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Ford Focus Hatchback ZX3 - Part XIV

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  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    I aggree with the zx2/zx3 comparison.. I love my Z, but I was the Designated Driver the other night and took my friends ZX2... that car seemed to have a lot more Ballz than the same engine in our ZX3s... I dont understand why, but it sure isnt anything that upsets me... as for the recalls, My Z was one of the very last built in the 2000MY, so I havent been affected and therefore am not upset about any of it, but can surely appreciate yours and vadp's state of mind... I think if my Z was continuously crapping out on my i'd take it back under Lemon Law, but I hope it never comes to that. I love my Z, and if it continues to be as reliable for me as it has been I will definately trade for a new one a few years down the road.

    Florida is treating me great, job is goin well, and the weather is finally cooling off a bit which is a nice treat... my thick northern blood bakes under the Florida sun.

    One thing I have noticed with my Z is the tremendous power hit that the car takes while using the A/C... in mine it/s almost like i have to use my AC switch as a turbo... crank it off while jumping on the highway, then putting it back on after i get up to speed. Anyone else notice this?

    anyways, happy driving all...

    NJ
  • kdominczakkdominczak Member Posts: 174
    I hope that new engine coming from Europe will be better in every respect (that's what ford is promising).
    New 2.4l 4 cyl. should be around 145hp, while being more economic, quieter, smoother and lighter than our 2.0l zetec.
    Maybe Ford should wait with Focus premiere in America and bring it on in 2002/2003 with new engine?
    I've said it earlier, I'll trade-in if there will be a new Focus with better engine.
    njzx3, enjoy your florida's turbo edition (low 50's tonight and cool weather ahead for you in the next few days). I must agree with you, A/C in focus is a power sucker. New engine should make a significant improvement in that area.
    Are you considering trade-in for 2002 or 2003 with a better engine?
    vadp, I know that your frustration will go away if ford will fix it. I wish you luck and better service department.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    kdominczak,
    what engine are you talking about?
    I suspect it's the engine in just released Mondeo.
    But that one is a 2.0 liter one.

    http://www.ford.co.uk/newmondeo/news/news-story1.html
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    ...forgive my english, please.
    Mean no offence to anyone.
  • kdominczakkdominczak Member Posts: 174
    I know about it from one of those
    Ford/Blue Oval/Focus forums, I forgot which forum it was, though.
    It sounded very promising.
  • comedyactorcomedyactor Member Posts: 14
    My free 3,000 mile maintenance check-up isn't due for 2 more weeks, but I called Metro Ford today, as I'm concerned about my ZX3...it was made in Mexico in March of this year...and it has a very noticable "creaking" and grinding sound when applying the brakes, and sometimes when coasting at slow speed. Taking it in this Wednesday. I'll let y'all know the outcome.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Check out this October7 article:
    "Focus gets "tricked out" with new Limited Street Edition".

    http://www.blueovalnews.com/
  • michmanmichman Member Posts: 3
    I have been following this forum for a few months now and decided to finally participate. I have a twilight blue ZX3 that I purchased in May.

    European Ford vehicles have been using 5w20 oil for at least a year. It provides better fuel economy and they have 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I believe Ford will be using 5w20 in all North American vehicles and increasing the oil change interval by 2002.

    Don't expect to ever see the new Mondeo in the USA. I have read a few quotes from Ford execs who say the Mondeo will not be coming over here. If it does it may be badged as a Mercury.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    njzx3- you have noticed the same thing as well.is it because of the lower profile of the zx2? or is there genuine differences? i believe the
    air intake and throttle assembly is different on the 2 z"s. also, you are
    right-on about the a/c sucking power. with the zx2 it is barely a
    noticable difference.the zx2 zetec appears to be gutsier and a smoother
    performer. i believe they were not built in mexico.
    on the issue of sourced parts,i maintain there is a question of quality
    of the mexican sourced parts.i have stated this many times previously
    and i had concerns about that issue before making my purchase.i was hoping that doubts were to be proven wrong.also, on the brake squealing
    it will probably come out later that there is a problem with pre-mature warping of rotors. again cheap begets cheap. do i like the
    z ? sure. presently, i can overlook the nuisance problems and quirks.
    safety issues and long term reliabilty is a whole other matter of consideration. thankfully,we have each other here to air out our gripes,
    likes + dislikes. the z is a cool car in search of a little more refinement
    in a couple of key areas. heres hoping that ford will step-up to the plate
    and do what needs to be done to make it right.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    looking at the mondeo, i can see where the new taurus got its styling cues.
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    yes, I am definately going to trade for a new focus in a few years assuming my current fiocus doesnt crap out on me... I figure I have just under 3 years left to pay on this car... im gonna pay it all off, then probably have it a bit longer then trade... but thats pretty far away, so im just gonna enjoy the one i have for now.
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    looks like the wings west kit, but it should be painted to match the car, not black on all... makes me wonder exactly how much ford is gonna charge for this... you could probably do it all by yourself aftermarket for much less
  • youngowneryoungowner Member Posts: 1
    I was so estatic when I found this forum. I just bought my first car, a silver Ford Focus ZX3, Kona edition. I did a tonne of research over two years, and up until the Focus launch I was planning on getting a Civic hatch. I hope I don't regret my choice.

