Pontiac Montana

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  • redtrain65redtrain65 Member Posts: 24
    Our 2000 Venture has sqeaks and rattles in the passenger side door and is getting worse. The bad part is that it has been the least of my worries. At 20,000 miles it has been towed to 3 dealers for not starting 5 times (no one seems to be able to figure out why), power window problems, starting problems, etc.....
  • mizeumlmizeuml Member Posts: 50
    We have had nothing but problems with ours and I am tired of taking it to the dealer to get it fixed. We have been to the dealer over 20 times in 2.5 years, we have a '99 Montana. We have had all kinds of problems, luckily nothing major like a transmission. I am getting ready to have the Intake Manifold Gasket replaced, this will be a big job, but hopefully the mechanics won't screw something else up while fixing the problem. Our biggest problem is an small oil leak that runs down the oil pan and blows back onto the transmission pan. After at least 8 attempts, the problem still exists and I have given up hope on trying to fix it. We have been round and round with GM and the Area Vehicle Manager and they will do nothing because they consider it NORMAL. The AVM was horrible to work with and really turned me off to GM. And if you don't like his take on the situation, you're screwed because there is no one above him that you can talk to. The folks on the 1-800 line ought to know me by my first name. We have had other problems like the smelly A/C (still problem), Air Bag Light on (3 times), squeaky seats with lumbar support, RH outside mirror loses adjustment (2 times), A/C compressor replaced, third brake light lens cracked, handles fell off middle row captain seats, intermittent starting problems (problem not found), stalling problems (problem not found), intermittent A/C blower cuts out (problem not found), rear main seal replaced (crankcase seal), rear A/C unit drain in body panel sealed shut from factory. We have owned GM's all our life except for the 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan we had before the Montana and the '92 Honda Accord. I question the reliability of GM's newer vehicles after this van. Sure we had a few problems with the Caravan, but not as many as the Montana. Maybe we are just spoiled after owning the Honda Accord because that car had no problems.

    Buy what you want, but I know what I won't be buying again. I would have been willing to buy another GM if the AVM and the dealership would have been more understanding to work with, but they really turned me off when they told me that an oil leak is normal and they are not going to do anything about it. I really think the root cause of the problem is a flatness problem on the engine block since 2 new oil pans could not fix the problem. I guess we'll never know since GM is not going to do anything about it.

    Good luck!
  • barlobarlo Member Posts: 23
    Can anyone tell me if the Thunder Package is available in Canada. I have yet to see one on the road or at any dealership. I saw one last year at the Detroit Auto Show, but haven't seen one since. Thanks
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    My family grew up with Pontiacs, and my father now has 3 bonnevilles he likes them so much!

    I have a new family member and think we could use a van for future family members and normal home depot runs and camping, etc.

    I won't be putting a lot of milage on the van (i have 2k on my truck in seven months), and I'm a good mechanic with a lot of tools, so I was considering getting a used van like a 94-97 hopefully for less than $5k. No depreciation on such a used vehicle, no payments and it should fit my needs. I'm not super concerned about a flawless vehicle, wife and I both play soccer and kids will too, plus going to Home Depot for mulch, etc will not help the interior. I'm replacing a std cab pickup. I have a few questions about the GM vans I was hoping folks could help me with:

    What year did they stop making the plastic panels, and did they have problems?
    What year was the 3.8 motor optional?
    What is normal fuel milage for the 3.8 Highway and mixed?
    Anything else I should know, cool options to look for on my used van?

    My father's bonneville 3.8 (not supercharged) gets 27+mpg on the highway going 80mph. I am hoping since the drivetrain is the same just about to get reasonable milage.

    Thanks,

    DD
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Hello -

    I have seen a '97 P TS in autotrader. Guy wants $8900 (top dollar) for a white one with 50k miles on it. Says the only engine maintenance to the vehicle has been put a new belt on it. Has dual AC, not sure of other options, its 50 miles away and I haven't gone there yet.

    Resale on these things does not appear to be stellar (sorry) but that means they are a great value, right? What would a reasonable offer given that dealers never pay blue book for a trade - I don't want to offend him but if I had cash and its before Christmas.... maybe $5k?

    Also, the reveiw of this vehicle is much more positive than the earlier ones. Hmm... I guess I was stupid to want to look at those early ones.

    What sort of MPG is anyone getting?

