Honda Accord problems

old_volve_dude · May 2000

...which is basically 45% Accord parts, so I feel like I'm in the right place.

1) I know you've posted this multiple times, but you emphatically believe in using Honda parts only, correct? I would assume this includes oil filters, but not necessarily fluids (oil, anti-freeze). Again, apologies if you've answered this before.

2) Have you heard of any transmission issues with the Acura TLs, which are V6s?

3) Since the cars are fairly interchangeable, any issue with Honda mechanics working on TLs?

Thanks.

pat455 · May 2000

I'll be interested in auburn63's responses to your questions.

Meanwhile, I'll tell you that I bought a 99 TL a year ago. Since that time I've followed ALL of the TL topics in Town Hall. I have not seen any problems whatsoever reported with the TL transmission.

What say you, auburn?

Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference

tl565 · May 2000

Thanks Pat for the tip on searching. It is a little time consuming though because you have to sort through the responses one-by-one to find the info. Anyway here is a reprint of the first that I found in the chain to save time for anyone else interested in the boil over problem:

#25 of 418: Hello richrf....... (tomhan) Wed 26 Jan '00 (11:32 AM)

Glad to see your here.

As you can see, there are even more quality issues
that hadn't shown up on the other forum. I hope
the perfect car owners on that site read my message
and don't come over here to bash us every time we
mention a problem.

For referance again, here are some of my quality
issues. I'm hoping that someone out here will keep
us informed if they are finding resolution to any
of these.

Transmission problems - I had the reverse clunk
problem and as had been verified Honda's first
response was... "what problem" . They did however
admit to the problem soon after and didn't waste
any time in getting a replacement. Problem is that
I now have a brand new trans that whines at low
speed and doesn't shift as smoothly as the first
one did. It appears that this level of mechanical
work is beyond my dealerships capability.

Fuel boil-over - I too have this one and it is a
major concern for me do to a health issue. I must
have a dependable car. No solution to date although
you (richf) have indicated that it is at least
being looked at.

Wind/road/engine noise - The noise level is
outrageous on this car. For referance, the noise
masks my heater fan on full speed at roughly 40 mph
on a smooth raod in calm wind. This is excessive.
The dealer made a very slight improvement by
adjusting the rear passenger side door but the
overall noise is bad news. The engine sounds quite
loud also from within the cabin.
Fortunately, I have a 97 camry to compare to and
the camry is a sure hands down winner.

Cruise Control - Although not a major issue for me
I noticed this weekend that any time I excellerate
with the cruise accel switch the car speeds up at
full throttle. I don't know if this is normal for
the accord but my camry accelerates at a gradule
controlled rate that is based upon the grade. The
control also over-shoots a bit. If I speed up to
50mph mph for example and let go of the accel
switch the car continues to advance to around 53
mph. The camry locks on as soon as you let go.

Overall cheapness - I'm can objectively state that
honda's quality level has decreased from the last
model I owned (88 LXI). A number of my body panels
aren't even close to being lined up. Honda used to
be famous for their build quality. I don't have the
scrath problems that Richf talks about but the
paint job just has a cheap "Earl Shieb" appearance
to it.

Body rattles - I have a lot of rattles already at
1100 miles. My camry is three years old and not one
rattle yet.

Sound System - I probably don't view my radio has
poorly as Richf but it is sure nothing to write
home about. I sounds to me like Richf has a
defective unit while I view mine as cheap. It
definately needs to be upgraded and I agree with
Richf that it is not up to even the minimum
standards for a car in this price range. My
97'camry sound is far superior. Funny thing is that
I read on another site that the 97'camry sound
sucks compared to the 93'camry sound. Oh well....

I am very interested in hearing the results of
unhappyv6owner's lemon law pursuit. Please keep us
posted. I will make one more attempt at my
transmission and will then follow the same coarse.
I've already sent a letter to Honda as a sort of
"shot across the bow" pre-warning.

pat455 · May 2000

I usually use the list as a reference point and then use a new window to actually read the posts. Working with the "jump to" box at the top of the page let's you see groups of posts around whatever you are looking for, also.

Didn't you find any posts about a resolution to this problem? I thought there had been at least one or two. I also thought the problem had to do with just certain areas of the country?

