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I am looking at a 2004 Sienna LE 8 Passenger with option package #11 (dvd, stability, doors etc.) The full list price for a new vehicle is about $30,000. I have seen them going for $28k or even less. This one is used (by the dealer as a loaner/rental) and has 13,000 miles on it.
None of the car pricing indexes have 04 Sienna prices yet for used vehicles. Anybody have any idea what a fair purchase price might be for this vehicle.
take the cost of the car new (28000).
Figure it will last 150000 miles, and determine a cost per mile:
28000/150000=$0.1867/mile.
Car has 13000 miles, or $0.1867 *13000 =2400 in depreciation.
So, if it is more than 25600, it is should be bought new. Otherwise, consider used.
In the land of the Buckeyes we have an 01 Impala "LS", no smoke, we have a good color, we have done the service, we have new stoppers, we even have new sneakers, hubby tried to duck when he should have weaved at the Home Depot = $200 .. we also have the leather, slider, wing, No star, tunes, bun warmers - yep, all the stuff with 61k ..... Impala LS's are still a popular vehicle, whats hurting this one is the miles - trade side, in and around the mid/tall $7's, If it's really nice you "might" get a dealer to drop the low/mid $8's ........... what are they offering.?
Terry.
04 LE with 13k, we have the Disney package and the doors .. if it hasn't been cracked smacked or whacked, then the dealer might have paid the tall $20ish low $21ish range for it .. figure a little service (cpo.?) detail, pack, a little this and that and it probably hits the table at "around" the $22ish range, dealer has to make a little profit, so figure the $23,5/$24 range on the sale side ....... whats he asking .?
Terry.
Looking to trade in my Altima for a new Pathfinder. Can you give me an idea of what I might get at the dealer?
98 Altima GLE
99,560 miles
Black glossy paint
Alloy wheels
Moonroof
Anti lock brakes
tires 60%
Regular maintenance.
Cold A/C
Never in a wreck
Body in good condition except for key scratch on driver door.
Any chance I can get $5k? Or am I dreaming?
Thanks for the help.
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This must be Florida week, it could be the heat ... lets see, cold breeze, it's black (no help.!!!) 100k - no help, it's a GLE with abs, so we have some help, wheels, it's black, slider, leather, typical GLE stuff, it's black, did I mention it's black.? ... trade side, in and around the super tall $2's, "might" get a starving dealer to drop the low $3's .... $5,000 trade side.? .. other than it's black, it has a 100k and it's black, it sounds like a real nice vehicle ~ and $5,000 sounds more like a Timothy Leary drug induced dream .......................
let me know how it goes ...
Terry.
Dealer is being more than fair .. 19k.? yikes.! ~ a braver soul than I ..... enjoy.!
Terry.
This is a repost from a few days ago.
I have a 2002 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS that I am thinking of trading in relatively soon (could be tomorrow or three months from now), for another Subaru. Forgive me for going into too much detail.
43k Miles
5 Speed Stick
White Exterior & Black Cloth Interior
Options If they matter include,
Rear Spoiler
Fog Lights
Factory Upgraded Speakers & Tweeters
Factory Sub & Amp
Keyless Entry and Security Upgrade
Located in NJ
The interior of the car is clean (no smoking or pets) while the engine bay still looks brand new. The paint itself as a whole is all very good. Car drives great, as any Subaru should. Just put on fresh high-performance All Season tires (like 100 miles ago), no Pep-Boy Futura specials.
Now the bad. The car has been in one slow (make that moderate) speed accident two years ago. Kissed a Jersey barrier going about 25 mph during a snow storm, hit in the driver's side front at about a 45 degree angle. The car looked fine except for the ground down bumper skin.
Yet required $2000 to fix it, as it needed a new bumper skin, bumper beam, and headlight. Supposedly it needed a very short moment on the rack.
#1 Clamp down points produced from a Rack/Frame Machine are persent on the underside of the car. From what I understood it needed a minimal amount on the rack to just check things out. I wasn't aware of any frame damage but those clamp down points are there none-the-less. When put on a lift the underside of the car looks identical to other 'perfect' Imprezas, ie it looks straight with no tell-take krinkle, stress marks, or questionable welds. Just those clamp down marks on the underbody rails.
