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  • reblack_jrreblack_jr Member Posts: 57
    The drivers side front seat belt tensioner on my 01 OB Ltd is not acting normally. When I pull it to attach it to the buckle it does not retract. I have to turn to my left side jiggle the belt a bit in the door post to get it behave. Any ideas?
    Thanks in advance!
  • carteachcarteach Member Posts: 179
    I have a '95 Legacy. My seatbelt has been doing that for years and years. I'd be curious to see if there's a fix for it. Because the belt doesn't retract, I've often caught it in the door as I close it and come back the next morning to realize the light has been on and the battery is dead.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,701
    The front seatbelt tensioners were getting weak on my '96 as well. Not so bad that they would not hold the belts snug while occupying the seats, but retracting after taking the belts off was an issue - especially in the winter months. They worked perfectly when I crashed the car though - walked away without injury! :P

    Might be as simple as cleaning the mechanism, but might also have to replace it if that does not work. The retractor is located at the base of the B pillar cladding, so if you push the driver seat all the way forward on the rail, you should be able to gain access to that area. Removing the molding will expose the unit, so perhaps try spraying it with some lubricant, work the unit a while by pulling out and allowing to retract, then respray. If the problem persists, then go the replacement route if the condition is a safety concern.
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  • gearhead4gearhead4 Member Posts: 122
    Don't forget about the Outback Sport, which is an Impreza wagon with a raised suspension and a trim package.
    The Legacy Outback is a Legacy wagon with raised suspension, a lot of plastic on the sides, and a limited slip rear differential (this accounts for a significant drop in highway MPG).
    I am really sorry to hear the Legacy wagon will be dropped. I was considering trading my Outback in on a Legacy to obtain better MPG.
    -Jim
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    While it may very well be the tensioner, try cleaning the plastic guide at the top first. When they get dirty, the belt will not slide thru it. The service guys actually have a clear tape that they apply over the dirty guide to help the belt slide easier.

    Steve
  • tjf1tjf1 Member Posts: 1
    Sorry to hear that the wagon is being discontinued. Yes, discerning the differences between the Legacy/Outback, and the myriad of trim levels between them, is quite confusing. I took delivery of a new 2007 Legacy Limited wagon (my first Subaru) last month, after about a five week wait (over Christmas break though). There were only a few (as in 4 or 5) Limiteds in the entire state of Calif, while Outbacks are plentiful. Not needing to tow or go off-road, I realized after doing some comparison that the Legacy 2.5i Limited is equivalent to the Outback 2.5i w/Limited package for about $2,000 less; you give up the 2.5" of extra ground clearance, the body cladding, and tire-pressure monitoring, and get about 2 mpg hiway better mileage. Also, the Leg-Ltd has low-profile sportier tires, which trades off a bit of ride comfort for supposedly sportier handling and looks. For my purposes, the Legacy's lower profile looks better---very cool looking, but with the utility snd flexibility of a wagon. Only 1,000 mile so far, not enough for a proper review, but so far very pleased!
  • pf2001pf2001 Member Posts: 110
    My wife took the car to the dealership. They charged around 300 to change the front brake pads and shave down the rotors which were warped. I thought that was kind of expensive.
    Does any one have a good website to purchase OEM parts?
    I want to purchase the items and take them to an installer so I only pay for labor.

    Thanks.
  • subahondasubahonda Member Posts: 75
    Subaru Canada will continue to sell the Legacy Wagon through 2008 and beyond in all trim levels. I agree that it is superior to the Outback in looks and handling. It also fits into my very low carport - the Outback won't.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Strange.