Oh well, auburn63 will show up and clarify, I'm sure. :-)

Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference

auburn63 · May 2000

T1565,
Ever since I first saw people complaining about the boil over thing I have been looking for a buletin and have not gotten one yet.I have even searched for it on the Honda net we have. The only thing I found was possibly something close. I found a service news on hard starts and they say the fix for this is a new TW sensor and computer. They say at certain temps that the TW(temp/water)sensor mis-reads the value and the computer makes the mixture to rich causing the car to flood.I have seen this way back in the 88/89 era but have yet to see it at our dealer for the newer cars.I will however keep looking, but in the mean time if your car will not start try holding the throttle wide open and cranking for as long as it takes( up to like 1 min of solid cranking)if still has not started give it a min for the starter to cool down and then retry.

Old Volve Dude
Yes I always say to use OEM parts but any good tech can install them.This includes everything except for like oil and maybe brake fluid. However trans fluid,power steering and coolant I would use the Honda/Acura stuff.
That I know of there has been no trans problems but I do not work on them we have a Acura dealer down the road from us so I dont see many.
As far as a tech working on it. Sure they are all basicly the same so a Honda tech would do just fine. There are a few that I have been working on due to some of the customers not liking the other dealer.Hope I have answered evry ones questions.......

Pat hello once again, I am still going to keep an eye out for that Boil over thing but I think it may be the same as the temp sensor thing.Time will tell......... nice hearing your comments once again...see ya

silvercoupe · May 2000

This is from post #366 of this forum:

My dealer just informed me the necessary
replacement parts to fix the boilover problem have
been sent directly from Honda. The fuel pressure
regulator and computer are being replaced. I just
hope they know what they're doing. They said they
have to keep the car a whole day. Service manager
also said this is the first repair of this type he
has had done. Also mentioned there would likely be
a national recall of V6's to fix this widespread
problem.

Pat: You bought an Acura TL? Nice car. Had someone in another forum stating that they had leased a 97 for three years and was not happy with it at all (hard shifting trans, gas hog, many other small problems). Then they went out and bought a 2000 Chevy Impala. Just in love with it and tried to convince me that it was better than any Honda product. Go figure.

pat455 · May 2000

Yes indeedy, it is a nice car! The TLs were completely redesigned in 99, btw. I have read no serious complaints with the 99s or 00s whatsoever - some people seem to have some rattling problems, but I don't. My only complaint is that the car stereo reception at the lower end of the dial is very poor, which is of course where I'm usually listening (otherwise I wouldn't know!).

Prior to this car, I owned a 5 speed '89 Accord LXi - ten trouble-free, dependable years!

I personally have tremendous faith in Honda/Acura products based on my own experience and the other Hondas that my family and friends have owned.

As has been earlier noted, this is a place where people come to find help with problems - if 95% of the Honda/Acura cars on the road are problem-free, how many of those owners would think to stop by here and report that?

Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference

tl565 · May 2000

Thanks Pat for your .02 cents worth. As I have said in previous messages I think it is unusual that people with brand new 2000 models have had so many problems. I have noticed that other similar vehicles do not even have a PROBLEMS board, but the Accord does and a very active one at that.

This type of information is very valuable for those of us trying to buy a dependable car. Why would anyone purchase a car with a "fuel boilover" problem that keeps the car from starting....especially when the factory still hasn't published a repair for it yet?

Isn't that important information for a consumer to know before shelling out $20K? For people to speak in general terms about quality and dependability and try very hard to influence other people to buy a car just because they did is not very useful to most shoppers.

silvercoupe · May 2000

What kind of car do you now have? What did you base your buying decision on?

terminalis · May 2000

I saw posts somewhere at edmunds about the quality of today's vehicles. I think it was in LA Times. All the vehicles nowadays seem to have no transmission and engine problems at all when NEW. They were discussing something about top rated cars vs those that still have a bad reputation like Hyundai. They found out that the important stuff like powertrain is all OK when new. It's other stuff like refinement and fit and finish. I do know that tranny problems in accord were limited to certain periods. Nevertheless, I'm still very surprised about the fact that Honda produced many vehicles needing complete tranny replacement. It's more serious than, say, a misaligned door. Honda used to be exemplary in quality control, and had legendary reliability. I could be biased due to my accord's tranny problem. But, I'm pretty convinced that Honda's quality is dropping. For the moment, it's got great resale value. But, I'm concerned whether that value is gonna hold in six or seven years.