#2 The shop who fixed the front was lazy when it came to painting the bumper skin. They didn't use flex agent or even primer on the bumper skin so the paint is just starting to flake off in two tight corners on the bumper. Paint work itself looks good, decent quality but still easily spotted because of that flaking just starting.
#3 The hood is krinkled from where something or someone fell onto it and stressed it. Not at all noticable but if you look (as they will), you can see three dents from where the hood was pushed in and then popped back up. Paint is fine. Only seen when throughly inspecting the car.
#4 The final damage is the most difficult to explain. It involves the rear passenger door. The car has a dent that runs along the entire length of the door that is about 3" wide, like a very broad swipe mark, on the lower portion of the door. The paint still looks fine on it with no breaks in it, yet in reality the sheet metal is pushed in about 1/8"~1/4". Due to the stock curvature of the door and the broad swipe mark it would mostly require replacement of the door skin, or one good body guy using glass. Believe it or not, from a glance this damage is not evident.
As a whole the car still looks sharp, its just these items. Again sorry for the long narrative, I know the wholesale value of the car is roughly $9k ~ $9.5k, from the infamous Galves. I can understand them taking off a big chunk for the comestic problems, yet I really want to prepare myself if they come back with a really really big chunk taken off.
Thanks Again for Your Knowledge And Time,
Tim
7700 miles
Dallas, Texas (75247)
Silver Exterior
4-door
Black Leather interior (Still smells new)
auto-climate control
6-cd changer
No scratches, dings, or smudges anywhere on it.
Here is the bad part........it's a handshaker.
What say you Terry?
I listed this for $19,800 OBO and didn't get one bite on it.
I have an '02 Miata that I am thinking of selling. I really love the car, but priorties are changing and I am wanting my transportatin costs as low as possible. The car only has 12,000 miles. I can sell it for $14,000.
Question:
I bough the car new, so I have already taken a considerable depreication hit. Would it be financially more sound to keep the car or sell and buy something for $3,000 or so?
Any opinions/advice greatly appreciated.
Thanks
If it were me, and I was upside down, I would probably keep paying. Miatas are solid little cars, it should serve you well for many years to come. They also get real good gas mileage....no?
Check out the site
( http://www.4-est.com/tt )....ya'll think the pix are good? I know some of the images are broke, I'm gonna work on that a little later today.
Hmm, how do I explain this correctly .. the "Clamp down points produced from a Rack/Frame Machine are present" .. this is going to be your worst enemy, just because they are there, doesn't make for frame damage .. alot of body guys use them for the look/pick/insurance deal - some States, like Wisconsin, will even use the frame/body caps from the use of the tire jacks to be considered as frame damage and must be declared (which is crazy) but, it's their State .l.o.l..
I think whats also killing ya here is the bad combo of a hit and run repair guy, little attention to detail and more attention to being paid, between the rear door, the ground down bumper skin, it's kinda sounding like a Heinz 57, plus your staring down the barrel of a Galves book and we have the handshaker and the miles are a little on the stiff side .. depending on how it looks, feels and drives, it sounds like a $9,5/$10,0 vehicle trade side, but I can't see it, hold it a little closer to your computer .............
I hope this makes sense and let me know how it goes ....!
Terry.
Terry.
I was wondering what kind of trade in prices are to be expected for the following vehicle and condition. I am in the San Jose. Many thanks in advance!
2001 Passat GLS 1.8T Wagon (B5)
Metallic Black, Gray Interior
Automatic
Moonsoon Stereo
Premium Package (Leather, Sunroof)
Heated Seats
CD Changer
47200 Miles
(Basically this car includes all the packages available at the time)
Interior is clean. I wash, polish and wax regularly, and swirl marks are kept to a minimum.
Rear right passenger door got scratched, but now it is in the shop for repairs. No collision, Replaced Tires at 30K, splash shield and front wheelwell iners at 46.9K, replaced coolant at about 46K.
Thanks for the info in advance!
base with a power pack/SE/LE ...??
Terry.
