Yes, there is a 1.5 Impreza. The problem is it's a boxer engine, and won't fit in a Justy, which uses a transverse 1.0 3-cylinder engine. The Boon use this engine as well as a 1.3L 4-cylinder engine.
After much debate on 3rd row comfort in tribeca, i just bought 08 tribeca with everything on it. It drives like a dream. I honestly think this will be a hit (like WRX).
nothing else comes even close in its price range. Got a Deep Bronze metallic color. MSRP 39k (with puddle, auto dimm, remote start). Got it for 35k - 2k subaru bucks = 33k at 2.9% financing.
thanks everyone !
NOW I AM A PROUD OWNER OF 2 SUBARUS, THE OTHER ONE IS 05 XT. MY WIFE DUMPED ODDY - CALLING IT A BIG BOX.
Ordered a 2008 a week or so ago. Wanted the "hidden" hitch with the tow package. There weren't any in the area. Yes, it is the 7 passenger (grandkids get the last row seats :P ) with the gold metallic color. At least you had instant gratification But this Tribeca doesn't have a nav or other "fancy stuff" :P since I already have a GPS.
My delivery date is in late September. Just in time to order winter tires mounted on look-alike wheels. Boy, 18" tires are a bit pricey.
The Tribeca's stable mate will be my trusty '98 OBW Ltd 5 spd. Been my skiing car since new. Now has only 111,243 mi. Miles per year have dropped a bit since I retired. Plus it is our tow car (toad) for our motor home. So it actually has about 121,000+ miles if you want to include towing miles.
Not sure about the TPMS. Have to wait for the car to arrive and read the documentation.
So far I've only checked the "Tire Rack" for 18" wheels but they don't have anything for the Tribeca yet. Was going to get the Bridgestone Blizzak tires (have them for the OBW and Jeep), but they want $292 (?) apiece. Now looking at cheaper winter tires.
Significantly, torque at 2,000 rpm is now 221 lb ft instead of around 150 lb ft. This translates into much livelier acceleration from low engine speeds and an effortless seam of power in everyday driving. Power is also considerably greater from idle until 3,500 rpm.
Almost 50% more low rpm torque will provide the feel of a much larger engine!
Significantly, torque at 2,000 rpm is now 221 lb ft instead of around 150 lb ft.
Please note that this comparison refers specifically to their 2.0T in the prior version vs the 2.5T in the current 08 version. Europe never got a 2.5Turbo in their WRX. They are NOT comparing the US-Spec 06/07 2.5T vs the new 2.5T.
Obviously, it was no secret that the 2.0T was never a low end torque monster and very easy to mistakenly assume that the above statement is comparing a 2.5T to a newer 2.5T (like the situation in the US). That slight nuance is significant !
I casually mentioned a Tribeca as a 2nd car to my wife and she liked the idea a lot. I think I'd rather get a Forester for her, though, since we now have the van. Can't wait to see the new 2009s...
The Sienna got Bluetooth for 2008, but my model wouldn't have gotten it anyway because you have to get the JBL sound system (it comes with the rear DVD player). That's $2200 and you only get an 8" screen. We got an aftermarket 12" screen for $900.
New Impreza had 4-star NHTSA safety crash rating for front driver and both side impacts (five star for passenger). Simply stunning and arguably most disapointing piece of evidence that the "Legend reborn" was ill-conceived :lemon: . This is indefensible. They better fix it quick or "Fortunes sinking" thread will be resurected... :sick:
Look again. Here is the cut and paste:New 2.5 Litre (WRX) Turbo Engine In Detail The renowned 2.5 litre turbocharged ‘boxer’ engine fitted to the new Impreza WRX receives meaningful revisions to improve efficiency and provide much gutsier throttle response in ‘real world’ driving conditions.
Maximum power for the standard WRX is an identical 230 PS to the previous model but now at a lower 5,200 rpm instead of 5,600 rpm.
Torque (pulling power) is also the same as before at 236 lb ft but now at a more accessible 2,800 rpm instead of 3,600 rpm.
Significantly, torque at 2,000 rpm is now 221 lb ft instead of around 150 lb ft. This translates into much livelier acceleration from low engine speeds and an effortless seam of power in everyday driving. Power is also considerably greater from idle until 3,500 rpm.
