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  • dglozmandglozman Member Posts: 178
    What would be the target price for Accord LX 4 cyl A/T lease for 36 month with 0 down? State NJ
  • pelequeropelequero Member Posts: 13
    I live in NY (Long Island) and I'm looking to take a balloon loan out on a 2005 Honda s2000. Can you please provide MF's and residuals for 36/12k and 39/12k.
    Also, I know you advise against down payments for leases due to insurance coverage in the event of theft. Do you recommend the same for balloon loans or is it ok to put a down payment down b/c I'd have the title? Thanks in advance.
  • reellawreellaw Member Posts: 23
    Does anyone have any numbers on lease incentives or leasing generally on the Mini's?

    Thanks--
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    You can lease a Loaded Envoy for mid $300's or a Envoy Denali for just over $400.00
  • lstufleblstufleb Member Posts: 18
    Wow! Do you know what I should be looking for in this particular lease? What is a good price for the vehicle etc. Also, I have three kids, and if memory serves me correctly, the envoy is a five passenger and the Denali is six or seven? Thanks for your input.
  • cadub49ercadub49er Member Posts: 42
    i looked back on some other posts after your reply and found the 63% but it was at 12K miles per year. I e-mailed the dealer back and he responded by saying his assistant was the one who actually made the numbers and I should call back to confirm what I was looking for. He essentially said he could go lower if I read between the lines! Is there a 7% drop in resdiual value for the extra 9K miles over lease term?
  • ch7656ch7656 Member Posts: 43
    Carman,

    Hoping you can once again help with some info:

    MF & Residual for:
    MBZ E350 (sedan and wagon) 36 or 39 months 12k per year.

    TIA
    CH
  • akgraphicakgraphic Member Posts: 1
    Hi there. Hoping to get some advice. My husband and I leased a 2003 VW Eurovan Weekender 2 years ago (4-year lease through VW Credit). We got a deal where we wouldn't get charged sales tax on a monthly basis -- for the first two years. That's up, and my husband loves the vehicle, and wants to purchase it. Our local banks don't want to have anything to do with lease buyouts, refinancing, etc. So, we went to our original dealer, and they explained a program / option where they buy the lease/car back from us wholesale, and then sell it back to us. Does this sound familiar to anyone -- or Car_Man -- what are you thinking? The car has actually been appreciating -- it's the last model they shipped to the US, and our buyout amount is roughly $27K (before the tax deal they're supposed to detail tomorrow in our next meeting), and it's blue booking at around $35K. The offer they gave us is $630 a month for 5 years (7.9%). Any whistles going off here, or is there anything you think we need to know or ask about? Thanks so much for any advice, I really appreciate it.
  • dslstldslstl Member Posts: 6
    please comment on the following lease offer -

    MSRP $49.9
    Cap Cost $46.9
    Term 4 yrs; 10k mi/yr
    Money Factor .00268 (6.43%/2400)
    Residual 47%
    Sales Tax 7.325%
    Payment $730
    Nothing down

    I believe Cap Cost should be $45.5-46k; residual 50-53%....any thoughts
  • ibsibs Member Posts: 14
    I'm not really sure whether a 7% drop sounds right or not. But generally, the more usage on a vehicle, the lower the residual. Thus, 36 months will be higher than 48; 12,000 miles will be higher than 15,000; but I don't know whether 7% is the right figure.

    Remember also that everything is negotiable. I just leased a new Accord and sent emails to every dealer in the area. Once I was able to confirm the best price I was going to get and the standard MF/Residual from AHFC, I went to my local dealer and said can you beat it. They beat the lease price by a few bucks but adjusted the residual and money factors so that they made more money.

    Let us know once the dealer confirms the numbers.
  • jacksdadjacksdad Member Posts: 9
    car-man,

    The G35 looks to be a great deal - I had been considering an Accord, but the G35 is nicer (to me), plus it's all wheel drive, which would be nice for my wife in the New England snow.

    on a base G35x automatic, MSRP 33,330 with a selling price of 29,999 for 36 months, 10k miles/yr, the dealer is quoting payments of $329/month, with residual of 60%.