fritz1224 · May 2000

had the replacements installed two days ago. They were the fuel pressure regulator and the PGM-FI Engine/powertrain control module. These were sent directly frm Honda. Supposedly the problem was associated with the winter fuel formula. So I will only know if this fix works when winter comes. However, very impressed with the receptiveness of the service department thus far.
tl565 why don't you find some other car to rag on and get on with it? They aint perfect, none of them.

adg44 · May 2000

My car doesn't have any problems with the engine or the tranny, and I drive hard on my car. The suspension is great, and so are most of the electronics. My problems are with the paint which is the worst ever and the fit and finish of some of the parts. I'm calling Honda to see what they say about my paint problems. We'll see what happens.

tl565 · May 2000

As for 'ragging' on the 2000 Accord, it isn't me who has been reporting transmission problems, hesitation, fuel boiling/no start, rattles, squeaky door panels, etc etc. It is actual OWNERS who are reporting their experiences with their 2000 Accord. If these experiences are not positive, you do not need to be defensive and try to make excuses for them.

If you feel comfortable spending $20,000+ for a brand new 2000 model car that does not start during the winter, and if you know that Honda has not published a repair fix for it then great. I'm sorry that pointing this out is somehow considered 'ragging'.

terminalis · May 2000

Some Honda owners really love their cars. They take negative comments about their cars pretty personal. I wonder why. I'll be interested in knowing what some people in this forum do for living and how old they are. Perhaps, the lifestyle and personality reflect the pattern. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a shrink.

isellhondas · May 2000

I guess this "horrible" transmission problem will be rehashed over and over ad nasuem!

Folks...The problem only affected a few V-6 cars. It has been long resolved...O.K.? the affected cars have been/will be fixed under warranty!

Fuel Boilover? What's that? Why have I never heard of this except in these forums? Even the Honda Tech is puzzled!

For crying out loud...If you are scared, don't buy a Honda! What then, will you buy?

Is there such a thing as a perfect car that will never have a problem?

silvercoupe · May 2000

Yes, it seems that there are some among us that like to point out how stupid we were to purchase a Honda Accord. Yet that person won't bother to tell us what kind of car he has.

Well, I would like to point out in dollars and cents, what made me buy another Honda:

My wife's 97 Accord LX has been with us for 3.5 years and over 59,000 miles. My total outlay for maintenance has been $185. This includes oil changes every 3,750 miles and 1 valve adjustment all done by my local Honda dealer (the dealer gave me a $ off coupon book to be used toward the cost of oil changes, so that helped). I changed the air filter, spark plugs and rotated the tires myself.

By my calculation that figures to under $55 per year total maintenance cost. I know that I have tires to buy soon, and the 60,000 mile service, but all cars have to have tires and service occasionally. I will do it all the service work myself except for the valve adjustment.

In 3.5 years this car has NEVER been to the shop for repairs, only for service. How could I not buy another Honda???

I will give my 2000 Coupe more than 3 months to prove itself. If it proves to be virtually maintenance free I will continue to buy Honda. If not, I will then consider other brands.

I just hate to see someone come into this forum and trash the Accord without first having owned one.

adg44 · May 2000

I'm just trashing the paint.

silvercoupe · May 2000

Hey, just passed you in the Coupe forum. Good luck with the service manager tomorrow. I think you would be happy with any other color.

vinney · May 2000

hey folks i'm new to this conference and i'm wondering if anyone out there has any rattles and creaks coming from the back of the car around the rear shelf or so. i have a 2000 accord that is 3 weeks old. it has a plastic creak or rattle that sounds in the morning and when the sun comes out it seems to go away. i'm taking it to the dealer tommorow but i personally dont think they will fix it.if anyone has an idea of what it can be i will greatly appreciate your input.

sflora · May 2000

I had a mysterious rattle that I couldn't pinpoint too. Cleaned out the glovebox, center holder, everything. Turns out it was sunglasses in the holder. Doooh!