    Thanks for everything (is anyone here??)

    DD
  • barlobarlo Member Posts: 23
    Hi dirkdaddy, yea someone is here. I couldn't help you with your search as I am from Canada and as you know are pricing is a lot different unfortunately. We have what is called a black book instead of blue book and no where is it posted on the net like the kelly blue book. Good luck with your search. Barlo
  • ken41ken41 Member Posts: 4
    Does anyone have a model with VersaTrak? Our lease is up this month and we finally located a 2002 with AWD. It seems like they are just starting to make them and mostly MontanaVision ones are coming out.

    Ken41
  • hardestyhardesty Member Posts: 166
    We have had a Silhouette Premiere AWD since mid September and love it! The handling on the AWD is way better than our 1999 FWD was (and it served very well in several emergency situations). We still have not seen another AWD on the road (or at dealers) in norhtern CA.
  • jpwisemanjpwiseman Member Posts: 11
    There was a post awhile back about an inoperative keyless remote that suddenly stopped working. Mine has done the same thing. New battery in both remotes but nothing. The rest of the electric door lock system works (5 sec delay to lock, etc.)
    Anyone had any experience on this and what the problem was?
    We love our '99 extended with 64,000 miles.
  • hardestyhardesty Member Posts: 166
    The transmitters may need to be resynchronized. Press both the LOCK and UNLOCK buttons for at least 7 seconds, then repeat for the other transmitter. If this does not fix the problem, the transmitters may need to be reprogrammed. This is more complicated, so email me if you need instructions.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    After doing more research, I think I may look harder at the newer models such as a '97 Transport for sale locally with 58k for about $8k. Looks clean and fairly well equipped.

    The 3.8, while a excellent engine, does not overcome the previous design shortcomings according to the reviewers. I have yet to get to test drive the latest generation GM van, but will this weekend. Many of the reviews say "fun to drive" which seemed mutually exclusive with "mini-van". I was also surprised to see the 0-60 of the 3.4 below 10 sec - the new Buick Rendevous for instance has same powertrain but is slow - 11 sec 0-60.

    I know the '97 does not have dual doors - a big drawback, but being cheap the lower price of this model is a plus and this isn't our main vehicle, our Maxima is.

    Also surprising is the excellent reliability rating from users like on carpoint.com - where the Transport gets all top marks. Funny how even CR mag shows them as pretty reliable in 90% of the catagories (especially engine/transmission) but they put the van in the "models to avoid used" list. Go figure. I have heard complaints about wind noise.

    The van I'm going to look at supposedly has only had the belt changed since it was new besides scheduled maint. - that is excellent. Our 2000 Maxima (supposedly one of the best cars) just had a oxygen sensor go out on it at 11 months and 12k into its life.

    The GM transmissions are also much better than the competitions, that is a big factor.

    DD
  • carleton1carleton1 Member Posts: 560
    Pay very little attention to CR frequency of repair or predicted reliability. For example: Honda Odyssey was a completely new vehicle in 1999 but they used data from previous design to predict reliability whereas for most new vehicles they state "New Design".
    Apparently there are problems with any vehicle. He finally got fed up with the Maxima and traded it in on a NEW 2001 Honda Accord EX 4 cyl. He loved driving the Maxima but got fed up with it being in the dealer for repairs all the time.
    He said the Maxima got the same gas mileage on the highway but had lots more power when needed. I reminded him of the 20 cents per gallon he is saving all the time not buying Premium fuel requred by the Maxima.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    I saw the for sale van. Short WB, white, basic model - no alloys, no cd, no rear air, no extra goodies, etc. Manual seat adjustment. Liked height adjustment even if manual. Dumbazz guy selling had told me over phone it had rear AC when it did not. He was as far from a "car guy" as you can imagine, so I didn't know to yell at him or not. Wife and I gotten stuck in traffic on the long drive to his place and I was a bit peeved at this relevation about the A/C. Live and learn.

    Drove the van in not the best mood, but it was smooth. The high-profile tires and soft springs (esp. in rear) did not make handling a strong point, but I'm not a van driver. The motor pulled acceptably, but seemed a bit reluctant to spin (rev) like the imports. Torque of course was reasonable. Brakes worked ok, but the "brake" light stayed on even with the parking brake released.

