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Waxes and Polishes, Part III

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  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Somebody wondered how long it would take to get their Zaino. I mailed out my order last saturday afternoon by regular mail. Received package from Zaino via UPS this afternoon. Not bad turn around time at all.

    Now if it hadn't been raining since last night!! and I going out of town for weekend. I probably could go out and wash and clay it. Think I will wait on nicer weather.
    Pat
  • kourykoury Member Posts: 225
    pcleveland2 - that was me, and it took me seven days for my order as well. Not bad!! Let us know when it stops raining and you've had a chance to put it on.
  • johnsandiegojohnsandiego Member Posts: 16
    Luck11:
    I found a sheepskin mit for car-washing at Walmart for just $5. It works great, and so far I have not noticed any scratches from it on my 5 month old Toyota Solara. I use Zaino products and have found that washing the car is very easy since the dirt does not seem to adhere to the finish. The real test will be this weekend, since because of rain and travelling I have not been able to wash it for about four or five weeks and it's pretty dirty.
    For drying I use a synthetic chamois (the Absorber) that seems to work pretty well. Drying is always time consuming. Since the water here in San Diego is extremely hard any little bit left on the car will cause spotting, so I have to be thorough. Anybody have any tips to make it easier?
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    johnsandiego -

    I find that it is possible to get most of the water to run off by itself when rinsing due to the "surfact tension" of water.

    First, do not use a regular hose nozzle, the water comes out too hard and the spray sprays all over the car. Get a plastic "fan spray" used for flowers. It puts out a nice even fan of low-pressure water. When rinsing, wet the entire panel, and then use the spray to "push" a wall of water off the car in one smooth movement, and the water will "pull" most of the rest with it. Always rinse top to bottom. Is this clear enough?

    I also have a nice Solara, and there is hardly enough water on it to wet the towel when I am through rinsing. Give it a try!
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    That was "surface tension"
  • lanie1lanie1 Member Posts: 19
    Can Zaino be used on German finishes without hazing or other problems. (I have a new Z3 and want to care for it properly from the beginning - it is metallic grey).

    Has anyone used Zaino on a new BMW? What were your results?
  • onlyonceonlyonce Member Posts: 10
    I put the first coat of Z-1, Z-2, Z-6 on my wife's sky blue BMW 328i last weekend. I felt like I had to rub over and over to get the Z-2 completely off - seemed "hazy" - I think I didn't let it dry long enough (1 hour in 60 degree weather)

    I did a coat of z-6 after the Z-2 and it seemed to help.

    I'll probably do another coat of z-2 this weekend or next. I'll let you know how it goes.

    This is a 6 month old bimmer - and it is not a dark color - but I saw a difference in the shine. When pulling into the garage a couple of nights after the zaino treatment - I wasn't really looking for the shine - but I did a double take when I saw her car. I could see the reflection of my mountain bike from the other side of the garage in her paint. I had never seen this before the Zaino.

    Zaino seems to give more of a "showroom" shine.
  • onlyonceonlyonce Member Posts: 10
    jeff,

    didn't you struggle with whether to use zaino on your merecedes because of the "zaino on european cars" issue - what has been your experience?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    lanie1 & onlyonce

    Look here- didn't hurt this finish!

    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/febbmw.html

    fastdriver
  • lanie1lanie1 Member Posts: 19
    Onlyonce - thanks for the info. Please let me know how the second application goes. Also did you clay before the first application?

    Fastdriver - The Z3 pictures are inspirational! Your cousin's car looks wonderful. How does she care for the top and vinyl window? Does she use Zaino products for those also? Did you do the whole Dawn, clay, procedure before the first application? Had your cousin used other products before you applied Zaino? (P.S. Based on the Tyson home pictures, ear-biting must pay well!)
    Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures, etc.
  • onlyonceonlyonce Member Posts: 10
    I did not clay the car first. I went by Autozone on my way home and they did not have it. The day was too perfect to pass up - so I proceeded without. The result is very satisfactory without the clay . . . . . but I will likely clay my own car before its first treatment of zaino.

    re: the second coat - the weather here is wet and cold - z-2 would take forever to dry - so I will wait til next weekend
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    lanie 1-

    Yes, I did the clay, Dawn thing for her. It was the first time that I used the clay. I was dreading it, but it was NOT hard at all. Of course the size of the car makes everything go 10 times faster then when I do my 99 Chrysler 300M! LOL...

