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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    As much as I hate to say it, I doubt we'll see NAV in the current-generation of either the Impreza or Forester. If that feature does show next year, it most likely will only be on the LL Bean Forester.

    I do think NAV will show on on the all-new '08 models though.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Really?

    Subaru surprised us with a mid-year addition to the 5-pass Tribeca, why not the Forester? They already have the hardware in Japan.

    Just do it.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Well, I did say the most likely candidate would be the LL Bean Forester for '07. I think that could happen. I don't expect it on the Impreza till '08, at the earliest.

    I don't think that would be announced at Miami or Detroit, however. I'd say NY for that.

    My guess is, like last year, Miami will be nothing more than a "teaser" for what will debut at Detroit. It will be used to start building excitement and momentum for that show.

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I'll take Tribeca Kate Spade Edition.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    that what i meant about the miami show being a teaser for the impreza. did not they 'preview' the b9 at miami?
  • jbradjbrad Member Posts: 1
    Looking at this 2004 wrx. What do you thnk about price, looks, etc..... All suggestions welcome. Help ASAP before car sells.

    2004 WRX Turbo
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Actually, we happen to go to that show every year...that's where Michael won the Nascar tickets 2 years ago. Last year we went with Michael's friend and his dad...he drives a new 745iL...talk about driving in style! We will definitely go again this year and I'll take some pics for you guys
    Serge
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    Seems kinda high. Fitzmall has a new 2005 for about $30k.

    2006 Subaru Impreza
    GAITHERSBURG
    1-888-714-7493
    Body: STI 6MT Silver Wheel Color: Black Stock #: S502466

    Delivered Internet Price: $31,286 Factory Invoice: $31,924
    Delivered Value Price: $31,655 MSRP: $34,015

    Delivered Prices on New Vehicles Include Rebates and Incentives Applicable to All Purchasers. Additional Rebates and Incentives May Apply
    2005 Subaru Impreza


    WHITE FLINT
    1-888-870-8549
    Body: STI SDN Silver 5spd Color: Obsidian Black Stock #: S525055

    Delivered Internet Price: $30,702 Factory Invoice: $31,340
    Delivered Value Price: $31,071 MSRP: $33,374

    Delivered Prices on New Vehicles Include Rebates and Incentives Applicable to All Purchasers. Additional Rebates and Incentives May Apply
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    now, OBs & legacies are updated with 2006 models

    OB XT base model is available.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    check this out: mp3, sat radio, nav, traffic in one package. the audio for all 3 can be heard through car stereo through built in fm transmitter.

    http://www.garmin.com/products/sp2730/

    no need to wait for subaru to bring these
  • mayberryguymayberryguy Member Posts: 145
    A real US built Spec B with 6 speed but with a Turbo 4. ;)
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Ok, so what is the real announcement? :D

    Facelifted B9? Or do we have to wait one more year for that?

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Neat, but I really wish that model came with a battery of some sort.

    A friend of mine bought a 2610 and likes it, but when I showed him my c320 he was SOOO jealous that I could yank mine out and still had 8 hours battery life.

    How's the MP3 sound quality with an FM transmitter?

    This is going in the right direction - integration is the next big buzz word.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2006.html#2.5iSE

    Also announced on 11/1 is the return of the Outback 2.5 Limited sedan.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    But no moonroof, like the Legacy SE has.

    Auto only, NAV, 6CD, and you get HAL (climate control).

    Not ideal but at least NAV should be available under $30 grand now.

    They gotta stop this auto-only nonsense.

    -juice
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    Wow, for less than $1500 more than a base OB 2.5i (auto), you get nav, auto climate control, 6 disc CD, and body colored trim -- that sounds like quite a bargain! It's not uncommon for a navigation option *alone* to be $2000. Sure, I wish it was available with the manual transmission, but this is a step in the right direction.

    Now, if Subaru could just wake up and get on the XM/Sirius bandwagon, they'd have me sold. It just boggles my mind that Subaru STILL hasn't begun to offer satellite radio, in spite of this desire to move up market. I absolutely will not buy another new car that does not have this feature built in to the factory system. Baby steps, Subaru!

    Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Where's you get the prices?

    That's great. Definitely, NAV is usually $2 grand alone, though in most cases it comes with a better radio as well, so let's toss in the 6CD.

    I don't particularly care for auto climate control, but I guess that goes with the territory. The rest is just gravy.

    Garmin has that new unit with the XM built-in, plus it does XM Traffic like the Acura RL for real-time traffic re-routing.

    -juice
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I'm going by Joe Spitz's prices on his website...the difference between a 2.5i auto (CA spec) and 2.5 SE was $1486...not bad at all for the additional equipment.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Prices are on that site, just further down the page.

    Outback 2.5i SE automatic trans
    (new model available 11/05)

    Fed: $27,295 + $625 = $27,920
    Ca: $27,495 + $625 = $28,120

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Big disappointment :(

    All they did was officially announce the Legacy Spec B.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-04-2005/00042089- 42&EDATE=

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    so I forget who is buying lunch this time? ;)

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    is available only with these two new and exclusive 2.5i SE colors: Diamond Gray and Seacrest Green.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oh, man! I'm always the one that predicts no news, the one time I go out on a limb, I miss! :cry:

    -juice
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    juice and Bob,
    Don't feel bad...I wasn't even there! The schoolboard announced that there would be no school last Thurs. and Fri. so we went to Sea World in Orlando for the weekend. We usually go to Disney, but we have not been at Sea World in 10 years. We had a great time ther, even though Michael wasn not allowed on Kraken; his arm is not yet fully healed; since Kraken is a floorless coaster, it would've been too much stress on the arm. I will post pics on the gallery this evening.
    Serge
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8c598
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Glad to see they'll use Subaru to do designs for them and not just use up excess capacity at SIA!

    I say it'll be the next Matrix. That model overlaps way too much with the Impreza, same size and all. Especially the AWD model. Question is, will that interfere with the Saab 9-2x? And what about FWD?

    Plus, Toyota wants to use up the capacity at SIA, so maybe they'll do something Subaru could build there.

    -juice
  • scoobydriverscoobydriver Member Posts: 1
    quote:<...will that interfere with the SAAB 9-2x?>

    I think not, since the 9-2x is no more. With GM and FHI parting ways, all SAAB/Subaru joint projects are off.
  • dstew1dstew1 Member Posts: 275
    With the larger redesign of the Rav4, and thus the Highlander's expected growth as well, hasn't there been speculation that the next Matrix might get some features that would slide it into the current Rav's soon-to-be-vacant slot? Increased ride height/ground clearance, more power to the AWD model, etc? Such a change would definitely fit into Subaru's design philosophy.

    Also, this is pretty far out there, but the article only states it will "possibly" be a sporty subcompact. What if it's not? The Forester is looking at a complete overhaul soon. The Rav4 just got one. Strikes against this theory, admittedly, are the fact that in two years the design would already be too old to unveil as "new", and the upcoming Rav is too close in size and power (v6 model) to the Tribeca.

    FJ Cruiser to replace the outgoing Baja? Yaris? Just interesting guesses.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    But they're still building a few of these. I wonder when that will stop.

    Toyota would probably wait for the next-generation Impreza and try to differentiate it a bit more, anyway.

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    FJ Cruiser to replace the outgoing Baja? Yaris? Just interesting guesses.

    Ok, here is a wild one: an AWD boxer engine Tacoma with IRS, to replace the Baja.

    Why not?

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Could be...

    Also, Subaru has no full-size sedan. The Avalon's wheelbase is bigger than the B9's, which might not be considered full-size in this market.

    There is no AWD Avalon, so there would be zero overlap.

    -juice
  • tinycadontinycadon Member Posts: 287
    does anyone know if Subaru plans on using, for example, cylinder de-activation in the Tribeca to improve gas mileage?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Haven't heard anything about that, so I kind of doubt it.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think it's unlikely. Plus the Tribeca would not be a good candidate - it's not often that 1.5 liters' worth of engine could pull all that weight by itself, i.e. it would almost never engage.