    In summary, the driving experience was not enough to make me further consider getting a van, but I bet some better tires and wheels/shocks rear springs/airbags. would make a world of difference.

    The van w/o rear air in Houston is not worth even considering. I think only the longer ones had it a option, going off the pontiac.com web site info for the new ones. I guess I'll have to look at some extended wheelbase models if I keep looking at them.

    Anyway, that's it.
  • baveuxbaveux Member Posts: 175
    A brand new Montana ext base only option added are rear heat and air control and radio with cd cassette and control at rear.
    Very pleasant experience since I did not have to fight for a good price.
    At work we are eligible for a program with GM,so I used it and I end up paying a pretty good price.
    I will take possession of the car January 12 2002.

    I was pushed by the wife and the kids toward the minivan,at first I was reluctant,but the van are much better than before,very confortable and quiet ride,big big surprise for me.

    Now I hope that this van will be as reliable as my Lumina (cars) was.Buying any and I say any brand of car is a craps shot, but I will not loose sleep over that lets enjoy today and dont worry about tomorow!

    Now,lets go back to the montly payment charts....
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Ok, I drove another one and liked it a lot lot better. Its a sister vech - a '98 oldsmobile GLS, the one with all available options. Am buying it from a private party seller. This will be my first van, something I never thought I'd get, but after evaluating alternatives (extended pickup, SUV like Tahoe/Expedition, surburban) this option has much more room, fits in my garage better, gets better gas milage (a big factor) and is easier to get into and out of. We considered the Buick Rend. (a lot more dough but a nice ride), the Mazda/Honda/Ford/Dodge SUV and van alternatives but I grew up with GM cars and its obvious from reading the boards these are basically reliable vans, and Gm makes the best transmission in the world. The thought of having to do major drivetrain repair on a HONDA or Dodge steered me to toward the GM models. My sister had a Ford Winstar that was good but blew a tranny at 75k, and that is not that unusual from what i hear. Anyway, hope for the best with this one.

    The '98 GLS didn't have view screen thing like so many of you have but it has about everything else - dual doors, load leveling, leather, dual air, dual power seats, side air bags, etc etc. My kid is only 6mo old and I can add a aftermarket view screen, I'm pretty handy.

    It was much firmer in the rear with the air shocks than the poncho I drove w/o them and good tires like michelins really make a huge difference in one van being terrible handling and one being decent. And the leather power seats are very pimped out and super comforatble. This is a road tripping baby I tell ya! The thing is super clean and runs straight, brakes straight, great motor condition, etc. I agreed on the purchase wth the owner but will have to get the wife over to see it while I get some money together. The van is super clean even rugs are still new looking, no dents, 60k miles. I got it for $10,900 - a steal in my opinion given the prices on new ones. Blue book ranged from 10.5 to 12.9k, and given the great condition of the van, I'm doing ok. I didn't want to screw the guy at Christmas and he didnt' have to sell right away either, so we compromised. The new vans with 0% and the new features were tempting but for me this is a better use of capital on a depreciated asset, and we won't be driving it all that much.

    I'm going to upgrade to some aftermarket mags to make it look cooler, as the prev. owner has whitewalls on it! Ughhh!!!!!! Puke!!!!. Has anyone gone to a +1 (16" wheel) and if so how do you like it? I figured the base wheel / tire combo the base poncho was the reason I was not sold on the Poncho I drove. PS. You can see what it looks like with different wheels at tirerack.com BTW

    Would also like to add a subwoofer that is out of the way. The van has 4 captains chairs, so it rules out under the second seat -- Any hints appreciated.

    Also, I'm sort of a tweaker on suspensions - I think this van needs a rear sway bar to keep it more neutral handling (not pushing through corners). Has anyone tried this? I've added Addco rear anti-sway bars to my last two vehicles (shadow turbo and dodge truck) and it really helps roadholding and is cheap at like $120.

    DirkDaddy
  • dave231dave231 Member Posts: 17
    I have thought about adding a Bazooka tube all the way in the back on mine. As for the tires I saw a jazzed up Aztek with 16" on it, it looked like a tight squeeze. There is not a whole lot of room in the front wheel well, good luck. I would be interested in a sway bar also and stiffer springs(I tow a boat) but there is not a whole lot of info out there for minivans.
    dave
  • cmkmcmkm Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone seen any reports on if GM will update these minivans in '03? I like the looks of the current ones but do not appreciate the crash test results.