'Tis true. I've driven 3 new WRXs and the power does come on a bit lower in the rev band than it does on my '06 WRX.
The last one I drove, this past Friday, I was able to take it on some windy, hilly and bumpy roads. It rides MUCH better than does my car on bad roads—and it it was fun to fling through tight switchbacks. It soaks up the bumps much like the Outback that I drove a couple of years ago on the SOA Las Vegas Ride-and-Drive.
Had the new WRX been available when I bought my 2005 3.0R wagon I would be driving one. The Legacy GT wagon that I drove had far too much low rpm lag...hence the 3.0R.
With elimination of the Legacy GT wagon, the WRX wagon seems an adequate substitution. Perhaps that was the thinking behind eliminating the Leg GT wagon.
With elimination of the Legacy GT wagon, the WRX wagon seems an adequate substitution. Perhaps that was the thinking behind eliminating the Leg GT wagon.
I think you're right. I've stuffed a lot of things into my '06 WRX wagon, and the new one rides much like a Legacy. No, it's not as roomy as a full-fledge Legacy/Outback wagon, but it's still pretty good.
think you're right. I've stuffed a lot of things into my '06 WRX wagon, and the new one rides much like a Legacy
The new Impreza hatchback doen't even come close in cargo space when compared to old legacy wagon. And WRX is not even half of the Legacy wagon replacement in many other terms, from interior styling to refinements, to "class". No way. I had that hope, too bu after yesterday there is no doubt in my mind - Legacy wagon is lost and never to be found...
In terms of size, yeah you're right. In terms of content, if you compare the new WRX 5-door with the first year model of this current generation car, the '05 Legacy GT wagon—and not the Limited, but the base cloth-seat 5-speed wagon that was offered back then, it's not far off in terms of content. A couple of features the new WRX comes standard with VDC, which wasn't even available on top-of-the-line '05 Legacys. In addition, you can now get NAV and satellite radio, again features not available on the '05 model.
Going back a bit further to say 1995 or so, the new Impreza sedan is within fractions of an inch (length, width, height & wheelbase) of Legacy sedans of that era.
We can do a point-counterpoint until the cows come home, but the bottom line (for me) is that the new WRX 5-door is a reasonable alernative—and certainly a more "fun" alternative—to a Legacy GT wagon.
Yes we can go back and forth. I'm not trying to get the last word here - just to point out that while if using feature list we could indeed construe that Impreza could replace Legacy. But why use 2005 content list, not last year or this year's Canadian model? I would not go to 1995 in my size comparisons, either. It's completely irrelevant - almost all 1995 models were smaller, regardless of brand.
Extrapolating last year pricing, there is plenty of stuff you'd get with Legacy wagon for 27-30 grand (WRX w/Premium and/or Nav). And it simply looks better (for me - I seek class and convenience now), both inside and out - has leather, sunroof if desired. Add couple of grand and you get even more hp (assuming Legacy GT would cross 30K threshold, at the sticker), admittedly at slightly different curve that some people say may be less advantegous.
You are free to dring all Koolaid you want, Bob - if you like it who am I to say. But I stay with my assertions. 2008 Impreza, whether 2.5i or WRX is not even close to replace/substitute/proxy Legacy wagon. That model is lost and until Subaru comes to their senses, I'm likely to shop for a new car in Europe - quite unfortunately.
I would not go to 1995 in my size comparisons, either. It's completely irrelevant - almost all 1995 models were smaller, regardless of brand.
I don't agree. There are many people out there who long for what the Legacy (sedan) used to be. This new Impreza addresses those issues and speaks to that audience.
Honda has done the same thing. The new Civic is in many ways, both in size and content, very similar as to what the Accord was 10 or 15 years ago.
If extra space is your main priority, the answer is simple. Buy an Outback. SOA, whether you agree with them or not, has determined that there were not enough Legacy wagon customers out there for them to continue offering that model. They're simply streamlining their product offering in order for increased profits. If they thought there was good profit potential in continuing with a Legacy wagon, they'd continue selling it, I'm sure.
