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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For the SEMA crowd they'll probably do a few STIs. Maybe a Limited? Or even a WRX Limited?

    That's the target demographic for that show.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    For the SEMA crowd they'll probably do a few STIs. Maybe a Limited? Or even a WRX Limited?

    That's the target demographic for that show.


    You never know. The target demographic of SEMA members actually is anyone who wants to do anything to any vehicle. Heck DTS', Lucernes, Fusions, F150's are all on display there.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    True, but isn't the main focus on sport compacts?
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Too early to say but maybe a Legacy Tuned by STi or Legacy STi (though slim chance about the latter).
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    True, but isn't the main focus on sport compacts?

    Not anymore. SEMA works with both aftermarket companies and auto makers to bring them together in order to find business opportunities. It's not just carbon fibre hoods and coffee can exhausts anymore. In fact, SEMA asked it's members to tone down the clothing the models wore because it's supposed to be an industry show where major business and deals are conducted not an episode of NOPI Tunervision with bikini contests and foam pits.

    Here are some of the less "tuner" things being shown:

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/chrysler-black-jack.html

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news071017_ford_2007_sema_- show/

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news071022_gm_2007_sema_sh- ow

    Further, SEMA has really started enforcing that it's a trade only show and no more letting any schlub in off the street.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Trust me guys. SPT will be showing an 09 Forester at SEMA.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I know Subaru has something planned for SEMA.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/sema/2007/index.html

    If it's what you say Mike, then it's likely a highly modified Forester, as I doubt that SPT will show your basic "cooking version" of the Forester. More than likely it will be laced with performance parts.

    So I still say the regular Forester will have it's world debut at Detroit—and that what they are showing at SEMA will be more of a tease than anything for the Detroit show.

    Think about it; if they show a STI-like Forester prototype/concept at SEMA, it will act as a huge momentum-builder for SOA's Detroit debut.

    SEMA opens in 2 days, so we will know soon enough. :)

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Oh absolutely it will not be a plain jane one. But you will see the body and interior of what will be in the production one. It's going to have some brembos on it larger than the STi ones, etc. etc.

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Also a strong rumor are two new range-topping models from Subaru: "tuned by STI" Legacy & Outback. There are even 2008 model codes for these, 8AZ & 8DZ.

    I worry that if an SPT Forester is shown first, the official model debut will feel like a letdown in comparison, if there's too much hype built up.

    Sounds like an interesting SEMA for Subaru.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, they did the opposite with the WRX and people complained loudly, until they finally debuted the STI.

    Maybe they're trying to avoid that?
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,697
    (sheepishly) Well, I do, but then I am used to owning vehicles that need to be checked at every fill! That '96 Outback I owned lost more oil than was ever changed out of it... ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Could be, Bob. I've gotta admit, the STI's much more exciting to look at... and I have no problem w/regular Impreza or WRX, for what they are.

    Hopefully Forester won't create as much controversy, but I'm sure they have a hard time keeping everybody happy, especially if they feel they need to pursue folks who haven't been attracted to their current designs. I just hope Forester keeps a practical shape to the cargo area, regardless of curves elsewhere. Function first, please.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I agree, the Forester has to put function over form, more so than the Impreza did.

    I saw the Motorweek review of the WRX and they complained that the rear seat was still cramped. In the video segment it didn't look that roomy.

    They have to address that in the Forester. The full 4" stretch should go to that back seat.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    I hope Subaru doesn't do to the Forester what it did to the Legacy/Outback - each generation gets bigger on the outside and smaller on the inside. Strange thinking on Subaru's part.
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,791
    Yeah, Subaru is weird when it comes to packaging. I have never understood how the Legacy/Outback, with 5+ more inches of wheelbase, has effectively the same amount of backseat leg room as the Forester. It doesn't make me too optimistic for the next Forester... :confuse:

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, my cousin had a Loyale wagon and it had as much leg room as my Forester.

    With about 4" added to the wheelbase we should notice the extra room, hopefully.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hmm I guess SOA pulled it. I was helping them out on giving some input as to what mods they should do on it for SEMA but haven't heard anything in 3 weeks or so, so guess it go pulled.