    I don't think she does anything special with the top or back window. The top is that cloth material. I just washed it with the Dawn too.

    As for using other products before ZAINO, I really don't know. I'll ask her when she gets back from vacation. I would say that all she's ever done is wash it! ;-)))

    Ear biting?? I was thinking the same thing when I saw it! Glad he wasn't home when I was there. I like my ears! :-)))))))

    fastdriver
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    This stuff cannot be THAT great, I have been telling myself since I have been reading this forum. After all, I have nearly 30 years of fanatical car care experience and I know how to get a really great shine on any car.

    I finally broke down, mostly due to fastdriver's photos, and ordered a set of Z and did my partners's car this weekend.

    It went really fast - Dawn wash, Z1,Z5,Z6 Saturday (clayed a couple of months ago)and Z2, Z6 Sunday. It is a dark metallic green Accord, and responded really well to the Z.

    The final verdict - FANTASTIC!!!! I thought the car looked great before, but the difference between my best wax job and the Z job are startling. The finish is just glass smooth! If I drop the towel on the hood, it slides off! The reflections are more clear and distinct than before, and the color is richer and deeper. My reward came when a neighbor driving down the street almost broke his neck ogling the Accord!

    I could actually see the swirl marks dissappearing as I rubbed in the Z5. Now, I want to put on even more! This stuff is truly addicting, I can see Zaino Anonymous in the future.

    Thanks for convincing me all, and thanks to Sal for his wondrous chemistry. By the way, I emailed him a question Saturday, and had an answer Sunday. Whatta guy!
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    I don't have a digital camera like SOME of us, but when the photos come back I will post them for you to see,
  • jdonneejdonnee Member Posts: 56
    I just went to a collector car show this weekend
    and saw a polimer wax called Finish First. Of
    course the rep said it was better than Liquid Glass
    and equal to Zaino. His point was that it does
    all of the steps that Z does with one coat.

    Anyone ever heard about Finish First or had
    experience with it?

    Comments please.
  • johnsandiegojohnsandiego Member Posts: 16
    Thanks for the advice, newwestd. I will have to try that. I use a regular spray nozzle when washing and it leaves a lot of water droplets on the car. I'm sure that having a good coat of polish on the car helps with that too in that the water rolls off much more easily.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Finish First is also a legitimate polymer finish. Most people who have tested it vs Zaino, however, came to the conclusion that Zaino is far superior. Zaino is easier to maintain, lasts longer, and after the second coat of Z2, the shine is better too. If you need more information, try checking the other car forums such as honda-acura.net.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    johnsandiego-

    Better yet- take the nozzle off the hose and just let the water cascade off the car starting with the roof. Then go for a QUICK spin. There will be very little left to wipe off.

    fastdriver
  • jsterjster Member Posts: 112
    Here is a link to the Ferrari Club FAQ, which discusses Finish First protectant, and other car care topics.

    http://ferrariclub.com/faq/clean.html

    From everything I've heard Finish First is a top notch product. I've used Klasse, which is similar and also a top notch product.
  • kourykoury Member Posts: 225
    Just when I thought I had it down....

    So I ordered the set of six Canon polishing towels from the Autofanatics website, hoping to take the Zaino plunge this week. I received the box today, opened it, read the Canon tag only to see "Made in Pakistan".

