Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • nine51nine51 Member Posts: 77
    I like some of the LED lighting. If done right they are brighter that the old style filiment bulbs and use less power. Only problem is, they don't get hot enough to melt off the snow. That is a problem with LED tail and signal lights up here in the north country. I wish they had rear fog lights in the US like Europe and Asia. They give you a bit of a visual margin in fog rain or heavy snow. LED's would be great for that, but they would have to have lens heaters on them or they would just ice up in winter.

    I am getting tired of the clear tail light styles. It looks too 90's rice rocket for me. At first they were cool and different when the Honda/Acura kids were doing them, but once they went main stream, it's over. Go back to red, please. Nice to see the Imprezza concept has.
  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    edited November 2010
    A tail light, turn signal or sidemarker is never going to get warm enough to melt snow regardless of whether it is LED or not. The incandescent ones are only 10-30 watts which isn't near enough and almost all of them are only used a small fraction of the time.

    However, I *thought* that the LED lights in the headlamp assembly were only for daytime running lights. I don't think any manufacturer has primary headlamps that are LEDs... only standard halogen incandescent and xenon arc ballast.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    There is one manufacturer offering full LED headlamps this year on one model but I can't remember who.
  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    Looks like the Audi R8 has LED headlamps. The other Audis are DRLs.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    MT is reporting that the next-gen Tribeca (due in 2014) could share much of the platform with the next-gen Highlander, which is due at the same time. It's also possible that the Tribeca may get a unique front subframe to handle its signature boxer engine.

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2011/1101_toyota_extending_subaru_p- roduct_sharing_to_highlander_tribeca/index.html#ixzz19zyaL7xg

    Bob
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I presume this is a more economical solution than trying to create a bigger version of the Outback platform.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    As long as Subaru's has a boxer engine and AWD, I'm fine with that. The alternative was no Tribeca II anyway, plus it looks like they'll let Subaru take the lead in development.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...plus it looks like they'll let Subaru take the lead in development...

    How did you get that impression from the article?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oops, I mis-read that.

    Subaru is leading development of the 086A, while the converged crossover platform looks to be more of a Toyota project

    I was thinking 086A meant Highlander/Tribeca but of course that is code for the FT86.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I didn't think Toyota would let Subaru take the lead on their volume crossover considering their history with the Tribeca.

    :)
  • rblnrrblnr Member Posts: 124
    edited January 2011
    Increased sales of the line makes a Tribeca (sized) vehicle still relevant for Subaru despite the dead in the water present model.

    On another note, truly hope the new Impreza is a grabber a la the concept. Current model is just too dull to give people a major reason for it vs. Corolla/Civic (why go Subaru?) and now the Elantra. Subie needs to stand out here beyond engine choices that the majority of the audience is not interested in.
  • movedormovedor Member Posts: 65
    I am very surprised that Subaru still produces Tribeca. With sales numbers that low I bet they are loosing money with it instead of making something. Any other automaker would already had erased the model from their lineup.

    Also, 2014 year is a long wait for replacement for the Tribeca. It is really hard to believe it will last that long.

    Subaru will probably have more success putting Impreza concept on the roards, which everybody agrees is an major style improvement over the current Impreza.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Subaru now sells the Tribeca worldwide. In fact, they sell more Tribecas in Russia than they do here. I'm sure it's the international market that's keeping it afloat.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Plus it's made on the same assembly line as the Outback, so it's not costing them a bunch to continue to build it.

    In fact, the only real loss is that they build fewer Outbacks, which are in short supply.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I hope so, it looks promising:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/04/ces-2010-toyota-entune-ready-to-fight-sync-al- most-w-video/

    I like that it tethers to your smart phone - that means hopefully no additional monthly bill to pay.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    edited January 2011
    I like that it tethers to your smart phone - that means hopefully no additional monthly bill to pay.

    Only if users are smart enough to ensure they pay for a big enough data plan. Don't be suprised to see mobile phone companies starting to increase the price of or eliminate unlimited plans as more people use their mobile devices for automotive and entertainment uses.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm on a flat-fee unlimited plan, so I'm fine.

    Of course if I drove to Mexico or Canada I'd be roaming...
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I'm on a flat-fee unlimited plan, so I'm fine.

    As long as you keep that plan you're fine. But if you change plans or your carrier decides to discontinue it, you might be out of luck. I know that ATT has gone to limited data plans. My unlimited iphone plan is grandfathered in but if I were to switch to a non iphone, the unlimited option jumps up in price.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's a problem if you use Pandora, which is featured in that video.

    T-Mobile and Sprint have flat-fee plans. AT&T knows they have you by the ears since they have the iPhone, so they screw you.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    AT&T knows they have you by the ears since they have the iPhone, so they screw you.

    Actually, ATT has gone to tiered data plans on all their phones - not just the iphone. I bet Verizon will do the same thing when they get the iphone.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob found this on inside line:

    http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/01/ces-2011-toyota-gets-sync-like-- entune-system.html#more

    Comments:

    The more I read, the more I like it.

    They confirm no data plan to pay for.

    HD radio is added. Nice, that's free and high fidelity quality.

    Natural speech recognition.

    iPhone, BlackBerry, and Android! DAMN they nailed it if the hype is all true.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I made a new year's resolution to try to be active over here this year!

    -mike

    PS: I picked up a 2011 STi Hatch :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bingo, thought so. Congrats.

    Do you like the 2011's seats? I remember that was an issue before.

    I still don't fit in an EVO's seats to this day.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Seats are great, and heated! Even my rather large frame fits in them.

    They also switched to solid black alcantera so it's even more sleeper now!

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Heated? For real?

