Ford Focus ZX3

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  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    I had this one done this morning - it is only the outboard hinge on the rear seatback on the left side of the car. In and out in one hour, no problems. If you are going in for some other service, call ahead and make sure they have the part, then get it done & forget about it :)
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    for one to change oil+filter at every 3,000 mi. is relatively inexpensive preventative maintenance. the oil in your crankcase is your engines lifeblood. if you change it early and often, you greatly re-
    duce the odds of it sludging. with yesterdays 8cyl. you could stretch the interval between changes, i wouldnt push it with these 4cyl. today.
    just an opinion.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    "My" ZX3 has about 6500 miles on it, and just got 23.53 MPG from its last tank of fuel. This represents a mix of about 80% city driving/20% highway, with no sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic. The highway driving tends to be VERY exuberant :) Not stellar, but acceptable.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Member Posts: 1,331
    Before anyone asks, let me explain why I (an Echo owner) am in this board. Well, I like reading about cars; I am a long time (until now) Ford owner; and, the Focus was on my list of potential next cars. I went with the Echo (mainly due to questions of reliability).

    I just want to say that I feel your pain about the mileage although I am not experiencing it. My Echo is a 2001 four door with the five speed manual. I would say my driving is a 50/50 split and I get around 38 to 39 miles to the gallon.

    My Echo took its place alongside (but did not replace) my '93 Ford Escort Wagon. The type of driving is split about the same and I consistently get about 36 mpg with the Wagon which is also a manual.

    Given the talk about oil changes on this board, I am curious as to what Ford recommends for the Focus. I would let that be your guide even if your dealer recommends shorter intervals.

    Toyota recommends 5k or 7.5k intervals depending on driving conditions and I think I will change it based on 5k intervals although my dealership recommends my first change at 3,750 miles. I think my dealer is pretty good for the most part, but I think the shorter interval will only serve to line their pockets more.

    To anyone considering the Focus (or any car), you really should not just read about the car from many different sources, but take a test drive and let that weigh heavily in the final equation.

    Sorry for the long post. I now return you to your regularly scheduled car. ; )
  • jimmyfocuszx3jimmyfocuszx3 Member Posts: 65
    Did you ever notice that when you convert 5000km [per your owners book] to miles it comes up to 3125 miles or a bit less than what your dealership is recomending? In other words, Toyota is telling you to change the oil every 3125 - 4375 miles, which would put 3750 from your dealership as the exact middle of the two. So, while I am not in the business of being mean to other posters, I just find the Echo to be a car I cannot stand to look at. =)

    BTW, most Oil Change Centers recycle old motor oil [By enviromental decree in the Commonwealth of PA , I think] into diesel fuel. So while frequent oil changes maybe a waste of money, at least they are not hurting much either.

    Jimmy
  • fdannafdanna Member Posts: 263
    3000 mile oil changes are just as unnecessary as gasoline higher than 87 octane (excluding 6% of the vehicles on the market). The gasoline companies have been slapped by FTC fines for advertising such rubbish about higher octane gas and I suspect if the quick lube chains were investigated, the same would happen.

    And a correction to a correction: 5k referes to 5k MILES not 5000km.

    An oil change every 5000 miles is sufficient for just about everyone, just like the manual says. However, of course if doing it more frequently allows you to sleep better at night, go for it.

    SHOV6: 27/28 mpg is not unbelieveable for mainly highway driving at the speeds you quoted. 33/34 is not going to happen...not berating..just flat out don't believe it.
  • konafocuskonafocus Member Posts: 28
    Well It has been a while since I have posted here, been over at the Focaljet board.

    Now, Read this, I am getting 24-25 miles per the gallon only on city driving. Thats 100% city driving, and having a heavy foot on the pedal

    I am also getting 31-33 miles per the gallon on highway, at speeds of 70-75 miles per hour. I got this mileage when on a 300+ miles of pure highway road trip. Now I punch this little car heavy!! While I understand that not every car is going to perform the same, it is a shame that Ford cant fine tune these things to perfrom the same in gas mileage. Other than that it is a great and fun car to drive.
    While I envy the mpg on the oc the Echo, I know mine is not bad!! I dont envy the Echos looks and handling, steering, interior, but the miles per gallon is great.
    Difference here,is that the Focus is more of compact/sport car. THe Echo is an economy car.