    Honda uses VCM on the Ody but it's not working as well as most people have hoped for, again because 3 cylinders are not usually enough to keep it moving. EPA highway cycle averages something like 50mph. But highways tend to flow at 70-75, so it's rarely deactivating the cylinders.

    Ironically, it makes more sense on a V8, like the Hemi, because that still leaves 4 cylinders operating, which can handle the loads under more circumstances.

    I seriously doubt Subaru will use this technology any time soon.

    Honda is putting it in a FWD Pilot for 06. Not sure about the VTM-4 models. Subaru has full-time AWD so there is yet another reason why the system would activate even less often than the Ody's.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8d14d
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    thanks Bob.

    Do you have something official on the Baja phase out?

    John
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    No I don't, just what was mentioned on that blog link.

    Major bummer as far as I'm concerned, as I think the Baja could have evolved into someting really neat and useful. However, given FHI's need to start making some money, I can understand why they pulled the plug. Still sad though... :(

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Aygo was a partnership with 2 european car companies, maybe the next one will be an R1/R2 clone?

    -juice
  • bblachabblacha Member Posts: 160
    this is of course a photoshop. But gosh, wouldn't it be nice:

    http://www.cwwcardesign.com/cars/subaru_legacy.html
  • rangnerrangner Member Posts: 336
    Gorgeous! :) Looks better than the volvo c-whatever it reminds me of.

    Eric
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Totally hot. I'd buy one tomorrow. Honestly. It's a car that could replace both the Miata and the Forester, 2 into 1.

    We'd still have the Legacy wagon.

    -juice
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    That looks like a rehashed LeBaron convertible. If they ever happen to develop a convertible, I think Subaru should focus on a Miata/S2K/Solstice scale convertible that woule be fun to drive, not a porker based on the Legacy platform.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    I thought it looked like the Sebring convertible a bit. It is defintely nice looking though! The only complaint I have with convertibles is there is usually no room for any luggage.

    Small convertible, maybe on the impreza platflorm, would be nice. Wasnt't that how Subaru showed the B9Scrambler a couple of years back? And didn't Juice and Brenda put in dibs for the first couple?

    Mark
  • rangnerrangner Member Posts: 336
    yeah until somebody else wanted in and it became a three-some :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Brenda and I would share the concept car if we could. And yes, we're about half a country apart from each other. LOL

    I need 4 seats, though. The kids love the convertible but I don't take them more than a few blocks in it. There is no passenger air bag, so that's OK, it's just not a lot of protection.

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    There was a concept based on the old Impreza 2.5RS 2dr. Subaru.net used to have a gallery of concept cars that included it, but as far as I know they don't post that gallery anymore.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051123/ap_on_bi_ge/japan_toyota_gm
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    If I roll down my windows and open up the moonroof, I'm halfway there! :-D

    Ken
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    After agonizing for months between a B9, a Sienna and a Solara Convertible, test drives eventually put my crew in an AWD Sienna. But I searched the SE US just to find a Solara convertible to test drive....every one was sold before it got to a dealer! Likewise with the 05 Mustang GT convertible, and I already knew I didnt want one of those.I ended up test driving a used 05 Solara XLE convertible that was being traded in, and another couple actually bought it while I was out on the test drive!
    The market for a well-built 4 passenger convertible with rear seat hip and leg room for adult HUMANS is very strong ( now if Subaru just made some more rear passenger foot room in the Legacy). Ford cant build Mustang convertibles fast enough. A Legacy ragtop would far outsell VW's Beetle Audi's A4 and Volvo's C-70 convertible models, combined.
    Like Ken, I have found that a FXT with the moonroof wide open is a fun-to-drive substitute; admittedly, nobody turns to look as I pass...the aesthetic is not the same!

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'd like to see one, but I wonder if Subaru could sell it at the right price point. The new Volvo will have a hard top, so will the VW Eos and the G6. A complex folding hard top plus AWD would price it way up there in the 30s, I fear.

    I'd still like to see them try.

    -juice
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