BTW, I just passed the 7500 mi. mark on my 2000 Accord SE, bought 12/99. No problems to report.

notm · May 2000

I've just reached the 3,500 mark on my 2000 LX Coupe. It's 2.5 months old. I know the manual says to keep the oil in until 7500. What did you all do?

fritz1224 · May 2000

I just continued using this term after seeing a similar description of the problem I was having posted and it was described as that. Actually, a more accurate term would be vapor lock. Hard starting associated with winter fuel and warmer than normal winter temperatures.
tl565, you're right, my apology.

justme6 · May 2000

I purchased a v-6 accord on 5/15 and with only 100
miles on it now I found a major tranny leak my car was made 5/00 so the problem is not solved who wants a rebuilt tranny in a 22k car my days with honda are over. I went to the nissan dealer on 5/17 and traded for a maxima lost 2k but worth not having a lemon for a car beware honda owners they dont build them like they once did. By the way my max now has 100 miles on it and is perfect.

adg44 · May 2000

I was upset with my 00 V6 Accord Coupe too!! On Saturday I actually went to Nissan and was ready to get a 00 Max SE. It didn't work out though because they would only give me 20,500 for my car and the Max was 4,000 more. I know you'll be happy with the Nissan, we had to Maximas and they were great.

adg44 · May 2000

Ah, atleast someone else shares my awful rattling experience! Is this the awful rattling, squeaking, popping, clicking, rubbing noise coming from the rear part of the headliner that you hear? I think it is! I'm taking my car up to the dealer sometime this week about it and they say they know what the problem is. Good luck...

- Anthony

pat455 · May 2000

auburn, what does that mean? I read in one of the TL topics that Honda engines are susceptible to this. It was said that the way to avoid it is turn the key to the accessory position and wait until the gas gauge registers before starting the car.

When I bought my '89 Accord, they told me to do essentially that and I always did with that car and have continued the practice with my TL just out of habit.

Is that why I don't know what this vapor lock condition is? :-)

Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference

adg44 · May 2000

I'm really not a moron, I ment two, not to. But hey, 2, to, two, too, they are all the same.

jin_satx · May 2000

Is the 6 your AGE or your IQ? You never owned a Honda and you don't own a Max. You are just another kid with a computer. Please go paly some video game or download some music and leave us "real" owners to discuss their cars.

Thank you

silvercoupe · May 2000

I changed mine at 2k miles, then found out that Honda uses a "break-in" oil and does not recommend changing until 7.5k. Auburn63 said I would be ok. Also, my local dealer recommends changing at 3.5k.

adg44 · May 2000

How do you know that he didn't have an Accord and that he doesn't have a Max now? Maybe you judged him on his writing, and if so, I don't blame you. But you can't judge people unless you know what you are saying is true. Being a 16 year old "kid" myself, I know that I'd have better things to do than come into a forum like this and post BS messages. I'm a "kid" and I have a 00 Accord Coupe, so why couldn't he? Maybe he isn't even a kid. Who knows? And also, I hope that you didn't judge him because he can't write very well, you spelled "play" wrong. Maybe you are a kid who has a computer and you don't own a Honda Accord. Your profile says that you own a VW Passat. Why are you even in this forum then? One more thing, I really don't appreciate your stereotype that kids only play (or paly, as you said) video games and download music.

- Anthony

spokane · May 2000

Pat455, vapor lock is vaporization of the fuel in the fuel supply system; where it should remain a liquid. The fuel must be in liquid form when it passes through the carb jets or the fuel injectors. On carbureted cars with mechanical fuel pumps, the fuel in the line between the pump and the carb can vaporize. This vapor will usually vent through the opening in the top of the carb float chamber but sometimes a vapor bubble can get trapped. I haven't encountered this in several years but when it does occur it's usually after a car with a hot engine has been parked for some time in the hot sun. The fix is to loosen the fuel line at the carb or place ice on the fuel line and pump to condense the vapor. This is less likely to happen with fuel-injected engines because the line pressure is ~40 psi rather than the ~4 psi of carburetted systems. However, the high-volatility winter fuel combined with some physical arrangements of the fuel line, fuel rail for the injectors, and fuel pressure regulator could make some engines vulnerable to vapor lock. Terminalis (post #427) tells of a new fuel pressure regulator and ECM which are expected to correct this problem. If this new regulator has a device such as a solenoid pressure-relief by-pass, and the ECM operates this solenoid briefly during start-up (perhaps only under certain temperature conditions) the small amount of vapor would be vented back to the fuel tank and the injectors would receive liquid fuel. The problem and Honda's corrective measures, of course, are probably more complex than my above simple description. Perhaps Terminalis can tell us how the new fuel pressure regulator differs from the old one and ...if the problem is solved.

