Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • rblnrrblnr Member Posts: 124
    Hey, they're trying from a marketing standpoint. I assume this is the new WRX/STI version of the new Impreza, no?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yeah I mean c'mon the hype is not all that folks....

    I hate when manufacturers make things out to be more than they really are....

    I guess I'm just jaded in that almost everything that comes out on cars has been done before in one facet or another.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    roflmao... the Justy is legendary? :D

    ~Colin
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    Which is more legendary, the Justy or Baja? Maybe its a Justy Baja...someone could photoshop that one right?

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...maybe a new SVX??
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    SVX isn't a bad guess, but can something that existed for 5 model-years be legendary?

    ~Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The SVX isn't exactly legendary, more like revolutionary. About 10 years ahead of it's time. I would love to see a new SVX with the 3.6L engine, coupe, low slung, mmmmm

    Doubt it will happen.

    -mike
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    SVX isn't a bad guess, but can something that existed for 5 model-years be legendary?

    Actually I was thinking of the model before it - wasn't it called the SVT?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    That was the XT6.

    2.7L Flat Six

    Owned 2 of em. Still miss that car a lot. Had good power about 175hp and torque across the whole range. Easy to work on, changed the plugs, cap, rotor and wires in 20 min.

    Just kept going and going. Few mechanical issues in the driveline.

    -mike
  • rblnrrblnr Member Posts: 124
    Would be a heckuva surprise to have kept that under wraps
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    That was the XT6.

    2.7L Flat Six

    Owned 2 of em. Still miss that car a lot. Had good power about 175hp and torque across the whole range. Easy to work on, changed the plugs, cap, rotor and wires in 20 min.

    Just kept going and going. Few mechanical issues in the driveline.

    -mike
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,754
    Hahaha, I was trying to think of the least likely candidate for that status. :P
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
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    http://www.pbase.com/paisan/xt6
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    XT6 that's it. I baby sat one of those for a month. What an odd little car. Fun but odd.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    How about the BRAT? Legendary?

    Maybe a BAJA BRAT lol.

    John
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I loved my XT6s Would love to find one in good condition. Peppy, weird but cool stuff. Heck it even had headlight washers.

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    From Subaru Global: "The Alcyone's (XT6 in the US) sweeping wedge shape and the fully rounded curves enabled this model to achieve the world's lowest air resistance level, 0.29 CD (coefficient of drag)."
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Which held the record until very recently actually. I belive it was only broken in the past 5 years or so.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm pretty sure it's the new WRX, folks. ;)

    Even though it's only been here since '02, it won rally championships well before that date.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    This goes back a bit but I'm just catching up...

    "And 14 Outbacks. They need to reduce the number of models and add more standalone options. It's silly to have a separate model for w/VDC & without, and w/NAV & without. Either of those should be available as an option on any model."

    Whats the difference? Isn't it 6 of one and half dozen of another? I agree that things could be simplified by making VDC standard across the board, but my guess is that having separate model codes makes the manufacturing process easier...

    Honda takes a similar approach, and in general, I think it works well. There's 18 Accord Sedan models ranging from VP 5M to EX-L V6 6M NAVI.

    Are there no Outback SEDANS for 2008? Am I reading that chart correctly?

    And finally... I definitely think the Legacy 2.5i should be dumped like the trash. What's the point? The SE is such a better value.

    ~alpha
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    No, There are no Outback sedans for 2008.

    The Legacy outback line up is a bit awkward now but I believe it is part of a larger plan.

    Here are my predictions based on the obvious and and input over the years from the Subaru crew:

    The Impreza is now based on the Japanese legacy. For the next model change the Legacy should grow in size with a new sedan to compete with Camry/Accord etc.

    The Forester will move to either the current legacy platform or a new one altogether. It should maintain the boxier shape it has for efficiency of space.

    I think Outback will grow to the current Tribeca platform but with a more upscale sport wagon appearance and function.

    That leaves Tribeca's next incarnation to grow to a true 7 (adult) passenger platform.

    A minivan especially after Ford and GM dropped theirs is not needed.

    In my opinion Subaru has put "upscale" aside to first further differentiate models in the line up. This will result in a broader appeal in the market , ultimately setting the stage( and audience) to go upscale.