    I just assumed I was buying made in the USA towels, and they were much less expensive than buying them in a store. So here's the question - after reading all the posts about only using towels made in the USA, what would you do - send them back? Yikes, I may never get my car detailed....
  • SergeichSergeich Member Posts: 54
    I am sorry for your trouble. So much for me recommending businesses I have no involvement with.

    Send them back...
  • eddied2eddied2 Member Posts: 3
    Check this out. I used Zaino last week, Z1-Z5, then a second coat of Z5 a day later. I park the car (black Lincoln LS V8) in the garage at night, when I look at (into) the hood I can read the wattage of the light bulb in the ceiling 15 feet away! No S#%*. Now that's what I call deep.
  • wareware Member Posts: 28
    I think the best towels are from http://www.aardvarktowels.com

    They are pricey ($18), but worth it. You can get them in 18x26 or 26x36 sizes. They are very, very dense 100% US pima cotton (more dense than what I can find around here) and the edges are stitched with cotton.

    I have also tried cotton towels I've bought locally and cut the edges off. They fray a lot in the washer and dryer and get tangled together. The more expensive ones fray less. I bought a very high priced Cannon (or Fieldcrest) bath towel at Bloomingdales for a low price (it was on sale as a second/blemish item) and I use it for a quick first dry of the car after washing and then do a quick run over of the car with an Aardvark towel which leaves the paint perfectly dry and shiny.

    The Aardvark towels are really great for removing Zaino. FYI - I believe Sal recommends using a large terry cloth towel for best results if I remember earlier quotes correctly.
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    I know what you mean about the shine. It is SO SHARP! The car was VERY shiny with my best all-day-long multi-step wax job, but it was not the same shine that one easy Z5 and one Z6 gave. The Zaino shine brings the image into FOCUS, and the color is deeper and richer. I could read a newspaper in the shine! I can't wait to do it again!
  • taisontaison Member Posts: 71
    Here's my Mercedes E430 with Zaino.
    Notice the reflection in the side. This was taken with one of those disposable cameras. I'll try and use a better camera later.

    Click here.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    taison-

    Aren't you glad that you used ZAINO?? Picture looks great.

    fastdriver
  • taisontaison Member Posts: 71
    I love the stuff. I've been trying to recommend it to the people on the E Class board too. :)

    Hopefully in future pictures, the reflections will come out cleaner when I use a better camera. But even with a disposable camera, the shine is great.

    Sometimes, during dusk, the car takes on a purplish hue. It looks so nice.
  • lanie1lanie1 Member Posts: 19
    A picture really is worth a thousand words! I ordered the Zaino products yesterday. Thanks for the information.
  • nick46nick46 Member Posts: 2
    I have a 94 Ford Ranger, bought used, so i don't know much about it. Seller said it has clear coat finish on it & doesn't need waxing. Is this true? He also got it re-finished every 6 months, whatever that means. How do I care for the body besides washing ? Thanks in advance for any help! nick
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,120
    clearcoat is just paint like any other paint, only it's clear. it needs to be protected. Don't know what the owner's definition of "re-finished" means? you should ask him/her what they did to it.

    By all means, clan and wax your clear coat, though.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • nick46nick46 Member Posts: 2
    thanks - 7 sorry bout the multiple posts. i hit the refresh button to see it . guess i shouldn't do that. ex-owner said he doesn't know what they did, but that he bought the claer coat "treatment" & the told him to come in 2x a year. It looks great, but i want to make sure it stays that way. can i use any wax or does it need to be formulated for clear coat ?
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    Any good wax will be fine for your clear coat. However, since this is the Zaino forum, you are hereby encouraged to order the appropriate products and use only Zaino on your Ranger. It will look like new (or better) as long as you own it and you will be very happy you did.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,120
    newwestd is right. For the best protection and shine for your clearcoat go to www.zainobros.com and order at least Z1/Z2/Z6/Z7 as a minimum. Invest in some good 100% cotton towels and you are on your way. It'd probably be a good idea to order some Z18 clay, too.

    newwestd--saw you got your hand slapped in the other "wax" topic talking about "Z"...LOL! Shame on you!
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    Ai Yi Yi! It was only a brief mention! I was just trying to open some closed minds. I am still a skeptic, but willing to be objective. I thought we all are in the car forums because we want the very best for our cars, but it seems that some are only here to talk and not to learn.

