Subaru Crew - Modifications II

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  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I emailed Jamie about where to shop for this stuff and she really liked Paul. I don't really know if the full armor package is needed in my case, as this is rallycross (open fields, mostly) as opposed to club rally, pro rally, etc. Allocation of resources....
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    sounds good. Which Blau did you get?
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Juice, what Pat said... but really the big reason for the added protection is the size and design of the Primitive skidplates. You can't protect what you don't cover!

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bit: interesting.

    The SPT shifter for the Impreza fit my Forester like a glove, but the kit includes the entire linkage and rubber bushings, so I don't see the point of paying the full $200 or so. They should sell the lever separately.

    What about Kartboy? Mike Moran has a 2000 RS, which is the Phase II engine, and his fit nicely. He also installed urethane bushings and the feel is fantastic - snick, snick, zero play.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Pat - Another good example is mountain bikes. Alumnium frames have become quite popular due to their light weight and strength. The only downside to aluminum is that it's more brittle compared to steel. It's harder to repair.

    bit - Have you tried contacting Cobb Tuning about your problem? I've heard that they're quite resposnive. Out of curiosity, why did you choose the Cobb Tuning shifter vs. the Kartboy?

    Ken
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Blaupunkt Nevada... the unit I had in my 00. I love it. Sounds great looks nice plus a vol KNOB.

    Can't really remember why I picked the Cobb other than the bearing in the barrel. I should contact Trey... he was very responsive when I was looking at sway bars.

    114 miles and enjoying every one of them. BTW.... for those who remember my ride height OCD with the 00... this one is dead level!

    bit
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Wow did some research, and found out the RS rims are SMALLER than the SVX rims. I was suprised to read that the SVX has 7.5" rims as opposed to the 7" RS ones. Very interesting. Damn I have to get me one of those!

    -mike
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    kewl. I have that one too. Aluminum is very strong, hence the mountain bike application (although the high end bikes are Ti and Carbon Fiber), but Al is stiff as hell- hard on the ol' buttocks, which is why you see seatpost suspension for hardtail riders. softtail (i.e., full suspension) riders don't have to worry about it.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Is it difficult to remove those trim pieces to swap out the stereo? How do you go about it ? I presume they are snapped into place, can you detail here how to go about it this is one of the first things I want to swap out when I get my New Gt wagon in March and I do not want to be breaking anything in the process.
    Cheers Pat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bit: I would have asked but I'm afraid I already knew the answer!

    SVXs are few and far between. It'll be a hard find. 7.5" rims may bulge out a lot, look a bit pimped out.

    Pat: check out i Club, go to Mods. They have a section on swapping the shift lever which shows how to take the center console apart. It's a start, but it's easiest to work from there on up.

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    they are heavy. Just look at them. hahahahah.... What tire profiles do SVX runs on?
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    It is relatively easy but tedious. I've done it twice with no real problems. I have printed instructions from Subaru that I can post... complete with diagrams. Basically they all pop of with only 2 screws under the shifter surround. Nice thing about the instructions is that they show where the plastic tabs are. I'll scan em later today and post.

    bit
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Is an arcane and complex combination of art and science. Generally speaking, certain aluminum *alloys* can be quite strong; stonger than certain steel *alloys*, pound for pound. The bike frames made from aluminum are made from a recently developed alloy, and they are heat treated after the frame is welded to provide even greater strength and rigidity.

    Forgetting alloy content for the moment (which really is simplifying the topic too far, but I don't have room here for a couple of chapters), in general the aluminum piece will have to have more material in order to be as strong as a steel piece. IOW a given thickness of aluminum will not be as strong as an equal thickness of steel.

    Another fine art, that of compromise[1], plus the specifics of the application, tend to dictate the appropriate material. In the case of under-car guard plates aluminum makes sense because of its light weight and sufficient strength. It is readily available in sheet form and the tools to cut, bend, and weld it are also widely available. A comparable steel piece would cost less (again leaving fancy alloys aside), be a bit easier to manufacture, and, significantly given the application, it would be heavier and it would rust.