    Subaru values criticism and make use of it to improve product. No other company does this as well!!!

    Charlie
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    No, There are no Outback sedans for 2008.

    The Legacy outback line up is a bit awkward now but I believe it is part of a larger plan.

    Here are my predictions based on the obvious and and input over the years from the Subaru crew:

    The Impreza is now based on the Japanese legacy. For the next model change the Legacy should grow in size with a new sedan to compete with Camry/Accord etc.

    The Forester will move to either the current legacy platform or a new one altogether. It should maintain the boxier shape it has for efficiency of space.

    I think Outback will grow to the current Tribeca platform but with a more upscale sport wagon appearance and function.

    That leaves Tribeca's next incarnation to grow to a true 7 (adult) passenger platform.

    A minivan especially after Ford and GM dropped theirs is not needed.

    In my opinion Subaru has put "upscale" aside to first further differentiate models in the line up. This will result in a broader appeal in the market , ultimately setting the stage( and audience) to go upscale.

    Subaru values criticism and make use of it to improve product. No other company does this!!!

    Charlie
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Surprised there's been not even a peep here yet: Small, low-quality pics of the '08 WRX sedan & hatch appeared on another forum & were promptly removed by a Subaru-employed moderator there, creating quite a stir. The assumption is that they are "leaked" photos, not somebody's illustration. I won't put our good Edmunds hosts in a sticky position & post them, but they are, at this point, posted on many other sites. There's a sedan front 3/4 shot, a hatch front 3/4 shot, hatch rear 3/4 shot, grille closeup (ugh!), hatch taillight closeup, climate control closeup, rear lip and dual exhaust closeup, and a closeup of an Impreza WRX badge with part of the sedan taillight.

    It's really too hard to get anything but general impressions from the small photos. Grill doesn't do a thing for me - if I purchased an Impreza, I'd be looking for some type of aftermarket product that looked a bit more like the Legacy's. Taillights are OK - the altezza style on the hatch doesn't do it for me, but will appeal to some. General shape seems OK to me... rather Honda-ish styling, from what I can tell, not what I'd call Euro. Maybe seeing it in person or in larger photos will change that impression. I'm not excited about the little stub antenna on top of the roof, either... in the glass was fine by me & made for a cleaner look. I think it will probably have decent appeal for the general public - not too crazy, not too bland. Definitely not the shocker that Tribeca was. After seeing this design, I'm sure they're gunshy. This doesn't look quirky to me.

    Can't wait to see high-quality official pics, and see the thing in person.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I've seen that link, and I've also held off posting the link just as you have, for the same reason.

    As you've said the images are tiny "teaser" images. What it does is confirm that the recent Photoshop images were pretty darn close. Unlike you, I do like the rear hatch with the JDM Outback-like chrome strip. I do agree, that the grille, from what we can see, is Wonderbread bland. :(

    Bob
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    I have to say that Subaru has done a heck of a job keeping the new Impreza under wraps. We are, what, around 10 days from the launch and there is still uncertainty out there. Compare that to the new Mitsu Evo, which already feels like its been on the market for 18 months!

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Bob - it's not the hatch or the chrome strip I don't really care for, they're fine. It's the taillights themselves. They just say "riced" Civic to me. I'd imagine the standard Impreza taillights won't be altezza-style, so maybe that'd make for a nice swap. Trade out the taillights, and perhaps grille, and it could good. (Of course, I'd like my OB better w/the JDM chrome strip & taillights, but I doubt I'll ever switch 'em out.) Really too soon to tell much... these are just gut reactions from small photos, and you can't see the creases very well.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Ok now that the towing issue with the Armada has passed, it's on to looking for a moderately priced Sport coupe or sedan. Tempted to wait for the new Impreza to see if I like it. From those blury pics of the new impreza, I like the front end but the back end is not looking good at all.

    -mike
  • cusafrcusafr Member Posts: 184
    Paisan: Have you seen the three SVX'x on E-Bay?

    The 1994 is a 1-owner.

    cusafr
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Haven't seen them, but not sure I'd want to buy one of that vintage. Scared of the transes on em :( Might check em out though.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Can't tell much from some teaser pics.