    Thanks!
  • montanafanmontanafan Member Posts: 945
    Last I saw anywhere, no changes til 2005 at the earliest. So it should be the same as the current Montana which the Government rates as the best Station Wagon/Pasenger Vans for collision loss experience. 51% better then average passenger vehicles and 20% better then the Station Wagon/Passenger Van average.
  • alexv1nalexv1n Member Posts: 248
    Where is this info available? I would be interested to see the results. Thanks.
  • montanafanmontanafan Member Posts: 945
    Read the phamplet last time I had my Bonneville serviced. I guess the dealer is required to make them available to any one that asks. It comes out yearly, I think the date on the cover was February. Ask your nearest dealer. I haven't surfed NHTSA to see if it is on line.
  • robsmithrobsmith Member Posts: 71
    Hopefully I'm not posting this twice. I thought I posted this but can't seem to find it.


    Someone posted this on the Odyssey site in response to a question I had.


    http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/96026.htm


    I realize this is for one specific test but it does worry me.


    I did read that they tested a 1997 Pontiac.


    Does anyone know if GM has made any improvements to their vans since '97 that might improve these scores?

  • baveuxbaveux Member Posts: 175
    I just bought a new Montana,I knew about the poor rating,and,so what,there is so many other way to die !!!
    In a sense you got to be lucky to hit a barrier, offset, at 40 mph.

    I'm looking at the result of the side impact and the Montana gets a 5 stars,that good enough for me.

    Peoples dies in big Kenworth truck and also in Geo Metro, so... don't worry and be happy , happy holidays !!!
  • donselldonsell Member Posts: 27
    Hey Rob,

    I replied to your post in the Honda forum. They get kinda touchy there if you honestly discuss the Honda.

    I recently spent some time researching vans, mostly the GM van and the Honda. GM did have that one crash test issue which is a concern. However, from discussing it with my insurance agent the GM van is CHEAPER to insure. Part of that is because the Honda vans seem to be a greater target for thieves, but there does not seem to be a safety issue resulting in higher risk of insurance loss with the GM. If there were significant safety issues with this van, there would be higher insurance costs.

    I asked you to check out the "problems" forum for any of the GM vans. There are none. There is a Honda Problem forums, and a problem forumd for most other makes. It is not that the GM vans are without problems, but it does appear that GM has a much better drive train.

    Depreciation is the other thing to consider. Any new vehicle you purchase will depreciate a lot in the first year. I happend to stumble on an almost new 2001 with 8K miles that the dealer let one of his employees use to make frequent trips to his dying mother. I got it for about $5000 under the original invoice, $9000 under the original sticker. I couldn't see buying new. The GM extended warranty transferred too.

    The problem with these forums is that we all try to justify the choice we made. I think you'll find that there are a couple of good choices in mini vans out there, some really bad ones, and no perfect ones. Just try to cut through the bull and objectivly consider all the issues. You'd be okay with either the Honda or the GM. I chose GM and I think I would have if I had bought new.
  • robsmithrobsmith Member Posts: 71
    Part of me would like to think GM would have weeded out most of the major problems since this is the same model since '97.

    I checked out the Honda problems discussion and do see they can have problems as well.

    I think the biggest downfall is the depreciation of the GM's but I'm hoping my $2300 GM dollars will help some.

    While I think the Honda resale value will remain good I do wonder what the increased production will do to it?

    It's a tough decision it may come down to who gives me the best deal. I have to deal with a trade in as well.

    Thanks for you help.
  • bcd99bcd99 Member Posts: 45
    Don't forget about the option of getting an Olds Silo. Rebates and such make the Silo a great choice $ wise and extended warranty makes it hard to pass up. My 01 is great, but really would love an 02 with dual power sliders. I enjoy the high stance the GM triplets have versus the lower car like stance that the Hondas have.
  • donselldonsell Member Posts: 27
    No problem. For me depreciation isn't the main concern. I tend to drive my vehicles for a long time and maintain them well. I've generally had good luck with all my cars.

    Let's face it, anytime you buy a car it's a crap-shoot. You could have problems, but that shouldn't be an indictment on ALL cars of that make and model. There are some that seem to have more problems then they should, but most seem pretty reliable.

    bcd99 had good advice. Mine is a Silo. I love the way it rides. I get to take it on it's first trip over the holidays and I'm actually looking forward to spending the 8 hours I have to travel with the wive, 3 boys and the dog locked in the little space!