adg44 · May 2000

Atleast I'm just upset about the paint! And what's with this?!? No one has gotten back to me about the water marks on their paint? Just next time you look at your car, if you could think of me and check for water spots, I'd appreciate that. :-þ

- Anthony

auburn63 · May 2000

You forgot to mention that you could also use wooden clothes pins on the fuel lines to help prevent vapor lock, like with a 55 chevy..........lol.........Anyhow Pat, what he said.....I still have not found any info on this condition existing, I am sure that these people are having some kind of starting problem but as for the cause I have been told that it is due to a TW sensor and or the computer itself. So time will tell I am sure they will let me know when I need to know it.

tl565 · May 2000

Here is some information from the governements database on vehicle problems:

ODI ID: 721653
Make: HONDA
Model: ACCORD
Year: 2000
Date of Failure: Friday, December 10, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 0
Component: FUEL:FUEL LINES FITTINGS AND PUMP
Summary: ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASSIONS MY CAR WOULD NOT START. I HAD TO MAKE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AND EVENTUALLY IT WOULD START BUT WOULD NOT STAY RUNNING UNLESS I KEPT GIVI

tl565 · May 2000

Gere is another report from the Fed's database on the 2000 Accord:

ODI ID: 719977
Make: HONDA
Model: ACCORD
Year: 2000
Date of Failure: Saturday, December 04, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 0
Component: FUEL:FUEL SYSTEMS
Summary: HONDA ADMITS A PROBLEM WITH THE 2000 REDESIGN OF THEIR V6 ENGINES. THIS CAUSES A VAPOR LOCK TYPE PROBLEM, WHICH HAS CAUSED MY CAR TO BE DIFFICULT TO START ON 7

tl565 · May 2000

Here is some more information from another owner of a 2000 Accord on the vapor lock problem:

ODI ID: 718015
Make: HONDA
Model: ACCORD
Year: 2000
Date of Failure: Wednesday, December 01, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries:
Component: ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM
Summary: IF TEMPERATURE WARMS UP DURING WINTER, FUEL WILL BOIL OVER AND FLOOD THE ENGINE PREVENTING THE ENGINE FROM STARTING UP.*AK

jin_satx · May 2000

I'm glad you are a hard working responsible 16 year old. However, it does get tiring seeing those obvious incoherent "kiddie" posts like those from "justme6". Just for your info, I'm old enough to own two cars. One for me, Passat, and one for the wife, Accord. Also, at my age arthritis will cause you to type "paly" wrong, or, is it my "dyslexic eyes", or, I can't remember, minds going too. As for your water spots, no problem on the wife's Accord, I immediately put a coat of Meguiers on it 3 days after I got it. Did this after hearing how soft the paint was and how she complained about small "hair like" scratching. So far so good.

Have you tried talking to a detail shop about your problem? It would seem to me that even if you spent a couple of hundred out of your own pocket it would be better than the grief you are now suffering. Good luck.

Again no guarantees on the typing, old hands, old eyes, bad memory!!!!!!

bolderbob9 · May 2000

My 1998 honda v6 accord has 46K miles and has been
diagnosed with transaxle failure by the local
honda dealer. My extended warranty will cover and
honda has agreed to cover the deductible, $250, if
i can provide the crucial 30K transmission service
paperwork. I don't have my owner's manual handy,
but i can't recall a 30K service on the tranny
being required for normal conditions. Can anyone
help with the actual interpretation of the
maintenance schedule? Does the 30K normal service
schedule require this? Why is a honda with 46K of
highway miles having transmission failure? So much
for reliability and Honda being one and the same.
Will probably look at nissan or toyota next time.
Any thoughts out there.

isellhondas · May 2000

I'm curious, what made you think that justme6's post was a hoax?

I also have my doubts. First of all, a transmission leak normally does not require the replacement of the transmission.