    Didn't know that!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yeah, that's new for '11 US-spec STIs. Canadian STIs have had heated seats for several years.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    edited January 2011
    Rumor has it that the new Impreza Concept will be on display. In fact it's more than a rumor, since it's the feature image on the show's home page.

    http://www.phillyautoshow.com/

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Nice, we had a great discussion with the Impreza/Forester product manager during the 48hrs. He was asking for input from us on features for the upcoming models of Impreza. It was a great conversation and I was able to ask for some small/inexpensive items that would make the car more appealing.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let's go!
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    If I go to the Philly Auto show it will most likely be opening day, Sat. 1/29.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob and I want to go on a weekday, since it's less crowded and we're more likely to be able to talk the Subaru staff to let us get a closer look at the concept.

    We were thinking 1/31, Monday.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Inside Line's little blurb about driving the Euro Forester with the new 2.0 supposedly destined for the next-gen Impreza, and a lot of the changes they have made sound like the kind that make me nervous: making crucial internal oiling and cooling components smaller and lighter and substituting plastic for metal for the intake manifold - all things that can lead to cooling problems and durability issues over time.

    Even though the new engine uses a chain drive instead of the timing belt my EJ has that will require replacement halfway through, I'm kinda glad I have the old engine so I am not in the group of people who get the new 'FB' early on in its life cycle.

    And how could they introduce a new engine at this point WITHOUT incorporating DI? Perhaps the speculation in the article will prove to be incorrect in that regard?

    http://www.insideline.com/subaru/forester/2011/2011-subaru-forester-2-0-first-dr- ive.html

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    Yep, we talked last year about the FB series and everyone was surprised and disappointed that it lacks direct injection. And the 2.5L has unimpressive performance-- hardly noticeable from the 2.5L EJ series.

    However I disagree about the timing chain and intake manifold. The intake manifold doesn't move and plastic or carbon fiber is very common these days. The timing chain is a helpful, smart move. The EJ series timing belt tensioner wasn't all that awesome, and a properly designed timing chain never needs replacement.
  • zman3zman3 Member Posts: 857
    edited February 2011
    Hey, is that the oil filter up next to the oil cap? If so, that would be nice for oil changes.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,716
    Yes, it is. It is mounted in a "cup" that catches the contents of the filter as it spills out during changes.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep. Install a fumoto oil drain valve and I bet I could perform complete oil changes in less than 5 minutes, and most of that time is waiting for it to drain!

    With a hot engine, maybe 1 minute.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Subaru will show a car at the 2011 New York Auto Show that uses it, and the 2.0-liter will see duty in the next-generation Impreza.

    Add two and two and we should see the new Impreza at NY.

    On the road, the discovery that the 2.0 Forester feels pretty similar to the 2.5-liter version is good news

    Yes, because I've driven a Brazilian Forester with the EJ20 and it did feel quite different, especially on the highway.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    A 500 cc difference is a lot, so I wouldn't expect the new FB20 to match an EJ25 in terms of power or feel, all things being equal. It might be close, but I'm sure you'll feel a difference.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah but I felt a big difference, a yearned for the EJ25 the whole time.

    The EJ20 wasn't any more efficient, either, because you rev it and it just seems to have to work harder to keep up.
  • rblnrrblnr Member Posts: 124
    Any news on whether Subaru plans to ever bring the turbodiesel engine here?

    Any new news on Subaru period? New Impreza still on track for fall?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Expect to see new Impreza announced at the NY show in April.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm wondering if the tsunami will cause any delays...
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Isn't the current Impreza only in year 3? Or year 4 at the outside? Is the new Impreza coming early and I just missed it?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    4th year, and they're now going to 4-year product cycles. Used to be 5-year (except for the Tribeca).

    Bob
  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    In comparing this one side shot to the concept show car, I see the following:

    - LED headlights are gone.. not surprising at all. I doubt LEDs will be an option, probably just xenon HIDs on the top trim or as an option.

    - Shape of the rear is changed; the show car was a uniform curving shape, and the production car has a distinct bumper profile. This probably helps the low-speed crash test.

    - Tail lights are more or less the same shape.

    - Belt-line is lower which makes the windows larger and most likely aids visibility. But the production car looks more like a regular Subaru, and the show car was 2011 Sonata-ish with that high beltline and short windows. (Not as extreme as a Camaro, though.)

    - Wheel arches are smaller. Not surprising given the show car had ridiculously oversized wheels.

    - The roofline is quite a bit different. Again, the show car was longer and swoopy, like a Sonata. The production roof is shorter and has a 'pushed back' shape to it.

    So far, I'm kind of disappointed. I don't expect wild concepts to make it to production, but other than the wheels I thought the concept car was ready for primetime. The production version seems tamed down.

    But this is just one shot. I'm curious (and still hopeful!) to see the rest of the car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let's keep in mind that's probably the 2.0i model.

    It sure was toned down, though. Still handsome, but hardly the knock-out that the concept was, that inspired me to drive to Philly just to see it in person.

    Reminds me of the 05-07 Legacy sedan.

    The greenhouse is huge, so visibility should be good. Rear does not slope down like the concept, so better rear headroom, but trades off that coupe-like styling that was gorgeous.

    Flares way toned down, but remember the WRX/STI could be wide-body and look more like the concept.

    As is the front flares remind me of my Miata.

    The result looks half way between the concept and the Cruze.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Yes, most of the changes that occurred as it transitioned from concept to production, were of a practical nature or federally mandated. The concept's swoopy roofline—while great looking—was utterly impractical for anyone sitting in the rear seat. Maybe the WRX and STI will get that steeply sloped roofline? My sense is that Subaru wants to distance the Impreza from the WRX/STI, and that would be one way to do that.

    Keep in mind this is the base Impreza, and compared to the current Impreza 2.5i, it's much better looking.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Big improvement over the current model.

    It both looks better, and will offend fewer people.
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