Zaino Car Care Experiences

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  • bh0001bh0001 Member Posts: 340
    I have both a full bra and a lexan hood guard for my 2001 Impala LS. I leave the hood guard on most of the time (but I have to take it off to clean properly underneath it).

    If I plan a longer drive or a drive at night take off the hood guard and put on the bra for extra protection. I will NEVER leave the bra on for more than a couple of days without taking it off and cleaning underneath. With this approach I can't imagine there will be any negative impact to the Zaino finish.

    I know this is a pretty anal approach, but I don't care - my car looks great .
    Brad
  • 98monte_ls98monte_ls Member Posts: 117
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    Ok, this time it works I think! Here you can see my beautiful Monterey Maroon Camaro after Zaino...that was a month ago and it still looks this good!

    God bless You, Sal!
  • emaisonemaison Member Posts: 60
    steve266: Thanks for the advice. I use (what I think are) pretty good towels, the Royal Velvet. I will checkout the wash mitts at wal-mart.

    Joebob: To clarify my streaking, it doesn't look like water. Its "multi-colored" like windex would be when you clean a window. The streaking is only there for maybe a second and then it dissappears. After I Z6, the car looks perfect.

    I use 'ALL' as my detergent, wash my towels separately, and usually run the extra rinse. I don't use fabric softeners at all. I do have another theory though, I store all my Z products in a Rubbermaid container. All Z, applicators, and towels are in there. It is in my garage. It gets hots sometimes and I am wondering if the humidity gets trapped in there and affecting my towels.

    What do you use to wash your car with? Towel? Sponge? something else?

    Thanks
  • homer2000sseihomer2000ssei Member Posts: 159
    I use a sheepskin wash mitt. That is the softest thing I have ever touched - almost :)

    Lots of loft to the hair - - super soft so it is very simple to tell if something is trapped in it.
    It also holds a great deal of water.
  • daverosedaverose Member Posts: 233
    I wash using a hand size "recommended" towel wrapped around a sponge.
  • squidd99squidd99 Member Posts: 288
    I use a hand towel to wash the car, a Calif. blade to flick off surface water, then a bath towel to dry.

    Then I run the towels (100% USA cotton, etc) through the washer/dryer and they are ready for something else (z2, z6, etc.)

    I think that I will pick up one or two 100% etc washrags to use on the wheels and bottom sections of the car, since that is where all the dirt is collected. Then none of that grit will ever get into the hand or bath towels, which should make them last longer.

    I will also probably try the wash rag as an applicator for the z2.
  • fivespeedfivespeed Member Posts: 42
    Man, I didn't know Impalas looked that good! That does it, I'm gonna order some for my Wrangler! Did you clay the Impala before Z'ing?

    five'er
  • bh0001bh0001 Member Posts: 340
    Thanks five'er. I'm really happy with the Impala. It looks even more aggressive when I put the bra on it.

    Yes, I did clay it, even though it was a brand new car. In fact, I didn't even let the dealer touch it before I took delivery. I got to remove all the plastic shipping stuff and everything!

    I strongly recommend following the entire Z process, including claying. You won't be disappointed!
    Brad
  • daverosedaverose Member Posts: 233
    Before you use a wash cloth, be VERY careful that the loops/nap AND the backing are 100% cotton. If there is any component of the wash cloth, hand towel, bath towel set that is likely to have a blend fabric, it is the wash cloth. It undergoes the greatest stress because folks tend to rub harder with them when washing and the manufacturer is more likely to want this part of a set to stand up more than the other parts.
  • joebob6joebob6 Member Posts: 239
    I use 100% Cotton hand size towel...much larger than the wash rag size...or a cotton chenille covered sponge.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    BRA - They really help - but only if you are careful. Do NOT leave them on in the rain. Do NOT leave them on if it has been dusty or sandy. Water and grit will get underneath and damage the paint. I put mine on right after washing, and use it only for longer trips. Of course, then a stone hit my mirror, but that's life!


    Z on White - A lot of people have asked about the results of Z on white paint. I think that this photo (if it works) can show the difference between the glow on a white car, and the mirror shine on a dark one:


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    If there's no picture, go to: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1016688&a=9788935&p=51275969

  • hud116222hud116222 Member Posts: 46
    Great pics! How did you guys post a pic on this message board?
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    Over time, I presume that the paint contamination that claying removes will recur, which means more claying is required. Is it correct that claying will not negatively affect the Z? How often do those of you who are long-time-Z-users clay?
  • wilcoxwilcox Member Posts: 582
    Do not rub a clay bar on mirrors.
  • squidd99squidd99 Member Posts: 288
    I have the same question as the post above (by darbh) regarding clay. I did not clay my new Lexus because it was new, and I had not used Zaino (or clay) before.