    Here are the two problems I'm having:
    1. The Kona roofrack scratches the trunk when it is opened. Poor design! How come no one else has mentioned this? Nothing on the rack or trunk is adjustable so why me? I can live with this though, bought some rubber pads and the dealer provided me with touchup paint.
    2. Mileage, my manual transmission car may only have 1200 miles on it but I've never hit over 21 mpg, and there is city and freeway driving in there. Any suggestions? Does it require a longer break-in period or should I be concerned about this now?

    Please help... I'm a poor student who had a dream of owning a new car. I saved up money over the years and bought a Focus. I love the sucker dearly and I want things to work out.
  • tickbittytickbitty Member Posts: 250
    I believe the engines are somewhat different. When I had my oil changed at dealership, I reminded them it is only 4 1/2 quarts, and the guys there were discussing the zetec. They said the ZX2 zetec takes 5 quarts, I think. So sounds like it is a slightly larger engine. Their fuel economy might be a little worse too.
  • trevatreva Member Posts: 39
    I too find that the A/C really takes the breath out of my young z's engine. Routinely, I turn the A/C off temporarily when getting onto the highway.
    I am glad I've got the A/C today, what with the SF Bay Area getting its first rains in quite a few months. But, for fuel economy's sake I try and keep the A/C off as much as possible.

    I was intrigued by the "Street Edition" Focus mentioned in the BlueOval News, mostly by the availability of the 6-Disc in-dash changer. I'm forever swapping CD's in-and-out. Would love to get a changer installed, provided the style flows with the existing facia. A chrome exhaust tip could polish off my rear end, too (as-it-were!).

    treva
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    vadp,
    Not offensive. Most of us educated in US do not use proper English, my self included. Thought I use to, but today I know better. Sorry to say that, but it's true.
    Pat
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Roof rack being to long has been discussed a while back. Have dealer take out end plugs and cut off the amount to prevent it hitting, then replace the plugs. Easy fix. To bad Ford didn't get it right. Seems they are stuck with a burned out light bulb. You know the "better idea" advertisment. Oh, give it time to break-in for better mileage. Think you'll be happy.

    Michman,
    Thanks for the info on the 5W-20 weight oil. Most interesting. Wonder where one can buy it. Synthetic might be okay as it will stand up to the heat better than dino.

    Pat
  • chicagodriverchicagodriver Member Posts: 21
    5W20 oil can be found in any major car parts store, Pep Boys, Trac Auto, etc....Now I have a question, how long should one go before changing to synthetic oil and how long between each synthetic oil change? Thanks in advance for the help
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Lots of opinions and some information can be found in the "synthetic oil" forum.
  • drebe73drebe73 Member Posts: 243
    Brought it in today, they shuttled me to work soon as I walked in the door my cell rings and they tell me that part needs to be ordered and will take 10 days to 2 weeks. So i had to get my friend to bring me back to get my car, they misplaced my key again. Then what should I see but a infra red 2001 Zx3 with full wings west kit and chrome exhaust tip for sale. I want that for my car and it was great to see it in person finally Wish it was in the black or blue.
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    If the 2001 Zetec calls for 5W-20 and it's the same identical engine as the 2000, I wonder what Fords opinion is on running the 5W-20 in the 2000 Zetec engine instead of the 5W-30? Especially interesting thought if it would give better gas mileage. Any comments from anyone?
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    There is a discussion on this subject in the "Generel Information" forum.

    http://www.discussion-board.com/clubfocus/
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    i had previously reported my z was not affected by recall according to ford rep via phone call. i didnt believe him,so i e-mailed ford the same day. today i get e-mail from ford cconfirming recall of my vehicle. i call dealer who claims to know nothing of recall.service mgr. finally
    confirms recall. parts are not readily available. they are offering a 3
    day free loaner. what if parts take 2to3 weeks? who knows? these
    clowns are clueless! im calling ford,ill report back.
  • michmanmichman Member Posts: 3
    If you have a 2000 Focus I wouldn't recommend switching to 5w-20 oil. There may be slight internal differences in the 2000 and 2001 zetec engines that may cause the 2000 to consume 5w-20. You should be able to switch to synthetic 0w-30 in the 2000 zetec.