    I know pricing is relatively higher there, but every so often they do throw you a bone, with more interesting models and some special editions we never get.
  • txdavetxdave Member Posts: 1
    I am looking for a good used 2.5 for a 97 Outback. There is 157000 miles on the car and had no problems till it hit 150000 miles then it just stopped about 60 miles from home. My wife called me for advice and I told her to call a local garage. A garage towed it in and said they would find the problem for $50.00. After paying the fee they told her there was nothing wrong except it was low on antifreeze. It started and she was on her way for about 10 minutes then steam came out from under the hood. She stopped and called me again so I hooked an 18' trailer to the back of my truck and went after her. The point I'm getting to is, I think the engine might have froze up or a sensor shut it down from over heating the first time it stopped. I searched Subaru forums for a possible cause and found out for the first time about the H.G. problems with the 2.5. I did a leak down check and found the #4 cyl was leaking into the water jacket. I pulled the engine and checked the heads for flatness. I was surprised to find the greatest deviation from flat was .001". I got the latest 4 ply head gaskets and a new water pump and re-installed the engine and checked for bubbles in the over flow tank. Everything was great for another 4000 miles, then it started over heating again. There were bubbles in the overflow tank so I pulled the engine again and this time checked the block. I found one cylinder apparently tilted and one side of the top the top was .003 below the rest of the block. The block may have been warped the first time it stopped when my wife was driving.
    I called Permatex to see if they had any suggestions and talked to very knowledgeable application engineer. He said that a race engine builder in Arizona has never had a head gasket fail on highly boosted Fords when he used Super 300. It is actually made for marine gas and diesel engines.
    I tried it and it worked for awhile then the problem came back. I tried to talk my wife into a BMW 325, but she loves her Sube and wants it back. She doesn't feel as secure in the Beemer and except for the engine the Outback is in perfect shape. Too good to junk.
    So here's my question. Where can I get a good used or rebuilt 2.5.
    I found a lot of places with a Google search, but would prefer hearing of experiences with sources.
  • ldobsonldobson Member Posts: 3
    My husband and I are currently looking for a used Outback and have come across a 2001 Outback LL Bean 29,000 miles for $13,995. It's a Private Seller and he has disclosed that it was purchased at an auction and it had been in a front end collision but he has repaired hood/bumper. He says he is a mechanic that works only on Subarus.

    The vehicle history report has a few problems listed:
    Somewhere between 13,000-18,934 there was a "Left Rear Impact With Another Vehicle"
    -and then at 28,366 miles the Motor Vehicle Dept. reported Salvaged Title/Insurance Loss

    We plan to check out the car thoroughly and bring it to a mechanic for an inspection, but what other huge problems might we be overlooking?

    Is the price he's asking fair?

    Thanks in advance!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Smells fishy. They would not total a luxurious, leather-lined H6 model, loaded as it was, for just a hood and bumper. No way, no how.

    Let's do the math. A new bumper skin is about $150, a new hood another $150 or so, both unpainted. Paint and mounting would still not cost a grand. Probably $800 or so.

    To total a car, they have to pass some threshold of damage, IIRC it's something like 70%. So there had to have been 70% of approximately $14,000, or $9800 worth of damage. 10 times what the seller is claiming.

    He's lying. Walk away.

    For it to have become a salvage there had to have been MUCH MORE damage than that, a whole lot more.

    He's just plain lying. Avoid it.
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    I agree that this is probably something to avoid. But if you want to proceed, I suggest taking it to a body shop in addition to your mechanic. Ask the body shop to check the frame alignment. Hopefully, everything is straight and square. If it passes, then get a four wheel alignment or ask the seller for the report.

    For you to ponder...what's the current going price for this car if it were in good condition? Are you prepared to make-up that difference if you encounter problems?

    Wishing you the best whatever your decision!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    While juice's estimate is a bit low for the front end damage... Here is my experience.

    With my 94 Legacy Turbo I rearended a honda accord a few years ago. Bumper, rad support headlight, hood, and fender damage amounted to over $3,000 in repairs. Guess what? It wasn't even totalled!

    So something is fishy and I'd steer away from it. If everything "looks" good, I'd say it's flood damage.

    -mike
  • ldobsonldobson Member Posts: 3
    Thank you everyone for your replies. It definitely helped in our decision to keep on looking for a different Outback. One with a CLEAN title and nothing fishy when we check the history. The money we're spending is not worth the worry of what are we really getting.

    Thanks so much.
    :)
  • ldobsonldobson Member Posts: 3
    Thank you for your reply. We needed this bit of information. We had a friend who works at a dealership run the VIN number and it pulled up even more accidents & sketchy information on this car as well.

    We'll keep looking! None of these ~~~> :lemon:
  • tigabumptigabump Member Posts: 7
    Hi All!

    After ~6month of search and uncertainty, I finally bought my used OB2002 with 46k on it ($12k). It does look really good and it does drive awesome, better than all the others I was test driving. However after 20 miles the 'Check engine' light came on (still drives without any problems). I don't know now what the problem might be(it's Sunday), I just feel it is a little too much of a coincidence. Question is, if you wanted to get rid of malfunctioning car, how do you make the 'check engine' light turn off for the selling process, isn't that impossible ? (i.e. if the seller betrayed me how did she do it ?)