    Now that I have had Z on for a while, and know more now than I did then, I feel little points of "grit?" in the paint, although I cannot see them.

    I feel the need for clay.

    I think I read in Sal's comments on his own page that clay does not remove the Z finish. I will have to go over there to check.

    Thanks for the warning about mirrors, although I don't think I would have tried that.

    Two questions: what to do after claying?

    First, do I wash with Dawn or with z7? (I know Dawn will not take off the z, but do I need to use it? Will a good wash with z7 be enough to remove the clay residue?)

    Second, do I then use z1, or do I just add coats of z2 and z5 as before? It has only been about two months since the base coat of z1.

    Thanks for your help.

    I will hang up now and listen to your response.
  • homer2000sseihomer2000ssei Member Posts: 159
    No need to dawn wash off all your already applied Z. After claying - -a regular Z wash will remove any residue (especially since the lube you will use for the clay bar is a combo water and Z7).

    The need for Z1 after clay and then onto more coats is up to you - but unless you live in harsh conditions - or have the spare time and or desire, it wont likely be needed for another couple of months. I think it is also dependant on the number of coats of either Z2/5 you have. My memory says that about evry 10 coats its a good idea to slap on more Z1. I have about 30 Z2/5's this year, and have put on 3 Z1 so far. I have also clayed just once this year- but will certainly do it again before the fall weather makes it a chore.
    I do spot clay - -damned bugs - -and since it wont remove Z, I dont worry about that specific spot.

    Now the worst part - -Im likely going to use the 3M swirl remover soon - and that will remove ALL Zaino from the car. man, all that work - gone because I didnt want to do it in the spring (i still cant explain why)

    Thanks for your call :)
  • bh0001bh0001 Member Posts: 340
    I'd love to hear about your experience with the swirl remover once you do it. Z5 hides the majority of the swirls on my car, but I'm starting to think I might want to cure the problem, not just mask it. However, I first need to determine once and for all where the swirls are coming from.

    Maybe by the time you use the swirl remover Sal will have released the new stuff so you won't have to wait 24 hrs between coats. To me that's a good enough reason to wait ;-)
    Brad
  • squidd99squidd99 Member Posts: 288
    And, of course, you are correct.

    I emailed Sal with some of these questions, and he indicated a z7 wash is OK, and also indicated that a "simple claying" will not remove the Zaino, because it is so durable; therefore there is no need to z1 again.

    He did caution, however, that "Repeated Claying of the paint surface will eventually remove Zaino." But I can't imagine using clay more frequently than once a year, and I would add a layer of z1/z2 at least that often.

    So we now know that, unlike wax, Z1 is stronger than clay.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Silly question for you folks:
    How do you clean the washing mitt when you are done? Just rinse off, or run it through the washer?
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    Thanks for the info on claying, all.

    Homer, I had many, many fine swirls on my new Lexus LS 430 (I think that a couple "detailing" by the dealer and a few trips through a car wash by a salesman was enough to do the damage).

    I did three coats of Z5. Little effect. The dealer agreed to buff it out. But, before doing that, I did two more coats of Z5 (I was very apprehensive about allowing anyone to touch the paint, Sal told me he never would allow a dealer to buff it out, and he recommended 3M Swirl Remover, applied by hand with light pressure, if the Z5 did not do the job).

    The two additional coats of Z5 have dramatically reduced the swirls. I can still see them, but they are much finer and "shorter." At this point, the truth is, no one notices them but me and I can only see them when looking at the correct angle, with the sun in front of me, bouncing at the correct angle off the paint. I think it would be obsessive/compulsive for me to have the paint buffed out, at this point, since no one else will ever notice the swirls. I am going to do one or two more coats of Z5 and I suspect that will do the trick.
  • daverosedaverose Member Posts: 233
    You wrote: "No need to dawn wash off all your already applied Z." Where did you get the idea that Dawn removes Zaino?

    Also, how does 3M Swirl Remover remove Zaino?

    When you're going to clay, I strongly recommend that you avoid having Dawn residue on your vehicle. I've found that it makes the clay separate, become bumpy, and hard to handle; the clay eventually lost those poor characteristics, but it was no fun while it still had them.
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    "Also, how does 3M Swirl Remover remove Zaino?"

