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Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts)

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  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I know you guys will kill me for doing this but,

    A long time ago, someone had poured some form of liquid on the car. It stayed on the car since again no time no water access. That was a while back. Now that I do have access and have time to clean the cars, the body is smooth after I clayed it, it is slick after I wax it, but you still see where that liquid had ran off. It almost feels like it has burnt it's way into the body that I can't take it off. It is not raised like a rash or anything, just there.

    Will these swirl removers help? what to do to try to get a nice clean car?
  • rerenov8rrerenov8r Member Posts: 380
    It sounds like something has actually stained your paint. It could simply be minerals, I have encountered that, where the minerals from waterspots have been so bad that even after claying they remain. You can keep claying over & over or try a more agressive attack.

    The other possibility is that some sort of chemical (often petro-based solvent) has attacked the paint. Again, you might have SOME luck with clay or even (if you are careful) a rubbing compound. it all depends how 'deep' the damage is.

    I'm sure others have advice too...
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I was browsing through the coach site for a gift for the wifey and ran into their leather conditioner. Anyone know if these are good for the leather seats of a car. I was thinking, if it comes from coach maybe it's good quality products and maybe good for the car. Please remember I said MAYBE.

    Has anyone given these a try?
  • rerenov8rrerenov8r Member Posts: 380
    it is a "high fat" oily lotion. I would not recommend it for automotive use, as it will a) likely darken seats b) may lift some dye from seats c) may transfer to clothing.

    It is fine for handbags and wallets though...
  • dad16dad16 Member Posts: 35
    Where I am in California statistically its sunny 300 days a year(not trying to rub it in), but boy do I feel guilty that I'm not out waxing every weekend since many of you cannot. The down side is that the sun is murder on cars.

    A note on the 303, a little goes a long, long way. I don't use it on the tires because its expensive, but plastic headlights and rear lights, yes it helps prevent fade from the sun. I bet the small bottle about 16oz. would last several years if your doing rubber trim around windows and doors, dash, steering wheel, lights etc..... just not the tires. Remember to spray it on your cloth and don't spray on the surface direct. To much over spray and waste. Also, don't forget that it makes the steering wheel slick. I figure the protection last several months then I re-apply and the steering wheel feels slick for about 2 weeks. It keeps it looking like new though.

    One last thing; It seems that after the initial application subsequent ones use less.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    Gosh, who knows what kind of nasty stuff was poured onto the paint. If you could look at the damaged area with a magnifying glass I think you'd see that it looks etched into the paint surface itself.

    Clay only removes what sits on top of the surface. A swirl mark remover likely won't touch it; they're very mild polishes. Sounds like something only a machine and a fairly aggressive polish can correct. This is prolly an area where a good pro detailer can really help.
  • stickking1stickking1 Member Posts: 247
    Guys, Terry from CMA used to have his "reference shine" routine on the web page, remember? I recently E-mailed him to see if he could give me a short rundown of what he used, what order and what he applied each product with. He didn't keep the old list and couldn't recall what went on when, so I thought I would see if anyone on here remembers. I don't need any of the wash stuff, just the polish and wax info. Thanks!
  • pzevpzev Member Posts: 807
    I've done a search and found this thread very informative and helpful. I do have a few questions I couldn't find the answers to though.

    1) Most people seem to be recommending Stoner Invisible Glass. I went to the site but it doesn't say if it's safe for tinted windows or not. Could anyone tell me if it is safe to use on tinted windows?

    2) Since tint can't be used on the entire windshield, is there a product that can be used on the windshield to offer some of the benefits as tint does?

    3) It seems 303 is a good product to use on the dash, do you use it on the buttons and turn signal levers, etc. as well? I'm a little confused as to how much of the interior the 303 should be used on.

    4) Finally, to do all the basic things to take care of a car, how many microfiber towels, cotton towels, etc. should I have on hand? It seems it's best to have a towel devoted to one job and to have a different towel for another, so about how many towels would I need total? How about foam applicator pads? Just wondering what kind of towels and other accessories I need and how many I should have. And where's the best place to get these things? Are all cotton and microfiber towels the same?

    Thanks in advance for any responses.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    (1) Stoner says its safe for most tints but test it first.