    Something doesn't add up to me. Should I just jump on this deal and let them worry about how they make any $?
  • jacksdadjacksdad Member Posts: 9
    Thanks qbrozen,

    I'll double check for this month. Last month, people were saying 1500 under invoice was a good price for an Accord, especially a 6spd (which seems counter-intuitive on a short supply model). People were also saying to wait for July 18th, when Honda is having it's annual summer clearance.

    Either way, I want to figure out whether the G35 is in my price range. I prefer that car's sporty character and all wheel drive.

    Thanks for the post!
    Tim
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ... **and they explained a program / option where they buy the lease/car back from us wholesale, and then sell it back to us. Does this sound familiar** ...



    Nothing about this sounds familiar ... as in -0- .......

    #1.) the dealer doesn't have anything to do with a lease after you sign the papers and take delivery --- they don't have the title and are not a decision maker, so your talking to a 3rd party.

    #2.) you need to get with VW credit and get a direct pay-off and cut the dealer out of the transaction and purchase direct.

    #3.) I'm sure you can find a lender that will handle the loan for a competitive rate, because you're right, these stupid looking things get some "big" money on the resale side .....

    #4.) you lost me on the tax thing .. there's no such thing as no-tax and pay later, I would need to see that contract .l.o.l..



    Terry ;)
  • timmbojtimmboj Member Posts: 123
    Howdee kyfdx,

    Did you hear back from Car_Man? I don't know what to do about leasing an X3. Seems like their incentives get better and better. End of this month is crazy for me. I'd be better off waiting until end of August. But by then the selections may be low, and I probably wouldn't be able to order.

    Do you have a lease on an X3? Seems like we've talked before.
  • scott21scott21 Member Posts: 4
    Car man,
    Can you give me the money factor, residual, and incentives on a 36 month 15,000 mile lease? Thanks.
  • ltazeltaze Member Posts: 17
    Hi CarMan or anyone else who can help me (CarMan, I hope you are feeling better)

    I am looking at leasing the 2005 Lexus RX 330 FWD with Premium Plus Package. I am interested in a 3 year lease with 12k miles per year (I currently have a 4 year lease on an MDX and find it way too long). What kind of numbers should I be looking for? I really need some help here, because the first time I ever leased was my MDX and I feel like I probably got nailed to the wall then and don't want to repeat the same mistakes this time. Thanks in advance! :)
  • dxcoquidxcoqui Member Posts: 25
    Excuse my ignorance, but how do CarMan get the numbers for a particular car (you know residuals, MF, etc). Do you have to be a member of a super secret organization??? ;) Or can we get the information on our own thru a website somewhere???
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    The Denali comes as a 5 passenger or 7 passenger vehicle...You get the GM discount price right now on these vehicles.
  • cadub49ercadub49er Member Posts: 42
    Rec'd this offer which I am probably going to pull the trigger on in So. Calif. this is on a FX35 2WD Touring (tax is 7.75%)

    Quote from a dealer:

    "Regarding the FX35 with the Touring Package only, has a list price of 38.460.00 and a invoice of 35.247.00
    On a 36mo lease including tax your payment would be 518.00 with 527.00 total down.
    On a 39mo lease including tax your payment would be 494.00 with 503.00 total down.
    The residual is 59% @ 36mo @ .00176
    The residual is 58% @ 39mo @ .00171, Let me know if this will work."

    Down payment is nothing more, nothing less. Anything I am missing?
    Sounds good?
  • babydocbabydoc Member Posts: 20
    :blush: We are looking at a 2006 Honda Accord v6 Leather (no NAV)
    First time leasing. Tried to study up, but here's the deal offered so far-
    36 month
    12k/yr.
    330/month (not including taxes)
    no other fees. Gap insurance included.

