Real-World Trade-In Values

rroyce10 · July 2003

..... Sounds about right, 140k, good color, service is everywhere, (rubber.?) probably low to mid $3's on trade .. down Retail Rd, with a Great detail, $5,9 in the paper and $4,5/$5,5 gets a new owner ..

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

.... You need to call Zues, he likes these pups .. 6,500 miles and an a 03 turbo, should be seeing the low to mid $16's, could, might on a good day see $17, but there is Kazillions of them now ..

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

...... Lot's of miles on both, might have the high $19's in the clean one, a lot less for the one that has been smacked .. don't even try to buy the that one, a good story now, but when you go to sell/trade it you won't even be able to give it away ..

        Bimmer buyers are waaay too picky for re-paints, I don't care if NASA did the work .. on the retail side, $22/$23ish .. the re-paint, maybe $19 ..

                     Let me know ...

                           Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

.... Eeeyuck, no-sale blue with gray gut's, 41k .. Left Coaster Huh, even on your side of the country these aren't burning down any bridges ..

       If the service is fine, no hit's, no freedom fry invasions, deep round things, looks like a 20k vehicle, then trade side you should be seeing the $22ish figure, "might" "could" see $23 if you have been going to church ..

                    Good luck and let me know ...

                         Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

.... Nice vehicles, but nobody is breaking into a bank to get $$ for these, miles are low, great color ..

          If it's a nice one, trade side the high $16's, low $17's ..


                        Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

...... Pleather, golly ghee .. the miles are low, good color, auto, slider, p pack, sounds nice ..

If it's a nice one, no Captain D's laying all over the back seats, no deer meat on the hood, just a "stand tall" vehicle .. then trade side, the ultra high $21's, low $22's .. the miles save this one ..

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

......... Miles are tall, but not too too bad, color is ok, got a kiss over here and there, cold pack .. if it's Clean, interior has no meteorite hit's, service is good, deep rubber .. then trade side, the mid to high $6's, "could" see the low $7's because of your area, but it's not snowing there yet, or is it ...

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

..... Good, keep all that Pep Boys stuff off of it .. the miles are a little tall, it's an auto, EX, good color, a little dent going on, no help there .. trade side, the high $7's, might see the low $8's in Buckeye country ..

Terry.

lanzz · July 2003

Terry - helping out a co-worker, can you please give me trade ins for the following... They are both located in Westchester County NY.

#1 - 1998 Accord EX V6 4dr auto - Dark green with tan leather, needs tires, had all service, average condition for it's age, a few dings and dents - 90,000 miles.

#2 - 1997 Explorer XLT V8 4dr 4wd - Red with tan cloth, 68,000 miles - good condition - does not need tires, power stuff, cloth inside.

No paintwork on either car - thanks in advance.

Ed

tharry8 · July 2003

Please tell me the trade in value for 99 Ford Windstar SEL. Has 66,000 miles, and is white and silver. Has power everything and leather. In addition to standard features, has: Traction Control, Front Side Air bag restraints, Towing Package, Alarm System and Center Console.

Thanks,
Todd

zueslewis · July 2003

just because I like 'em don't mean I want another one - I already have one!

In fact, I'm seriously thinking about dumping mine after the lemon law deal is done.

rroyce10 · July 2003

....... It's a 98, it's a 4Dr, V6 XL .. right ..?

           Miles are waaay tall, hope it has new rubber and new brakes, I hope it looks 00, I hope there is no click click in the 4wd .. if so, it's worth around the $4's on a trade, maybe the high $4's .. down Retail Rd, $6,9 after a super duty detail and service and $5,9/$6,5 sends it packing .. I would be trading/selling now, everything can change by Nov ..

             The Astro, they probably have the high $12's, low $13's in it, $15 or so should send it home -- if you trade the Exploder, you should be trading for "around" a $10ish difference plus the TTL ...

              Good luck and let me know ..

                               Terry.

meetraz · July 2003

Hello, I have a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTX with 26,500 miles. The "GTX" package is a custom ram-air induction and free-flow exhaust system added to the Grand Prix GTP by SLP Engineering, when I first ordered the car. SLP has a partnership with GM and this package is covered in the factory warranty. I paid $31,500 for this car new. It's totally loaded and is still mint condition.

rroyce10 · July 2003

..... So we have a 4dr 98 EX V6, it's no-sale green with tan gut's, 90k on the clock, needs rubber and stuff in general .. trade side, in and around the high $7's, might "could" see the low $8's, depending on the dealer ..

