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Bob
I mean, let's face it, almost no one will take the Cayenne off road. Maybe just to prove a point, or win a bet, but that's not why they'll buy it.
I would be more impressed if they called it a crossover and didn't even pretend to give it off-road capability. Wagons can be sporty, look at the RS4 Avant, wow!
-juice
Bob
-mike
Bob
paisan: isn't the Vehicross tuned for that type of driving? Pine Barrens style rallying, I mean?
-juice
-mike
-juice
Bob
Bob
-mike
I just read that in Australia, Subaru and GMAC have hooked up to do financing of Ozarus.
Bob
I would get excited and say that 3.2L is possible which is good for bigger and better Subies down the road... but then again, 3.2L could be ragged edge stuff so I'm not getting my hopes up too much.
-Colin
btw, that 3.2L H6 twin turbo claims 660kW on the dyno = 885 hp SAE
Going as planned.
From a May 2000 press release:
http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/news/2000/5_29.htm
"North America
- Strengthen three mainstay models (full model changes, horizontally opposed six-cylinder engine, introduction of turbo models, etc.)
- Launch a 4-door pick-up based on Legacy (Starting 2002)
- Product exchange with GM
- Subaru dealer development supported by GM
- Utilization of GM expertise, systems and infrastructures (automobile loans: GMAC, internet: e-GM)"
-Dennis
-mike
-Colin
Look at the G35 threads, they are hard to keep up with! It's unreal. That car is one of the most talked about new launches I've ever seen. People are genuinely exciting to a level I haven't seen since the WRX arrived.
And look at the product - a back to basics sports sedan. RWD, V6, plain and simple. There isn't even a manual tranny offered (for now). All this from a brand with less than 1/10th the cachet of Porsche.
I notice they say turbo models (plural). Legacy turbo, after all?
3.2l seems doable, but I don't think the 3.0l is the problem - they need 5 ratios, one way or another.
-juice
Bob
Check it out - it's 70 posts per day, hard to keep up with. It's not even on sale here yet!
-juice
I'm just impressed at how cars like that can spark up interest. The WRX, too, BTW. I guess I like cult cars, cars that owners get excited about. Cars that NON-owners get excited about.
Now give the rear end a face lift, that thing is an eye sore. My wife said she liked it and then saw a rear view photos and veto'd it on the spot!
-juice
-Colin
Sensors/actuators applied to shock valving, variable compression rate and travel limiting springs, ride height control, variable roll bar bushings, steering feedback, etc. will transform the entire demeanor of your car at the touch of a switch, or maybe via road reading optical sensors, etc.
A great handling BMW 540 Sport Wagon becomes an X5 killer. OK, maybe not the best example, but you get the idea. True, I have argued against too much electronic control in cars, but I do see this as our future.
Steve
-mike
-Colin
Still, UK magazines said the Forester handled better off road, so it's still not very capable. And it's a real porker - weight is an issue they have to watch carefully. Even with the twin turbo engine, it's not that quick.
Another issue is cost. But I guess Porsche won't care much about price, and a huge engine will compensate for the weight somewhat.
Got my Autoweek, the issue Bob mentioned, and it has a finalized Cayenne photo. The styling really doesn't mate well to such a big car, it looks odd, out of proportion. I'll have to see it on the road, but I agree with Colin on the look.
Lincoln will soon sell an Aviator, an Explorer clone. It's funny how much the grille changes the overall look.
The E-class looks gorgeous. What a truly handsome car. I'd seen spy pics from the filming of men in black, but it looks even better in silver, especially with those AMG wheels. It's simply stunning. But $47-50k for starters? Ouch. 5 series start at $10 grand less.
-juice
Bob
BTW, I looked closely at the E-class headlights, and they look EXACTLY like the Impreza's new lights, even down to the upper partition line being visible. The resemblance is unmistakable.
-juice
-mike
Trying to include traditional brand (Porsche in this case) styling cues into a vehicle like this is difficult. Cadillac also did a horrible job trying to incorporate their "new edgy" styling cues into the Escalade. It flat out just doesn't work. The styling looks "forced," not natural. I do think, however, Lincoln did a pretty good job with their SUV, as did Mercedes with the ML, and BMW with the X-5, and Volvo with the XC-90.
Bob
That neo-Bravada ought to be popular. The new caddy styling is growing on me. Each design has its own character, yet they obviously belong to the same family. The ads are cool, too.
-juice
Citroen made height adjustable cars back in the 60s. It was driver controlable at low speeds, but automatically reduced height at high speed to improve handling and stability. A unique side note: the car had NO JACK. Somehow, using the hydraulic suspension, it could lift itself up for tire changing. (I don't remember the details, a jack STAND may have been necessary).
Anyway, this was only a moderately expensive car. I'm certain that manufacturers could do it better/cheaper now, IF there were no major legal liability issues.
And I have to agree with Bob. Caddie's styling is too over-the-top. 15 years from now they are going too look really silly.
-james
Bob
not sure I ever needed that extra inch or whatever it was in 6 years of MN winters, it wasn't as dramatic as the Citroens thats for sure!
-mike
-juice
-mike
-juice
Sure it is not automotive, but it sets an example for what can be done.
Steve
-juice
-mike
http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b031202.htm
Bob
I look at the Liberty, and how its price creeps up once you get one well equipped, and I'm not so sure. Priced with the equipment I'd want, the Liberty hits $28 grand.
Autoweek compared the C-pillar to the AMC Gremlin, but I actually think it looks cool.
-juice
Bob
Bob
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=&content_code=06842172
Now that's a Duesey. ;-)
-juice
Bob
Steve