    3M Swirl remover is an abrasive, that's hope swirl removers work. If it can "cut" paint, what makes you think it can't remove Zaino?
  • mbdrivermbdriver Member Posts: 426
    One of the best ways of removing water after a Z-7 wash and final rinse with hose nozzle off is to use the California Water Blade, made by the same folks who make the California Duster. The "blade" is very soft silicone and is very flexible. While it won't remove every drop of water off the car's finish, it will leave just enough so that one white, 100% cotton, made in USA towel will do the trick. I usually then use the damp towel to wipe off the windows inside and out (if they aren't too dirty).

    I also will occasionally use a leaf blower to remove excess water. But I've never had a problem with water spots on the brilliant silver paint job (it has multiple coats of Z-2), even when it's raining. I pull into the garage with the car absolutely wet, and the next morning the finish is usually completely dry. Almost like a free wash job!
  • BushwackBushwack Member Posts: 258
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    Reading the previous few posts have confused me regarding applying multiple coats of Z2.

    I thought Z1 & Z2 must always be applied together (one after the other) . MBDRIVER's (and previous posts) imply that after the initial first coat of Z1, Z2/Z5, etc., one only needs to apply multiple coats of Z2 (or Z5) to acheive the desired shine (and ignore using Z1 for a while).

    Simply stated, does that mean I can apply multiple (8 - 10) coats of Z2 (and then Z6) before applying the next coat of Z1?

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  • squidd99squidd99 Member Posts: 288
    Z1 only goes on in two instances.

    1. When you wash off the old wax and start with Zaino on the bare paint. Then you do z2 or z5 right on top of it, let that double coat dry, then wipe them off together. After that, you can do coats of z2 or z5 by themselves.

    2. When you get about 10 coats of z2 and/or z5 built up, or at the 6 month (if you park outside) or 12 month (if you garage the car) mark, you apply a coat of z1 with z2 as before, only this time you are putting it on top of the multiple coats of z, not on the bare paint.

    I'm not sure why you need the z1 again, but that seems to be the story. I guess time and trouble take their toll.

    It is also my understanding, and I'm no expert, that you never really have to strip off the old z and go back to the paint to start up again. It's something about the polymer thing.

    Anyway, the message is that it seems you have been using way too much z1. You should only need to use z1 once or twice a year. you have not done your car any harm, but you can start ordering less of the z1 from here on out.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Z1 is only need as a based coat or "binder" once or twice a year to help the Z stick to the paint. You can put on as many layers of Z2 as you want, with a Z6 spritz after the Z2 to seal or smooth it. Ask Fastdriver - he probably has about 50 layers on his shiny Red Acura by now! I think the car has grown by 1/2".

    The swirl removers must remove the polish first before it can get to the paint, so YES - it will remove Z and anything else on the paint as well.
  • 98monte_ls98monte_ls Member Posts: 117
    Good question. I was going to ask it myself.

    I did the clay before the Z1 & Z2, and the paint was baby-smooth. but now, i notice a little roughness on the top surface of the rear bumper. So I think I should clay just that part again, right?
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    I just asked Sal, via email, about claying. He confirmed that light claying is OK, but repeated, heavy claying will eventually remove the Z.

    I asked Sal if it was OK to Dawn wash every once in a while, to remove road film, bug residue film, etc. Sal said 1. it was unnecessary and 2. the Dawn would leave a detergent film. He said just to use the Z7.

    I also asked about removing swirls. He gave me the rundown on using 3M swirl remover. And, yes, after you use it you have to do the whole routine (Dawn, clay, Z7, Z1, Z2/5) etc. It stands to reason. As an earlier poster said, the 3M MUST be penetrating the Z, to get down to the swirls.
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    As promised, here is an update. I postponed taking up my dealer's offer to buff out my paint, figuring I would try another Z5 attack. Using thin layers, I now have three coats of Z5, followed by two of Z2, and then two more coats of Z5. I think the two Z2 coats actually made the swirls show more, just because the car was so much shinier.

    The subsequent two coats of Z5 have greatly reduced the swirls. I anticipate another couple coats of Z5 will be all that is needed, then a couple coats of Z2. (Z6 in between and as a detailer, of course).

    I would recommend to anyone with swirl problems that you give it a really good try with many coats of Z5 before you resort to any abrasive. Sometimes it is necessary, but it is a last resort.
  • BushwackBushwack Member Posts: 258
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    Thanks for the clarification of when to use Z1 & Z2.