    Cheers,
    -wdb

    [1] An engineer friend has a little message on his desk: Good, Fast, Cheap - pick any two. That pretty much sums it up ;-)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    May be heavy... but 156mph stock is definitely not too shabby. :)

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    156 MPH does me no good if it takes 10 minutes to get there. ;-)

    120-140 is plenty fast, I judge a vehicle by how fast it gets there. The SVX is clearly average in that respect.

    -Colin
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Bit and Juice appreciate the input thanks.
    Cheers Pat.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    My aunt's SVX is awfully zippy on the seat of the pants dyno. :) I do a lot of highway driving so the extra torque in the Cubic Inches of an SVX help for those quick spurts. Also it's just an awsome car. From what I hear you can get a '92 for around $4-$5K with around 80-90K miles on em.

    -mike
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    All I wanna know is,

    what, exactly, is different between an Outback suspension and a regular Legacy suspension? Which parts are different to account for the ride height difference? Is it springs, struts, both or some other combination?

    I can't believe the ONLY parts available are OEM and nothing else, but none of these tuners have ever bothered to have a look under there, so I am trying to figure out on my own what is upgradeable. It may not even be wise to upgrade struts without springs, and most of the springs out there lower the car pretty dramatically.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The tires are higher on the OB v. Legacy.

    I'd say the struts and springs make up the difference and maybe the sway bars?

    -mike
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Re: lucien2 Feb 22, 2001 4:35pm
    Loosh,

    Ken started this club. I was the 2nd member. You are now 3rd. Rules: 3rd member has to get off the dime and find the answer. How fortuitous! If you can weed through the mulitmedia nonsense, query SoA via the website, or try Patti.

    Report when complete.

    ..Mike ;)

    ..Mike

  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well we got down to NJ @ 11pm last night to work on the front struts on the XT6. After wed night's mess finding out we thought we needed a spring compression tool, we get down there last night and realize the tool is too big for the Impreza RS struts...

    So we decide to take the front sway bar off on that side. Bam, we were able to slip it right in
    Then of course drilling out the upper holes took some doing, but finally got one side done! So tonight we will go back down and finish up the other front strut, and the XT6 will be back in business.

    I can't wait to see how it handles with the coilovers in the rear and the RS springs/struts in the front. It *should* handle much better than it did previously considering that everyone said it had about 10" of wheel travel with the air suspension and it's roll was like 10" on one side and 2" on the other.

    -mike
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Oh, great. Thanks a lot, Mike! :)

    Well I know the tires are taller, that's why I am thinking of going to 16" rims. Are you trying to tell me there is an Outback-only strut out there? I can't swallow that either, but then again, I can't find a single aftermarket replacement for the car, so maybe. Springs? more likely. Swaybars are horizontal and I don't see how that would have any impact at all.

    So maybe it is just the springs, then. Half shafts and all other driveline bits are the same, so the height diff isn't all that dramatic, especially if the remainder is made up in tire sidewall.

    Quest in progress....
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Re: lucien2 Feb 22, 2001 11:34am, and adding to WDB's francophile Feb 22, 2001 1:13pm

    To use the bicycle and steel/aluminum alloy example and to oversimplify, for tubes of the same diameter and wall thickness, steel tubes have greater tensile strength, density, modulus (stiffness), and elongation (elasticity) than aluminum. To forge tubes of approximately equal strength, the aluminum tube must have a larger diameter than steel. The larger diameter of an aluminum tube makes it stiffer and transmit more vibration than steel. Steel tubes can have smaller diameters than aluminum, are easier to design to flex (e.g., steel forks have more rake than aluminum), and hence transmit less road vibration.