The 97 Exploder doesn't "sound" too bad, miles are low for the year, right color, 4wd .. if it's a nice one, clean, looks 00 .. then trade side, in and around the high $6's, low $7's ..

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

.... If it's totally mint, seats look hovered in, no K-mart kisses, no Popeyes chicken floating around, deep rubber, just a nice vehicle .. then trade side, the mid to high $13's, might see the low low $14's depending on the dealer, miles save this one ..

You gotta about 45 days or less on this one, after that, when the fall hit's the honeymoon is over ..

Terry.

rroyce10 · July 2003

... Oooh here's a nice one, ultra low miles for the year, 3rd seat, right color .. Lexus dealer, warranty ..?

         These things do all the Peso's if they are nice and clean, hard to get - hard to find .. with a great history, new sneakers, feels and looks 00, then the dealer "could" have the $17's in it .. if you can get it for $19ish in your area that would be fair ..

               Let me know on this one ..

                        Terry,

rroyce10 · July 2003

... Great vehicles .. right color, right miles, if the history is good, deep in round things, then the dealer might have as much as the mid to high $17's in it .. I'm thinkin' $19,9 or a little less ..

Terry.

jlawrence01 · July 2003

After reading thousands of your posts ....

what are the "no sale" colors OR is that model specific???

gwelmo · July 2003

Terry,
I am looking at trading in the following:
2003 Fresco Green Volkswagen Passat GLS sedan. Has the following:

A/C, pwr windows/doors, pwr moonroof
heated seats, moonsoon radio (cd/tape)
black cloth seats, keyless entry/alarm, fog lights

The car only has 13,000 miles on it. Have only been driving it for 7 months. Still looks and drives great. What could I expect to get for it as a trade-in?

Thanks
Gwelmo

tblazer503 · July 2003

yeah, them tires are 2 months old(they have 56mile on them). took it over from her brother, who gave it to us w/ a set of 18" rims w/ rubber. only problem is two of them have the steel belts worn thru.. yup, worn thru(well, almost) and the stock 15's which were cracked, flat, and I had 3 different sizes. So I took it to the local shop and had 4 new tires slapped on, cause' I figured she'd be driving it for a few years... all that hard work, and now her parents want it to get sold... errgghh.

mpp2 · July 2003

I'd like to take a shot at jlawrence01 question to see if I've learned anything from Terry and Bill's thousands of posts. Terry, correct me if any are wrong.

it seems to me that grey, silver and white will be the right color on any type of car in any part of the country. Black is a good color here in the northeast, but a no-no down south. Dark red/burgandy seems to do well on sedans and SUV's.
I'm not sure about gold/tan. I personally don't like it. Bright red works ok on sports cars, sport coupes and possibly on some pickups(I see alot of red pickups). Trendy colors just don't seem to work at all. That dark green was all the rage in the 90's, but no longer. (I know I'm sick of it). A lot of car companies are using blue now, some are very attractive, but I know Terry uses the saying no sale blue all the time. And purple? That doesn't work at all unless you have a 70's Mopar muscle car. I think bright yellow is also highly model dependent. (I like it on Jeeps).

Terry, did i do ok?

rerenov8r · July 2003

I belive "no sale blue" is the family of lighter / powdery blue(s).

I see plenty of vehicles with the darker blues selling well, from SUV to sedans. Even the sporty smaller cars sell well with the "electric blue".

c182skylane · July 2003

I might be interested in trading in my car:

(Chicago) 2002 Honda Accord Sedan, Silver, EX-V6, Dealer Fog Lights and Dealer Spoiler. 10,200 miles. Car is flawless, except for a few faint door dings that can only be seen in certain lighting conditions. Honda dealer just quoted me $17.5K Kelly Blue Book says closer to $19K...

aggie1995 · July 2003

Terry will answer this officially but if history is any indicator of the future Terry is going to agree with the dealer. KBB is often way wrong.

lancerfixer · July 2003

Before Terry blows a gasket, it might be helpful to also throw in the following info:

Geographic location
Is it a 1.8T or a 2.8?
Manual, or Tiptronic?

deymayor · July 2003

I'm buying a 2004 Sienna and I'm trading my Blue '96 Camry LE. I never had ANY engine-related problems at all but the exterior is only in good shape. Also, i purchased no additional options, just the standard ones that come with it. Thanks in advance.

cstowe · July 2003

I love reading this board....

c182skylane · July 2003

yeah, you're probably right. should I take it to CARMAX and ask for their valuation?

how do you like your 2003 Accord? I looked at the EXV6 coupe with 6spd MT, but they wouldn't let me test drive it. they said they can't allow anyone to put miles on it....

lancerfixer · July 2003

Before Terry blows a gasket, it might be helpful to also throw in the following info:

Geographic location
Is it a 1.8T or a 2.8?
Manual, or Tiptronic?