    Oh well - too bad for them!
  • pat455pat455 Member Posts: 603
    Yes, that's the one he's talking about. All you need to do is use the Topic Search feature on the left sidebar to look for wax and you can find every topic, current and archived, that has ever discussed wax here at Edmunds! :-)

    Pat
    Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
  • jkumpirejkumpire Member Posts: 8
    Hello Freinds,

    Well, it was windy and almost 70 degrees F today in SE Ohio, so it was time for another beginner's day with Zaino.

    Let me thank you folks for your help answering some questions with my last two posts, they were very helpful. Still have some more questions, and some more events to tell...

    Today I started about 1:00 P.M. with a Zaino Car wash, very needed. I then put another coat of Z2 on it. Taking your advice, I wetted down the applicator with Z6 before using, and it did help.
    At first, I seemed to get lots of "water type droplets" where the Z2 was going, but as time went on, I saw less water, and more Z2 on. I used much less Z2 this time, and was able to see what I did by more organization. However, the old 1 sq. ft. square trick does not work with a van like I have, since the areas of the van have more glass in them, and less sheet metal surface, like a hood or trunk.

    It was so easy to see what I was doing today, and the result was unreal! The finish was even better than the first time, and there is still Z2 in the bottle. You are correct, a little Z2 does an awful lot!

    Next came a Z6 coat, which I intended to follow with another Z2, but time was too short. Using the Z6 for the first tiem was a pain. It says "use a light mist on a 1x1 square. Well the sprayer on the bottle I got does not squirt a mist, it squirts out a long thin spray, which then ran everywhere. It was not real problem getting the Z6 cleaned up well, but let me ask you guys if you had the same problem. I expect a light spray, not a hard stream if the directions say light spray. I probably ended up using a little too much Z6, but it did help the look of the car. What is the best way to do Z6 on a surface with a steep angle on it (i.e. doors, side walls)

    I have to tell you I am impressed with the Zaino stuff. It looks great, and even after a week with a lot of dirty, dusty driving, it cleaned up very well.

    Now on to questions:

    1. I got a lot of Z6 on the windows, so I thought, what the hey, why not try a window with it on (i.e. spray on, wipe off). Is this a good idea? Is there something better, or do I need to get the Z6 off now. I'd love to find a good window cleaning product.

    2. I have metal wheels of some type, can I use Z2/Z6 on them after a cleaning, or there another product that will work better? I have read much about damaging wheels, so I am leary of using Z@/Z6 unless I can find ways for it to be safe. The same goes for the grille

    3. I have a lot of dull/flat interior surfaces (i.e. the crash pad vinyl surfaces) in the front. Do you have any suggestions on how to clean them?

    4. The van has step ups inside the car, with rubber/plastic knobby surfaces on them, and they are muddy. Is there any Zaino product to clean and protect this area?

    Folks, whether you are new to Zaino, or are a veteran user, I can't praise this stuff enough. It is what people in this section make it out to be.


    I hope this helps some beginners out there!

    Sincerely,

    John Kay
    jkumpire@netpluscom.com
  • tpmiller1tpmiller1 Member Posts: 165
    following your posts and informative responses closely. Great idea for us newbies.
  • kourykoury Member Posts: 225
    Yep, the other forum is number 1038, Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts). Seems there's a contingent out there who are afraid to learn about anything other than what's available off the shelf. And you will get your hand slapped if you mention Zaino. I'm with newwestd, we're here to learn and who cares if a forum states no Zaino posts.

    fastdriver - beware the backlash if you post your pics - go for it!!! I'm up for a little light reading...
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    koury-

    I already posted. More for fun then anything else. I have never come to ANY Edmunds group looking for trouble or looking to start trouble. I express my views whether it be about my infamous Chrysler 300M or ZAINO or anything else that might come to mind! I NEVER mentioned the Z word! I just want to see if ANYONE there thinks the car looks good or even acceptable.

    fastdriver
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    jkumpire-

    Almost forgot you- Z-6 is GREAT for the windows. I use it all the time. It's also great for your computer screen and TV screen. Haven't tried it yet on the house windows OR the tile walls in the shower! LOL...