    The fuel economy gain for 5w-20 is minimal, but it is a cheap way for Ford to increase their CAFE numbers.
  • ottosottos Member Posts: 80
    Don't get too worried about the difference between 5w-20 and 5w-30. The savings in fuel economy is not significant.

    I would like to know more about the stumbling. Is the A/C on? Does it feel like the A/C clutch is kicking in? Does it stumble upon initial tip-in, or while cruising?
  • whyfordwhyford Member Posts: 50
    I made a few posts months back explaining it better but i did not get much interest until i used "stumbling".

    Now here is how i see things from my perspective, I have a problem with my A/C not being cold. Clutch noise and some kind of engine noise. Brake dust and alot more that i posted earlier on.

    Now knowing others have the exact same problems and i have LOTS of warranty left, why would i allow myself to get overly excited about them?

    Ford will NOTICE at some time and date that these are valid concerns to NEW Ford owners and address these issues with their Dealerships.

    If they don't?

    We are a small forum here. BUT with the advant of the InterNet we have a voice that can be heard.

    Trust me on this.

    Keep notes and receipts. A Diary of your gas fill ups and mileage when problems occured.

    _____________________________________________

    Now off topic?

    I bought this Scotch Guard in a can (with a 50% free can added) and after testing on a small hidden patch applied it to the front seats and oversprayed all the plastic to boot :)

    Was worried that i left drips/blobs in a few spots but when i hopped in the car to leave for work i forgot to check how it came out.

    This stuff is GREAT! Just spray on and it's done. Might try a bead test with a small amount of water to see how well it works but my fear of spraying it on was not worth it.

    _____________________________________________

    Krown (Canada) gave me a 'cash or cheque' quote of $90 Beaver Bucks plus tax to undercoat the ZXer. Taking it in on Thursday.

    _____________________________________________

    Hey let's keep the grief comming but never forget that this is still a very nice avant garde automobile.

    With respect,

    Whyford? :)
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    The manual states that no aftermarket undercoating should be applied. This stuff is usually just a moneymaker for the folks who put it on - the ZX3 came from the factory with adequate rustproofing. I have seen instances where aftermarket undercoating started a fire on the underside of a car. Realize that Ford is well within their rights to void your anti-corrosion warranty if you apply this stuff against their recommendations.
  • whyfordwhyford Member Posts: 50
    Opps sorry silver_bullet, i meant rust proofing.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    W,
  • minizx3minizx3 Member Posts: 32
    My part came in today. Two days like them said I'm in shock that it was so soon. Anyway appointment for tomorrow. They will have car all day to work on it. So I'll keep you all posted as to the outcome.

    You guys are great support in times of feeling down. Thanks!!!!
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    Glad you brought up the undercoating issue...

    Once again, going back to my experience working at a dealer...they charged over $500 for undercoating and rust proofing, when it actually cost the dealer LESS than $100 "do the work"...AND once the rust proofing and undercoating was done by the dealer it voided the manufacture's corrosion warrenty. So, say in 4 years you have a problem with the boyd paint, the manufacturer is not responsible, and the dealer won't do anything either....

    Save your money.
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    saving money is good... im bad at it... if anyone would like to donate to the feed kevin's zx3 fund...

    =)
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    I read recently where 3M had discontunued production of Scotch Guard. They found some funny stuff about how long the principle ingredient remained in the human body (about forever) and decided to stop making it before they found they had a disaster on their hands. No apparant health effects have been seen so far though. It's nice to see a company act retroactivly for once. Unfortunately a plant was closed and lots of folks lost jobs.

    But now they have a reformulated version out. I bought a can when I got my ZX3. I also had an old left over 1/2 can that had been in the basement since my last car was new. I applied both cans and there is a big difference. The old stuff was more like a quick evaporating chemical (you could get high spraying it) while the new stuff seemed to be water based and not nearly as much fun to apply. It will be interesting to see if I can tell later which side is which.
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    The Focus A/C has a feature where the compressor will cut out during hard accelleration. If you are really stomping on it, like while merging into traffic or climbing a steep hill, the compressor will kick out and you will notice the air getting warmer. Manually kicking the A/C off for the performance boost shouldn't be necessary, unless you aren't really trying hard.