    Though latitudinal flex is easy on one's derrière, longitudinal flex makes for inefficient pedaling. The longitudinal flex of steel frames created a demand in the 70's for a stiffer frame; aluminum to the rescue. The downside as mentioned is that Al can literally be a pain in the [non-permissible content removed].

    Historically, steel bicycle tubes were chrome molybdenum (Columbus, see Mechanical properties of bicycle steel frame steels) or manganese molybdenum (Reynolds, see manganese molybdenum steel). See the links for what's new. For those with steel frames, here is a diagram of butted tubes on the Reynold's Technical Information" page.

    WDB, I shan't be offended if you correct any errors.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Mike -- nice job passing on the baton. :)

    Loosh -- we anxiously await the results of your research. :)

    Ken
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    mikesmi, you're so *good* with the links! I will make a couple of notes if you don't mind.


    To forge tubes of approximately equal strength, the aluminum tube must have a larger diameter than steel.


    You can say that again! That's why the tube connecting the bottom brackets on our Cannondale tandem is as big around as a coffee can :-)


    Steel tubes can have smaller diameters than aluminum, are easier to design to flex (e.g., steel forks have more rake than aluminum), and hence transmit less road vibration.


    The smoothest riding forks are actually made of aluminum, and they flex like mad; they flop around so much that those who don't like to look at airplane wings in flight should never, ever look down at one of those forks as they traverse a rough road. I've seen them jiggle so much that they become a blur.


    I would add that there is also titanium and carbon fiber to contend with these days, used in bike frames and forks as well as a huge number of car thingies; for example one of the new Corvettes has a titanium muffler of all things. Ceramics too, although not in structural applications except as part of matrix materials--which are, as techies say, a whole 'nother kettle o' fish.


    As for all your cool tubing links, I'd like to add just one, although finding a bike made of this stuff is so rare as to be nearly impossible; AerMet 100 alloy, invented by a friend and former coworker of mine. He and I were trying to get the stuff adopted for bicycle use, but corporate politics turned it into a nightmarish debacle. The material is, pound for pound, the strongest and toughest material ever invented.

    http://www.mcsi.net/frameman/aermet.htm


    I'd give you the link from www.cartech.com but the web site is being a total dog at the moment.


    Cheers,

    -wdb

  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Hondafreak -


    I posted the instructions for installing the Subaru indash CD changer to my site: http://bitman.com/soobdash/


    It includes instructions for removing the dash trim pieces and shows a drawing of the HVAC/stereo unit and how it goes together.


    bit

  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Thanks for the fork correction, WDB. The AerMet 100 alloy looks very interesting; so does the S&S coupling system (S&S site is down) for disassembling a standard frame for travel.


    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The SVX is a grand tourer, and seems to suit that mission well. The RS is a lot lighter, so no fair comparing off the line spunk. I'm sure the SVX is more comfortable at autobahn speeds.

    Seems to me, strictly from SOTP experience, that the GT has stiffer spring rates. They may be the same height, but the Outback seems to have a softer ride.

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Rollercoasters, tubing, cycling....aak!

    Michael Smith, you get a gold star! lovely linkage, even if it isn't Kartboy!

    The GT has a lower ride height than even an "L." The Outback has been raised. Initial reports indicate that spacers are the culprit, and that they DO exist in the driveline, too. The full story should develop later in the week.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Bit, got the instructions and printed them off really appreciate you taking the time to do this, I continue to be amazed at the willingness to help out here thanks.
    Cheers Pat.
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Pat - no problem. When you get ready to do it let me know and I will give a few tips.

    bit
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well folks... the XT6 is back on the road! About 1/2hr ago we finished with the XT6 conversion from air-suspension to std shocks/struts. Handling is awsome with slight oversteer if I try hard. I should be able to tame it slightly with TP variations. We sped it around the neighborhood here in NJ for about 20 minutes. Can't wait to auto-x it next week.