    Dealership wise, no complaints, my dealer took care of all recalls, when I dropped it off to get it serviced, the funny thing is that I didnt even remember I had recalls, and the dealer took care of them with out me asking. Nice touch, I must admit!! Waiting on the SVT, thinking about buying one, not thinking on trading yhe zx3 in. I think I was lucky because I got one that gives me excellent gas mileage!!
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    Must add my two cents here for what it is worth. I have had my 2000 ZX3 for almost a year now and have a bit less than 9000 miles and I have averaged 37 miles per gal on the road (highway driving at the speed limit). I admit, I only get about 33 driving in the city at 35 miles per hour. Now I am not talking about sitting in traffic for hours at a time with the engine idling nor am I talking about a/I running full. I live in the mountains which will use more fuel, but less a/c. Have no idea why my numbers are so high but I am not complaining. By the way, I have not changed a thing in the car and only washed it once in the past year. Love the little car and hope it lasts as long as my other cars which average 12 years before I trade them at less than 100,000 miles each. My Z is a 5 speed w/o any cruise control. Yes, I have no interest in getting to 60 before the next guy and could care less how many pass me.
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    Sorry the a/l should have been a/c
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    You can get you used oil analysised and they will recommend at what interval to do your oil changes. Kendell used to do this for free. Mine used to come back with a recommendation of 7,500 miles using their dino oil. I don't know if any one is doing this free any more. Kendell still has a place in Bradford, Pa which analysis oil. You can pick up mail in kits at most parts stores. I have no idea as to the cost. If I want it done I will just run a sample down to Bradford as it is only 30 minutes away.

    Pat
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Wash your car once per year? I'm surprised your mileage isn't worse due to the aerodynamic drag from all the dirt :) When you trade your cars in, they must look pretty nasty!
  • focusport1focusport1 Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone now any web sights where I can get focus accessories? Besides focussport.com.
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    Well as for my Omni (1988), I could not part with it so I still have it here on the Hill. It is like an old friend. Have you ever heard of rain? I find that it does a fantastic job of cleaning cars. Of course, sometimes it works better if you are driving the car on a clean tar road rather than a dirt road. In any case, when spring comes I get out the hose and splash around and enjoy the encounter.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Member Posts: 1,331
    Being American, I forget that someone from one of the "metric" countries might take my use of k as being short for kilometers and not thousands. Yes, I meant 5k to mean five thousand miles.

    Konafocus posts about the Echo's handling and steering. I find both to be pretty good, actually.

    Am I understanding Run4life correctly? He has not put anything in the Focus he owns for nine thousand miles. Does this mean that you are running the car on air? ; ) Does this mean that you have yet to do the first oil change? : (

    I will return the control of your board back to you now. : )
  • schoonschoon Member Posts: 1
    Hi I'm thinking of buying one of these things.
    Here are a few questions for you gurus:
    1. Are these cars slow? I haven't driven one yet. My last 2 cars were a BMW Z3 and a V6 golf. I've seen their 0-60 times listed as any where from 8.0 to 10.5. The SVT one will be too late for me.
    2. How much should I pay for a 2001 in Phoenix, AZ?
    3. How much for a used 2000? What problems should I look for?
    4. How do they rate with their competitors (Civic, Mirage, Sentra, etc).

    Much obliged.

    Sorry if this has been asked before but it would take a week to read all 968 messages.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I've been driving a ZX2 for a couple of years and have been pleased with it, but it's time for a change. I've seen a web page announcing the 2002 SVT ZX3, but haven't heard or seen any references to price. Have any of you run accross any pricing info on the SVT?

    By the way, I drive my ZX2 a little agressively and rarely get less than 30 mpg. Can't help but wonder why there is so much concern about ZX3 fuel economy. Granted it's a little heavier, but isn't it geared taller - I thought it would get better mileage than the old ZX2.

    My 2 cents on oil changes - if you are going to keep the car, every 2500 miles. Yes I know modern engines don't foul the oil as fast, but it takes very little contamination throuh an engine to take the "edge" off it. If all your driving is on the highway change it every 3500 miles.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    i liked that one!
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Ford has not announced pricing yet, as the car is still many months away. Several car mags have done previews, and I've seen guesstimates range from $18K for a "base" SVT, to around $20K for one with options. Supposedly, only three options will be offered - sunroof, "audiophile" package sound system, and a "winter" package with heated seats and traction control. Re: 30mpg in your ZX2, better kiss that goodbye. Few ZX3 owners achieve that kind of mileage, for reasons unclear to virtually everyone.

