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Same situation pretty much over at Lexus, BMW, MB, etc. It's all about supply and demand. And making money, of course.
I already set up the lease particulars with the dealer & I'm getting a good deal on the car ($500 over invoice) & the best they can do on the money factors, no security deposits, etc.
So either way I go, it will be OK, but I like the idea of not having monthly payments & getting a better deal on the whole lease.
I'm going in within days to take care of this. If anyone has opinions about any possible down sides to this type of lease, please clue me in.
Sounds like a great deal for you - $500 over invoice on a lease for a new, new car - whoo hoo!
Thanks in advance for the info.
It's www.swapalease.com. I have used the service and it is wonderful. You may be able to transfer your lease, but it may take some negotiating on your part to make it happen. I don't know how your finance institution works with lease transfers, but most banks are willing to allow transfers for a small fee. BTW, I don't work for them so this is purely a vote from experience.
Also, you could advertise in your local paper for a lease transfer as well.
Good Luck,
Curt
The 36 month lease package I'm being offered for the Toyota Highlander is this:
Money Factor - .0033
Residual% - 59.6
That's based on a 12k/year lease.
The fleet manager showed me their sheet with money factors & the lowest number on there was .0034 if you had exc credit. They knocked off another .0001 for being an "Encore" customer (repeat Toyota credit customer with exc credit).
I have a feeling they probably could move a bit more on it, but he gave me the rap that this was the best that Toyota Financial does on current leases. He claims that they have tightened up on leases a bit this last year.
Hope this helps.
BTW - I did a bit of re-calculating & it looks like if I put a few grand down on the monthly lease plan, I can get it to be lower in the overall cost of the lease than the "1 pay" lease. I might go ahead and do monthly afterall, even though it's a higher rate factor than the 1 pay.
Sounds like either way you go, you will do fine. I would go with the monthly but I don't have the cash to go the "1 pay" route! Even if I did I might think twice especially if the overall cost is the same because you never know when you might need that extra cash!
Thans again and good luck! Let us know how it turns out.
The "total due at lease signing" is not the same as your "down payment" for this car. Consumers are frequently required to pay items such as the vehicle's first month's payment, registration, security deposit, and an acquisition fee when they take delivery of their vehicles. Just because you have to cut a check for $2,000 to lease the car that you want, does not mean that it all is going to be used as a down payment.
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It seems to me it would be much easier to simply stick with standard financial payment calculations using a non zero future value (the residual).
Is there maybe a historical reason for doing them the way they are? Marketing? Legal reasons? Done to further confuse consumers?
Mathematically, they are basically the same (within a few dollars). I guess I don't see the need for generating a new set of essentially redundant terms (money factor vs interest rate, residual vs future value, capitalized amount vs loan amount, etc).
I was wondering if maybe you might have any insight...
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I called to question this and the rep said there was no one at the dealership who could assess the damages, so we couldn't be given a bill then. I asked how we could determine whether we should buy the car or turn it in. She said it's your best guess based on the condition.
I said that if we give up the car, then Chase can bill us whatever they want and we have no recourse. She said that we should trust them and that it never happens.
I'm a little nervous. We'd rather not buy the car, but I don't the like the sudden $10k bill b/c joe the chase transport driver trashed the transmission. I know that's extreme, but that's the point.
Is this how it always is? What steps should I take to protect myself?
Even if you pay full MSRP on the Sequoia, with residuals like that you should be able to steal one, correct? Or at least beat the Yukon deal but its not even close. Why is that? It sounds like looking for the highest residual isn't always the way to go? Just checking, thanks!!
45000 cap cost
60% residual (residual then becomes $27000)
36 month lease
(45000 - 27000)/36 = $500/mo (not counting interest)
Now, for Ford Expedition (numbers pulled out of air, no flames please)
38000 cap cost (I've seen EB Expo's for less in paper here in Denver)
50% residual (again, this is probably close to within 1 or 2% either way)
36 month lease
(38000 - 19000)/36 = 528/mo (again, no interest calculated)
Not that much of a screaming deal all of a sudden.
I will agree, if the residuals on the Sequoia are higher that 60%, the pmt goes down. But, if you can negotiate a lower cap cost on the Expo (same residual pct), then the pmt goes down too.
your mileage may vary.
Thanks!
Karla
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I have leased cars since 1987 but don't really understand how they calculate them. I've always negotiated on payment. This time, I don't want to do that. I want to understand what makes up these numbers. This has probably been posted here before but I'm too lazy to read back through all the posts (at least I admit it!) Here is how I (think) they are calculated;
o - Capital cost = (MSRP - discount - rebates - downpayment)
o - Multiply captial cost by residual % to get residual value (or buyout at end of lease).
o - Subtract residual value from capital cost and get what I will call "lease base" (the amount you actually pay for during the term of the lease.
o - Multiply the money factor x 2400 resulting in an "Interest rate".
o - Amortize the lease base by the Interest rate and the term giving a monthly payment
o - Add tax as necessary (in MN it's 6.5% on each payment).