    -mike
  • thecatthecat Member Posts: 535
    Mike - Congrat's on your successful exorcism! Also, let me know about the wheels (I kinda lost track of that thread. One question .. was the "visit" that you offered Kate,"The Boys"? :)
    - hutch
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    YAY!

    I went out to Bugbomb's (of i-club) place yesterday to have his brother mount my Powerstop front pads and turn my rotors. Matt Wagner (LegacyGT00 on i-club) came too, and brought his '01 RS, which he is in the process of converting to a rally car- interior is all gone, and just from the 3000 miles of auto cross and rally cross, looks like it has about 25K on it!
    Anyway, he mounted his big mudflaps, as his car has already suffered the slings and arrows of flying debris and gravel. We had fun hanging out- Matt's straight pipe sounds great, and Mike's car is really tight.

    They went gravel roadrunning whilst I headed back to Baltimore. Matt called later........he stuffed the rally car into a tree pretty bad after flying through a large patch of slushy ice. Not good. It might be totalled. He is o.k., and glad he hadn't pulled the airbags yet!

    Re-enforces my opinion that my money is better spent on more driver training than on mods.....
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Hutch,
    I have to check with pop's and see if he is actually gonna put the 15" rims on his Legacy L. Yeah "the boys" were gonna make a visit to the body shop for kate... ;) J/K

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    paisan: you da man! Heck of a project. I wish I had more time for some of this stuff - great learning experience I'm sure. You must know your suspension inside-out, literally.

    Loosh: sweet. Guess you're braking them in (pardon the pun), but once you do please share impressions. Do they have a higher operating temp? How did the old pads hold up? Any pix?

    That sucks about Matt.

    -juice
  • seamus3seamus3 Member Posts: 98
    i went and strapped on this weird looking intake that this guy has. it has some bends in it and the tube gets bigger in some spots and smaller in others. i think he is trying to duplicate the snorkus. it took about an hour for us to get everything taken off and put the intake on. we went for a little drive, wow was there a difference. from about 3100 on up there was a gain in peddle feel and acceleration. before 3100 there was a difference but nothing too amazing. we discussed the MAF thing. he said that if i ever had a problem he would give me my money back and put the snorkus back into my car. i thought that was a pretty good deal.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    any pictures of this intake tube?

    -Colin
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    I didn't take pix, sorry. Pedal feel is improved only to the extent that the pads are fresh, but on hard braking, their higher operating temp is a little noticeable...they show no sign of intending to fade at all. Stopping power at street temps still fine, too. These are not track pads, but fast road pads, so I am happy so far. Just hope they don't eat my rotors too quick.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    No sweat. You can get new rotors at wholesale. Or upgrade those too! You seen the cross-drilled rotors in the i Club's mods section? Pretty sweet...

    seamus: glad to see a vendor back his product. I'd be interested in pix, too. But if he installed it, and charged for the job, he may not want you to share the installation process. What about the final product, though?

    -juice
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Hope to have the car by the 15th and I would appreciate any tips you may have to make life easier so fire away anytime thanks.
    Cheers Pat.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Ready for the new autocross season now. After much debating, I finally picked up a set of 98 2.5RS wheels from a local guy who has been running G stock in his 98RS the last two years. I was apprehensive because I'd seen the wheels he had race tires on and they were pretty beat up from various untrained tire shop monkeys.

    Well, I looked at the wheels which had a set of half-used R compounds already mounted. They looked better than I remembered... MUCH better. Hmm, I was sure that they were dinged up... So I looked at the ones *on* his car with street tires mounted. Aha, there's the chewed ones.

    So I got a set of pretty nice (not perfect) 98 rims plus 2 BFG gForce R1s (~40%) and two Kumho V700s (~70%) already mounted. For $400 I can't complain! I figured if I bought another set of RS wheels like these I'd be paying shipping plus there's no guarantee of what condition they would be in. Oh, I also have a third Kumho in similar shape as the two others but it's unmounted. I have no idea what happened to the fourth one, but don't care that much.

