A Mechanic's Life - Tales From Under the Hood

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,143
    I may just keep my '16 TTS for a very very long time. I think the Audi indy shop I frequent has a 25 year rule. They are not interested in older cars from the last Century. I think it's just a profit based rule. Not enough money in the old cars (of course you could "charge more" for working on ancient vehicles).
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Member Posts: 5,860
    From a Facebook post. This sums it up pretty nicely.
    Multiple people have reached out asking what I think about the recent comments from Ford’s CEO Jim Farley. I enjoy it when people ask for my opinion on things like this- so let's get into it.
    Farley went public and said he has 5,000 open mechanic jobs that pay about $120,000 a year and he still can’t fill them...... WHY?
    “We are in trouble in our country.”
    He’s right about the trouble.
    The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there will be about 70,000 openings for automotive service technicians and mechanics every year for the next decade. That is staggering.
    Ever wonder why it takes days, weeks, or even months to get your vehicle looked at? I covered my own four-month wait on my truck’s transmission in this blog:
    Dealership woes: Why customers are fed up with “No problem found” https://abrhouston.com/dealership-woes-why-customers-are.../
    TechForce Foundation estimates the U.S. will need hundreds of thousands of new entry-level transportation techs over just a few years, with automotive being the largest slice of that pie. The automotive world has a huge opportunity sitting wide open for young adults who want to make real money without walking into life with six-figure student loan debt.
    I recently spoke at The Woodlands College Park High School about what my career path looked like and what life in this trade is really like. The students were sharp, curious, and interested. There are young people who want this work. The system they’re walking into is the problem.
    So yes, we’re short on techs. Badly.
    But that “$120,000 mechanic job” is not what the public thinks it is.
    Flat Rate: The Part Mr. Farley Skips
    Most dealership technicians are not on salary. They’re not on safe hourly pay either.
    They’re on flat rate—which is basically 100% commission, with no overtime and no safety net.
    Flat rate means:
    You’re paid by the book time, not the clock.
    If a job pays 5.0 hours at your agreed rate, you get 5.0 hours.
    If that 5.0-hour job takes you 10 hours, you still get paid 5.0.
    If:
    The part is wrong
    You’ve never done that job before
    You don’t have the proper tools
    The special tool is broken or missing
    The car is rusty and everything fights you
    The foreman or dispatcher sits on your ticket for half the day
    …you eat that time. The book/dealer/world does not care.
    On paper, at a high enough flat-rate number, you can “make” $120,000.
    In real life, a tech’s income depends on:
    How much work the dispatcher actually gives them
    How busy the shop is that week or that month
    How the manufacturer writes warranty times
    How often parts delays or missing/broken tools slow things down
    How many broken, half-fixed cars they inherit from the last hack who touched it
    That’s before paying for tools, ongoing training, and dealing with the politics in the building.
    The Training Pipeline Problem
    Farley is right about one thing: this isn’t a six-month trade.
    He talks about five-year learning curves. I agree with the timeline, with a twist.
    In my world:
    Five years in the automotive trade, with the right attitude and effort, will get you to where you can do about 80% of everything well and without drama.
    The last 20% of the job—the weird, ugly, one-off problems—takes the rest of your career.
    In the beginning, you will have problem cars weekly. It’s not the car’s fault. It’s you. You’re new.
    As you get better at your craft:
    Those “it just won’t go away” cars get less frequent
    You start seeing one or two of those gnarly cases a quarter, maybe every six months
    That assumes you’re seeing 20–30 cars a week and actually paying attention
    Meanwhile, the cars themselves are getting more complex.
    Modern vehicles are rolling computer networks:
    20–60 control modules talking over multiple, intertwined networks
    Hybrids and EV systems layered on top of existing gasoline platforms
    Driver-assist, cameras, radar, lidar, crash avoidance, thermal imaging
    Encrypted software, secure gateways, MAC addresses, Ethernet, and firewalls
    Manufacturers who digitally lock you out of simple functions, including resetting an oil service light, unless you jump through their hoops
    Trade schools and community colleges are trying to keep up. Many are still behind.
    High schools are even worse off. I’ve been on Klein ISD’s automotive advisory board for almost 10 years. I’ve pushed for updates. The curriculum hardly moves. Students are still not coming out ready to walk into a real independent shop or dealership and be productive.
    So we end up with:
    Not enough techs
    “Trained” techs who really aren’t ready
    Cars that are harder and slower to diagnose
    An industry paying like it’s 1998 and acting shocked nobody lines up to do it
    It’s Not “Nobody Wants To Work”
    The lazy excuse is:
    “Young people don’t want to work with their hands.”
    That’s nonsense.
    Plenty of people are willing to work. What they’re not willing to do is:
    Take $40,000 a year for a job that destroys their back, eats nights and weekends, and sends them home filthy
    Finance $30,000–$50,000 in tools out of their own pocket just to be employable
    Lose pay every time a service writer over-promises or a warranty administrator decides to get picky
    Sit in a bay for years with no clear path past “just another tech”
    If you want people to chase that $120k number, you can’t bury the fine print.
    You fix the pay structure. You fix the training. You fix the culture. You stop wasting good techs with bad leadership and broken systems.
    I’ve got more to say about this, and I’ll be expanding on specific parts of this topic over the next few blogs.
    If you think I’m off base—or you’ve lived through something similar at a dealership or shop—say so.
    ABR Houston – European Auto Repair
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 14,143
    Has anybody done a graph on where the $239 per hour Audi Escondido charges goes besides the owner's profit pockets? And that's the lowest cost Audi dealer in the SoCal region by the way. They also have one of the best reputations as a dealership service department as compared to other Audi dealerships.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • thecardoc3thecardoc3 Member Posts: 5,860
    edited November 25
    Typically, "fixed operations" that is parts and service pay all of the employee expenses for the entire business including the property and building. That leaves the sales department to run as a pure gross profit entity of the business. The technicians likely see roughly 20% of the labor they generate.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,935
    So much agreed! I recently finished replacing the turbocharger on my CNRB TDI, and I wanted to just toss the vehicle in the junkyard mid-way through the project. I was following the factory repair manual on this one, and it was nearly impossible to complete. I literally spent ~ six hours just to remove a SINGLE BOLT. Granted, it was "the bolt" (now forever known as "the impossible bolt"), but dang. I spent well over twenty hours doing the work from start to finish, and it took me a solid two weeks of time due to the degree of difficulty involved in accessing that bolt. Sometimes I would have to just call it quits after thirty minutes of contorting my body in unnatural angles trying to get at it because I was simply exhausted and couldn't maintain accuracy/stability any longer.

    IIRC, the book time for that replacement is ~3 hours. Yeah, right! I had to invent tools for the job!

    I get the idea of incentivizing good/fast work through a reward system, but you have to make sure that it is a reward system and not a penalty system. As @thecardoc3 has mentioned many times, the most valuable techs are often the ones most screwed by the clock because they get handed the most difficult jobs.

    No, techs need solid base pay with a + system. They need to be able to go to work and not be expected to buy their own supplies. But, I fear that manufacturers have already written off the trade. With every new model of vehicle, it becomes more difficult to diagnose and work on than the last, to the point that they will soon be no different than any other appliance considered disposable today.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
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