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Remember that the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you are paying cash for them. I know that discounts have not been easy to negotiate since the Odyeesy's redesign, but you never mention this van's actual selling price in your post. This is an important number to know because it tells you just how much of a discount, if any, you are receiving on this vehicle. You should definitely make sure to find out this number before finalizing your deal.
I have noticed that most manufacturers have switched from advertising leases to advertising balloon notes in the New York area. This includes manufacturers like Honda which has always advertised leases in the past. This leads me to believe that they, like many other banks in the area, are slowly making the transition to balloon notes. I don't know what its exact cut-off date for leases is in New York and Connecticut, or if they are even going to stop writing them. Many banks have completely stopped leasing in these states, while others have just increased their lease acquisition fees significantly.
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I just looked up the 2003 Audi A4 1.8T sedan with quattro in the new vehicle pricing section of Edmunds.com and the spread between this model's full MSRP and the Edmunds.com True Market Value for your area is around $1,600. This means that according to Edmunds.com's research most people should be able to negotiate at least this much of a discount. If your post you mention a full MSRP of $31,800 and a capitalized cost of $30,500 for this car. If this cap cost is your deal's gross cap cost, before your down payment has been deducted then your car's selling price is reasonable, though there still may be a little room left to negotiate. However, if this is your vehicle's net capitalized cost, after your $1,800 down payment has been deducted then you are not getting a very good price on this car. Either way, you may want to comparison shop if there are any other Audi dealers in your area. By doing so you will find out exactly what the market is like for this car and may be able to play a couple of dealers against each other in an effort to negotiate a lower price.
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If you were to lease a 2003 Saab 9-5 Arc Wagon through Saab Financial services Corp. this month for 3 years with 15,000 miles per, its base lease money factor and residual value should be .00028 and 48%, respectively. Unfortunately, from what I hear, New York residents are no longer allowed to lease vehicles through Saab Financial services. So if you want to lease one, you actually will likely be put into a balloon note. Saab's balloon note program is a little different than its lease program, but I don't know the particulars of it at this time in terms of interest rates. I can tell you that New York residents are eligible for $1,275 balloon note cash for 36 month terms that may be used to negotiate a lower selling price. Saab is providing dealer cash of up to $5,500 on 2003 9-5 models, but its normal dealer cash can not be used in conjunction with its special lease, financing, or balloon note offers. I haven't heard that BMW's lease program on the 5-Series got worse, but BMW did introduce new dealer cash about a week or so into the month. This dealer cash is not compatible with its special lease or financing rates. The salesperson who you spoke with may be trying to steer you away from the lease program so that they can use the pocket the majority of the new dealer cash that is out there.
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Different lease terms all have different rates (money factors) - the longer the tern the higher the rate. Nothing too surprising there - you wouldn't expect the same rate on a 1 year loan as on a 10 year loan.
#6911 of 6912 Re: Does money factor change with lease length? by Car_man HOST Jun 15, 2003 (10:24 am)
Hey Dave. Many banks lease money factors do indeed vary depending upon the length of the lease. This sort of thing is very common in the industry.
**Thanks for the confirmation, guys. I just wanted to verify the dealer was being honest with me.
So here is this deal. Tell me if you think if it’s a relatively good one or not. Keep in mind that I live on Long Island in the often-expensive state of New York.
The van that I am considering leasing is an MPV ES with RES, four seasons package, 6 CD audio system and power doors.
Here are the numbers he gave me:
There are two financial institutions that are leasing now - Hann Auto Trust (which is who I have my current lease through - coming to an end this month), and Mazda American Credit.
For a 48 month lease, pre-tax monthly payment through Hann is $380.00. MAC is $392.00
With Hann's bank fee ($895. - ouch!) and tax (8.5% in Nassau County - double ouch!!) rolled into the monthly payment, meaning I would only need a first month payment, plus DMV fees - the monthly payment for the 48 month lease would be $443.00.
The money factor he gave me was .00230 -- this is initially what sent my radar up as I know, Car Man, that you had quoted me a MF of .00165 - but that was for Mazda American Credit, and also for 36 months. The reason we are looking at Hann again is I will have my $450.00 disposition fee waived from my previous lease, if I go back with them. .00230 = roughly 5.5%.
The purchase price he told me he was basing this vehicle on was $27,642.00.
Does this sound like a good deal to you?
Can you confirm that the Hann bank fee is now $895.00? Three years ago it was $595.00.
Also, can anyone confirm that the Mazda warranty is for 48 months (which the dealer told me), rather than the standard 36 month?
Thanks in advance for any and all info.
Just to get my facts straight;
There's no lease money/rebates available for BMW 5 series. No lease money/rebates available for Saab Arc Wagon (only balloon money offered), Is there any lease money/rebates available for Audi A6 Avant wagon? I'm looking strictly at leases at this time.
In your opinion, do you think MF and residual number will get better as we move into/through the summer? I can opt out through an 'early release' program (Saab)., or I can ride it out till September and take my chances then.