    I also talked to the repair shop where they just had done the 45l service and they told me the car was just fine.

    damn it
    thanks for advice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Could be a few items. Did you fill up the tank after you bought it? If so the cap may not be fasted tight enough and that can throw a CEL. Or perhaps the seller had the CEL turned off via an OBDII computer which will turn it off temporarily until it re-tests or the problem comes up again.

    Hopefully it isn't the latter.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, any scanner can turn off the light temporarily. Though if it's a bad problem it'll light up again almost right away.

    What's the code? Some times AutoZone will scan it for free, else find a friend that owns one. I have one if you're in the DC area and would be happy to read/reset the code for you.
  • tigabumptigabump Member Posts: 7
    OK, I got notice from the Subaru-dealer (call me stupid to turn the car in, but it's a new car to me so I wanted to be on the safe side).

    It was the 'Neutral safety switch', this damn thing thought I'd be in neutral when I was driving so the check engine light came on (that's what the guy told me). However, I have a manual...it's a little weired. $170 and now it's replaced. I thought I had left these annoying and costly electric malfunctions behind me with the purchase of a Subaru ?!

    I guess after all that wasn't a fraud then but an unlucky coincidence.

    thanks for your advice and offer to have it scanned by you, but I live in the SF-bay area, driving cross country to DC is too much of an effort for this :-)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,701
    I thought I had left these annoying and costly electric malfunctions behind me with the purchase of a Subaru ?!

    No comment. ;)
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  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Neutral Safety switch prevents the car from being started unless your foot is on the clutch, some of the newer ones even know if you are in or out of gear.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Glad to hear it was resolved. :shades:
  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    Let me have your opinions on the following issue...

    I spend time driving through West Texas open pasture land to check on cows, fences, etc. Some of the land is rugged, with breaks, creek beds, and wash outs.

    I currently have a 2006 Outback 2.5i. It has performed pretty well in limited off-road use. But, I am considering replacing it with a basic, 4-cylinder, 2-wheel drive Toyota Tacoma pickup since it would have a little more towing capacity than the Outback and might be more durable.

    I would appreciate opinions on whether or not the Tacoma would perform better off-road that the Outback. Mud can be a problem at times. Would I need to get a 4-wheel drive Tacoma to match the Outback? How does an Outback stand up to routine off-road use?

    Your opinions will help me decide what to do. Thanks.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    2wd Taco v. Outback, the Outback will win offroad all the time.

    You'd have to step up to a 4wd Taco to match or exceed the outback in terms of offroad.

    -mike
  • stevecebustevecebu Member Posts: 493
    I would appreciate opinions on whether or not the Tacoma would perform better off-road that the Outback. Mud can be a problem at times. Would I need to get a 4-wheel drive Tacoma to match the Outback? How does an Outback stand up to routine off-road use?

    I'm currently driving a Toyota Hi-Lux which is pretty much what the Tacoma is overseas and if anything the type of tires you use will make a difference. But overall the Outback is an AWD car. I know my Hi-Lux might go through a little bit of mud but for anything that's really on a trail unless it's just ground clearance you need then an AWD or a 4x4 would probably be your best bet. With my stock tires in any real mud the I would get stuck and know it.
    The Outback with more aggressive tires might do you better as well. But if ground clearance is an issue then you need a truck or a jeep and towing capacity is a trucks strong point. If all I did was what you say I'd probably buy an older Chevy 4x4 used and make sure it's in decent condition and then put some good sized tires on it and then no worries in nasty stuff and if it gets a dent or two, your laughing cause you paid dirt for it. :)
    But if you have to drive all over and use it for the family as well as other stuff then, that's another thing but ground clearance offroad is almost always the problem.
    The Outback is quite a car, not really my style but damn nice if you need a big AWD wagon.
  • bbinsbbbinsb Member Posts: 2
    Hi--I just purchased a 2007 Legacy wagon. I love every aspect of the vehicle EXCEPT for the driver's seat. It's the most uncomfortable one I've ever experienced--way too firm and the fabric is scratchy and hot. Cushions don't make a big difference. Any suggestions? Can I replace the entire seat? Have it reupolsterd?

    Thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    An upholstery shop is your best bet. Leather usually costs $900 or so, but I'd inquire about re-shaping the seat if you're that unhappy with it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think the Prerunner is raised, but most 2WD Tacomas don't have the extra ground clearance that the 4WD models have.