    Schoon - if you shop for a 2000, get the VIN and have a Ford dealer check the OASIS service computer to make sure all the recalls have been done. The standard used car checks apply; otherwise, and I'd look for evidence of water leaks on the passenger's floor, erratic gauge function, noises from the suspension/drivetrain, and suspiciously low fluid levels.
  • ralex2ralex2 Member Posts: 287
    I should have read further back in the posts, and I would have found answers to my questions. Thanks for taking time to answer me Silver. After going back a hundred posts, I think I will scratch the Focus off my list of potential purchases. The general tone of the posts here leaves me with some negtive feelings about the ZX3 and like so many of you, I have had some absolutely disgusting experiences when trying to deal with anyone at Ford above the dealer level. It's as if they feel their job is done when they sell you your first Ford. I'm going to drag my frustrated butt back to the ZX2 goup now, but wanted to express my appreciation for all the info posted in this group.
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    What I meant is that I have not made any changes to the car. No additions or upgrades. Of course, I have to fill it up with regular gas and I have changed the oil and filter at 3000 and 6000 miles. Also had the rear wheel safety recall done but still must go in for the clutch master cylinder, rear seat hasp lock and the "A" pillar change over one day.
  • edm9edm9 Member Posts: 16
    If you believe everything that corporate America (bad) & government agencies (even worse) puts out there (ie Focus gas mileage #s), You're going to be disappointed!!!! Personally I bought the car for the great styling and the incredible potential of turning it into a pocket rocket. I realize this isn't everyone goal. Some people actually bought it because they saw high gas mileage #s. but as I said, those came from corporate America & government agencies.
    I guess I can understand all the griping about mileage. I feel there are bigger fish to fry and the mileage doesn't really matter. When it gets empty I fill it, pretty simple.
    Ford, I think was aiming this car at the generation X'ers (thats what the "X" in ZX3 is to indicate). And, as a whole, that group really doesn't "focus" on gas mileage. They worry more about about getting to class/work on time and when is the snow going to melt so they can rollerblade again.(sorry if that offends) I should say, out of fairness, I'm speaking more of the Gen X'ers I run with.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    The master cylinder/return spring service campaign is certainly worthwhile, even if you aren't having a problem with clutch actuation at this time. The rear seatback hinge is no big deal, so might as well do that one as well. HOWEVER, I would not get the A-pillar recall done unless you have great faith in your service department. This repair often results in broken B-pillar trim pieces and jammed seatbelt retractors, and multiple trips to get those problems dealt with. Several of us have noticed that the replacement pieces don't fit as well as the originals, so think hard before doing this job.
  • jcu1886jcu1886 Member Posts: 39
    I have a 2000 ZX3, 5-speed, 10,500 miles. Gas mileage in all-city, stop-and-go driving is only 20-21 mpg. However, on the open road for trips of 300-600 miles I have been averaging 33 mpg at an average speed of 70-80 mph on interstates. All in all, I am satisfied with the performance vs. mileage tradeoff.

    danderson in Cleveland
  • KicKMan1KicKMan1 Member Posts: 45
    To the extent that there are owners here who are displeased and concerned about their poor fuel economy, you are correct in your opinions. The fact that others are achieving good mileage (at least what FMC claims you should get) shows that there's definitely a problem with some Focuses. Ford will have to step up and correct the problem for us.

    But we can certainly do without the simple-minded approach to this problem as "just fill it up when it gets empty"; or "it's only $300 more per year--deal with it". Some of us are adults with budget priorities and ... ah skip it. The latter approach lets Ford off the hook when they should be stepping up to the plate to correct the problem and please their customers. It's not like we bought these cars out of vending machines.
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    At the age of 54, I think I will take that as a compliment. The ZX3 handles as well as anything I have ever driven, has acceptable power and accelatoration, has good interior room for its size, will haul just about anything with the rear seats down, and to top it off, has great styling. She gets me to work everyday, no matter how much snow has fallen overnight. To top it all off, my dealership take good care of me when it comes to the minor inconviences of the couple of recalls we have had. Even loaned me a car when mine was down to replace rear wheel bearing and spindle.