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Unless they've got something up their sleeve other than what's on the press release, I'm disappointed. The SPT Impreza sounds powerful, though - 450hp!
  • rblnrrblnr Member Posts: 124
    I think it was Juice who mentioned that the '09 Forester was supposed to be a looker -- any other rumblings that this is the case?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not me - I haven't seen any spy pics or even believable sketches!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19967353&postcount=1

    Wonder if that will be true in the USA too?

    Bob
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Bummer. Subaru is one of the last few manufacturers to offer manual trannies in wagons. Hate to think that they are abandoning us (enthusiasts). :(

    I like the sage green though. Is that new? :)

    james
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yes, that's a new color. Let's hope the XT's automatic at least has been upgraded to the 5EAT w/sportshift.

    Bob
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Oh nooo! Not Subie too! I count on them to continue offering manuals! I hope this is Canada-only, but it's not a BIG hope. :-(

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Some standard feature information:

    • All trim levels other than the Forester X will have fog lights
    • Side curtain airbags become standard on all models
    • Forester XT Retains the 4EATS but will have "Sportshift" like the WRX Auto
    • "X" and Touring Packages have 16" wheels, Limited and XT are 17"
    • All trim levels except the "X" will have a moonroof
    • All models (in Canada at least) will have heated seats
    • "VDC" will be standard across the board
    • Rear windows on all models will come with "Deep Tint" (change in vehicles classification because of increased size allowing for this??)
    • Limited and XT versions will have HID headlights (in Canada at least).
    • Drive and passenger side power seats in Limited and XT (instead of just drivers)

    _______

    Sadly no 5EAT. :(

    Bob
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    Sadly no 5EAT

    I almost feel embarrassed for Subaru. What's next, carburated engines?
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    They're gonna get lambasted by the reviewers for offering only a 4EAT. Hopefully the US at least gets a manual option, and Subaru sends the manual to the reviewers. Moonroof across the lineup, except for X, is gonna make some folks made, too. Hope it's still panoramic.

    Wonder if it'll go on sale in Canada before the US.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My 98 L model had fogs, so if the X no longer does that's de-contented from a decade ago.

    SAC and VDC, whew. They should have put in a 5EAT as well.

    I'm OK with the moonroof, heated seats, power seats. Even the tint.

    Don't really need HIDs, or the extra up-front cost.

    Still no spy photos?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    From what I've heard, the 4EAT will likely be replaced in a year or so. I'm betting it will be a CVT, and not the 5EAT.

    Bob
  • nickelnickel Member Posts: 147
    For the ones who are claiming for it. I don't think this is the diesel I'd like for me.

    http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=45405&vf=2
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Why is that?

    -mike
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Sounds OK by me. :) Although, if Australia is having a hard time finagling one, I can't imagine SOA would be able to push hard enough to get one here.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Looks good, I like it!

    Like a baby Tribeca. They mix the front end of the 08 Tribeca with the rest of the 06-07 models, and the result is pretty stylish without going overboard.

    Just showed the wife, and she likes it too, a lot!
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Member Posts: 775
    That's a car, not an SUV. Too low. I highly doubt that's the next Forester. Nothing wrong with the back quarter windows - who uses them anyway?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    SUVs are so last season.

    People want crossovers now.

    I think that'll fit in just fine.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    From poster "08LEGACYGT" on nasioc, comes this bit of rumor, reportedly from a Subaru of Canada internal sales blog.

    "Next comes the 09 Forester—Foresters actually, because they have set up the exterior of the demonstration vehicle so that one side has the paint, cladding and wheels of a base model while the other side is a higher trim level. Both look incredibly nice.

    Again, I can't share complete details, but I don’t think I’ll get fired for revealing that the exterior design in general is a bit more mainstream. As with the new Impreza and Tribeca, the new Forester will appeal to wider variety of buyers. It’s a bit more masculine, more squared-off, more of a traditional SUV look than what you see in a Tribeca, CX-7 or Murano.