    Definitely get 4WD, sounds like you'd use it often.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,701
    That is what I would say as well - if ground clearance is an issue, then go with 4WD that has as much as possible. If it is just light off-road, like driving through fields or on dirt/mud (not gravel) roads, the Outback would do wonderfully, especially with proper tires. The 2wd Tacoma, I fear, would not. If it had a locking or limited slip rear differential then it would do better, but you would be dead in the water if you had to stop for some reason!

    I used my '96 Outback through a summer with a steep, dirt (read MUD!) driveway. It had about 6" of ground clearance and performed wonderfully with all-season tires on it, even when some 4x4 trucks would slip to a halt. The one time the mud did get so bad that the car could not beat it, I threw down a bunch of cut alder shrubs over the mud and the car crawled right over it. My wife even towed my 2wd '69 Chevy pickup up the muddy driveway a couple of times. The first time I had an 11' cab-over camper on it (about 3000#); the second time I had a pallet of concrete block (about 2000#). ;)
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For that environment I would consider an XTerra, most likely. The FJ might have made the list but visibility is just too awful.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,701
    That is not a bad idea. Size wise, it is a good comparison to the Outback and it has quite a bit of ground clearance (something like 13"?). It is also far more off-road capable than something of similar size, like an Escape or CR-V.

    nerd, since you own the Outback already, why not try it out in those environments and see how it performs for you. I think the things you will most often need to avoid are sharp breaks (due to the angles of approach and departure) and deep ruts (limited ground clearance). I also used to take the Outback on some fairly questionable trails and had no problems as long as I planned my route carefully.
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  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    Thanks to all of you for your feedback on the Outback vs. the Taco. The experience that xwesx had with the muddy driveway was impressive. I will stay with the Outback and see how it performs over time. You guys have convinved me that a replacement pickup will have to be 4WD. The Outback is certainly a versatile vehicle - nimble in city (Dallas) traffic, comfortable on the highway, off-road capability, and good gas mileage.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,701
    I forgot to ask whether your Outback has a manual or automatic transmission. My '96 had an auto transmission while my '07 had a manual. The auto was much more amenable to "off-road" conditions (deep mud, snow, etc) though the '07 had a viscous limited slip differential in the rear which made it more capable in those conditions... if I could get it going without burning out the clutch! :P
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  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    My '06 has the 4-speed automatic. I agree that an automatic is preferable for off-road use (and for crawling through rush-hour traffic). I think mine has a limited slip rear differential. The AWD system is different between automatic and manual, but I don't know how each one works. I have learned that using the sport mode in Dallas traffic allows me to accelerate more quickly when needed.
  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Member Posts: 435
    I have a 2005 Outback Limited. If I had sat in the car any longer than the 15 minute test drive I gave it, I probably would not ... make that NO WAY, would I have purchased the car.
    After almost 3 years, the seat is still as uncomfortable to sit in after a short distance. The bolsters are too hard and the space between them too narrow where your butt is. I am NOT a big person either... 5'11" 180 lbs. I noticed for the 2006 year, they made the bolsters softer in the leather seats.
    A Subaru dealer told me I could buy the foam for the Legacy GT seat bottom and bring it to an upholsterer to have a new seat bottom cushion made. I may try to perform surgery on the seat myself.
    Anyway, I just bought a used 2000 Volvo and the seats are soooo comfortable.... and the passenger seat is height adjustable, unlike Subaru's passenger seat which is too low and no height adjustment... even if you have the model with power passenger seat.

    When I emailed Subaru on buying a new seat, they said they did not sell seats and when I asked them if I had to uplug anything before removing the seat to work on it, they would not tell me anything... so much for customer satisfaction.

    So yes... if you are going to keep the car awhile, look into getting the foam insert from a Legacy GT and bringing it to a shop and have matching cloth or leather covering... or ask for other options.
  • blwinnerblwinner Member Posts: 4
    I am VERY picky, and I love my '07 Legacy seats. The GT seats look similar, but are different. If you have a GT, replace with regular Legacy seat(different side bolsters). If you have a 2.5i, an upholstry shop is your best bet, and I would do the leather- entire car for about $1,000. You won't sweat or grip. The 2000-2004 Legacy/Outback seats are the worst in Subaru history. Trust me, I have sold and driven Subarus for years. I do not sell them anymore, I just bought my '07 about 8 months ago. By the way, the Tribeca seats are the best around. Don't think the tracks are the same, though. Good luck at the upholstry shop.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I just got an 05 LGT Wagon, so far I'm enjoying the seats in it. I'm 5'10" and 300lbs. Not as comfy as my Armada but not bad at all! :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The seat tracks are strange, very non-standard looking.
  • bbinsbbbinsb Member Posts: 2
    I really appreciate all the feedback offered here! Mine is a 2007 2.5i Legacy wagon--thus the seats are cloth. I did actually ask a dealer about re-upholstering the seats in leather--glad to hear they aren't as hot as some have predicted. But would the leather itself solve the cushion problem? Would a piece of foam from the GT fit my seat and make a difference? What about a cushion from an Outback seat? Those L.L. Bean models seemed comfy.