5speeder · July 2003

Thanks for your info on the saab, terry. (No, it's not snowing here in MN yet, spring just arrived!)

5speeder · July 2003

mpp2--You might want to test your hunches by looking at the TMVs here on Edmunds. They have a color category on the used car pricing tool, and it adjusts the price according to the color. On my car ('02 Passat wagon), in my zip code (in MN) it discounts the price for its color (dark blue). Some day when I have more time to kill (than I have right now!) I plan to do a little test and control for different variables: zip code, wagon vs. sedan, year, make, model. We'll see what makes a difference.

BTW, when I buy a new car I choose the color for me, not the market. If it's worth less because the market doesn't like my color as well, I don't care. In fact, I feel it makes my car more unique. But I was surprised that the Edmund's tool discounted my color, Indigo Blue. At the VW forum they took an informal poll on Passat colors and Indigo Blue was the favorite.

scott1256 · July 2003

In the Midwest: 1995 Cadillac Deville with 77,000 miles. Heated leather, dark red ext/int with cassette/10 CD changer. Good condition with normal scratches, good rubber, extremely clean. What price moves it in 15 days?
Just bought a 2002 Intrepid, and don't need the Caddy now.

gwelmo · July 2003

Sorry, I thought I included all the info on the 2003 Passat:

1.8t, auto, New Hampshire

Terry,
I am looking at trading in the following:
2003 Fresco Green Volkswagen Passat GLS sedan. Has the following:

A/C, pwr windows/doors, pwr moonroof
heated seats, moonsoon radio (cd/tape)
black cloth seats, keyless entry/alarm, fog lights

The car only has 13,000 miles on it. Have only been driving it for 7 months. Still looks and drives great. What could I expect to get for it as a trade-in?

Thanks
Gwelmo

jpvwaudi · July 2003

at a VW dealership your car is probably worth somewhere between 17 and 18 grand.... the 1.9 financing hurts it, as does the dealer cash.....

akangl · July 2003

*****And purple? That doesn't work at all unless you have a 70's Mopar muscle car*****

Hey now, don't pick on purple. The 1997 Ford Explorer Limited I just bought is Desert Violet Metallic.....basically its purple or kind of a plum color. I like it, but would sure hate to have to worry about selling it. My favorite color is the ivory white, but I took what I could get and don't regret it.

akangl · July 2003

*****What about a '96 Toyota Camry LE by deymayor*****

What about info???

Miles??
Auto, manual??
4-cyl, V6??
color??
cloth, leather??
condition??
location??

Info baby........or Terry will send you to his new torture chamber.

photo_guy · July 2003

Ok guys, I've read through a sampling of the posts here and hope you can provide some insight to my situation. Historically, I have bought new cars and trade my old cars to the dealer. I know I take a bath on the trade-in but it makes things easier. However, I just got a great deal on a used car and need to sell my current vehicle so I have started down the car sales road. I did my research and checked all the guides values, asking prices, etc.

Most of what I have read says that Edmunds TMV is more accurate than KBB and/or NADA but, in my case Edmunds gives me a much higher market value estimate than the other two guides. If I price the car near the Edmunds price buyers say "But KBB says it is worth $1000 less". It seems that KBB is the default standard and it hurts me in this case. If I tell the prospective buyer "The guides show averages and some cars sell for more and some less" I sound like...well...a used car salesman!

The car is a 96 Honda Accord, 25th anniv., 62K, miles, silver/gold, AT, super clean, all orig. equip functions, runs and looks great,etc. and is located in TX.

Edmunds(Clean) puts trade-in @$6364 and PP@ $7472
KBB(EX) puts trade-in @$4925 and PP@ $6400
NADA has Trade-in $5825 and RETAIL@ $7250 and I'm assuming PP for NADA is the average between TI and RE which is about the same as KBB value.

So, why does Edmunds not agree with the others and why on the high side in this case?

Any info or perspective you can provide would be appreciated.

mpp2 · July 2003

Wow, I didn't realize my guesses on colors would provoke much of a response. Well, of course I'm not a car dealer, I'm just going by what I've read from Terry's posts (and some of my own color bias).

Rerenov8r and 5speedster: I agree that many of the dark blues and electric blues do seem to sell well with new cars, because I see a lot of them on the road. I just don't know how they do on used cars. Also, I totally agree that you should buy the color that you like and not what the market is dictating. After all, you are the one who has to look at it in your garage or driveway.