    Any feedback from anybody would be great
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    ... **and they explained a program / option where they buy the lease/car back from us wholesale, and then sell it back to us. Does this sound familiar** ...

    I've had a salesman at a Pontiac dealership tell me that they do that fairly frequently; they buy the car from GMAC, the customer pays the price plus the "pack", and the taxes and fees, of course.

    I'd rather do a "Terry" and deal with the finance company directly. Seeing as how THEY own the car and the dealer doesn't. But I would expect that there are companies that don't deal with customers because of the hassle, but would rather sell a car to the dealer that took it in than have to go get the car and cart it off to auction.

    Presumably, it comes down to the practices of the finance company; the only reason to involve the third party (dealer) is if VW of A won't talk to you about the price. I've never heard one way or the other.

    And of course, taxes and license fees are due in any case. Illinois might be an exception or any state where the sales tax is due on the entire value of the car, but I bet that only applies if YOU buy the car, not the dealer.

    That's a lot of typing to say "I don't really know"...
    -Mathias
  • hifihomeboyhifihomeboy Member Posts: 5
    My wife just lost her job. We just got into a new auto lease. We signed a 3 year/36month/45,000 miles contract.
    Since wife lost job, I do not think I can afford the new auto lease. What should I expect/do if I just went to the dealership and give the keys back to them?

    What kind of lease / broken contract fees if any do apply? Well it would be a repo? no?
  • stew24stew24 Member Posts: 28
    If you just drop it off, it will certainly be recorded as a repossession, and will ruin your credit well into the next decade. I hope things work out for you all, and you don't have to take this route. Take care
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ....... Sorry your wife lost her job .. it might be a good idea for you to grab some overtime ....

    The dealer doesn't have nothing to do with the lease, it's between you and the lease company ..... it won't be a broken contract, it's gonna be a "repo" and it will ruin your credit, that's why I recommended grabbing some overtime ...

    Terry.
  • cjones88cjones88 Member Posts: 23
    If you can hold out a month (or however long it takes) you could try to trade the lease using swapalease or leasetrader. Assuming your monthly payments are attractive for the particular car you have, you probably can find a willing buyer. The big incentive for the buyer is he/she doesn't have to come out of pocket to start the lease with the exception of the lease transfer fee. This all assumes your leasing company allows lease transfers, so check with them first.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ... **The big incentive for the buyer is he/she doesn't have to come out of pocket to start the lease** ....

    You can do that with a brand new Bimmer, Chevy, Benz, Caddy, Audi, etc etc ........

    Terry.
  • cjones88cjones88 Member Posts: 23
    Very true, but I'm making the assumption that the original leasor, like most others on this board, paid the typical fees up front (documentation fees, acquisition fees -- which in almost all instances are higher than transfer fees, etc.).
  • mike2ff99mike2ff99 Member Posts: 6
    I can't find a lease calc specific for Illinois( you have to pay tax on the whole thing up front). If anyone can work it, I would much apprec you help. Honda Pilot MSRP: EX-L with nav 34,800. Price with options: 32,000. Due at signing 3,500. Residual value btwn 60-64%. Money factor: .0019. Lease term 36 month/15k per year. Sales tax: 6.5%
    Thanks
  • mike2ff99mike2ff99 Member Posts: 6
    Sorry, money factor is .00119..Typo
  • 00boxsters00boxsters Member Posts: 202
    Hello,

    Can you tell me what you think of these numbers Leaseman?

    2005 Hummer H2 MSRP is $61,510 and cap cost of $53,533. (GM Employee Discount Program)

    3 year 12k/year miles LEV% is 59.
    residual value is $36,290
    APR is 6.45%
    Tax is 9%
    1,730.80 due at signing, including first months payment of 789.30.

    2 year lease as above except $40, 596 residual and 1886.75 due at signing including first months payment of 870.25.

    I do not know the 'money factor'. Perhaps it is related to the 6.45% gm APR?
  • hamiltonmdhamiltonmd Member Posts: 3
    I am about to lease a GMC Envoy.