    Keep us posted on what you decide to do.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Hello -

    I had posted recently, thought I'd follow up.

    I drove a '98 olds and it was better equipped and better tired, had rear self leveling - was much better than a much lesser equipped shorter wheelbase Trans Sport I had tried.

    I would definately consider the olds. Its about the same exact van, and I think the warrenty is longer and the equipment is different.

    The ride is ok, would like more damping in the rear but would have to do major mods to get a 2nd shock mount back there, have to live with it.

    I'm not dissin' the Pontiac, these vans are about the same.

    I am looking at aftermarket wheels for it to spiff it up some.

    DD
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    GM minivans (for the first time) to offer AWD for 2002.

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  • yzfyzf Member Posts: 65
    I've got a 2001 Olds Silo Premiere - lucked out in that I found one with dual power sliding doors. These are truly hard to find in the 2001 model year!! At 6 months of severe driving (i.e., stop-n-go and around town), the van has been GREAT! Only two minor glitches, both easily repaired by the dealer under warranty. One was a stuck A/C flap that didn't let the driver's side climate get real cold (merely cool). The other was a clicking noise from the PRNDL indicator that was swapped out. Other than than, van has been flawless. Smooth ride and way more features for the money than Honda, DC, or any others. When I was shopping for a minivan - I wasn't brand loyal to one badge. I shopped based on price, features and reliability.

    With regards to the major components (i.e., engine and transmission), some detractors note that the 3.5 liter V6 push rod engine and transmission from GM are old technology. I agree - but old is not bad. The reliability track record for these older engines is phenomenol. Look at the repair history of the drivetrain components for many of these minivans - GM's are, by far, the best for reliability. By comparison, if you get 60,000 out of a Chrysler without major meltdown, you're lucky.

    Good luck in shopping and have a great holiday!
  • rgamonrgamon Member Posts: 1
    My wife loves her 1994 Transport; however, it has a problem no one has been able to solve. When driving anywhere between 25-70 MPH, it unexpectedly shuts down -- just as if someone cut off the key. No power, we have to manually steer off to the side of the road. Sometimes the Transport will restart immediately after shifting into park. Other times, it may need to sit for 5-10 minutes before restarting. It always cranks, just sometimes won't start for a few minutes. This may occur as often as twice a week. We've had this problem for over 3 years and invested hundreds of dollars to no avail. With three trips to the Pontiac dealer, they claim they cannot duplicate the problem. This month we left the van with them for a week and they claim they hooked up a data recorder but could not duplicate the malfunction. Four days later, it quit again. In addition to Pontiac, we've taken this vehicle to 3 other reputable garages, which also could not duplicate the malfunction. Obviously, we're thoroughly frustrated -- does anyone have any idea what this problem might be -- something that would have eluded GM and other top mechanics?
  • offhamoffham Member Posts: 344
    Having read your message, sounds like the fuel is cutting out. The prolonged cranking to get it going is to get enough fuel from the tank to the engine.

    Have you ever had the fuel filter changed since you had the van ?

    If when running it goes OK at all speeds etc and nothing else seems wrong such as engine, then unless some bogey electrical problem, it would appear that the fuel is not getting to the engine.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Hello, hope I can help. I have just recently got a GM van but read through quite a few postings.

    It seems that some folks have had trouble with the fuel pump wiring being corroded or otherwise not making good connection all the time. That would cause problems like you are having.

    Have someone check the condition of the wires to the fuel pump and check the power using a tester.

    Other engine problems will be reported in the computer memory.