    I hope the rest of my suspension bits arrive this week, I'd like to install it all Saturday. If not, I'm just installing some front and rear solid swaybar endlinks (whiteline) and remounting my summer tires.

    First event is 3/18, I'll post some pics and stories afterwards. Oh, and unlike most of my other mods I'll try to take some pictures while doing this stuff. Perhaps not installation-guide worthy, but at least you all out there will know what I look like. ;-)

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That is a deal. Plus you got decent tires, not throw-away stockies.

    Are the whiteline end links the ones that look stock, with painted black metal? You know, to pass tech inspection? ;-)

    That's right, you run modified...

    How are you gonna use all those tires?

    -juice
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    hondafriek:

    Re post #495, you'd better change that to subarufriek by the 15th. Good luck.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Thanks for the best wishs. If you check my profile you will see that my e-mail address is subefriek.
    Cheers Pat.
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Pat - Here ya go:

    http://bitman.com/soobdash


    All the plastic dash pieces are snug fits. They really feel like they won't let go but they will. The arrows in figures #1 and #4 show where the prongs are that hold the pieces in place. Those are the points where you need to pull. Take it easy but apply constant pressure.


    For the gear shift cover you first you need to pop up the end closest to the hand brake and then pull back away from the dash as the top two prongs are tricky.


    Once you get the HVAC surround off you need to remove the small security box to the right of the HVAC/radio assembly. That's if you have the security upgrade. Now you can get at the 4 screws that hold the whole unit in place. After those screws are removed you can wiggle the complete assembly forward enough to reach behind and disconnect the antenna and harness. On my 00 the screws holding the Soob radio were really tight. Be careful not to strip them.


    Take your time

    Disconnect the battery

    Be careful not to bend the black HVAC cable

    Keep a towel handy to stick under the metal bracket when you pull the HVAC assembly forward


    Tools you will need:

    Long phillips screwdriver that is magnetized (don't want to drop any screws)

    Stubby phillips for the ashtray screws

    Butter knife or putty knife to help free the plastic trim.


    It's more fun than it sounds.


    bit

  • seamus3seamus3 Member Posts: 98
    this guy isn't a vendor, he's just some dude. he an about 7 of his friends all do modifications to their cars. sometimes they buy the stuff other times they make it, like my intake. one of the guys works for a construction company that recycles used material, mostly metal, so he knows how to work with aluminum/metal. three of the other guys have little workshops at their houses that they all work out of. most of them own hondas, one owns a legacy gt, and two others own vw bugs, the old ones.

    i will ask if i can take some pictures, i'm sure if i don't catch too much detail it will be ok.

    the other thing i noticed today is that it isn't quite as loud as other intakes i've heard. which means i won't catch the attention of our light adorned friends (cops) when i take on a little civic or my friends accord on some of the local roads.
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Colin, I know you posted this before but which helmet do you have? This'll be for track days, maybe auto-crossing one day (shh!). My track instructor had a nifty helmet-mounted headset and earpiece/microphone for the student (me); I don't recall the make of his helmet. I'm really doing it this time (fortunately SWMBO doesn't frequent here); got a class in April with Q (Loosh's wife -- Loosh took it last year) and they aren't supplying helmets.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    did you get in? Good! Darin got the Heismann. his own fault for dillydallying. We only got in for HSS on the 31st. Did you get the full weekend?!

    Juice-
    Everything I have read about cross drilled rotors has been negatory. These cars don't produce enough gas to need 'em, pluss they are weaker and wear faster.

    The whiteline links ar the ones with the yellow ends and the spring steel. it is the Kartboy links that look stock. but they are also 90 bux more!

    Oh, right, helmets....damn, I need one by the 24th!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Now that the XT6 is back up and running I guess I should do one of those Track days with you guys.... Keep me posted on details...

    -mike
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