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  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    automophile-

    HEY! You're going to put me in the Car Fanatic topic area! I don't have 50 coats of Zaino- YET! I only have 10 coats of Z2/Z5/Z6 since 3/28/01! ;-)) Does that red Acura shine! Have some pics to post from the 4th when I was in Keene, NH. No time- between wakes, funerals and weddings, I'm running ragged! Also way behind on e-mail too as I'm sure you know!

    fastdriver
  • scottc8scottc8 Member Posts: 617
    Two weeks ago my car got the whole treatment, and I couldn't be happier with the results. The ease of care might be even better than the shine. I drive 90 miles every day, so the car gets very dusty and bug-spattered. Used to hose off the worst every day and wash it thoroughly at least twice a week. Now I just spray the bugged areas with a dilution of Z7 and start rinsing the car from the top down, saving the bugs for last. EVERYTHING comes clean without high water pressure. Once a week thorough washing and another coat of Z2 every couple weeks and this car is going to look like a million indefinitely.

    OK, enough raving, I came to ask a question: Before I Z'ed the car I touched up a few gravel nicks. Now I see a few more that I missed and would like to fix them. I plan to clean the area around each nick with alcohol (is denatured OK?), do the touch-up, smooth it out, etc., then Z1 those spots. Then Z2 the spots, then a coat or two over the whole car. The car has three coats each of Z5 and Z2. Can I be sure the alcohol will cut through all this? Since the touch up paint will need a little light sanding and rubbing compound, would it be better to sand a little first to be sure the Z is all gone? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    I asked Sal about removing Z that had "wax-stained" some exterior plastic (even though the bottle says to use it on exterior plastics). Iso-Alcohol will work, here's am excerpt from his email:

    "To remove any residue on plastic parts. Use some
    lighter fluid or isopropyl alcohol on a soft rag or with a tooth brush. Rub lightly on the spot to be cleaned. Repeat if neccessary. Then rinse the
    area with water. The lighter fluid will not hurt the plastic. Do not use gasoline. It will soften and damage the plastic. It must be lighter fluid or you can try isopropyl alcohol..."

    Good luck.
  • sddlwsddlw Member Posts: 361
    I have brought a couple of older cars back to their former glory. My latest project was a 1984 380SL for my wife. If your paint is oxidized, faded, or has surface scratches that Z5 will not hide, polishing is a good way to bring back the paint. As long as the paint isn't so far gone that nothing short of repainting is needed. There are many products, and many levels of abrasive. In order of least abrasive to most abrasive, I like: Meguiar's Show Car Glaze, Swirl Remover, and 3M's fine cut rubbing compound with very good results. I usually start with the least abrasive and work towards the more abrasive to remove the defect, then work back to the finest grit to polish. In really bad cases, I've used more abrasive rubbing coumpounds and even 2000 grit sandpaper. Then back to the less abrasive stuff to polish out the surface scratches the more abrasive products leave behind. A good quality orbital buffer with the appropriate pad for compounding or polishing is a must. (Leave the rotory buffers to the experts.) Look for one that is well balanced, that will not "bounce" around on you when it is on. This kind of project is not a "new" car project. This is for restoring older paint. If you've never done this sort of thing, you'll be amazed at what this will do to the look and finish of an older car. And it beats a new paint job hands down for cost and for originality. You can find paint shops and auto detailers that will do this for you too. But get references from any auto detailers .... these days anyone with a dirty rag and tin of wax will call themselves a detailer.
  • armtdmarmtdm Member Posts: 2,057
    Been using Z for 3-4 months. Used it as directed and also over a previously Carnuba waxed car. Both versions doing exceptionally well, no doubt the durability claim is valid and the shine is restored quickly with the spray. Extremely easy to remove road grime and bugs as well.

    On the carnuba car the Z seems to smear when touched by a finger or hand but this wipes right off to a shine again. Not sure if the car polished using instructions has this issue. However, both versions of application work great IMHO. Slowly becoming a convert, especially as it is easier to put on and remove then carnuba especially in sunlight.
  • joe166joe166 Member Posts: 401
    My wife's Lexus GS300 was in the Lexus shop recently and was there so long waiting for a part that they detailled it for her (without asking) as a thank you for her faith in them. As a result, there is now some sort of store bought wax on her car. I intend to use Dawn to remove the wax from half of the hood in an effort to see if the failure to remove the offending non-z wax has any effect on the shine or durability of the shine. I will probably not do it for another week or so (it still looks pretty nice), but then I will try to keep up with the differences if any and post my purely subjective opinions here. Any suggestions on how to keep this as fair as possible?
  • squidd99squidd99 Member Posts: 288
    JOE:

    I think you should mention to the dealer that his kindness will cost you hours of work. He should not wash or especially wax a car without notice to the owner.

