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  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I'm filling out the concept even more.

    I forsee a low-end version: still AWD and still 3.5L H6, but no supercharger and no active front & rear differentials. This means no more fancy-pants push-button modes for the AWD and ABS either. But it still would have mechanical (clutch-type) front and rear LSDs and make at least 230HP. More importantly, it would go for around $30k. Drop the active suspension and now you're talking $26k.

    On the high end there's no need for even more than 300HP and all the tasty bits I mentioned before-- but there's room for leather, a big moonroof, heated seats and mirrors, and a premium entertainment system. So this version goes for $40k or so. The original $35k has no fluff just all the good mechanical stuff to keep the price down.

    -Colin
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Sounds to me like it would eat a Wrangler for any meal, not just lunch! ;)

    Bob
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    That's interesting and intriguing. That could be the flagship model.

    Can we guess as to who owns the rights to the Borrego drawings? ;)

    -Brian
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    Is that article on the B4 correct? VTD only changes from 45/55 split to 50/50!!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well spoke to an un-names Subaru insider about the testdrive of the new 2.5GT.

    Here are their impressions:

    o Sport Shifter is nice, not as good as a some of the other ones out there (it auto-upshifts rather than bounces off the rev limiter)

    o Fit and finish is excellent

    o Suspension is significantly upgraded from previous GT and GT limited models

    o New rims looks better than the old ones.

    That's all I could get out of them.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Interesting.

    If you recall, I posted something similar a week or so ago, from a Subie salesman from Hagerstown, MD. He had driven both an '02 and '03 Limited, back-to-back. He also said the suspension was noticeably different from the '02 model.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    This seems to be a legit C&D web page, as I can access other C&D pages from it. Yet, if I do a search of the C&D site for this page, I can't find it!

    In any case, without a doubt, this has to be the wildest Subie rumor I have ever seen, bar none!

    Bob
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Someone with better html knack will be better than me to decipher this thing, but seeing another www site (www.candieandzack.com) in the url makes me suspicious. In fact, my WallWatcher is reporting this site as www.candieandzack.com, not www.caranddriver.com

    Searching on the susposed writer (Larson Wilson) of the story yields no results either. But, if you look up a writer of another story (Daniel Pund for example), you get search results. In fact, the search doesn't even work from that link. I was only able to search by bringing up a new car and driver page. Looking at the source from View|Source in IE, you'll notice code for Honda S2000 in it for some buttons.

    So, IMO, this is a nice dream. :)

    -Brian
  • goldencouple1goldencouple1 Member Posts: 209
    reference from the URL and get the same page. And the Candie whatever site has info on someone's WRX. I didn't get into the site at all, but I saw that much. Looks like a very beautiful and elaborate hoax.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Here's their web site:

    http://www.candieandzack.com/

    Still—what a great concept!

    Bob
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    about a week ago. Believe me, I was starting to copy the link to post here. It was pretty good until I noticed a few problems, like using their/there incorrectly, and I think there was one other mistake, stuff that wouldn't get past the real editors. Sorry.

    Jim
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I figured out it was a fake only based on this "..Best news of all is the expected price: $37,000, to which dealers are limited from the factory from charging more than.. "
    The factory never limits dealers on pricing and that grammar is worse than mine.

    Dennis - The torque split of a max of 50/50, is the same thing that Patti posted here a while back. Some folks are saying VTD can go up to 85% rear, but that's based on some Japanese web site (SOJ??) about one of the twin-turbo Legacy's.

    -Dennis
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'm sure if you go through and analyze the article, there will be other "tip-offs" that it's fake too. It had me going for a while though. The guys over on the I-Club figured out it was a fake immediately.

    Bob
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I bunked it because of the 'spoofing' it was doing with the C&D left nav, not because of the content. Gotta admit the grammar is not 'professional' either.

    -Brian
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I was thumbing through ESPN magazine, and found an ad for the '03 WRX!