Allright then - you say there are people like that I believe you. There are always some pople who want something. So how about those people who want last year's/this year's (JDM/Canadian) size? I guess all they have left is to shell out over 10 grand more and go to Munich :sick:
I would not go to 1995 in my size comparisons, either. It's completely irrelevant - almost all 1995 models were smaller, regardless of brand.
I don't agree. There are many people out there who long for what the Legacy (sedan) used to be. This new Impreza addresses those issues and speaks to that audience Bob,
Yes indeed. At one time I had a 97 Legacy GT wagon and its lower weight (like the new WRX) is appropriate for stop-and-go city driving. The shorter length of the new WRX is a huge plus for city parking. Think of the new Honda CRV as the real competition in this segment; it may take some Impreza wagon sales because of mpg.
The shorter length of the new WRX is a huge plus for city parking. Think of the new Honda CRV as the real competition in this segment; it may take some Impreza wagon sales because of mpg.
I don't think you can compare the CRV with the WRX/Impreza, in terms of the people carrying capacity or the interior space. Once you sit inside the CRV, you will realize that it is way larger than the Outback in terms of interior space (legroom, shoulder room, hatch area etc), let alone the Impreza-based WRX.
The "symmetrical AWD" of Subaru does not allow the packaging efficiency that Honda can manage with their layout, even if the exterior sizes are similar. In this case, even the exterior in the Honda is a lot larger.
Look again. Here is the cut and paste:New 2.5 Litre (WRX) Turbo Engine In Detail The renowned 2.5 litre turbocharged ‘boxer’ engine fitted to the new Impreza WRX receives meaningful revisions to improve efficiency and provide much gutsier throttle response in ‘real world’ driving conditions.
I don't see any contradiction in the above, with what I stated earlier. The "new engine" with 2.5L of displacement, is definitely gutsier (than the earlier 2.0Turbo). Did I miss something here ?
I think if the 06/07 US-Spec WRXs were not equipped with the 2.5Turbo (like the rest of the world), and we are comparing the new 2.5Turbo with the 02-05 2.0Turbo, the new engine is head-and-shoulders above the Non-Variable-Valve-Timing 2.0T, specifically when it comes to city driving. The 2.0T was gutless below 3000rpm, unlike the Variable Valve timing 2.5T in the 06/07, which has usable power from right off of idle to its redline.
I think the biggest perceptional barrier for the 08 (in the US market), are the improvements made to the 06/07 - move to a 2.5Turbo with variable valve timing and other associated driveline changes, move to a 15.0:1 ratio steering rack from the STI with a quick 2.7 Turns lock-to-lock, move to 17" wheels and 215/45-17 tires, move to the 4-pot brakes in the front and 2-pot rears, Interior changes, suspension changes etc.
If none of the above had happened, the 08 would have been seen (in the US-market, as in the rest of the world) as a major upgrade (from a performance standpoint too), IMO. And in markets where the above had not happened, the 08 is definitely a big upgrade (performance wise), albeit with softer suspension settings. The interior packaging (from a people carrying standpoint) is obviously much better in the 08 version, even though it is strange that the Storage capacity has reduced to 44 Cu ft in the 08 hatch (with rear seats down), when compared to 62 cu ft in the 07 wagon (with rear seats down) and even more strange that Subaru does not recommend towing with the 08 Hatch (2000 lbs towing capacity in the pre-08 version).
This is expected when there is a full redesign. i am sure they will fix it next year. Also, we don't how far off they were from 5 star rating...may be it was real close.
Frankly, I, too, would love to have a '76 Buick Electra 225 2 or 4 door Limited. Saw a beautiful blue one in the area about a week ago (in great shape), and was wishing to myself I had the dough to buy one.
My dad loved his late 70s Electra 2 door. LOVED it. Cried the day it was towed away, all decrepit and broken. He took the seats out and put them on his patio. That's how much he loved that Buick!
I think if I ever won the lottery I'd have one restored to original condition, cost no object, for him.
I guess it could make sense, you'd still get the performance yet you'd spend a lot less on fuel.
Diesels are usually 40% more efficient, but diesel fuel near me once again cost more than even premium gas. Regular gas is a lot cheaper and nearly offsets half that 40% gain.
However, the WRX uses premium, so a diesel could potentially save you that full 40% overall.