    DD
  • catamcatam Member Posts: 331
    I agree that the most likely problem is the fuel pump based on other posts. Here is a list of other likely suspects:
    1) ignition coil, when these are going out the can be very intermittent. I believe the 94s still just had one coil for all 6 cylinders.
    2) Intermitent contact in ignition system, (short). The easist way I can think of to check if this is the problem is, the next time you experience a shutdown, pull a spark plug wire, stick a screwdriver in the boot so it makes contact, then hold the screwdriver very close (less than 0.050 inch) to a grounded engine component. Then have someone crank the engine, if you see a spark, then this is not the problem, if no spark, then it is a good possiblity, and you have also at least significantly narrowed your list of probable suspects.
    Getting down to the basics, the engine only needs air, fuel, and an approprately timed spark to run. For you to have the symtoms you described, something must be interupting either fuel or spark.
  • rmillar3rmillar3 Member Posts: 6
    Well it's now the dead of winter here in the snowy north and my 99 Mont. is nearing it's 60K Km. warranty limit. A new problem has started to show up in the last month or two. It's the drivers seat back outside cushion. The surface material is coming off vertically on a line that coincides with the inside frame of the seat back. The foam is slitting, allowing the metal frame to rub on the inside of the material and thereby causing the outside surface material to ware off. I took Mont. into the Pontiac dealer yesterday to have them have a look at it.
    They agreed this was an abnormal occurrence and therefore are going to replace the foam(or whatever is needed) and supply a new piece of material to the outside seat back.
    Anyone else have this problem?
    The passenger seat is showing signs of the same thing, so I've asked them to have a look at it as warranty expiry is near.

    One general question for any of you. Once a warranty repair has been done, and if the fix does not fix the problem(smelly A/C, for example), does any further repair attempts for the same problem still come under the original warranty. This, to me, would be a warranty of a warranty repair. Thoughts?
  • offhamoffham Member Posts: 344
    I had similar thing on Venture 2000 drivers seat. Firstly on the back panel, the left side is where it clicks in with two locking plastic strips. Put superglue on to hold and works OK. Had one of the metal foam supports cut through the foam and start to mark the fabric.

    Under warranty had the foam all replaced in the left side bolster.

    In regard to warranty being valid beyond mileage and time, I had a situation related to a new gas tank sender unit which had a faulty gasket and kept putting on the Service Engine Soon light.

    The dealer fixed under warranty eventhough I was over by 500/600 miles. I am sure there is a small window, but once well over then unlikely.
  • baveuxbaveux Member Posts: 175
    When I test drive a Montana 2002 I noticed that when you engage in drive the door locks,fine with me,but when I return the car to "park" they didn,t unlock, I had to do it manually and thats annoying.I wonder if there is a way to program that or to disable that system ?
    Thanks and Happy N.Year
  • montanafanmontanafan Member Posts: 945
    Door locks are programmable. As I remember from my brothers Montana the choices are: A) No Auto Lock/ No Auto Unlock, B) Auto Lock only, C) Auto Lock, Unlock when key off, and D) Auto Lock, unlock when shift into Park.
  • baveuxbaveux Member Posts: 175
    Thanks,since my new Montana will be delivered on Jan 12 i feel better now,you always overlook something even when you do your homework...
    Thanks and H.N.Year
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Has anyone disconnected or changed their battery themselves?

    I bought the side terminal tool and have moved the fuse/relay center but it still is in the way with all the wire looms and stuff. My positive is reachable but hate to swing a wrench when the negative is still attached.

    I'm getting the service manual but amazed at how this battery is wedged into there and how hard it looks to mess with it.

    Thanks,

    DD
  • ken41ken41 Member Posts: 4
    Just got delivery on a new Montana with AWD last week. Gave back our 99 Montana that was unfortunately the same color. So far, it's great. A lot more convenience features, dual power doors. The ride is better. No snow yet, so we can't evaluate AWD just yet.

    Happy New Year to all.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    Does any gearheads know what that pontiac handling package consists of? I got a used olds '98 GLS van, and rides ok but wouldnt' mind better handling.

    Is it springs, shocks, sway bar???

    The front stablizer bar (sway bar) looks huge, so I guess I'll assume that's plenty beefy and just upgrade the rubber in the linkage for starters, and I'm looking at 16" tires like the new ones or possibly 17" if they are not too pricy. My maxima has 17" wheels and 235 50 r17's and rolled them up next to the van and they were exactly the same diameter.

    I know the van is not a trans am or anything but I got a good deal and wheels make such a visual and driving difference.