    The A/C doesn't seem as cold because it always comes on with a default setting of bringing in outside air. On a hot day this can be a good thing since it helps purge the hot air from inside the car quicker. Rolling the windows down for the first minute or two will help even more. After the system starts working though the addition of hot outside air reduces the system's effectivness. So once the A/C starts cooling, hit the recirculate button to make the system recirculate the inside air only. Pretty soon it should be cold enough to make your glasses fog up when you step outside.

    As a rule, when driving at highway speeds, the difference between the increased drag of rolled down windows and the load from an A/C compressor are a wash. In many cases the rolled down windows are actually more of a drag then the A/C. You may get actually get better milage on the highway with the A/C running! I find the difference to be too minor to care about.

    Keeping the windows up also goes a long way towards "fixing" those rattles and other noises I keep reading about here. That and cranking up the radio.
  • comedyactorcomedyactor Member Posts: 14
    Hi all. I took my ZX3 into Metro Ford this morning, for it's free 3,000 mile maintenance (oil change, etc.), and told the service manager about the recall, and that I had indeed noticed a bad grinding, creaking noise when applying the breaks, and when coasting at low speed. He said no one else had mentioned it, or brought in their cars, regarding a recall...but then he entered my VIN # into the computer, and out came "RECALL ON LEFT REAR WHEEL - SEE OASIS." I'm waiting for him to call me today, with the status.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    jwkessler1,
    "Keeping the windows up also goes a long way
    towards "fixing" those rattles and other noises"
    O, really?
    Just keep the windows up and forget about those abnormal noises?
    Such an easy way to solve the numerous problems, John.

    BTW, Ford would definitely benefit from the customers like you, sir. :)
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Zgrrrl is correct - I'd avoid all aftermarket rust proofing or undercoating. It is a rip off, and the effectiveness varies widely depending on the skill of the shop doing the application. As with the undercoating, adding extra rust proofing to your car will likely void your anti-corrosion warranty from Ford - who can blame them if some idiot drills an access hole into a perfectly good panel to spray some rust proofing, only to compromise the integrity of that panel? I've also seen aftermarket rustpoofing clog drain holes in doors and fenders, which only encourages rust. Just say no.
  • chicagodriverchicagodriver Member Posts: 21
    Well I just got the call from my dealer that my car is in. He has to prep it before I pick it up. He wants me to get it on friday, seems like an awfully long time to me. What is the average prep time?
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    vadp - My "fixing" suggestion was partially tonge-in-cheek.

    Fortunately I'm either lucky (not usually though) or less critical. I can make my brakes creak a bit if I apply just the right amount of pressure at slow speeds. I wouldn't consider that to be a problem though. When I drive next to a wall, like a concrete divider, with the window down I hear some rattling. But I've never owned a car that didn't make strange noises under similar conditions. I admit it would be nice to have something that only purrs. I guess I should buy an Oldsmobile next time. Or a BMW - but the zinker isn't in that price class and I don't expect it to behave as if it were.