Akangl: I don't see many purple cars on the road.I remember a few years ago reading some article, I think in the NY Times about how the Manufacturers where looking for the next popular color, like the dark green, and purple was prominently mentioned. But it never seemed to catch on with the public. I like purple on a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda. I believe Terry has said on several occasions that a purple car will sit for a long time on a used lot and will probably sell at a discount. But, since you like purple, then you have followed the best advice I've seen on this board: Always buy and drive what you like.

(Even if it's purple):)

lancerfixer · July 2003

I've seen Terry's torture chamber, too...it's the Nurburgring. Sounds great, until you realize you get your choice to do a day's worth of laps in either a Buick Park Ave or a Daewoo!

graphicguy · July 2003

Thanks for the input.

I've got an offer for $17K from the Mazda dealer. Just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Dealer put it on paper for $17K as my RX8 isn't due in until next month. Used car manager said I'd get $19K-$20K if I sold it myself....don't know about that. He said he wouldn't mind if I sold it myself but will stick to his offer when my car comes in.

Zues....what is the status of your lemon claim? Only 6,500 miles, but mine's been perfect and runs like a scalded dog.

Debated whether to get rid of Cruiser, but it really isn't a car that I would have chosen.

porknbeans · July 2003

Aren't you supposed to be in the middle of a long trip right now? You're not putting off the trip because your spending time in car lots again!!

zueslewis · July 2003

DaimlerChrysler won't settle pre-litigation, unless they settle the day of the arbitration (Feb 4th).

I still have problems with a high-speed miss, an intermittent transmission slip, and a new problem where the power locks jump up and down on their own.

The tire vibration (since delivery) went uncorrected (dealer quit trying), so I just installed new Kuhmo 712s (225/45-17 W-rated instead of the H-rated Goodyear RSA 205/50-17). Problem fixed, awesome tires, handles 10 times better.

jratcliffe · July 2003

You've got the location right, but the situation wrong. Terry lets you drive the Ring in a brand spankin' new Enzo. Problem is, there's three 90-year olds driving Devilles at 20 miles an hour and blocking the whole course.

robr2 · July 2003

...Terry's chamber involves his special boomerag style golf balls and your repeated use of a 3 iron!

tutters · July 2003

I am buying a used 2003 Lincoln Navigator Ultimate.It has all the options except a sunroof.It also has 20's and is black.It has 15,000 miles.They are asking $50,000.KBB says the asking price should be about $45,000.I'm trading in a 96 Ford Explorer XLT loaded.It has 89,000 miles,broken seat belt and a/c,few paint scratches and will need new tires soon.The color is light blue.I am in the Seattle area.What should I be paying for the Navigator and what could I get on Explorer?Thanks.

karl6229 · July 2003

Extended cab, v-6, 5 speed manual, red, 82000 miles, sliding rear window, a/c, all power, cruise/tilt, cd player, aftermarket alloy wheels

never crashed, no structural damage, scratches to rear bumper, otherwise original paint in excellent condition, runs well

tan interior is in VG condition, no tears, no stains/spills, nonsmoker vehicle, no flood damage

vehicle purchased in south florida never been outside the state, at work - garage kept

bed liner, penda tool box, vent visors, bug shield, push bar, fog lights, tinted windows

Looking to purchase a v-8 Tundra x - cab.

I got a black book estimate of $2250 from a Toyota dealer. I'm looking for $4000? Are my expectations set too high? Please advise. Thanks.

akangl · July 2003

*****Terry's chamber involves his special boomerag style golf balls and your repeated use of a 3 iron*****

All while listening to Barney music........"I love you......you love me......we're a happy family......with a great big hug and a kiss from me to you......won't you say you love me too....."

porknbeans........ended up not leaving, was all packed and loading up the Explorer Sunday morning and my soon to be ex asked me to stay. I did and well, he's not my soon to be ex anymore, we decided to work it out.

No more car lots for me......unless I'm visiting a friend.

dbgindy · July 2003

Congrats on your reconciliation, hope it works out! There will be a reserved spot in Terry's chamber if we do hear of you visiting a car lot in the next year. It will be the spot where they have demolition derbies with Pintos,Yugos and Ladas. :-)

sandman46 · July 2003

Congratulations and I do hope all works out for you and the family!!!

The Sandman :-))

volvodan1 · July 2003

It used to be Lundahl. But now it is McLaughlin Volvo. Mr. Lundahl is the G.M. and they kept everybody. It was sold in Feb. I wonder what they are doing at that dealer, but we get a fair share of people from your neck of the woods.

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