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Is the AWD an add on option?
Is it as low to the ground as the 2.4?
I5 168 hp
V70 2.4T 197hp I5 turbo, auto or Geartronic only
V70 XC 197hp I5 turbo, Geartronic only.
AWD, Ground Clearance 8.5 inches(reg V70 5.5 inches)
V70 T5 247 hp I5 turbo, Geartronic or manual(also rare) can have sport suspension also bigger brakes and sport seats.
The 2.4 is the basic wagon and feels like it.
2.4T is the best value, most features for a reasonable price.
The XC is the most comfortable, has the best ride and is best for resale. Its the most popular wagon.
The T5 is the most fun to drive, feels like a sports car with a big trunk.
Current plan, new S80 2006, maybe 2007.
New S60/V70 1 yr later.
In the meantime for 2005 all Volvo's will get body colored moldings(yea!!)
According to Volvo, the S60 was concieved first but management wanted a replacement for the aging 960/S90 cars.
The 850 had just been refreshed to the S70 so the S60 proj was shelved and the S80 went forward.
The S60 arrived 2 years later, and would have arrived sooner if not for the teething pains suffered by the S80.
So, if a new S80 arrives in 2006, there is no reason that a new S60 couldn't arrive 1 yr later.
It would capitalize on the interest in the redesigned S80 and offer the new features/engines that Volvo is working on.
Hardly a mistake.
Does anyone have thoughts on swapping in longer life pads?
Any thoughts on this brake pad issue?
Thanks.
It's been many years since I've gone there, but it always seemed that it was never just the brake pads that had to be replaced. "Sir, the rotors are too far gone to be turned - yes even with only 20K on the car. Oh and one caliper is sticking and since they're only sold in pairs you gotta replace both. We also noticed..." YMMV.
As for longer life pads, there are always some tradeoffs with changing pad types. More dust, noise, et al can occur.
2 tone paint is what distinguished the car from the regular XC.
Also a higher feature content, but mostly trim items. A different pattern alloy wheel.
The SE's were the last versions of the old V70's built.
I'm not a huge Midas fan, and also found that the "free pads for life" deal wasn't all that fruitful.
Furthermore i've had several non-dealer Volvo specialists tell me that non-Volvo brake pads are unpleasantly noisy. Looks like it's something I'll have to live with. Numerous friends are having the same experience, though thus far we've had no other repair problems...and many of these cars are approaching 100k miles.
In other words are you easing down the gas pedal or hitting it hard and fast?
Given the digital throttle on the V70 and its economy program default , if you ease into it I can see how you would feel the "stumble-lag" feeling.
Hit the pedal hard to activate the sport shift program and I think you will see better results.
By activating the sport program the car downshifts faster and further in order to bring the boost up quicker. This will give you more immediate power.
In the economy program, the boost creeps up slowly because the car doesn't downshift until a certain threshhold is reached.
This is why the car seems to stumble and build power slowly.
It is very different from the 960, but the V70 2.4T is much quicker than the 960 was, you just need to drive it a little differently.
I am going to try the dealer again , or try to find another opinion , I simply cannot believe this thing is as designed. Incidentally I know about Turbo lag, I drove a Toyota Turbo Pickup for several years , this is not Turbo lag .. Probably its the electronics trying to anticipate what I want it to do based on how I have driven it . The way it is , I simply cannot stand it for very much longer..and that is gonna cost me a lot of money.
Thanks .. Hank
I don't really have much lag from a standing start , that is OK , but going from drive to coast around 35 to 45 mph is terrible.(And that seems to be how traffic moves around here). Driving at constant speed or acceleration without having to coast is just fine. Lag , stumble , and CLUNK, sometimes even a shuddering oscillation when the drive train takes up the slack going from coast to drive. I have never owned a car with this much slop in the drive train, and the disengagement of the xmisssion is no help.(Probably why the T5 drivers with manual xmission love their cars)
You and I agree the 960 is head and shoulders above this vehicle in driving pleasure.
Oh Well ..Even my wife is ready to trade at 3500 miles , and she is a Volvo lover for the safety.
Thanks
So, IMHO a final sale price would be something like an Edmunds private sale price for a V70 LESS the excess miles PLUS maybe $500 for the T70 package providing that all services have been done, the new tires (he did put on new sneakers at 40K, right?) are at least OEM equivalent, not K Mart private label, and maybe he will throw in his four mounted and balanced winter Blizzaks over in the corner of the garage.
I'm not sure what you mean by "drive to coast"??? Are you talking about going downhill? I have had my V70 2.4t for about a year now and have never experienced what you describe (I wonder if your transmission needs adjustment)? I used to have a 1989 740 GL manual, so the main thing I notice about the automatic is how it loves to run downhill!
Dave
Any pros or cons about your ownership experience?
I have heard good and bad about this car as compared to the turbo wagons and the XC70, and decided to go for it, rather than spending $90 more/month for the XC70 (my first choice) or a Chrysler Pacifica (new to the market, but heavily discounted due to poor marketing by Chrysler).
Whether or not they have any in stock for immediate purchase/lease is another story, but you can always place a factory order/allocation (I just ordered my V70 in mid-August, for delivery in mid-November).
Check Volvo's site for details (under Financial Services) or better even, go to www.flyvolvo.com (a dealer near SanFrancisco that specializes in OSD). This site has current OSD pricelists for MY2004.
Meaning a dealer must request that the car be built.
They are not part of the normal allocation process.
The reason dealers don't order the car is that it isn't any less expensive than the XC70, and it lacks the XC70's ground clearance and offroad ability.
Resale on this model will not be as good as the XC70's for the same reason.
When I was pricing out my Volvo V70 order, I was comparing the prices between the V70 AWD and the XC70 (in the hopes that it would be cheaper than the XC70 price tag), and I remember that they were practically identical in pricing.
But, as you've seen there really isn't any savings.
Of course, a big subset of those same consumers (again, myself included) would, if they had the means, step up to the V70R. :-)
Of course, in my case that's all academic...my '89 740 is getting along just fine, thanks, and I certainly don't have the funds for a new V70 base model, let alone the V70R!
:-)
I wish Volvo would just drop the AWD model, its a waste of components.
More aggressive mud and snow tires and more ground clearance on the XC70.
What specifically don't you like about the base system? I'm sure that if you describe what you don't like in specifics you'll get some decent aftermarket recommendations here in this forum.
Good luck.
-rollie
rdollie@att.net
Today I tried locking it in both 3rd gear and 4th gear and that did not help anything ... Its 112 in Phoenix today and I dont feel like hassling with the dealer until it cools off !!!!
Rgds... k7hp