Downside from the environment standpoint is worse emissions per gallon. If they get much better mileage, it does still work to a net benefit. Maybe the new Subie will Blue-tec or similar clean emissions variety. Mercedes has it in the C-class now. Funnily enough they didn't bother upgrading the R or M series which run the same engine. According to the sales hack ( and yes, I know how reliable that is ) the difference in hardware is emissions parts only.
Actually that's a bit of a misleading point that I often see made. Diesel uses the longer chain hydrocarbons which are found to varying degrees in crude and deterine whether it's light crude or heavy crude. Gasoline uses shorter chains. In refining, they break down the longer chains to shorter chains in order to make make it less tar-like and into more useable forms. Usualy to make more of it available as gasoline. You don't go the other way to make chains longer. So yes, you get more gas per barrel of oil than you do diesel, but the demand for gasoline still remains so high that all the rest gets used anyway. Oversimplified analogy is to think of the diesel as cream and gasoline as skim milk. One gets less cream per gallon, but the milk isn't wasted, it's consumed by others. There would only be an issue if diesel use became so high that the demand for crude rose and then the gasoline left over became a waste product. Not likely!
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Bob
I hope it's a roadster!
After much debate on 3rd row comfort in tribeca, i just bought 08 tribeca with everything on it. It drives like a dream. I honestly think this will be a hit (like WRX).
nothing else comes even close in its price range. Got a Deep Bronze metallic color. MSRP 39k (with puddle, auto dimm, remote start). Got it for 35k - 2k subaru bucks = 33k at 2.9% financing.
thanks everyone !
NOW I AM A PROUD OWNER OF 2 SUBARUS, THE OTHER ONE IS 05 XT. MY WIFE DUMPED ODDY - CALLING IT A BIG BOX.
Bob
only 2 features that i wanted didn't exist:
1. bluetooth. I am using a garmin bluetooth
2. power tailgate opener. not sure why it is so hard for sub.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19076519&postcount=1
So if Imprezas will offer it you know more upscale models will also offer it.
Bob
Ordered a 2008 a week or so ago. Wanted the "hidden" hitch with the tow package. There weren't any in the area. Yes, it is the 7 passenger (grandkids get the last row seats :P ) with the gold metallic color. At least you had instant gratification
My delivery date is in late September. Just in time to order winter tires mounted on look-alike wheels. Boy, 18" tires are a bit pricey.
The Tribeca's stable mate will be my trusty '98 OBW Ltd 5 spd. Been my skiing car since new. Now has only 111,243 mi. Miles per year have dropped a bit since I retired. Plus it is our tow car (toad) for our motor home. So it actually has about 121,000+ miles if you want to include towing miles.
Toboggan
one question,what are you doing with the TPMS on your new winter wheels? are you going to ignore it or put sensors on it?
i am still using the garmin NUVI - easy to use, with bluetooth etc.
My fav features are the puddle lights, ambient lighting inside the cabin etc
So far I've only checked the "Tire Rack" for 18" wheels but they don't have anything for the Tribeca yet. Was going to get the Bridgestone Blizzak tires (have them for the OBW and Jeep), but they want $292 (?) apiece. Now looking at cheaper winter tires.
Geeze, only 4 more weeks to go....
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/08/2008-subaru-impreza-euro-specs-released.htm- l
Bob
Significantly, torque at 2,000 rpm is now 221 lb ft instead of around 150 lb ft. This translates into much livelier acceleration from low engine speeds and an effortless seam of power in everyday driving. Power is also considerably greater from idle until 3,500 rpm.
Almost 50% more low rpm torque will provide the feel of a much larger engine!
Please note that this comparison refers specifically to their 2.0T in the prior version vs the 2.5T in the current 08 version. Europe never got a 2.5Turbo in their WRX. They are NOT comparing the US-Spec 06/07 2.5T vs the new 2.5T.
Obviously, it was no secret that the 2.0T was never a low end torque monster and very easy to mistakenly assume that the above statement is comparing a 2.5T to a newer 2.5T (like the situation in the US). That slight nuance is significant !
I casually mentioned a Tribeca as a 2nd car to my wife and she liked the idea a lot. I think I'd rather get a Forester for her, though, since we now have the van. Can't wait to see the new 2009s...