    I've been riding around with friends in various cars recently--everything from an old Jeep to a new Corolla to a Chrysler van, and ALL the seats are more comfortable than my Subaru! So frustrating....
  • suzyb2suzyb2 Member Posts: 3
    I have a 2004 Outback wagon, only 18,600 miles on it. I took it in today for an oil change plus a 25-point inspection. After an hour and a half, I finally asked where my car was. At that point I was told that my rotors were warped. I don't see how this could be with only 18,600 miles on them. I don't use the breaks hard and just can't understand it. I know a few other Subaru owners and they've had problems with their rotors with "low" mileage on them. Is this a common Subaru problem? The dealership was going to charge me over $220 to "machine" them and I wouldn't hear of it. I left rather upset and shortly after coming home, they called back to work with me on it. They are willing to do it at their expense. Should I expect more problems after I get this done?
  • just_philjust_phil Member Posts: 86
    Do you feel pulsation in the brake pedal when you lightly apply the brakes? If not, your rotors are not warped (or not warped enough for you to notice) and should be left alone. Machining a rotor is a short term solution anyway, and should be avoided unless absolutely necessary (like when there's a deep groove, or bad warping). All machining does is removes more of the rotor mass, hampering heat dissipation and making it more prone to warp again.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I agree, if it wasn't broke, don't fix it.

    They use these free "inspections" to try to convince you to do more than you really need to do.

    If the brakes were operating perfectly smoothly, I would also not machine the rotors.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yup, if they aren't pulsing or shaking your wheel there is nothing wrong with them. Even if it were, a piece of sand paper usually clears up any pad deposits (or severl hard braking actions).

    -mike
  • pathtomaxpathtomax Member Posts: 215
    I have a question regarding the "several hard braking actions". My 01 with 113k miles on it is constantly in need of machined rotors. I have co-pilots that comment on the pulsating tires all the time.

    Instead of bringing it in at least once a year (they need it right now actually) to have them smooth them, what can I manually do to fix it? I just had new back brakes installed by a friend of mine. He noticed that my year-old front rotors are warped and the dealership installed those. I might see if they will do them for free.

    I noticed someone said to stop hard after highway driving- is that what you mean by hard braking actions?
  • just_philjust_phil Member Posts: 86
    First, check the lug nuts. Overtightening them will warp the rotors, sometimes permanently.

    Also, if you were driving hard, and then came to a red light, try not to sit there with your brakes on - that may cause warping too, this is also true for certain types of parking brakes, not sure about your model. Instead, plan your stops so that you coast to the light until it changes to green.

    If you need to replace the rotors, then buy some better ones - not the cheapest aftermarket stuff you can find. There are some fairly inexpensive Brembos out there that are neither slotted nor drilled - just plain OEM replacement, those seem to be of better quality.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Check the tightening of the lugs, that can cause them to warp. Other than that chances of actually warping roters in a non-track environment on a light car like a Subaru is next to impossible.

    What happens is that you get pad deposits if you are driving hard and then hit a light and keep the hot brakes applied. What happens is that you get pad material transfer into the tiny creaveses of the rotors which then makes them appear to be "warped"

    By doing several hard braking actions you use your pads to clean the embeded brake material out of those creaveses. This can also be accomplished via some sand paper.

    I also would suggest never having your rotors machined down, just replace them with some quality non-slotted, non-drilled rotors. My preference is to use Mountain Rotors from Japan which are superior to Brembos, the brembo non-slotted, non-drilled rotors are made from very cheap Chinese steel and are actually worse than the Mountains.

    -mike
  • lieutlieut Member Posts: 11
    :) O.K Subaru owners here is your chance. We are down to probably 3 cars. 08 Nissan Altima 08 Subaru legacy limited or a Honda :sick: (not my choice but the wifes.)
    What's good what's not with a Subaru. Let me know.
    By the way the 4 cylinder Corrolla stinks!
  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    What do you want your car to be or not?

    Krzys
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, what are you criteria? Priorities, at least.
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