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I have a GTS-Auto, and my time is just shy of 10 seconds (using E-shift to 8200 RPM). Auto magazine reviews, back when the car came out, indicate the GTS-manual comes in at 7.4 sec. I wouldn't be surprised if the GT-manual comes in at within a second of the GTS. As for the automatics, it seems the GT is quicker. It all comes down to the torque curve and it seems to me the GTS engine was a waste of development money. It definetly needs some torque in the low end.
Different magazines have different testing procedures. I remember reading in one magazine (I think that it might have been Autoweek) that their 0-60 testing procedure was done with a full tank of gas, and two passengers (I assume that they use a specific amount of weight for the second passenger to adjust for differing weights of the driver). If another magazine does its tests with only a driver and empty tank of gas, its times would be significantly lower.
Therefore, you can compare 0-60 times to each other only when they come from the same source.
Tom
http://www.analogman.com/911/torquehp.htm
Tom
It seems to me that even more important factor for getting good 0-60 is getting car into performance mode - the computer alledgedly analyzes driver's style and adjusts whatever there is to adjust accordingly. Try to drive slowly for a while, and then floor the accelerator - acceleration will be lousy. Then drive roughly for a while and try again - you will notice real difference. It is probably true for manual also.
The blindspot was greatly diminished this time, mainly due to the fact that I had the driver's seat in a comfortable and far back position. Before, I had the salesman behind me so I couldn't scoot the seat back all the way.
Also, there was plenty of headroom. This was in a Celica without a sunroof mind you, but after the drive I got into one with a sunroof and I still seemed to fit fine without touching the ceiling.
Anyway thanks for the comments. I'm still looking to hear about different soundsystems and sub woofer shaking...
That being said, I have 2000 miles on my 2000 Celica GTS. Sometimes there is a slight rattle from the moonroof cover, and I just started getting a little rubbing feeling in the brakes. I'll have to take it in, but I wonder if perhaps I got a warped rotor or similar. The car drives like a dream otherwise.
I have a 2001 Celica GT with 3000 miles on it. The visibilty for lane changes is certainly limited, but between adjusting the mirrors out and just getting used to it I don't have any serious problems anymore. I do have to admit however, that backing up is an adventure.
As far as reliability, Toyota and Honda have the best reputations in the business. My personal experience with Toyota has been great. My Celica has had no problems and my 92 Tercel has 130,000 miles with no problems.
I can't help you with the sound system. I bought the standard 6 speaker system and am very happy with it. I guess I'm just not a connosieur.
Overall, I am very happy with my Celica. The acceleration could be better, but I'm already afraid I'm going to be getting a lot of tickets, so it's probably just as well. The handling is outstanding. I purposely search out curvy back roads so I can really push it. All in all, a real blast to drive.
Oh, and concerning headroom. I'm 6 feet tall and fit just fine, but when I sat in a sunroof model, it did brush my hair.
Upshot: If you want the best rep for safety buy the Volvo. If you want the best rep for reliability, not to mention a lot of fun and great looks, buy the Celica.
As far as being safety conscious, the superb handling and brakes make the Celica a very safe car. I feel that a vehicle's ability to avoid an accident is more important than how many air bags blow up in your face if you screw up.
My mother (who would kill me if I revealed her age) has driven nothing but red, sporty cars (Camaro, 240SX convertible, and Firebird) for the last 15 years. By the way, I am almost 30 and my mother was -1 when I was born. She was on the cover of "Weekly World News" with the headline: "Woman gives birth to child before conception!" You are only as young as you feel.
Tom
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You can talk about great Toyota and Honda reliabilityI - but I also have Mercury Grand Marquise, which has 70K and is 6 years old - I had no real problems with that, only tape player was replaced in the beginning, and recently I got new front brakes. And it is a great car - I have hard time believing that Celica can cost as much as this street ship, - but you are not going to have much fun in it, it is a serious luxury transportation, great for the family.
How are insurance costs on your celicas, any particular companies offer the best deals?
Anna
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Who wouldn't love a BMW? Are you suggesting that the best features of a celica can be found in a competitive price range Beamer? I have to admit I didn't even check it out-I need to stay well below $30,000. I'm figuring on around 25K for the celica, with lots of goodies, fun driving and and good looks (though maybe not as classy as the BMW!). Maybe if that lottery ticket comes through. Anna
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The car is noisy and you can't see out the back? Anyone buying stealthy sports car won't see much problem with the degree of these attributes this car presents. Think about it: Everyone looks at this ultra-cool car as it goes by. So, to create such a beautiful look, the car will suffer with viewability. I got used to it pretty quickly.
Plastic in the dash? Who isn't using all this plastic today?
I will give into the fact that due to the gear ratio, you're either racing or putsing in this car. That is true. There isn't a great "medium" method to driving around.
All in all, this car is unique with that combination, and it should be analyzed as such---aimed at a true enthusiast who appreciates the combination.
Man the editors are hoity toity...too loud? So I gotta turn the radio up a little bit. Sheesh, Edmund's is a little overboard. I think ya'll might be happy driving around Volvo sedans so you can see well around you, and the noise level will be non-offensive.