Please tell me where my errors are in this (if it makes any sense).
THANKS!
Paul in MN
For some reason, I can't post a link (it "exceeds" 100 characters). Go to Edmunds home page, http://www.edmunds.com , click on the yellow "Advice" button over on the left side, then select the "Leasing Information and Advice" link.
As car_man pointed out, Toyota has no help on money for Sequoias, due to their popularity. What I don't know if that is true for Fords and the Expedition. A difference in the money factor would also change the equation.
I'm leasing an Expedition now (XLT version, '99 model year) for $473 + tax ($496 total per month). I started the lease with approx. $1700. Now, 2 1/2 years ago, the residuals were probably artificially inflated on Fords, so I suspect that I won't be able to get quite as good a deal now (my lease is up in November).
I would also think that you could negotiate the cost of the EB Expo down from that $42K figure. Here in Denver, I've seen ads for them for around $35-$37K, which should reduce the pmt drastically. Not likely for the Toyota dealer to budge on price for the Sequoia. Don't know about Chevrolet and GMC on the Tahoe and Yukon, though.
My understanding is that to get the lowest lease payment, you want to find:
1) a low cap cost (for the vehicle you want)
2) a high residual percentage
3) a low money factor
Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
Leasing really has changed. Anyway to make a long story short, I already leased my Yukon SLT a month ago. I was just trying to really educate myself on leasing. That's why I still can't figure out those figures on the Sequoia, the money factor/interest rate must be 15%!! It would have to be even at MSRP! Thanks for your input! How lucky for you on your tax figure, my rate is 9%!
Wow! I knew that Ford artificially inflated the residuals, but 71%? My residual (3 year lease) is around $17K -- I think the cap cost was around $35K -- so right around 50%.
Wife loves the Expo and wants to stay with a large SUV. But, she refuses to pay more than $500/mo. Guess we'll be buying our Expo when the lease ends -- I'm hoping the payments will drop below $400.
Audi A4 1.8T Quattro 5 speed
Subaru Impreza WRX
These are my two finalists. I just need to see where the numbers work out.
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A friend of mine was just up on her 3 year lease thru National city on an Expy, they ended up selling her the car $8,000 less than the residual!! I know they were going out of the leasing business, but its always worth a try to get the number down. Good luck!!
my lease is $312.00 a month. I have the 2.0L 4 cyl Auto with Leather, Luxury Package, Monsoon, 6 cD changer in back and extended warranty. I gave $997. at inception includes: 1 payment, acquisition fee and T & L. No security deposit.
2001 Corvette Coupe - MSRP $43,000 Purchase $42,000
1999 Corvette Coupe (low miles) - Purchase $36,000
Your opinion would be appreciated. Thanks
But anyway, I'm sure if you shop around here or any other site...You might find leasing a new-- is more advantages to you.....
Maybe this help's...
Terry.
I can EASILY get a regular 5 year loan for a better payment than any used car lease. I don't even know why they have them available.
I am trying to lease a 325i with heated seats, moonroof, myrtel wood, and in dash CD. MSRP is 29,885. The dealer says that they are not able to discount the car much but he can manipulate the taxes somehow to give me a lower monthly payment than the other dealer I got a quote from. I live in Lake County Illinois. The dealer is also in Lake County. I think our tax rate is 7%.
Basically it works out like this. The first dealer said he could do 489/month, 2,800 due at signing, with a cap cost of 29,385. I believe the money factor to be .0031 and the residual at 60%. The second one said he could do 476/month, 2800 due at signing. I'm not sure what the cap cost, money factor, or residual are. Both are for 3 years 15,000 miles per year.
The second one is better right???
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Nice choice in vehicles, by the way. I think that Mercedes did an outstanding job with this car's redesign. They tremendously improved the new C's ride quality and responsiveness over the old model's. They also did a great job with the changes to the exterior. I think that this is one of the best looking cars out there in its price range, it almost looks like a little S-Class
It is difficult to say for certain when the 2002 C-Class will hit showrooms. As far as the basic design of the car is concerned, there won't be any major changes for the 2002 model year. Given the fact that this car was recently redesigned, I anticipate that the current model's life span will stretch until at least the 2005 model year.
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If you lease a 2001 Corvette through GMAC right now, you will have to use their standard lease rates. The last that I heard, this was right around 8.99% for consumers with good credit. The 3 year 12,000 miles per residual value for a 2001 Corvette Coupe (non-Z06) should be around 63%. Using these numbers, if you lease this car (MSRP: $43,000 & Cap Cost:$42,000) for 3 years with 12,000 miles per through GMAC you would have a pre-tax monthly lease payment of $673 per month.
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