    Wish that was all I had to worry about, what am I saying. Me worry?
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Go to "www.club-focus.net" and click on links. You will find everything you want there. Hope you have lots of money to spend.
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for the advise. Yes, I have read the problems caused with the "A"-Pillar recall and thus have not been too keen on getting the job done. Never had anyone in my back seat but I may get them to fix it when next I get the car serviced. Clutch is too important to leave undone.
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    20-21 mpg. is a ridiculous figure to obtain with this size vehicle. it is
    a genuine problem that has been reported by many here. i have been
    steadily averaging 25-27,mixed driving. its o.k. and thats all it is,o.k.
    what will ford extract out of the new svt focus? its esentially a re-worked zetec. for 18,000 + , i dont know if its worth it. i wouldnt
    mind the light mpg if it was matched with a performance of a 6. this
    current zetec configuration in the zx3 doesnt cut it. the mpg is poor
    for the performance. just another$.002.
  • bottledowngirlbottledowngirl Member Posts: 1
    i just wanted to comment on the gas milege, although i expected it to get better than 27 mpg i'm fairly satisfied with my zx3 i just bought it and is my very first new car i would recomend this car to anyone specially recomend the 'power package' it's a lil extra but well worth the fun and enjoyment you get outta it!!
  • loolalaloolala Member Posts: 19
    I feel so lucky that I got a very good ZX3. I have it since June 2000, and no problem with it (except the bad battery that comes with it). It has 7300 miles now, the gas mileage is getting even better. From day 1, I have got at least 28 mpg; usually between 28 and 30 mpg. Recently, I noticed that I get 31 mpg. At least 20% of my driving is not on the freeway and it's a stick! My only complains are with the service. I scheduled my two recent recalls a week in advance and specifically made sure they have the parts. I dropped it off the night before, and it turned out they didn't have the parts for the A-pillar recall, so I had to bring it in again. Why couldn't they check and tell me when I was dropping it off? Also, whoever did the A-pillar left a few dirty finger prints which I cannot wipe off in my first attempt. Don't have time to clean them yet!
  • z2benzoz2benzo Member Posts: 18
    For reference, the Feb 19 issue of Automotive News (www.automotivenews.com) has nice article on upcoming SVT. The unit will be sold in both North America and Europe (total production of some 20,000 units) which helps in keeping the price-point relatively low for the pocket-rocket. There is also reference to the ZX5 -- the 5-door hatchback to be built in Hermosillo and available in the fall. The mag also has article on the cool reception the new Civic is getting from the aftermarket and sport-compact car communities.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    It is interesting to read the various articles published recently about the upcoming SVT Focus. It almost seems that Ford made a "to do" list of things gone wrong with the U.S. spec ZX3, and set out to right the wrongs:
    1. Substantially redesigned 2.0 Zetec, with higher compression cast aluminum pistons, variable valve timing on the intake cam, bigger valves, two-stage intake manifolding, larger exhaust (with an under car catalyst!), and forged connecting rods (7600 rpm redline!)
    2. Four-wheel disk brakes and ABS from the Euro-spec Focus
    3. 17" wheels and a lowered, stiffer suspension, also courtesy of the Euro-spec Focus
    4. Even the seats and additional instrumentation (oil temp and pressure gauges) are pirated from the European version
    See a pattern here? Looks like SVT will be selling us the car that our cousins across the pond have been enjoying all along. As you'd expect, all these goodies aren't free, and the $18K-$20K price projected for the SVT is in line with what Europe pays for their better-equipped versions of the Focus. Now, if the rest of the car gets fussed over as well, and is assembled with a bit of extra care, we might finally have the car most of us were hoping for from the beginning. IF it is backed up by sales and service people who really know and care about the product -- and this is the Big "If". Fuel economy? Don't ask. I suspect SVT customers don't care as much for "mpg" as they do "mph".
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Regarding lower-than-expected fuel economy, our little friend the upshift light may be a clue. The only other car I've owned that came with one of these lights was my 1983 Rabbit GTI (remember those?). I did some research back then, and read that VWoA was able to claim higher city/highway mpg numbers on the window sticker in exchange for installing this gizmo in their cars. It wasn't that the cars would actually achieve the advertised mileage, it was just that the EPA bought the argument that enough people would follow the light and short shift their cars, resulting in better mpgs. Just another example of governmental/corporate smoke and mirrors...
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
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  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    My sticker (2000 Focus sedan (?) with automatic) says: "City MPG 25. Actual mileage will vary with options, driving conditions, driving habits, and vehicle condition. Results reported to EPA indicate that the majority of vehicles with these estimates will achieve between 21 and 29 mpg in the city and between 26 and 36 on the highway".