    (2) I assume its against state motor vehicle laws to apply any type of product that would interfere with a drivers vision. Whether that's tint or whatever, I'm sure its against the law everywhere. I have a good friend who used to tint his windshield. You could wallpaper a bedroom with all the tickets he got for that stunt.

    (3) You can use 303 on any plastic item you like but use some common sense - no 303 on the steering wheel, for example.

    (4) Its late and I'm too lazy to answer your broad questions. I'd think at least a dozen microfibers and 10-20 cotton terry hand towels would take care of your needs. That way you're not running out of towels or having to wash them 24/7 just to do a little more work on your car. Foam apps are really cheap so 10 or so would take care of most any need. Lots of good places to get towels, search thru old posts for web links to suppliers. Yes, there's a huge quality diff in towels.

    Time for bed.....
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I think I don't understand the uses for thie towel yet.
    1) I think this is terrible for drying the car. I think the abosorber and towels procedure works better.

    2) I think this stuff is great when taking off my Z. Like several have posted, no lint, no loose Z residue.

    We bought a 3 pack, 2 for the cars and 1 for the bathroom, just to test this out. My wife loves it for the bathroom, so we are thinking of getting more for the rest of the house.

    Before I go and buy a 12 pack what other uses can I use these microfibre towels for?
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I come from the land of where parking spot, not a garage, a SPOT, have a monthly cost of $2k - $3k. This means that every inch in a parking garage is being used, and is considered as prime real estate.

    I am not one who can afford the $3k bill for a spot, but we do used these parking garage when we drive to the city and pay $20 - $25 for 4- 6 hours.

    The other day we took my brothers Passat with a light beige cloth interior and when we picked it up from the garage there were foot prints on the front seat, and also where the gear shifter is. We complained and they cleaned it as best as they could, but there was still some marks. My brother was satisfied but I would not have been. What can my brother buy that would clean his seats and also the vinyl area?

    Oh if you are wondering whats the deal with the foot prints, it turns out that they park the cars so close to each other that when they get in, they climb over your car and through the window since there is only about 5-8 inches in between cars. Now if you pay extra to have the car parked in the very front, in view from the street than there would be no other car near you. How much, I don't know, probably another $20 is my guess, you know prime real estate.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    WOW...another good reason for mass transit in heavily populated areas. Is "the city" New York City?
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    with no parking, You are correct
  • gearhead10gearhead10 Member Posts: 84
    YGBK! So they park cars so close together the doors can't be opened and then climb out through the window, stepping on seats in the process, to exit? And then climb over the stacked row of cars to get out? So do you get footprints on your hood/trunk from this also? I thought SF was bad when I visit...
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I can't say they do this in all the parking garages, but if the word got out about this technic to use every single inch the garage can use, I am sure they are all or most are doing this. They said they clean the footprints from the hood right away, sometimes they can squeezed between the cars and then jump and use the window opening to step on before climbing in. Either way, I would have been pissed if they did this to my car. I don't spend countless hours in cleaning the car, only for some person who doesn't care about my car to step all over it.

    I guess now the question is, do we still use these garages or park on the street, either way you risk your car getting step on. At least on the street, you know they won't step on your seats unless they were going to steal it.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Parking is FREE at most NON-Disney motels in Anaheim. Do you have any malls in your area where you do not have to pay to park?
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    If you want to go anywhere in downtown NY or Boston (or Chicago, Montreal, et al) you will pay to park in a lot or a garage. Land is worth too much to waste on free parking - the garage wasn't free to build. Malls really don't exist in the city anyway - if they do they are multilevel attached to a hotel with a garage.

    I live 15 miles NW of Boston - plenty of free parking at the malls and restaurants.
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    Ok I think we are dwelling to much into the parking scenario. The area is the heart of Manhattan. Malls here are as common as forest fires in the North Pole. True there are shopping areas, and shopping discticts, but believe me, unless you take public transportation, you will end up in any of the parking garages setup near the shopping areas, the theatre district, and any other tourist traps.

    The only special that these guys run for the “EARLY BIRDS” are during the week, as long as you get in before 9 and are out by 6, it will only cost you $16 - $20. Now if you are stuck outside because there are so many cars waiting to come in, and they punch you in at 9:01, well too bad, you miss the special.