    Pertinent facts:
    MSRP = 36528
    Lease Price = 31426
    Residual = 54%
    Term = 48 months
    Miles = 12k /year
    Interest = 5.9%
    $2,000 down payment

    What SHOULD my lease payments be with the information above? I appreciate any help or guidance!

    Thanks!!!!
  • drew10drew10 Member Posts: 25
    You didn't say what the sales tax is in your state. Not including the sales tax and not including any other fees etc. that you are not going to pay up front (ie. acquisition fee) the monthly payment should be $ 325.
  • grandsiftergrandsifter Member Posts: 1
    I am interested in assuming a lease through swapalease.com or leasetrader.com. However, I live in Chicago and don't understand the tax impact on assuming a lease from another state. Will Illinois charge me sales tax on the assumption of the lease? If so, based on what amount? What about the City of Chicago 6% lease use tax?
  • drbeatdrbeat Member Posts: 2
    I wonder if there is anyone out there who can help me figure out the lease payments for a 2005 Maxima SE, no options? The MSRP is $28,080 and the TMV here at Edmunds is $24,500 after the $1,500 rebate. I live in Florida, and the interest is at 7%. I want no cap reduction, and basically as little out-of-pocket as possible.

    Is this enough info for anyone to determine what my payments will be? Does the TMV (mentioned above) have any relevance, or do you just need the invoice figure? I don't want to be at the mercy of the dealer.

    Any help is appreciated.

    Thank you.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi everyone. As many of you may have been able to tell, I have unexpectedly been off-line for the past week or so. I apologize for my unscheduled absence. I'm back now and am not scheduled to miss any time for the foreseeable future, knock on wood. For now, I will answer any questions that you have for me posted today, going forward. If you have a question for me that you would still like to have answered, please post it again. Thanks and talk to you soon.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    I would be more than happy to help you out, drbeat. You never mentioned how long you want to lease this car for, so for now I will assume that you are interested in a 36 month lease. This is Nissan's most attractive term for this model right now. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2005 Nissan Maxima SE with an MSRP of $28,080 and a selling price of $24,500 through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp. right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment should be around $301 or so. Having said this, the $1,500 customer cash that Nissan is currently providing on the '05 Maxima cannot be used in conjunction with its special lease program, only a $500 cash incentive can. This brings the TMV to $25,500 and the monthly payment for an otherwise identical lease to around $329. I usually find that consumers are able to negotiate better selling prices than the TMV prices that are listed on this site if they shop around. I would not be surprised if you were able to get this car for $250 to $500 over invoice after the lease cash is taken into account. For additional feedback on how much you should pay for this car, make sure to stop by the following discussion: "Nissan Maxima: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".

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  • sofakingcoolsofakingcool Member Posts: 15
    Carman,

    Please supply me with the residual and MF for the following vehicles (automatic transmission) that I am considering leasing so I can calculate a projected lease payment:

    2005 Lexus IS 300
    2005 Infiniti G35 Sedan
    2005 Audi A4 1.8T with Ultrasport package
    2005 Mercedes C230
    2005 BMW 325i

    36 month
    15,000 miles/yr
    Location is: 48867 (Michigan)