The Sienna got Bluetooth for 2008, but my model wouldn't have gotten it anyway because you have to get the JBL sound system (it comes with the rear DVD player). That's $2200 and you only get an 8" screen. We got an aftermarket 12" screen for $900.
I'll happily live without Bluetooth.
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The renowned 2.5 litre turbocharged ‘boxer’ engine fitted to the new Impreza WRX receives meaningful revisions to improve efficiency and provide much gutsier throttle response in ‘real world’ driving conditions.
Maximum power for the standard WRX is an identical 230 PS to the previous model but now at a lower 5,200 rpm instead of 5,600 rpm.
Torque (pulling power) is also the same as before at 236 lb ft but now at a more accessible 2,800 rpm instead of 3,600 rpm.
Significantly, torque at 2,000 rpm is now 221 lb ft instead of around 150 lb ft. This translates into much livelier acceleration from low engine speeds and an effortless seam of power in everyday driving. Power is also considerably greater from idle until 3,500 rpm.
The last one I drove, this past Friday, I was able to take it on some windy, hilly and bumpy roads. It rides MUCH better than does my car on bad roads—and it it was fun to fling through tight switchbacks. It soaks up the bumps much like the Outback that I drove a couple of years ago on the SOA Las Vegas Ride-and-Drive.
Bob
With elimination of the Legacy GT wagon, the WRX wagon seems an adequate substitution. Perhaps that was the thinking behind eliminating the Leg GT wagon.
I think you're right. I've stuffed a lot of things into my '06 WRX wagon, and the new one rides much like a Legacy. No, it's not as roomy as a full-fledge Legacy/Outback wagon, but it's still pretty good.
Bob
The new Impreza hatchback doen't even come close in cargo space when compared to old legacy wagon. And WRX is not even half of the Legacy wagon replacement in many other terms, from interior styling to refinements, to "class". No way. I had that hope, too bu after yesterday there is no doubt in my mind - Legacy wagon is lost and never to be found...
2018 430i Gran Coupe
In terms of size, yeah you're right. In terms of content, if you compare the new WRX 5-door with the first year model of this current generation car, the '05 Legacy GT wagon—and not the Limited, but the base cloth-seat 5-speed wagon that was offered back then, it's not far off in terms of content. A couple of features the new WRX comes standard with VDC, which wasn't even available on top-of-the-line '05 Legacys. In addition, you can now get NAV and satellite radio, again features not available on the '05 model.
Going back a bit further to say 1995 or so, the new Impreza sedan is within fractions of an inch (length, width, height & wheelbase) of Legacy sedans of that era.
We can do a point-counterpoint until the cows come home, but the bottom line (for me) is that the new WRX 5-door is a reasonable alernative—and certainly a more "fun" alternative—to a Legacy GT wagon.
Bob
Extrapolating last year pricing, there is plenty of stuff you'd get with Legacy wagon for 27-30 grand (WRX w/Premium and/or Nav). And it simply looks better (for me - I seek class and convenience now), both inside and out - has leather, sunroof if desired. Add couple of grand and you get even more hp (assuming Legacy GT would cross 30K threshold, at the sticker), admittedly at slightly different curve that some people say may be less advantegous.
You are free to dring all Koolaid you want, Bob - if you like it who am I to say. But I stay with my assertions. 2008 Impreza, whether 2.5i or WRX is not even close to replace/substitute/proxy Legacy wagon. That model is lost and until Subaru comes to their senses, I'm likely to shop for a new car in Europe - quite unfortunately.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I don't agree. There are many people out there who long for what the Legacy (sedan) used to be. This new Impreza addresses those issues and speaks to that audience.
Honda has done the same thing. The new Civic is in many ways, both in size and content, very similar as to what the Accord was 10 or 15 years ago.
If extra space is your main priority, the answer is simple. Buy an Outback. SOA, whether you agree with them or not, has determined that there were not enough Legacy wagon customers out there for them to continue offering that model. They're simply streamlining their product offering in order for increased profits. If they thought there was good profit potential in continuing with a Legacy wagon, they'd continue selling it, I'm sure.