    We don’t drive to Manhattan everyday, we do take mass transit. Besides parking tolls alone would run around $8 - $13, depending if we would have to make a side trip to pickup someone on our way to Manhattan. By the way, on a good day, Manhattan is only 10 minutes from us. Anyway, the parking is not a everyday problem, only on special occasions or odd occasions when we decide to go out for dinner there.

    As for the $2k Monthly parking garage SPOT, there was an article SEVERAL years back that this was the fee that some people were paying for an area of 20 x 20. Now you can still get a parking spot much cheaper, just don’t expect it to be near where you live, if you live in Manhattan.

    And lastly, parking on the street is always an option, that’s if you can find one. Double parking, thinking of running in for a quick 2 minutes, forget about it, there is a ZERO tolerance especially in the shopping districts and touristy areas. $60 ticket on your window.

    Ok, now that is done. How about what to do with the interior? J
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Member Posts: 1,277
    like with any dirt on cloth you can try an upholstery cleaner. I really like Meguiar's APC+, but you need to buy it by the gallon. Their consumer upholstery/carpet cleaner is pretty good and might be worth a shot. For vinyl, try a vinyl cleaner. You can use a brush for both if you need a little extra punch.
  • stickking1stickking1 Member Posts: 247
    Hey guys, I was working on a hood yesterday, just trying to remove some swirl marks and fine scratches with the Porter Cable. I don't have many products on hand for that and was using Meguiar's Medallion Paint Cleaner and a compounding pad. I just didn't seem to be making any headway at all. I don't have a lot of experience with this, so I thought I'd jump on and get a few suggestions. What kind of products do you guys use, do you increase abrasiveness of the product, speed of the PC, or pressure while buffing? I just didn't seem to get any results.
      I heard some good things about Menzerna Polishes and 3M, of course...but I'm just not sure of which to go with. Any other tips you guys have about how to get those swirls and scratches out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

    -Brian
  • according2meaccording2me Member Posts: 236
    Having lurked on this site for quite a while, I occasional put some of the collective wisdom to use. I recently clayed (Clay Magic) my hood & front fenders for the first time. As others have said, this really smooths out the finish. I followed with Meguiars Cleaner Wax and Gold Class (I'm trying to use up my shelf stock before trying Klasse AIO).

    The results were quite impressive. I don't believe the front of this Accord has been this smooth and glossy since leaving the dealers lot in DEC2000.

    My other revelation, a while ago, was microfiber drying clothes. So thanks to all for sharing their experiences.

    After 40+ years using a chamois and white compound to clean paint, this old dog is still learning new tricks.
  • peachy1peachy1 Member Posts: 21
    do u guys find that 303 washes off really easily? i did not even use soap to wash my car- just sprayed it w/ water and the thing washes off just like that. kinda disappointed that it came off faster than the sap i was trying to wash off. :(
  • outlawtitanoutlawtitan Member Posts: 27
    #2931 - Meguiars Dual Action Cleaning Polish (DACP) is great for bad swirls but I would try Meguairs Swirl Remover (#9 I think) first. If you use these with a PC you should be able to remove any minor to medium swirl marks easily.

    #2933 - 303 is water based. It washes off easily but it also probably made the sap removal easier. I assume you are talking about some sort of trim? It is probably still protecting your trim but it is not very shiny and may not be visible for a very long period of time with or without rain, rinsing, or washing.
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I thought the two main purpose I was getting the 303 was because of its UV protection and that dust (interior) would easily come off. From the advice of many here, the shine on vinyl or the tires did not necessarily relate to protection.

    I only used the 303 so far on the interior dash, and as for the UV protection, well only time will tell. As far as dust not sticking to it, no problem at all when using the CCD.

    For the tires, right now I am using a "Z" product so far so good. I get the Matte clean look and not the wet glossy look. How long it stands, we shall see.
  • outlawtitanoutlawtitan Member Posts: 27
    You will not be disappointed on 303 interior protection. Although everyone knows how good it is for vinyl and dashes, 303 is vastly underrated for as wonderful protection for most leather applications as well. I use it around the house on many other things like leather shoes, golf bags, jackets, etc. I have over a gallon and will probably have them just spray some on my casket as well.
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    Awhile back you stated the MF towels are not good for drying. You need to get the large waffle weave MF towels. They work great!!! You will only need one towel to dry the entire exterior of your car.