Am I a little off the wall here guys, or am I more right than wrong?
has anyone replaced their clutch yet? how much would a complete job cost, new clutch, pressureplate, flywheel refinishing? i think by the wear so far i will need to replace it around 30k miles.
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Obviously you should get what you want on your car. I just wanted to let you know that my GT with cruise and power locks/windows was less than 17K. When you start loading it up obviously the dealer's gonna nail you. I know a stripped BMW won't be anywhere close. And by the way, a 325i better looking than a Celica? Please!
Anna - That 28k # may have been the price of the car "out the door". Anyway, good luck in whatever you decide to do. Take care.
Remember, you're buying a car -- not the mystique.
Suspention/handling - unmatched
Power - Anyone can add HP
Style - You better believe it
Overall road feel - Again, you better believe it
If my main concern was reliability, I would buy a civic. Which, by the way, is the best car around for the money (in my opinion).
I love them. They are great road cars with impeccable handling, eager engines and pleasant styling. (Why only "pleasant"? Because I think they need to get the edge back into their designs -- which apparently they are planning to do, based on their latest concept cars).
And I agree -- if reliability were the only factor in buying a car, I would never have bought my four Alfas nor my Lotus Europa.
How-some-ever....engineering excellence extends to use of materials, longevity, maintenance and overall reliability, and in that regard, the Germans still take a back seat to Honda and Toyota.
As for driving excitement -- have you ever tried a Supra TT, 300ZX, NSX or S2000? And guess what? They're all reliable too!
Besides -- anybody who can shell out $25k can get a three-year old 5-series around here. I don't call that prestige, do you?
I prefer to drive a car because of the way that it drives, not to fulfill some goofy image thing. I usually try to avoid telling people I own a Porsche, and, when I do, I try to emphasize how old and inexpensive it is (It's 23 years old with a salvage title, and I inherited it from my father). I love driving it, and I don't care about what people think of me when I do. At least I am young enough that I don't have to deal with the mid-life crisis stereotype.
Since this IS the Celica forum, I will say that you should get whatever you want. You can get a really good Celica for less than the cheapest BMW (unless you buy used). It doesn't matter what you drive, as long as you are happy with it.
Tom
Guess I'm a snob too, huh? =O)
The Celica sticks out regardless, in any crowd.
Of course, this can be bad too. I just got my first speeding ticket on Memorial Day. I was doing 77 in a 65. Did the cop pull over the SUV that was tailgating me at the time? Nope. I've never even been pulled over before. I didn't even get a warning, just a $100 ticket. Boy, was I pissed. Stupid cop probably just had to meet his ticket quota for the day.
Ok, I'm done venting now.
I went with the traffic law center thing - where they go to court for you and plea bargain. It cost me like $180, but my record shows a citation for parking on a one-way street or something.
I don't think it was the fact that my car 'stuck-out' though, I was crossing over 3 lanes...
The Celica is reliable and I'm sure a good performer. The styling is even good if you like the "Sporty" look. I never cared for it myself. I grew out of that when I was about 16. Cougers, talons etc.....Please. Let's take 100 so called "Non enthusiasts" and see if they would rather have a 325i or a Celica GT...money aside.
Now you are mixing up different things - I am ONLY saying that Celica gets more attention than BMW. And you are talking about making a choice - and this is not only about looks. Everyone who can afford Accord can buy Celica - but they have chosen Accord for practical reasons, I think most of the Accord owners can admit that this car is not catching much attention. So, if you add Accord to Celica and 325i, most of your "Non enthusiasts" will have Accord. Does it mean that Accord gets more attention? I guess not. Perhaps they grew up of 325i too.
That's what I liked about the A4 when it first came out -- it was spunky, beautiful and very few people owned one. My kinda car....
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Anybody know why there is a shortage of GTS 6spd at the north east coast? I am looking to buy one and apperently Toyota stopped making them for the 2001 model year?
Get serious. Go out on the street and ask everyone who walks by. You'll find plenty of people who don't care for the Bimmer look.
"Let's take 100 so called "Non enthusiasts" and see if they would rather have a 325i or a Celica GT...money aside. "
Man you're hurting yourself. Among the general public this would be a landslide in favor of a Celica. And I personally would LOVE a Bimmer.
its says the " 16'' 5-spoke rims" are only available on the GTS.
Is there a reason for this. I'm not paying $4000 more for the GTS, im
not planning on racing or anything. i just think those wheels look better.
if i cant get them on a GT, i probably wont buy the car. Maybe a tacoma or civic.
If anyone has these rims on their GT. please respond. thanks
If not, just buy the GT with the cheapest wheels available and buy yourself a nice set of rims on your own. 17s would look really outstanding on the car, IMO.
When I went to test drive the Celica I was so impressed by handling and breaks. I used to drive this Chevy Cavalier when I was taking the driving school. Man, that car sucks so bad compared to the Celica. No wonder I had trouble making turns etc. I just had no feel for the road. The Celica is another thing. You just KNOW how to drive it - super intuitive car. I'm just so impressed.
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