    It goes on to say: "Highway MPG 31. For Comparison Shopping all vehicles classified as COMPACT have been issued mileage ratings ranging from 15 to 42 mpg city and 21 to 49 mpg highway".

    That is also what my sticker said when I purchased the ZX3. City 25 + or - mpg, and Highway 31 + or - mpg and that actual mpg will vary. That is the range that I am falling in. I think it is also the range most of us are falling in. Those of us who live in the City and drive in the City get 25 + or - mpg in stop and go city conditions and those of us who live in the boonies get 31 + or - mpg in hammer down 65 to 75 mph nonstop turnpike conditions if we have the vehicle described above. Don't understand why the EPA portion of my sticker describes a sedan when the vehicle is a ZX3. Guess the EPA considers the XZ3 a two door sedan.

    Don't know what the sticker said for a manual tranny. Couldn't find one at the time and wasn't looking for one either. Glad I got the automatic. Very happy with the automatic. Can hit 60 mph in second gear in under 10 seconds and the handling is great on the back roads and in the snow. Got exactly what I wanted!
  • playathug21playathug21 Member Posts: 20
    hi all, if uve noticed im really into modding and am looking for the perfect car. i have heard many great things of the ZX3, the Civic, Integra, etc. (i know my mod cars) but i was wondering:
    a- is the focus reliable or is it like the old american car generalization: unreliable and gas-hogging)
    b- is there a large selection of mods for this car?
    c- does anyone know when the SVT focus gonna be available?

    thx all, more questions might crop up =[
  • focusport1focusport1 Member Posts: 6
    Thanks pcleveland2 for the tip on the focus web sight. I appreciate it.
  • trevatreva Member Posts: 39
    For those living in the SF Bay Area, I just got my
    z back from getting both the A-Pillar recall and the rear-seat hinge recall work done. They were very good : only took 1.5h. And I checked that the B-pillar, seat-belt retractors and all is fine.
    Just thought I'd mention Palo Alto Ford service department. Credit due to them, I think they're very good, and have had all my dealings with them.

    I did also mention the stumbling at 2k rpm, and as such they hooked it up to their "ECG" equivalent, but couldn't find any computer error codes or apparent misfiring. Apparently, I was the first customer to mention this 2k-stumbling issue ! Anyway, for the moment, I guess I'm reassured a little more.

    treva
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Have them check the injector wiring harness. Some have found a short or broken wire in the harness.

    It is also my understanding that FMC is working on this problem, but regretfully this is hearsay which I can not verify.
  • eauxdomeauxdom Member Posts: 3
    I have read many postings regarding the Focus. I am considering purchasing this vehicle but have a question regarding the 2000 model vs. the 2001.

    1. Is there a difference in the zetec engine, 2000 vs. 2001?
    2. Has the clunking from the front end that many have reported been identified?
    3. Is the fuel economy acceptable as I see feast or famine reports describing fuel economy.
    4. Is the 5-20W oil for the 2000 and the 2001 model Focus?

    I have the opportunity to purchase a 2000 Kona/Focus at a great savings ($14200 and low interest rate that amounts to $1090.00 over the loan period) vs. a new 2001. The Kona has had all recall work of the 2000 model completed (built in July 2000). Is the quality difference between the 2000 and 2001 worth what will ultimately be $2000.00 difference in the purchase of the 2001 over the 2000?

    I am cordially soliciting input from both the 2000 and 2001 owners.