    The back reminded me of the Acura RDX, which I like. So far so good.

    We should see more pics in the next couple of days. I'm sure someone will break the embargo.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    ...which is hitting the newsstands now. Someone from nabisco picked it up and reported the following:

    May 2007 Motor Trend "New WRX -Subaru's rally rocket goes radical". Story starts on page 38 "subaru wrx impreza (first look)", 6 pages of story on the car, lots of pictures from all sides. Sedan or hatchback, 2.5l/224-hp/226-lb-ft. That is dissapointing. 5 speed manual, 4 speed auto, stupid move subaru for those that are reading. 3150-3200 lbs, 0-60 in 5.5 MT estimated time. There is even a picture of the photographers shooting the car in the studio.

    I can't believe they're still using the 4EAT in the WRX!

    Bob
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,807
    There is a scan of the WRX from the MT cover up on Nabisco now, too.

    The 4EAT is like a weed that won't die.

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2533

    Bob
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    The 4EAT is like a weed that won't die.

    Amen.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Agreed—and another reason why the WRX will likely remain 95% manual trannys in sales.

    Bob
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    Wow. Is it really that high currently?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    It's only offered in the WRX Limited, and I haven't seen any automatics in months on dealers lots. In most markets the automatic WRX isn't even offered because there's no demand for it. In Australia it was around 4%, so they dropped it.

    Bob
  • aaykayaaykay Member Posts: 539
    This is the worst news I ever heard till date. Putting a 4EAT into a 2008 model year, newly designed product, costing nearly 30K, is a pretty dumb move, IMO. :confuse: Especially galling since subcompacts costing less than 15K, like the Honda Fit, have had 5-speed Automatics for over a year. In fact, every single Honda, from the lowly "Fit" to their higher end products, all come with at least a 5EAT. Shameful, Subaru.

    The Subaru product planner who made this decision, should be sent into early retirement with all retirement benefits denied. Prior to releasing him, they should also blacken his face. :mad: :mad:
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I agree. Dumb move Subaru—especially for the WRX! :(

    Bob
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    I don't realy care that much, but I agree - it's idiotic. 5-speed manual is also a disapointment, although not as big.

    Knowing Subaru, they will do it again. At product launch the value will be just so-so (new skin and undercarriage, but old powertrain) and over next couple of years they'll bring more with very small price adjustments. They do it all the time.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yep, that's been their history. Rarely do they offer major mechanical upgrades when they change bodies.

    I expect the 5EAT in the Impreza to arrive after (or when) it replaces the 4EAT across the entire Legacy/Outback lineup. When the '08 Legacy and Outbacks were announced still offering the 4EAT on non-turbos or H6s, I knew it would be carried over on the Impreza lineup. I was hoping the WRX would at least get the 5EAT as an option.

    Bob
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Unbelievable. Next you will tell me that there is no VDC either.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hmm thinking more and more about a used C320 as a daily driver. Subaru is letting us down a lot :(

    -mike
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    very ironic that Subaru made a statement that they will shift focus from engineering to more customers' needs. They are behind even in engineering ? 4et even after it took 6-7 years to bring the next generation.

    very disappointing.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Kicker is they have the technology to do it. VDC/5EAT and VDC/6MT should be across the board. Vary the engine in the STi, suspension, brakes, suspension pieces, interior, etc.

    -mike
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    very ironic that Subaru made a statement that they will shift focus from engineering to more customers' needs.

    Well they only made that statement 2 weeks ago - a little late to change the specs on a new intro.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...would look at home on a Chrysler Sebring.

    One could go surfing on the front facade - lots of waves!!
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    exactly, i thought of chrysler too. i didn't like the grille part.

    is bringing 5et & 6spd pushing the price up for subaru that people aren't willing to pay for ? i bet that's the reason.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    How much extra does it really cost to make the 5EAT and 6MT over their current models? My guess is the overall higher volume of the same parts would lead to a decrease in price overall. Tune the TCUs differently if you want to differentiate em.

    -mike
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    And I was ALMOST thinking of trading in my Mazda3 this year on a new Impreza...but not if they're sticking with the 4EAT.
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