    Hope that is all the info you need. Do you forsee any current or future lease program incentives from these manufacturers? I know I have asked for alot. Thanks in advance.
  • cjones88cjones88 Member Posts: 23
    Carman, can you pls provide MF and residual for 2005 Honda Accord V6 EX sedan without navi? Also, do you know if the dealer cash Honda is providing now applies to leases? If so, that would mean I could get the V6 for a lower payment than the 4 cylinder due to current pricing on carsdirect.com assuming MF and residuals are similar. Thanks.
  • bethcbethc Member Posts: 7
    Welcome back! Audi's current nationally advertised lease deal on this car is $359 for a 2005.5 Quattro with manual, premium, and cold weather on a 24 month lease @ 10,000 miles a year with $1,999 cap cost down payment, plus tax, tags, deposit and acquisition. This is based on full M.S.R.P. of $33,720. I would like to extend the lease to 36 months, have $0 down, automatic, and assume the selling price should be substantially lower since these are remaining 2005.5s with the 2006s arriving now. What is the residual and money factor and should I be shooting for a monthly of $350? Also-I have noticed Audi often has a $1000 dealer cash incentive the last week of the month-how would this affect the deal if they do this next week? Thanks very much, Beth
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi sofakingcool. You certainly are interested in a number of vehicles aren't you. They're all very nice cars. The only ones that I personally wouldn't go for right now are the 2005 Lexus IS 300, because I've never really liked the current design and the next generation looks outstanding, and the 2005 BMW 325i, because the redesigned 2006 model looks much nicer and BMW has stopped providing support on the leftover '05s. Audi is no longer providing any sort of support on 2005 A4's either, if you can even find one. Let's take a look at these cars' current lease programs.

    If you were to lease a 2005 Lexus IS 300 without navigation through Lexus Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00170 and 51%, respectively.

    If you were to lease a 2005 Infiniti G35 Sedan 2WD through Infiniti Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00140 and 58%.

    As I mentioned earlier, Audi stopped providing lease support on 2005 A4 models. It only has support on 2005.5's right now. So this car's lease program is not going to be pretty. If you were to lease a 2005 Audi A4 1.8T Sedan with quattro through Audi Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00255 and 51%.

    If you were to lease a 2005 Mercedes-Benz C230 Sport Sedan through Mercedes-Benz Credit right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00200 and 56%, respectively.

    Lastly, if you were to lease a 2005 BMW 325i through Infiniti Financial Services right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per its base lease money factor and residual value should be around .00270 and 52%.

    It is difficult to say what these models future lease programs will be like, but as you can see a number of these automakers have already phased out their leases support on 2005 models. This is a fairly common occurrence at the end of the model year. Late in the year vehicles' residual values have fallen to the point that it often no longer makes sense for manufacturers to pay tons of money to provide lease support on them. I suspect that the lease programs on these 2005 models will continue to get worse in the coming months. If you have your heart set on one of these cars, you can hope that its lease support is replaced with dealer cash. However, in at least one instance that I can think of, BMW, the dealer cash on '05 models has already come and gone.

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  • genem1genem1 Member Posts: 2
    My wife and I are getting a divorce. We have two cars, both registered in my name. The car she uses is a 2004 Honda element on a 4 year lease--we've just finished the first year. I have no problem with offering to help her with some kind of car, but I'm worried about my liability since the car is in my name and she, unfortunately, lends the car to friends who have problems with drugs. Is there ANY way that I can get out of the lease; then I would be able to help her--she has a bad credit rating and can't do anything on her own, but my credit is good.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi cjones88. Here's the information that you are looking for. If you were to lease a 2005 Honda Accord EX V6 Sedan without navigation through American Honda FInance Corp. right now for 3 years with 15,000 miles per (you never mentioned how long you want to lease this car for or how many miles per year you need to be able to drive it so I guessed - correct me if I was wrong) its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00112 and 52%, respectively. I am not 100% positive, but I believe that the dealer cash that Honda is currently providing on the 2005 Accord, $1,250 on V6 Sedans and $750 on 4-cylinder Sedans, is compatible with the special lease program. Given how much more expensive V6 Accords are than 4-cylinder models, the increased dealer cash will probably not result in a lower lease payment on V6 models right now even with the higher dealer cash allowance. If you provide me with the full MSRP and selling price of the car that you are interested in, I would be more than happy to estimate a lease payment on it for you.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Thanks Beth. Trust me when I say that it is good to be back. Audi Financial Services' current 24 month, 10,000 miles per year base lease money factor and residual value for a lease of a 2005.5 Audi A4 Sedan 2.0T with quattro should currently be .00135 and 71%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease should be .00135 and 59%. If you let me know the full MSRP and selling price of the exact car that you are interested in, I would be happy to tell you exactly what its 3 year lease payment should be like. I have not seen any sort of dealer cash out there on 2005.5 A4's lately, but I believe that Audi is providing $1,000 owner loyalty cash on them in July.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    I am very sorry to hear about your difficult situation, genem1. Unfortunately it is usually fairly expensive to get out of leases well before their scheduled end dates. In order to do so, you need to purchase the Element that you are currently leasing from the bank that you are leasing it through. It often turns out that it costs more to do so than your vehicle is worth on the open market. Furthermore, many banks expect consumers who end their leases early to still make all, or at least the depreciation portion of their remaining lease payments. As you can see, this can get very expensive.