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It is difficult to predict what manufacturers will do with their future incentives with 100% accuracy. However, generally speaking automakers' incentives do indeed get larger on vehicles as we get later into the model year. I suspect that Saab will have to provide a least the same level of support, if not more on the '03 9-5's for the next several months.
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Here is what I learned from the three Honda dealers I visited this week.
1. Yes, they are going over to the Balloon note format - but not until after the 4th of July sales period.
2. So you can cut a "traditional" lease deal now, until the end of the month (which is what I am going to do).
3. One dealer who seemed very knowledgeable about it said that Connecticut has already passed legislation preventing the kind of liability that is forcing the changeover, and that New York may soon follow.
So this may only be a temporary thing.
However, I will have already completed my deal anyway, so for me it is a moot point.
As for the Purchase Price, Car Man - the dealers are reluctant to move off of MSRP. So all of my numbers have been based on that.
Hope my additional info helps.
--One more thing...when do these numbers expire. The end of this month of the first week in July? Thanks again.
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I am not personally all that familiar with what the market is like for this car in your area. You may have better luck getting feedback on pricing over on the Sedans Message Board or the Smart Shopper Message Board.
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OK, you've done your homework, negotiated a sweet purchase price through all available rebates, got the residual, MF, so forth and so on. Now you're ready to march back into the dealer and get the deal you want, right? What about the bank that will finance your lease? Where is information available that will show what bank/s give you the best deal, and what control do you have to guide your lease towards a best-case situation? You must be familiar with the Lease Star program, ALG? Is is possible for a layman (such as myself) to subscribe to these services, and ultimately, would that help make a difference in the monthly lease price?
As usual, your help, and the speed in which you answer our questions is always appreciated.
All My Best
jbowman3
As for dealers and MSRP – I’ve been dual shopping the Odyssey and the MPV. It is the Ody dealers who are reluctant to move off MSRP *for the purpose of leasing*. At the very least, they appear to want to play “cat and mouse” and I haven’t the time or inclination to do that.
I actually have what appears to be a pretty good offer for an MPV, but would just like to confirm that.
It is for a top-of-the-line ES model. Loaded with options – RES, Power sliding doors, In-Dash 6-Disc CD Changer, and 4 seasons package. The purchase price listed on my just received faxed “worksheet” (doing everything “by the book” here ;-) is $25,742.00
So that does appear to be considerably under MSRP (when you consider the optional add ons)
Here are the down and dirty numbers:
48 month lease
10,000 per year mile allotment (for a total of 40,000)
Money Factor of .002300 from Hann Auto Trust
Residual: 39%
Hann will waive my prior $450.00 disposition fee for taking new deal with them, but the new Bank Fee is $895.00
8.5% Long Island sales taxes are $1,841.51
Total Cap Cost (rolling the bank fee and taxes in) is $28,478.51
for a monthly payment of $442.68
Only the first month due at signing (no security deposit needed).
Does this sound like a good deal?
As I am very ready to do this, any timely advice or comments would be most apprecaited.
Thanks one more time.
PS - The way employee pricing is figured out is:
Dealer Invoice amount less Dealer Reserve, Expense Reserve & less Supplemental Advertising (if applicable). Amount is equal to "dealer net"
Thanks for your insight. FYI, a dealer quoted me by email $14,388 (incl. $460 destination charge) for a new Honda Civic LX sedan. Invoice is $14,634. I requested a lease quote; these guys are poor at following directions.
Anyway, where on this site is there an explanation of the money factor? Also, how do you figure out how much interest you're paying on your lease after knowing the selling price and payments? As I have no intention of purchasing this car at the end of the lease, I'm shooting for a subvented lease. Can I negotiate the residual value upwards? Is there a site that lists the residual values of all cars?
Thank you in advance for your help!
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To everyone else (Car_man??) -- in my situation, I'm looking to lease either a TSX or a TL-S soon, and my lease still has 6 months on it, but it looks like I actually have some POSITIVE equity in a lease for a change -- I have an Acura CL. Now, I KNOW the dealer can probably negotiate an even CHEAPER buyout of the vehicle than I could get if I were to buy it and try to sell it on my own. Do you think I could possibly do this near the end of the Summer/September and the dealer would TRULY pay off the car, and not roll the difference into a new lease, KNOWING they'd be able to make some good money re-selling my car ??? Reason is, I wanna keep my payments around where they are now, and I know if I just negotiate with my car NOT involved, I'll get a better deal, or will I do just as good, letting THEM take my car instead of waiting till the end of the lease and just turning it in ???
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Would you be able to supply me with the money factors and the residual % for the 2004 S60 2.4 and 2004 S60 2.5T for 36 and 42 month terms? I would be very appreciative. I am perplexed at this point unless they are just trying to scam me.
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Local dealer has the Premium for $399 a month with $2500 down but would not provide money factor and residual numbers.
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Thanks so much. What a great service you provide.
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Can you please furnish me with the money factor and residuals for both of these cars 36 months/ 12k p/y
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