    You can use the Z-1/Z-2/Z-6 on your wheels. I do on my shiny aluminum wheels on my car. As for the Z-6 sprayer bottle- the SECRET is to BARELY open it. Sometimes I spray it on the applicator and sometimes directly on the car. Depends on how windy it is out.

    Sorry I can't help you with the other areas of your van. I don't use anything on my dash except a damp towel.

    Hope this helps.

    fastdriver
  • taisontaison Member Posts: 71
    I ordered the polishing cloths from Autofanatics, but it doesn't say where it was made. So I e-mailed the folks over there and they said that they were 100% cotton made in the USA.

    So therefore I am assuming that the polishing cloths are ok to use, but not their polishing towels (the ones made by Canon)?
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    Your step-by-step learning curve is really helping a lot of people. Not everyone has 30 years of car fanaticism behind them like "some" of us!!!

    For your interior you can use Lemon Pledge on everything - wood, chrome, plastic, rubber, leather, vinyl, your wife, etc. It cleans and provides a nice gloss without being shiny. I have used it for many, many years with consistent good results.

    For your rubber step plates - First you have to clean them to get the mud off. It seems a stiff brush and some soap and water and rinsing is called for.They are not inside the car are they? If so, maybe a wet towel will work. Then, probably most any rubber treatment will do to keep them black. Use whatever you use on your tires. I have been using "No Touch" and Turtle Wax "2001" tire foams with good results. I just tried Meguiar's tire cream - it looks good, but don't know how it lasts yet. Since the polish is so good, I may trust and try the Zaino rubber treatment.

    fastdriver is right - Z6 is really good for the windows, after they are cleaned with Windex, etc. They are now so shiny you have to have dark glasses to look at the car. It really makes a difference, and the dirt seems to stick less.
  • jkumpirejkumpire Member Posts: 8
    Hello Freinds,

    Well, it was windy and almost 70 degrees F today in SE Ohio, so it was time for another beginner's day with Zaino.

    Let me thank you folks for your help answering some questions with my last two posts, they were very helpful. Still have some more questions, and some more events to tell...

    Today I started about 1:00 P.M. with a Zaino Car wash, very needed. I then put another coat of Z2 on it. Taking your advice, I wetted down the applicator with Z6 before using, and it did help.
    At first, I seemed to get lots of "water type droplets" where the Z2 was going, but as time went on, I saw less water, and more Z2 on. I used much less Z2 this time, and was able to see what I did by more organization. However, the old 1 sq. ft. square trick does not work with a van like I have, since the areas of the van have more glass in them, and less sheet metal surface, like a hood or trunk.

    It was so easy to see what I was doing today, and the result was unreal! The finish was even better than the first time, and there is still Z2 in the bottle. You are correct, a little Z2 does an awful lot!

    Next came a Z6 coat, which I intended to follow with another Z2, but time was too short. Using the Z6 for the first tiem was a pain. It says "use a light mist on a 1x1 square. Well the sprayer on the bottle I got does not squirt a mist, it squirts out a long thin spray, which then ran everywhere. It was not real problem getting the Z6 cleaned up well, but let me ask you guys if you had the same problem. I expect a light spray, not a hard stream if the directions say light spray. I probably ended up using a little too much Z6, but it did help the look of the car. What is the best way to do Z6 on a surface with a steep angle on it (i.e. doors, side walls)

    I have to tell you I am impressed with the Zaino stuff. It looks great, and even after a week with a lot of dirty, dusty driving, it cleaned up very well.