    http://www.microfibertech.com/towels.html
  • peachy1peachy1 Member Posts: 21
    i don't know about dust not sticking to 303 since i have my bumpers done w/ 303 and the dust were ALL OVER IT. it may actually attract dust... or is it bec it's so black and shiny that dust shows up more? i know people dnt like AA here but i've actually used armour all for a long time and it has done nothing wrong to any of the cars i've applied it to so saying that i can't prove that 303 is actually doing what it's suppose to be doing when AA is suppose to be bad and it hasn't done anything. sigh....
  • peachy1peachy1 Member Posts: 21
    so this microfibres are the IN thing now huh? is it that amazing? is it very absorbent?
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    Your reason for using or Not using AA was my exact dilemma. I too used AA for the interior and the tires on our 93 Integra. The first 5 years or so was strictly done with AA, then the last 5 years, the car has taken a beating without any normal detailing at all. And like you, the Integra is fine.
    I still have a huge bottle of AA, not sure what I will use it for now because I do like the matte looks better from the 303. How the 303 protects I guess on my end, only time will tell.

    Does anyone here have personal knowledge that AA was the cause of the vinyl dashboard problems and or their tires?

    The other thing I like about 303 is that it isn't as slick as AA. People use to get hurt when I applied AA to the wrong areas and they were constantly slipping.
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    I am just getting use to the normal MF towels. I am going to test out the ones from BJ's next.

    As for waffle types I might hold off on that for now at least.

    I do like the way it takes off the "Z" products.
  • outlawtitanoutlawtitan Member Posts: 27
    The waffle weave towels are the best detailing tool ever. NOTHING will come close to the drying capability of a good waffle weave towel. They make the absorber, chamois, terry towel obsolete IMHO. I use a large one to dry the car and a small one for touch up behind the big one. You will not be disappointed.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    OUTLAWTITAN's post was dead on, IMO. Since going to waffle weave I haven't touched my Absorber, I threw out my chamois, and I've relegated my terry towels to dirty duty. I use a water blade to remove most of the water and follow up with a waffle weave. Works incredibly well.
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    When I said I only needed one waffle weave towel to dry my car, I had forgotten that I do use the California Water Blade. It may take more than one waffle weave towel if you don't use the blade, but it does not take more than two.

    By the way, I have seen the CWB sold at Wal-Mart.
  • outlawtitanoutlawtitan Member Posts: 27
    I also use a CWB most of the time.
  • coolscenecoolscene Member Posts: 4
    Hello

    I replaced a fender in 1996 RAV4 (Sequoia Green). I primed the fender and applied the paint (which I bought for a custom paint house). The custom paint house matched the color chip using OEM paint code. When I paint the color matches alright.

    But the metallic shineI have in rest of the car and this replaced fender is way off. I have looked this up in various light conditions. I have applied also two clear coats and still does not solve it.

    Help please

    /ram
  • peachy1peachy1 Member Posts: 21
    dude. a fender is kinda big to be painting yourself. a body shop would use a different type of paint PLUS matching a colour by just the code is never that easy. a friend of mine who works in a body shop told me that just for one colour code there could a several ways of mixing it to get different shades so an experience paint mixer is really useful. second i don't know what type of sprayer or even paint quality you have used but from what i know (myb very limited) the shop uses a paint mix that hardens very quickly... almost like an epoxy base paint. once u mix this paint (2 part myb) you have to use it all in a certain time period (say a few hours) and then it's junk. that may be it... heck the quality of your sprayer may also be a factor. i really hope your "premixed" paint is not aerosole can coz then that would be the answer you're not getting the same metallic shine. hope that answers some.... if not confused u a bit. :)
  • twinrottstwinrotts Member Posts: 161
    Hey gang, I have been pointed here by my host on the Chevy Trailblazer pages.
    I was asking my buds there about their favorite detailing prods.
    Can you believe no one responded????
    Can someone tell me what this 303 product is?? Who makes it.
    What do you guys use to clean the textured hard vinyl surfaces found around door sills or integrated into bumpers???
    Also what works best for removing bug splatter.
    I need something safe for clear coat as well as my 3M EXPel covered pieces.
    BTW: I regularly care for a gorgeous Jet Black Passat, and a Pewter Trailblazer EXT.
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    Rather than answering your question directly, I'll provide you a process to find the best answer:

    1) Do a search of this thread on "303"
    2) Look at Bretfraz's posts on the topic first.
    3) Next, look at other frequent posters' responses.