    I don't mean to make light of anyone's problems. I realize some (many?) have real problems with their cars and deserve better.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    thanks for the recall link.i have to tell you, i had it completely with ford. they must have real dopes in the mgmt. ranks. penny wise and
    pound foolish. either that or they are content with trading x amount
    of lives for x amount of dollars spent. cost/risk/benefit factor. what
    a damm shame to blow it on a potentially fine car such as the z. im getting ready to trade as soon as recall is done.im upset because the
    value is going to depreciate in light of all the recent recalls.in regard
    to noises - there are rattles present with windows up . there is also a
    genuine problem with warped rotors as well.i will take my loss now
    and consider it a hard lesson learned. i dont plan on waiting for additional recalls,this has been plenty.whats next?
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    a total waste of hard -earned cash. proifit a plenty for dealer. if you have the opportunity,visit a dealer and watch how they apply it. its a
    joke. ive witnessed it first hand. what a rip-off.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    "I've never owned a car that didn't
    make strange noises under similar conditions."
    jwkessler1,
    Well, i don't know what kind of the cars you drove before, all I can say that I've never owned a car that made similarly strange noises under similar conditions.
    I'm not gonna go through the names of all of the junk I was priviledged to drive. I still own the 3-cylinder Chevy Sprint with 252K on odometer. And that thing doesn't make a lot of abnormal drivetrain noises.
    There is something very wrong with the MTX 75 design. Did Ford save a couple of bucks on the tranny in order to give us fog lights as standard equipment?. I don't know. I would happily trade the lights plus the steering wheel leather among with the aluminium wheels for the properly functioning tranny/clutch assembly.
    Maybe it's just me.
    zx3beast,
    I don't know what to say. The things don't look too good. The lesson will be learned. If you are serious about the trading the thing in please let us know about your experience. Wish you luck.
  • z2benzoz2benzo Member Posts: 18
    Radvlik: Thanks for the info on the dealer you used. I will check this dealership in the near future as I'm getting close to ordering the black z-car. I plan to use the x-plan -- pretty liberal eligibility requirements used by the automakers to move the iron. I hope you have many miles of trouble-free driving your zgr8ride.
  • comedyactorcomedyactor Member Posts: 14
    I took my ZX3 in this morning, to Metro Ford in North Hollywood. I called at 5pm, and the guy said the car was ready, but that nothing had been done, regarding the brakes. ? ? ? When I asked about the recall problem, he said they had to "order parts," and that it would take at least a week. I went up there, and he said that the mechanic "didn't make any notes" about the creaking noise from the brakes, so they must be ok. I said, NO, they WERN'T ok. He then produced a letter, from Ford, about the recall, stating that "...the left rear wheel might fall off, causing a crash." Yes, that was a quote.
    I said, "ok, then I'm not driving this car off
    the lot now...I want a loaner til it's fixed." He said he couldn't authorize that, and I said to find someone who could. In ten minutes, I had a loaner...but when I asked if I'd have it for a week, he said, "No, the parts are local...so it should be fixed tomorrow." ? ? ? All of a sudden, when they had to pay for a rental car, it'll take one day, instead of a week. That in itself makes me worried. What exactly are they going to DO to "fix" it in one day now? First thing tomorrow, I'm calling the general manager, and explain all this, so that I can be guaranteed that everything will be repaired properly, and that my wheel WON'T fall off, when I'm tooling down the 101 at 75mph!!! Or, I want a NEW, 2001 ZX3, same color and goodies, at no add'l charge.
  • scousescouse Member Posts: 14
    My 5 speed late 2000MY is a delight I don't have the diesel knock, nor the idler gear rattle nor the brake squeal nor the erratic fuel guage.

    If you want to be the first kid on the block with the latest car, you had better expect to be the lab rat. Sorry guys but that's life.

    Now if only I could get my 8 track installed.
  • radvlikradvlik Member Posts: 9
    If you do go to Superior Ford in Flat Rock, I might suggest talking to Chris Merriman as he is the A, X, and Z plan coordinator. Tell him Dave Vasher told ya about him. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to email. later

    radvlik
    dvasher@online.emich.edu
  • whyfordwhyford Member Posts: 50
    silver_bullet,

    I cancelled my appointment for the rustproofing. I have a couple of things that confuse me though and the first one is the Ford dealer offered me a Rustproofing/Scotch Guard/paint protection package, so it's okay for the Ford dealer but not an outside Company?

    I read through the white owners manual and didn't notice anything in it about rustproofing voiding and warranty.

    If zgrrrl worked at a dealer and that's the way it is...then that's the way it is i guess.

    Just thought for peace of mind and only $90.00 it was worth it. I called Krown and told them what i heard and they said they never heard of such a thing and told me theirs was petroleum based whatever that meant. Oil?

    Anyhow thanks for the heads up.

    W,
  • wilson25wilson25 Member Posts: 5
    Do us all a favor and trade-in your ZX-3. I doubt seriously if you'll like your next car either. By the way... do you like anything?
  • whyfordwhyford Member Posts: 50
    wilson25,

    zx3beast maybe a young first time buyer of an automobile and gets nervous about recalls.

    Heck i am 42 years old and this is my first new car. I was worried but after driving the car for four months i kinda bonded to it. I played with the trading it in scenario many times but i really do like the car.

    Does it start every day? YES

    Wish the remote door opener activated way before i had my keys ready to open the door though.

    Heck i know of MANY types of new vehicles that people i know are having problems with.

    Mine will be paid off in about two months....

    Not sure if the financings make things larger than they truely are?

    Heck i owed more on used sports cars than what i paid for my ZX-3.

    Nuff said and i hope i made sense.

    W,
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    The old "undercoating/rustproofing/paint sealant/Scotchguarding/pin striping" deal many dealers "offer" (or make you pay for if you want it or not) is just another way for them to increase their margin - hey, it's what they do best. Just say no. That goes for extended warranties as well, although for a very problem-prone car (hmmm... maybe ours?) you might come out ahead. Extended warranties are just high priced insurance policies at heart. Whenever you enter a dealership, remember they aren't there to become your best friend - they want and need to make money. If some of what they offer is not in your or your car's best interest, well, that's business.
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