And, running to another brand isn't a smart solution either. Maximas, like hondas are great cars. They are also far from perfect. What will he/she do if the Maxima's transmission develops a leak? Run to yet another make looking for utopia?

So, what raised your suspecions?

pat455 · May 2000

auburn - thanks for the explanation. When I bought my Accord LXi in '89, they said because it was fuel injected to turn the key and wait for all the lights to go out on the dash before starting. As I said, out of habit I have continued that with my TL. Then I read that this practice keeps vapor lock from occurring -- true? And if not, is that practice beneficial in any way?

isell - I'm not speaking for jin_satx, but for one thing check the date of justme6's post and the dates of purchase to which he refers - could have been just a mistake, but still....

Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference

qinsong99 · May 2000

I have a 1992 Honda Accord LX, and it has a problem since I changed the engine oil last weekend. Now, The first starting in the morning lasts usually longer. At the same time, I can hear a kind of wired noise. However, the following startings during the day will return to normal. I asked a lot of people about this, but I can not get a consistent answer. Does too much engine oil (4.5 quarts) can cause this problem? I appreciate your replies.

tl565 · May 2000

Transmission leaks and failures seem to be not uncommon on the 2000 Accord. The Fed's Office of Defect Investigations has quite a few leaks and failures.

ODI ID: 720976
Make: HONDA
Model: ACCORD
Year: 2000
Date of Failure: Friday, October 15, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 0
Component: Summary: 3 TRANSMISSION LEAKS AS OF 04/04/2000: AT THIRD LEAK - REPLACING TRANSMISSION...OIL LEAK: ENGINE REPLACED DUE TO INDENTATION B/W VALVE COVER & BLOCK. RECEIVED

adg44 · May 2000

I did stop by a body shop and they said they might be able to buff them out, but it might not do anything. He also didn't want to try it because he said there isn't a very thick layer of clear coat. But I did see a couple other Honda's at a parking lot today and they had little water spots on them too. It's kinda hard to seem them, some people think I'm crazy. I'm not crazy, just very picky. They are most noticeable under light bulbs like in your garage. Otherwise when it is sunny out, you can kind of make them out when the sun hits directly on the paint. When I take my car up to the dealership, the Honda regional office told me to talk to the service manager about the spots. We'll just see what happens.

fritz1224 · May 2000

yes, you're right about the description of vapor lock. This was the explanation I was given by the service manager. It may or may not be accurate. The TW sensor may have been the culprit, but I feel pretty confident that the modification that Honda authorized and supplied parts for will work.
tl565, exactly how many problems will deter you from buying an Accord and when will you move on?

silvercoupe · May 2000

I think t1565 just learned how to cut-and-paste and is showing off his new found skill.

silvercoupe · May 2000

Never heard of an oil change causing starting problems (auburn63, help us out here). What weight oil did you put in your car? What kind of filter did you use?

fritz1224 · May 2000

Yes, I think you're right. However he/she does not offer any substantive information about Honda products or personal experiences so I really don't value what he/she posts.

silvercoupe · May 2000

Did you find out maintenance requirements @ 30k? I don't think anything is required. Guess it's good that you have the extended warranty. A transmission failure should not occur this soon in my opinion. I have a 91 Accord with 147,000 miles and the tranny is still good.

fritz1224 · May 2000

I have the manufacuture's manual in fornt of me and it recommends transmission fluid change at 30k under severe conditions and 90k under normal conditons. The descriptions of the two conditions leave a lot of leeway for interpretation. Good luck.

auburn63 · May 2000

I dont see how the oil could be related unles you over filled it by alot. That engine takes about 4.2 with a filter change so 4.5 would not cause this.As far as what it could be if you havent done a distributor yet it may be starting to fail. Which would also explain the noise but there are so many factors..If you want try and give me more info if possible..

Bolderbob,
They are probably trying to say that at 30k you should have changed your trans fluid and if you can show proof of that then that is all they need.

Pat,
I still have not seen any Honda in the 16/17 whatever years I have been with Honda. So what you are doing is a good practice if for no other reason than it is allowing the fuel system to presurize fully before starting up.I am still trying to get info on how a fuel injected car boils over or vapor locks. I have seen many for various reasons flood cold/semi warm but they are due to a miss read of temp. So I will keep you in touch......

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