    Thanks,

    RKO
  • jimmyfocuszx3jimmyfocuszx3 Member Posts: 65
    FDonna - I am not sure who you were correcting, but if you were correcting me that is ok. But is funny how the numbers and the math worked out isn't it??? [see post# 958 & 959]
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    1. According to the information I have been given there is a difference. The 2001 Zetec is built to tighter tolerances.
    2. Think that depends on the quality of the dealership and if the vehicle in question has been in the dealerships shop. I personally have no experence with the clunking you refer to.
    3. See msg # 989. I average 29 mpg overall. Don't live in city.
    4. The 5w20 oil IS ONLY FOR 2001 Zetec motors. I asked at Master Tech about this and he said not to put it in the 2000 Zetec. It is used in the 2001 Zetec because the motor is built to tighter tolerances than the 2000. The oil has to get into tighter places.

    Can't answer you question as to should I buy. Man, that your choice! Personally, I'd be waiting for the RS Focus Ralley model 170 hp with european tuned suspension. If it ever gets here. and if Ford keeps the price down around the current versions.
  • focusfaqfocusfaq Member Posts: 7
    Hi,

    I've recently updated the Focus FAQ I am putting together. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions anybody might have. The URL is:

    http://users.ev1.net/~sturgeon/car/focus/faq/focus-faq.htm

    You can contact me at the address below.

    Thanks!
    Jon
    focusfaq@ev1.net
  • kulshankulshan Member Posts: 4
    Is demand for the Focus outstripping the supply? I just paid a midnight visit to a local dealer (to avoid salesmen entanglements) and saw that they had a $1995 dealer mark-up above and beyond the MSRP. I glanced at the local listings at www.nwautosource.com and say that many of the dealers seem to be selling bare bones ZX3's for about $2000 more than MSRP. (I'm in Seattle, FYI.)

    I did find a dealer in one of the 'burbs, Issaquah, that had two bare bones ZX3's (the model I want) for about $100 below MSRP, so I'll head over there tomorrow.

    I was just wondering if anyone knows if Focus sales are so strong that a 15% mark-up is warranted.
  • melissamelissa Member Posts: 27
    I know a lot of you have interest in the Focus SVT. So you may want to check the discussion out devoted to the SVT.
  • fgaydosfgaydos Member Posts: 319
    I would be shocked if they could get that kind of markup. After all, the economy is supposed to be in dire straights. It should be a buyers market. I think the longer you wait the better you can deal from a strong point.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    You have got to be kidding! Dealers here in Houston can't give away ZX3s - I check the lots frequently, and the inventory rarely changes. Must be typical crazy Seattle pricing (I lived there for a year, and moved back to TX... the NW is too rich for my blood). Might be worth your while to make a deal in a more consumer-friendly part of the country, and road-trip your way home.
  • tallmomtallmom Member Posts: 7
    We visited a Ford dealership today here in Dallas. They had two identical silver 2000 ZX3 Kona Mountain Bike Editions with exactly the same equippment. The MSRP (according to Edmunds)is supposed to be $16,790. They would not budge from $16,700! This car is a 2000. In Mom math that's 2 years old! We also priced a base but with automatic 2001 ZX3. They weren't about to move from the MSRP. Said there was little or no mark-up in the car. I plan to fax them your posting and the info I have gathered from edmund's. Certainly they are free to set their prices as they choose; but I figure these guys need a reality check. I will get myself a plane ticket and drive my bargain back to "Big D".
  • northguynorthguy Member Posts: 14
    My ZX3 had a MSRP of 14620 and I bought it for 13705 which is about 100 under invoice. At the time the dealer said he would order anything else I might want and sell it to me at invoice. I opted to buy the one ZX3 he had on the lot since he allowed me to test drive it extensively and while driving it I had that lucky feeling, (you know, the feeling that says, "this one's not a lemon."). The car now has about 2000 miles on it and I have nothing negative to report. It's a fun car to drive, it's comfortable to sit in, the gas mileage is about what I expected (25-32), and it rides like a much bigger higher priced vehicle. If the car continues to perform as it has to date, it just might turn out to be the best disposable vehicle I've ever owned. Time will tell.
  • zx3sangriazx3sangria Member Posts: 1
    The Feb. 26 issue of Autoweek Magazine says the 5-door Focus will be introduced into the North American market this fall. I've seen lot's of them in Europe, and I have to say it's a better looking car with 5-doors. A small picture was included with the article. I'll be purchasing one as soon as they appear. Can't wait.
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