    Let this be a warning to owners of high end cars where this might happen: always tell the service manager when you check in "Don't wash." I used to let the Lexus dealer wash my old SC400, but I have a SC430 now, black, with 5 coats of z2, and I hope to keep it out of the automatic car washes. Even the "soft touch" no brush automatic washers like my dealer has.

    When I brought it out for the 1,000 check up (which is not much more than that), I said not to wash it, but I was waiting for it, the sun was shining, and the car was spotless, so it was not going to get washed anyway. However, I know that they have a policy of washing all cars, so for more serious service stops, especially in the winter when the car might be dirty, so I plan to be very clear that I don't want it washed, thank you very much.

    Sorry to hear about your wax job, but I think the dealer and the boys in the shop, especially a good shop, should know that some cars out there, especially good cars with good paint, have finishes on them that DON'T NEED WAX!!!

    I guess I got off on a rant there; sorry.
  • joe166joe166 Member Posts: 401
    Yeah, I usually tell them, but this time it was in so long that I MAY have told them when it went in, but I couldn't really blame them for forgetting. Besides, they really went all out for us. They replaced all four Bridgestone tires (after 25,000 miles) for "premature" wear. No charge. It is worth a few hours labor to me to just keep my mouth shut. They are a great dealer and I am sure they thought they were doing me a favor. It isn't like it can't be fixed and it does give me the chance to see how much difference it might make to skip the stripping. I guess (and it is just a guess) that on the white paint it might make too little difference to notice. I will let you know.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    I would get an attorney whom specializes in Zanio Tort Law. If he is good, in a couple of months, you will own that Lexus dealership! Unbelievable, what kind of moron dealership would presume a customer would desire a free wax and detail? Squidd99 is right, scream bloody murder. New tires, think of all the coats of Zanio tire dressing on the old tires? It will take weeks to get that"Z wet look" on the new tires! Yikes, talk about an inconsiderate car dealership!

    -Larry
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    I make sure that the service advisor writes "Do Not Wash" in three inch letters on the work order AND he then writes the same bold instruction on a sheet of paper and puts it face up on the dash! What is great is that he knows what Z is (Beverly Hills Lexus), so does not think I am crazy -- or at least he does not say so.
  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    I was on an auto detailing site last week where the hot topic was multiple coats of a polymer, followed by WAXING. I admit, I did not get it. I suspect that the guys there have had a lot of prior experience (and good feelings) about waxing their cars, so find it hard to give up. It also gives one something else to do to the car!

    In any event, I am interested in seeing the result of the experiment. Maybe you should modify the experiment in this way. As the wax is on the car, anyway, maybe you should try to emulate the above approach -- keep on waxing one half the hood (I presume Z is underneath) -- and you can see how it works. This would duplicate the approach of the detailing site, where they apply wax over multiple polymer coats. Just an idea.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    showdere-

    Great movie. Since I can't post in the Lexus group without signing up, please tell Lexus GS 400 that his car looks GREAT and if he wants to see it on Red, he can come here and click on my name.

    fastdriver
  • BushwackBushwack Member Posts: 258
    Fastdriver has inspired me that, no matter how poorly a photographer I am, I'll attempt to post some pictures of my car. Two coats of Z1, three coats of Z2 & Z6. The car is a new Buick Regal GS - color is galaxy silver metallic. The pictures may not do justice to how good the car looks using Zaino.


    I hope I've added this link correctly. If not, my apologies to all and go for the ol' copy and paste.


    <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1750090&a=13480151&p=51638327>

  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I had to register my wifes 98 Taurus that I Z'd a couple of weeks ago. The State Trooper that was doing the inspection commented on how nice the car looked...and that's with only one coat of Z5. It's also rained the past couple of mornings here...I luv watching that water bead!
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    Bushwack-

    Thanks. GREAT pics!! Who said that Zaino doesn't shine as nice on silver cars? I want to see MORE! You're a great photographer! Remember, taking pics at around sunset will show up better then pics taken in direct sunlight. I have some pics to post of my car from the 4th of July in NH. Not sure how they even came out because I have not had time to look at them yet! They were taken in direct sun because the "beach" area where I took them was empty then. We'll see. I love to show off that Zaino shine! It's incredible. I just wish Sal would hurry up and get this new stuff on the market so that I can do the multiple coat thing in one day to make the car even shinier!