    Now on to questions:

    1. I got a lot of Z6 on the windows, so I thought, what the hey, why not try a window with it on (i.e. spray on, wipe off). Is this a good idea? Is there something better, or do I need to get the Z6 off now. I'd love to find a good window cleaning product.

    2. I have metal wheels of some type, can I use Z2/Z6 on them after a cleaning, or there another product that will work better? I have read much about damaging wheels, so I am leary of using Z@/Z6 unless I can find ways for it to be safe. The same goes for the grille

    3. I have a lot of dull/flat interior surfaces (i.e. the crash pad vinyl surfaces) in the front. Do you have any suggestions on how to clean them?

    4. The van has step ups inside the car, with rubber/plastic knobby surfaces on them, and they are muddy. Is there any Zaino product to clean and protect this area?

    Folks, whether you are new to Zaino, or are a veteran user, I can't praise this stuff enough. It is what people in this section make it out to be.


    I hope this helps some beginners out there!

    Sincerely,

    John Kay
    jkumpire@netpluscom.com
  • SergeichSergeich Member Posts: 54
    I personally do not care if they were made on the Moon. As long as they leave less scratches removing Z2 than Cannon Royal Family 100% Cotton Made in USA towels I bought in "Bed Bath and Beyond" I am gonna use them.

    IMHO, polishing cloths for polish removal are like synthetic oil for engine. Manufacturers and dealerships say to use regular oil, Zaino Web Site says to use regular towels ;)
  • taisontaison Member Posts: 71
    So even the Cannon ones that are 100% Cotton Made in the USA left scratches?
  • SergeichSergeich Member Posts: 54
    Relatively. The scratches they leave are hard to see. The cotton cloths I use also leave scratches, but they leave less.
    Consider this. I would never use cotton cloths to clean my photographic lenses because it would scratch coating. Even though the stuff I use to clean my lenses is much safer than cotton, I actually try to use it as rear as possible, because it also damages coating.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Windows: fastdriver has used Z6 on EVERYTHING! I've heard he's going down his whole block doing every window. But he IS right, it works. Sal doesn't recommend this use, but I've found it very helpfull. I use a slight variation on the theme. On my windshield, I first clean and then polish the glass with Zaino's Glass Polish. Great stuff. Then I wash the windshield with Windex to remove any residue. The glass is really 'squeeky' clean. Now I apply a layer of Z6. You can't see the Z6 which fills all those microscopic pits, but its there. Wait for the first good rain storm. The water will just sheet off the glass. This method seems to hold up for at least 3 good storms.

    re Wheels: I've used Z1/Z2 on my metal wheels with very good results.

    re Internal Surfaces: newwestd has some good ideas, and I'll try them too. I've also used good olde Fantastic on scuff marks on internal vinyl. And I've also used Zaino's "Leather In A Bottle" on these plastic surfaces with very good results.
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    He is such a lucky guy to have all you great people sharing years of experience with him, and also to have found Zaino at such an early stage!

    Jeez, I'm starting to sound like a bible-thumper, I'd better back off!
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    pblevine-

    Don't get carried away. I don't use it on EVERYTHING! It does work great on computer screens and TV screens. I don't do windows- just car windows when I absolutely have to! ;-)) I'd rather Z the whole car then do the windows!

    " Sal doesn't recommend this use, but I've found it very helpfull." WHAT doesn't he recommend? Windows?

    fastdriver
  • newwestdnewwestd Member Posts: 157
    OK Experts - I have a question I cannot solve - I cannot get the inside of my rear window to be perfectly clean without some slight smearing and streaking that shows inside when in the afternoon sun.

    I have tried everything! Windex, Armor All and 3M window cleaners, Mother's window cleaner (like the old Glass Wax), newspaper, soft towels, etc. etc. Any suggestions? It is ONLY inside the rear window. It seems I could never get that "new car film" off properly. Thanks!
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