    There’s absolutely no mistaking the “truck SUV” look, so there will be less confusion between Outback and Forester. Although a number of the design cues maintain the Subaru family look, this Forester will have a much clearer identity in the overall Subaru lineup.

    This is clearly a more distinguished vehicle than its predecessor—especially so when compared to other small SUVs like the RAV4, Tribute and CR-V. The engineers conducting the session tell us that passenger comfort was a high priority in the development plan, and you see it in the fact that rear seat occupants’ comfort has received a lot of attention in this vehicle, unlike some brands out there. The versatility aspect of the vehicle also got a boost with some really unique interior storage solutions.

    Our test drives start with a circuit of the Vehicle Maneuverability Test Course, then the Public Road Simulation Course and finally we get to let ‘er rip on the oval (well, sort of—we are asked to limit our speed in the Foresters and their competitors to 130 kph).

    We start with the normally-aspirated and turbo Foresters plus a couple of competitors— the Honda CR-V and the Mazda CX-7. I’m afraid I can’t tell you anything about the Forester test drives—except that after driving the CR-V I can feel my body relax as we take the Forester models through their paces. There is that Subaru feeling of driving confidence that you just don’t get in the competitor vehicles. The new Forester has all the good qualities of its predecessor, but even more so. This is a noticeably nicer vehicle in every way."
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm teased! I'm teased!

    Can't wait to see it, drive it! C'mon spy photographers, wake up! :D
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    It all sounds good... now stick a turbo diesel it.
    james
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    Hi,

    Do we have a "real" release date yet for the 09 Forester?

    I prefer this over a Tribeca due to the rising gas prices. Increase in size will ease the sacrifice I'll made for space.

    I may have to look into extending the lease.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    This spring sometime. That's all we know at the moment.

    Bob
  • mikelevine64mikelevine64 Member Posts: 39
    2009 Initial Order Acceptance Date: 1/28/08

    2009 Production Start Up Date: 2/11/08

    2009 Initial Delivery Date: 3/17/08
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks for the info.

    March 17 is a bit later than I'd hoped, but by then I will have maxed out on my Subaru Bucks so we'll be ready.
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    Thanks for the info.

    Would you believe I received an e-mail from my dealer - my Tribeca is in! 5ltd w/nav diamond gray.

    Last year my wife ordered a diamond gray w/SE pkg and after 3.5 months they could not deliver. My wife bought a different car.
    This year they made sure it came in - but it's 6 weeks early.

    The Forester is too far out for me to wait.

    Next week is Thanksgiving - Hell, I don't even have time to get the car.

    Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,697
    The green metallic and red pearl both look great to me. It is about time Subaru offered some charismatic colors again!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats.

    Subaru is lucky you were so patient. Glad to hear they stepped up this time around.
  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    Thanks

    I looked at all the competition this year. At the end of the day - for me It's Subaru. They have a great product and great customer service. My dealers service dept. is honest and reputable.

    I'm glad they stepped up this time also.

    Charlie
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    I'm glad you have your product. My problem is they used to have a product for me and they abandoned it in their quest for "mainstream" appeal and lost profits. I don't blame them, just stating the fact. They have some cars that would be it if was added/removed/available.

    Apparently Subaru does not think people like me exist - or to be more exact there are enough people like me to actually develop product for. They may be right, for what I know. But other have the product. Of course they want more money (in some instances much more), but I'm actually willing to pay it. So if those low volumes are good for others, why wouldn't they be good for Subie? I guess economies of scale.

    Subaru effectively abandoned me and is moving away fast. :cry: They made a call and all I can do is hope for change and look around.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • css1css1 Member Posts: 247
    I'm closer to the mainstream you are referring to, however, I prefer a sportier ride. I don't drive stick but I wish I did.

    My Fathers 1966 Plymouth Fury(the first car I drove) had oil and temp gauges therefore I have come to appreciate functional and attractive instrument clusters.

    The base impreza has no temp gauge and if subaru waters down their product any further they might loose me to. I need to get cars for my daughters over the next 5 years.

    The new Forester should either confirm your suspicions or renew your passion for Subaru.

    I think they are looking for a balance of product but I don't think they have totally turned their backs customers like you.
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