    At least I think was was for an '03 model, as the ad was designed along the lines of the '03 Forester and Outback ads I've seen. In any event, it was obviously part of the same "ad package" Subaru is now using, even though no model year was mentioned.

    From what I could tell, the car looks exactly the same as the '02 model. The only question marks were the wheels (they were blurred in the photo), and the star oval on the grille (too small to see clearly). No new info in the text of the ad either.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I knew it was fake when I saw "electronically controlled AWD system" mated in a 6MT.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $37 grand? I'm brown bagging my lunch for the next 5 years! It'd be worth it!

    Don't tell me it's fake, let me dream a little. That is exactly what I want - a WRX roadster to replace the Miata.

    I'd "settle" for 227 horses and VC AWD. Keep that price down to earth.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Which Suzuki engines would power Subarus? I'm guessing small-displacement N/A types for cars like the Pleo and Sambar that aren't available in North America.

    Outside the Justy and 360, what other Subarus have been offered in this market without a horizontally opposed four?

    Ed (showing my naivete)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They'll use 660cc engines from Suzuki, no harm there. They should get diesels from Isuzu, too, while they're at it.

    Though I doubt we'll see any of those. I'd rather not see a clone of the Swift here. If it's an HM-01, with a Suzuki engine, maybe.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    according to the UK's CAR magazine is nothing more than a 4WD re-badged version of the Suzuki Swift.

    BTW, CAR absolutely HATES the Justy. Can't say that I blame them. It's long overdue for being replaced with a modern "true" Subie, something along the lines of the HM-01 concept.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's why I don't want to see the Justy here again. I'm familiar with it because it's on my screen saver.

    Speaking of which, can anyone point me to a newer one? Mine still has the old Forester and Impreza.

    We both liked the HM-01. For such a small car, it's actually interesting.

    I used to own a 1986 Chevy Sprint (Suzuki clone), and that thing was a tin can. Efficient, though.

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    is claiming that the Turbo Forrester will be here by late 2002, does that jive with what we've been saying?

    Jim
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I seriously doubt it. It would be a pleasant surprise though!

    -Colin
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    until SubieGal, who is a moderator in the News and Rumors section, chimed in and agreed. Is it just me, or is it stating to look like Subaru is trying to adopt a world-introduction corporate philosophy? Like Ford tried to do with the Mondeo. I thought that was a great idea that never happened. Sure seems like a worldwide introduction of a product reduces the logistics of carrying several "versions" at the same time.

    Jim
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    it will be an '04 model, arriving next summer.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    '03 Legacy brochure
    I stopped by my local Subie dealer today, and they just got in the '03 Legacy brochures. They didn't, however, get the '03 Outback brochures yet, or actual cars. Details:

    • Models are: 2.5 GT, L Special Edition, and L. The 2.5 GT is like current GT Limited and L SE is much like current base GT.

    • I had heard from several sources of the new Legacy getting an upgraded suspension, as the recently announced Japanese and Aussie version did, however there was no mention of this in the new brochure. Interestingly, there was also NO mention of a sport-tuned suspension for the GT. I wonder if they all got the "same" upgraded suspension?

    • 2.5 GT gets VDC and Sport-Shift with the automatic. It also gets new alloys, the All-Weather Package, and a 6-disk in dash changer. The radio is new too.

    • The L/SE gets the wheels from the current GT.

    • All get a new grille and front bumper.

    • There's now a dealer-installed roof rack option for sedans. This is new!

    Impreza redesign news
    http://www.REXilla.com/

    Bob
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,744
    I thought we were getting a 3.0 sedan this year?? Or is my memory failing already.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Late 2002? Hope so, but I honestly doubt it. The 2003s just got here, and I've noticed local dealers' pricing hasn't yet approached the 2002s.

    They'll wait until demand cools, and then intro the turbo. My guess is same time next year, what was it, late April?

    Sedan roof rack? Cool.