    DD
  • yzfyzf Member Posts: 65
    If a dealer attempts to fix a problem under warranty (i.e., seats) and the fix doesn't take, the original problem has not been resolved. Therefore, the dealer must still remedy the problem. So long as the original problem arose AND was reported to the dealer within the warranty coverage period, the dealer should address the problem pursuant to the terms of the warranty agreement (i.e., no charge) until satisfactorily fixed, even if multiple attempts extend beyond the warranty period (key is the origination of the problem within the warranty period). Of course, this brings up the question of what constitutes a satisfactory fix. From my experience, that means a fix that holds for some reasonable length of time (e.g., one year), but not necessarily as long as the original warranty (in GM's case 3/30k). Many times, replacement parts come with their own warranty that can be much shorter than the original vehicle warranty. Hope this helps.
  • baveuxbaveux Member Posts: 175
    My new Montana is in my driveway,very impressed by the ride of that van.
    The fit and finish is excellent, good enough at least to shut up a GM basher !I've read all the post on the Silh, Vent.and Montana, that looks pretty good to me

    Future will tell but I'm pretty confident that I bought a good van,not a perfect product that doesn't exist.

    Thanks to the 0% financing, the ring to win promotion ,the GM points and the car buying program at work.

    That was my best car buying experience ever, I highly recommend Ab Cox Pontiac Buick GMC in Aurora Ont. No BS, lots of delicate attention, a very good team.
    Now lets go back to the car payments ...!
  • jpwisemanjpwiseman Member Posts: 11
    My '99 Montana with power windows (66k miles) has developed a problem where the driver's window won't go all the way up without help. I noticed the window seems to pitch forward about half way up. If you grab the window towards the front and pull up on it the window will finish going up on it's own.
    I took the door panel off. Amazingly, all the door operations (window, handle, locks, speaker) are mounted on one big piece of plastic then bolted into the door as an assembly.
    I can't see anything wrong and I'm afraid the dealer will just want to replace the entire assembly rather than repairing what's broken.
    Has anyone else had this problem?
  • dave231dave231 Member Posts: 17
    I have been fighting the same problem. I figured the dealer would not have any insight either. I have tried greasing the inside window jam..this seems to help, but it still needs help. Anyone else have any ideas.
  • chirplechirple Member Posts: 1
    I have a '96 Transport with a similar power window problem. It started about a year ago, the driver's side power window would slow down near the end of closing. It progressed to the point that it now moves the glass just about 1/2 inch. If you let it rest for 5 minutes or so with the engine running it will move another 1/2 inch or so. Now, if you hold the glass and pull up while pressing the power switch it will go most of the way up.

    I took the van in when the alternator failed this past monday. The dealer advised the motor in the door is bad. $355! Ouch.

    I have checked for recalls and reports but found nothing.
  • cwrobelcwrobel Member Posts: 1
    I just bought a used 1999 Montana with 30K miles on it. I like the van, but sometimes when I accelerate (40-70 mph), the car will "shutter" or "jump" momentarily? It seems to be a transmission problem, or its trying to get into gear. Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, what was the diagnosis? I took it to a GM dealer and the "claimed to have fixed it" but I'm still having this sporadic problem. If you can help, please post or email me at Wrobelforc@aol.com. Thanks!
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    I don't have the solution, here are some general suggestions.

    change the transmission fluid.
    wait a minute...
    CHECK the transmission fluid.

    if it still gives trouble, have someone keep track of the gears as you drive, and see what is happening, if its in 3rd-4th shift, or the torque converter lockup. Sounds like a software problem with the computer shifting. a good tech should be able to get to the bottom of this if they devote sufficent time with a computer plugged into it.

    Many people never have tranny trouble with these, so I'm hoping I don't either.

    DD
    used '98 Olds van
  • mesazonemesazone Member Posts: 51
    I have a 97 Grand Prix with the 3800. I experienced the same thing you are describing. The "Service Engine Soon" light came on. I took it in to the dealer, they reset the computer and said they couldn't duplicate the problem. (If they had done what I told them to do, they could have.)

    Later it happened again and this time had them explain to me what the computer said. They suggested replacing the spark plug wires. I did. It went away. I have since changed the plugs (what a pain that was!) and had the tranny fluid and filter changed.

    Now a year and a half later, it's doing it again. So I'm thinking the distributor. I'll let you know what I find out.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    FYI - the 3.8 and 3.4 do not have distributors, they use a computer controlled coil to fire the plugs. The cam sensor on the 3.8 can occassionally give trouble that would be similar to what you describe, but the shop needs to read the codes. The coil packs can also fail intermittantly as you describe. That might cause the plug(s) on those cylinders to foul.

    Hope this helps.

    DD
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