the Auto. Over all sounds nice. Next big question: pricing?

    Hope we can sit inside them this weekend.

    Mark
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    like it's going to be an '06 (or '07) OBW XT 5EAT for me.

    DaveM
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    OB is on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://www.need-desire.com/main.html
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Don't think Outback will be in Philly, just the GT.

    DaveM
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Requested my OB brochure about 15 mins. ago.

    DaveM
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