    I read the L std equipment list carefully, to see what we missed. The single CD is not a loss, given we got a steal on a 6CD. The wife would have liked lit vanity mirrors, but the map lights seem to work. We put an add-on on the passenger side, though. Keyless we got as an option, so no big loss.

    I would definitely have looked at the L/SE model, though. Depending on price, but I bet it's a solid value. 16" rims and the moonroof. If it's priced lower than the 2002 GT, it would be worth it.

    But it's minor stuff. No regrets here.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I read through the "body copy" on the spread dealing with suspensions in the new '03 Legacy brochure, and it did mention that the suspension had been "retuned;" still no mention of "Sport Suspension," however.

    All new L models also get body-colored side rub strips, and door handles too. Also, all new Legacys share the same grille this year.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.media.subaru.com./

    Click on the Legacy or Outback links for info. Interestingly, while there's no mention of a Sport Suspension in the new brochure, it is mentioned in this press release. Also, good news in that the All-Weather-Package is now standard on all Legacy-Outbacks.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    that Subaru elected not to put a "2.5" in front of the "L" model badging. Sort of makes the "2.5 GT" sound more important.

    So now the Legacy L, L SE, WRX and Baja are the only Subies without the engine size as noted in their "official" names.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: the body color stuff would make it easier to wax. But the flat black stuff is probably more ding and scratch resistant. I'd take it either way.

    So, the base Outback has the AWP. I wonder how pricing will change.

    If they make a point of saying 2.5 GT and 2.5 XS, then will we get a 3.0 GT or 3.0 XS?

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    if all the body parts are the same. It should cut production costs, I would think.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, the L is closer to the GT now. Sorry, 2.5 GT.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I noticed, in the new brochure, that the 2.5 GT automatic gets 2 mpg less than other H-4 Legacy automatics, both city and highway. I bet it's due to the 45/55 power split of the VTD setup.

    If I recall correctly, the new Legacy L automatic gets 1 mpg better than last year's model, both city and highway.

    Bob
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    If it really only does a 50:50 split max, isn't that pretty useless in terms of being different from a 45:55???
    I know someone psoted this once, how much does the manual go to from 50:50, to 80:20 or something?
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I guess 55 rear gives it a slight performance feel ??

    I posted that the manual can go up to 90/10 - 10/90. This was in response to an email I sent to the Tech dept. (or something along those lines) of Drive magazine.

    I wonder if the legal dept. is making SoA withold information? In the press release of the new Legacy posted on the Subaru Media site, they go into great detail about VTD. Of course, they don't mention the max split of it.

    That should be a question for the next SoA Senior Exec. chat. If there is another one. :-)

    -Dennis
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I found this over on the I Club. I've never seen this image before. From what I can see, I like the headlight treatment better than the current version. I guess we'll find out in September.

    Bob

    http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213561
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    possible but I doubt it Bob. I'd call that blue photoshop the "Prelude" look. ;-)

    -Colin
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Can you translate that Japanese in the image?

    Thanks! :)

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    "Best Car," the Japanese magazine, reportedly good for getting scoops, according to the I-Club poster of this image. Anybody ever hear of it, or know their web site URL?

    Bob
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Reminds me off all of the spy pics that came out before the Impreza was redesigned. None of them looked like the Impreza really looks. And almost daily, people on the i-club are still posting them as "new" pics.

    -Dennis
  • feilofeilo Member Posts: 128
    Legacy 7/10/02 press release "Subaru Realigns and Refines Legacy Model Line for 2003" (link on www.media.subaru.com) does say that the Legacy GT retains the sports-tuned suspension.

    Feilo
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Only a few more months till September, and the Paris Auto Show...

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Stopped by a local dealer, and they got nine new '03s today, of which I only was able to see one. It was a new Outback VDC wagon, in MistGreen Pearl, a new color that replaces Wintergreen. It looks almost the same as Wintergreen.

    Bob
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