Bob
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I don't agree. There are many people out there who long for what the Legacy (sedan) used to be. This new Impreza addresses those issues and speaks to that audience
Bob,
Yes indeed. At one time I had a 97 Legacy GT wagon and its lower weight (like the new WRX) is appropriate for stop-and-go city driving. The shorter length of the new WRX is a huge plus for city parking. Think of the new Honda CRV as the real competition in this segment; it may take some Impreza wagon sales because of mpg.
I don't think you can compare the CRV with the WRX/Impreza, in terms of the people carrying capacity or the interior space. Once you sit inside the CRV, you will realize that it is way larger than the Outback in terms of interior space (legroom, shoulder room, hatch area etc), let alone the Impreza-based WRX.
The "symmetrical AWD" of Subaru does not allow the packaging efficiency that Honda can manage with their layout, even if the exterior sizes are similar. In this case, even the exterior in the Honda is a lot larger.
The renowned 2.5 litre turbocharged ‘boxer’ engine fitted to the new Impreza WRX receives meaningful revisions to improve efficiency and provide much gutsier throttle response in ‘real world’ driving conditions.
I don't see any contradiction in the above, with what I stated earlier. The "new engine" with 2.5L of displacement, is definitely gutsier (than the earlier 2.0Turbo). Did I miss something here ?
I think if the 06/07 US-Spec WRXs were not equipped with the 2.5Turbo (like the rest of the world), and we are comparing the new 2.5Turbo with the 02-05 2.0Turbo, the new engine is head-and-shoulders above the Non-Variable-Valve-Timing 2.0T, specifically when it comes to city driving. The 2.0T was gutless below 3000rpm, unlike the Variable Valve timing 2.5T in the 06/07, which has usable power from right off of idle to its redline.
I think the biggest perceptional barrier for the 08 (in the US market), are the improvements made to the 06/07 - move to a 2.5Turbo with variable valve timing and other associated driveline changes, move to a 15.0:1 ratio steering rack from the STI with a quick 2.7 Turns lock-to-lock, move to 17" wheels and 215/45-17 tires, move to the 4-pot brakes in the front and 2-pot rears, Interior changes, suspension changes etc.
If none of the above had happened, the 08 would have been seen (in the US-market, as in the rest of the world) as a major upgrade (from a performance standpoint too), IMO. And in markets where the above had not happened, the 08 is definitely a big upgrade (performance wise), albeit with softer suspension settings. The interior packaging (from a people carrying standpoint) is obviously much better in the 08 version, even though it is strange that the Storage capacity has reduced to 44 Cu ft in the 08 hatch (with rear seats down), when compared to 62 cu ft in the 07 wagon (with rear seats down) and even more strange that Subaru does not recommend towing with the 08 Hatch (2000 lbs towing capacity in the pre-08 version).
Bob
Remember when the 05 Legacy scored not-so-well they did a quick fix and got great scores for the 06 model. That was for IIHS tests, though.
Bob
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I beg to disagree. You do not release half-backed product if you want my respect, IMHO - at least not intentionally.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I just checked the pics on the Subaru website, and the new Outback Sport is without a temp gauge too. Apart from that, me likey! :-)
So when is the diesel coming for this model?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Bob
I think if I ever won the lottery I'd have one restored to original condition, cost no object, for him.
Mom would get something even nicer. :shades:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/3301
Bob
People already whine about the WRX costing too much over the price of a 2.5i.
People already whine about the WRX costing too much over the price of a 2.5i.
If the new turbos still have the better engine block they are worth the price. One site suggests that they do not. Any one know?
Bob
Diesels are usually 40% more efficient, but diesel fuel near me once again cost more than even premium gas. Regular gas is a lot cheaper and nearly offsets half that 40% gain.
However, the WRX uses premium, so a diesel could potentially save you that full 40% overall.
No word yet if we will get them at all.
Bob
So yes, you get more gas per barrel of oil than you do diesel, but the demand for gasoline still remains so high that all the rest gets used anyway. Oversimplified analogy is to think of the diesel as cream and gasoline as skim milk. One gets less cream per gallon, but the milk isn't wasted, it's consumed by others. There would only be an issue if diesel use became so high that the demand for crude rose and then the gasoline left over became a waste product. Not likely!