    You can determine approximately how much it will cost you to get out of this lease by comparing your Element's purchase price to its value on the open market at this time. You should place a call to the bank that you are leasing your vehicle through to find out its exact price. Once you know exactly how much money it is going to cost you to buy your leased vehicle you need to compare it to its current value on the open market. You can find out approximately what your vehicle is worth by looking up its Edmunds.com True Market Value in the Used Vehicle Pricing section of this site. You also may want to stop by the following discussion: "Real-World Trade-In Values". One of our most knowledgeable community members, Terry, frequents that discussion and he is often kind enough to give community members who give him an accurate description of their vehicles with his opinion on their value. Don't forget to check to see if you are still on the hook for your remaining lease payments. The difference between your leased vehicle's current value and how much it will cost you to buy it plus any remaining lease payments that you are obligated to pay will equal the cost of getting out of your lease right now. You may find that you are better off driving the Element yourself for the remainder of the lease and giving your wife your other vehicle, provided that it is not leased.

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  • bethcbethc Member Posts: 7
    Thanks-This would be based on a MSRP of $34,000 and selling price of $31,000. I usually think 36 month leases are cheaper, but can you do both a 24 month and 36 month? With this spread in the residuals I think a 24 month may be better. Beth
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    No problem Beth. Let's see what sort of payments we come up with. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2005.5 Audi A4 2.0T Sedan with quattro with an MSRP of $34,000 and selling price of $31,000 through Audi Financial Services right now for 24 months with 10,000 miles per year, its zero down, pre-tax monthly lease payment should be around $361. The payment for an otherwise identical 36 month lease should be around $373. As you can see, you are absolutely correct about the 2 year lease being the better deal right now. Normally 3 year leases have lower monthly payments than 2 year leases because one can spread out vehicles large initial depreciation hits out over an additional 12 payments. However, with this particular vehicle the residual values are currently set so that the 2 year lease is more attractive.

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  • genem1genem1 Member Posts: 2
    Thank you Car-man.
    Guess I was sorta hoping for some kind of miracle.
    I've heard about swaplease and lease trader--will they do me any good?
    Again, thank you
    Genem1
  • spuditospudito Member Posts: 4
    Hi Car Man,

    I am considering a lease with the following terms:

    28,748 price
    $2000 for a trade in
    works out to be a 48 month term lease
    $400 per month includes tax

    Does this sound reasonable to you?
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome Genem1. The web sites that allow consumers to assume others leases' are only good if the bank that you are currently leasing your vehicle through allows lease assumptions. I believe that we are talking about a Honda Element. If that is the case, there is a very good chance that it is being leased through American Honda Finance Corp. I believe that the last that I heard, AHFC does not allow lease assumptions. Also, your lease has to be attractive enough to convince someone to assume it. If one could lease a similar Element for the same payment as or less than your lease, you will likely have to pay money out of your own pocket to convince someone to assume your deal, if it is even allowed. Sorry that I don't have better news for you.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi spudito. I would be more than happy to give you my opinion of this deal, however in order for me to do so I need you to tell me its full MSRP (including destination). This number is necessary to calculate vehicles' lease payment. Once I have it, I can work up a sample lease payment on this van using Honda's actual base lease program. Furthermore, the selling prices of leased vehicles are negotiable. Knowing the MSRP will help me to see how much of a discount you are being given.

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