    The posters on this thread and the Zaino thread are detailing fanatics! They really know what they are talking about. Do a search and you will find out more info faster than if you wait for someone to respond again to your questions.
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    303 info - www.303products.com
    found via internet or most marine and boating store.

    Bret is the guru here with a garage full of products from A to Z.

    Atoews is right, all of your topic has recently been covered so you should have no problems finding your answer.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I came across it at a True Value hardware store auto section over the weekend in small (12 oz??) spray bottles for about $7. I didn't buy any because I was supposed to be getting plumbing parts.
  • canccanc Member Posts: 715
    Has anyone seen the new Eagle One spray-on wax? It's a spray-based wax that you apply when you've washed your car and it's still wet. You then apply the wax and wait until the car dries. According to the picture on the bottle, the wax hazes when it dries, and then it looks like a simple matter of toweling off the residue. Sounds great, but I'm already weary of the wax overspray in the windows. Has this been on the market for long? What do you all think?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    I haven't used it but know a few people that have. It seems to be a good product to use between major wax jobs. I wouldn't use it in place of typical car wax but kind of as a booster shot. I have not heard of any issues with the product getting on glass, just wipe it off. It's been on the market for about a year.

    Also for those looking for that wax "booster shot" check out Meguiar's Quik Wax. Its been reformulated and is much better than before. Supposed to leave a nice, slick finish and add a little "pop" to the paint. Its another product not designed to replace normal waxing but to add some protection between wax jobs. Unlike the Eagle One product you apply Quik Wax like a detail spray, onto dry, clean paint. Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to do a normal sized car and maybe 25 minutes to do a minivan or SUV.
  • slickracerslickracer Member Posts: 38
    Is the quik wax in a red of tan bottle? I like the #34 personally or Eagle one in the black bottle.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    #34 is Final Inspection from their Mirror Glaze line. Not the same stuff as Quik Wax as #34 really doesn't offer a lot of protection. #34 and Eagle One Wet Wipe & Shine are the same type of products but both are different than Quik Wax or Wax As U Dry.
  • 2k_impala_ls2k_impala_ls Member Posts: 311
    I have been using Collinite products for 20 years. They are a small company located in Utica, NY and have been making marine and auto products since 1912. Visit their site http://www.collinite.com/index.htm
    I recommend the paste fleetwax. see this test on the fleetwax http://www.greatcove.org/read_boat_wax_chart.htm
    It goes on easy and comes off with now white residue or hard rubbing. They best thing about this wax is its durability. I live in the northeast and it lasts all winter. I wax mine in the spring and again in the fall.
    I have friends that used griots, zaino, meguires, you name it.
    They all use Collinite now.
  • terceltom1terceltom1 Member Posts: 150
    I went to the Collinite website. Fleetwax is for boats or marine vessels. Do you recommend this for use on autos over all of their auto waxes they produce?
  • alwaysfordsalwaysfords Member Posts: 210
    Collinite is a good brand - they have two products for cars. The high end 915 Marque is around $25, the 476S Double Coat is around $16. I just started using the 476 on my vehicles and it is really good - very durable. My choice of 476 wasn't based on cost though - the rep I spoke with said may detailers prefer the 476 for it long lasting properties. It claims to be "detergent proof" so it won't wash away on you. I have also used the fleetwax on boats, wave runners and cars. The fleetwax works on cars but is much better on boats and such. Try the 476 for cars.
  • outlawtitanoutlawtitan Member Posts: 27
    The rep told me the same thing but I got the #915 anyway. This really is a durable wax but I am using sealants now and have a tub of the #915 that I have only used 3 times that I will sell to anyone that wants to try it for $15 + shipping.
  • lapvnlapvn Member Posts: 455
    Do you use Quick Wax like Z6, spray or spritz sparingly or do you spray it on like Windex or 409?

    And also is this easily available at Pep Boys or local auto shops?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    No, I don't use Quik Wax but I do have a couple spray wax products I use on things other than my car.

    Z6 use is a bit unusual in that very little is used. Most QD's and spray waxes need a good squirt on the panel to work properly. Just a nice even mist will do the trick.

    I'm seeing Meguiar's Quik Wax everywhere I go.
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