    fastdriver
  • daverosedaverose Member Posts: 233
    Bushwack,

    Over what period of time did you apply the two coats of Z1? Normally, depending on circumstances, it only needs to be done every 6 months to a year, or, if you're an enthusiastic polisher, every 10th coat of polish. I think of Z1 as the chemical net applied to the paint and that the polish clings to that net; the elements wear that net and polish down, the more exposure, the more wear which needs to be renewed; repeated coats of polish applied over short periods of time "saturate" that net and it needs to be renewed. Did you feel you were supposed to apply it, or did you just want to?
  • BushwackBushwack Member Posts: 258
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    Fastdriver: I'll throw a few more pictures up (sometime this weekend). Footnote: Anyone recognize the building in the far right in picture 3? Hint: Los Angeles and a $200 million+ movie :)

    Daverose: I applied Z1/Z2/Z6 (twice) back in January - a few days after buying the car; which sat in the hot L.A. sun for 3 months. For the following 6 months I'd wipe down the car w/ a clean cotton towel and then apply Z6. I wash the car every 7-14 days using a typical neighborhood brushless car wash (I see no scratches or swirls). Over the last 3 weeks, I applied 2 coats of Z1/Z2/Z6. After the last round, I've applied an additional coat of Z2 after washing the car (15 minutes to apply, 15 minutes to take off). I had thought the Z1/Z2 go hand-in-hand, which is why I didn't Z my car for six months (other then Z6). Over the course of the next three car washes, I plan on applying Z2 afterwards now that I understand its simplicity.

    FWIW, what works for me in keeping the shine is wiping the car down every other day (or daily) with a cotton towel. Then apply Z6. *I* think Z6 is the 'sleeper' in regards to how it maintains the cars shine. I am not as passionate of the appearance of my car as many Zaino-heads are (no disrespect meant). But using Zaino is just too damn easy for me to neglect the car's appearance and the results are great.

    Here in L.A., I have received many compliments on my car's shine while waiting for the next car chase to pass :) To get that kind of feedback in a town "always on the go", I'm inspired to keep the car clean. A wipe down and Z6 takes just 5 minutes to do while my car warmes up in the morning.
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  • BushwackBushwack Member Posts: 258
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    As was just explained to me somewhere in the previous 15 posts, Z2 can be applied on average 10 times (waiting 24 hrs between applications) between coats of Z1. I think additional Z1 coats would just be a waste (better word might be unneccessary) unless spread apart every 10 Z2 coats or every 6 months. Of course, climate is an issue.

    Initially, I thought I had to apply Z1 & Z2 together...which is why I waiting 6 months before Z1/Z2-ing again. Now that I understand I can just Z2/Z6, as I stated previously, I'll Z2 after the next three car washes and continue my regime of "wipe and swipe" (Wipe off the dust, Swipe on the Z6 on a semi-daily basis).
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  • darbhdarbh Member Posts: 51
    As most of us know, washing a car will not remove all forms of paint contamination.

    A car wash solution reduces the chemical bond between the paint and the dirt. Rail dust and similar contaminants are often physically embedded in the paint. So, soap, detergent, etc. will not necessarily free the contaminant.

    The idea behind claying is to physically "wipe up" the contaminants.

    I just read a Ford technical bulletin at: "http://www.autoint.com/Ford Bulletin 99-12-10.htm" The article, clearly written by engineers, says that studies show that claying will not handle the rail dust problem.

    This technical bulletin says that clay will not completely handle the problem and "removes only the top of the particle." It goes on to say, emphatically, that pieces of rail dust are left in the paint, creating "corrosive chemical compounds."

    The bulletin states, in bold print, that the procedure specified in the bulletin (acid wash, etc.) MUST be used prior to any buffing or polishing. This is a bit disturbing because many of us have come to believe that clay WILL handle the rail dust problem and other embedded contaminants. Yet, the bulletin says this belief is incorrect.

    This seems to be an important issue. We put in a good amount of work creating multiple layers of Z. One of the reasons we do this work is to protect the paint. And, a premise in doing that is to start with clean paint. The bulletin says that we are not starting with clean paint. If the bulletin is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it, we are trapping rail dust and corrosive chemical compounds under our Z, when we thought we were protecting clean paint.

    If anyone has addition data on this subject, I think the data would be very useful. I would really like to hear your comments and observations.
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