Anyway, 01 Passat GLS 1.8 Wagon, black with grey guts, 47k, we have a little Wal Mart kiss on the door, Moron stereo, ppack, bun warmers, slider, etc .... depending on how the "art work" comes out on the door .. trade side, in and around the high $11's low low low $12's - again, it's All going to depend on that door work ........
Terry.
Thank you for the assessment! I expected it to be around that neigborhood as well. Let's hope that door is fixed well.
Sincerly,
aahwang
Thanks for the assessment Terry, this is a great resource for consumers!
I need help with trade-in value for a 2004 Infiniti G35x (AWD):
Automatic transmission
Leather
Moonroof
Diamond graphite exterior
Graphite interior
9,000 miles
Perfect condition
Located in NJ
A couple of Honda dealers hit it at $25k based on the infamous Galves book...what do you say?
Thank you.
But I must say, wow, did I read this correctly? You figure $9s for it?
I've heard the doom an gloom and all that Jazz about trading in a car after an accident, or trading with some paint problems. And how all dealers in the NE quote Galves and nothing more.
So I figure I was looking at a triple whammy of having, a $9,0 galves value, the dealer citing possible structual damage (if it exists or not), and my poor dented door.
Being the pessimist I was expecting a $2-3 drop off of galves value to leave me land in the territory of $6s. So is Galves just really really low?
I love the little Scooby, and I think the super clean engine and interior show that, all look almost mint. The exterior looks quite good too, besides the problems. Unfortunately (or Fortunately) I think this car will send out mixed signals.
Just one bad luck event after another occurs with this car. I think either I or the little White Subie is cursed. That coupled with other factors has left me looking, for a untainted Subie, one of which I hope my current 2 year bad luck streak will also not inherit.
Wow, so $9s huh? I feel a lot better now. I'm all ready to go visit my dealer now and hope they don't deflate my confidence too much.
Thanks Again,
Tim
Thats the "possible whammy", if all the dealers say "structural damage" .... but let me know what happens, their paying the tall $10's low $11's at the Big daddy auction not too far from you ~ comparably equipped .. so it becomes: what they "think", not what they know ....
Good luck,
Terry.
Terry.
2002 SAAB 9-3 SE
5 Dr
A/Y
Climate Control
Slider
Leather
Power everything
34000 miles
hazelnut (kind of a metallic beige)
DC area
From a dealer....
Possibly Certified (1.2 K extra for certification)
Thanks
That's what we need - more football coaches and fewer lawyers in political office!
Like the skyline shots? I wanted to get closer, with less junk in the background, but I don't have access to those garages.
Thanks again for all of your help.
Q
2003 VW Passat GLX 4Motion
Stonehenge Gray Metallic
25000 miles
Automatic
2.8 V6
Climate Control
Leather
Original Tires
The car is in Minnesota
Good inside and outside, no dings or dents
Terry, thanks for the affirmation. I will be picking the Civic up on Thursday hopefully. Will drive a beater-ish vehicle as a daily driver til the Ody goes back off lease then we will either buy a TSX or TL, both 6-speeds with NAV.
I'm thinking we may have just discovered the secret to our driveway. We keep 1 REAL nice car that's leased and only use it for when we want to look pretty or on trips and we drive his 03 Si and some other small, economical car every day. Seems like a perfect balance. Then we can avoid having 20,000 miles in 10 months on a brand new car. As for his 94 LS400 .. he now claims that it is in "storage" until we get the TL.
By the way, how long do you have to hold that check from the Crown Prince of Latvia .l.o.l...
thanks for the update ..!
Terry.
** having 20,000 miles in 10 months on a brand new car **
Yikes ...!
Terry.
Whatta ya think, It's a Honda store .. anything thats worth more than their most expensive vehicle gets immediately marked down .l.o.l... it will probably see $26 if someone gets serious ....
Terry.
2003 BMW X5 3.0
9,500 miles
Topaz Blue
Premium Package
Cold Weather Package
Rear Climate Package
Automatic Transmission
Park Distance Control
Reclining Rear Seats
Salesman says that it was a BMW "Executive" vehicle!
The VIN #: 5UXFA53533LV80230
Looking for a price for both CPO and non-certified, and your opinion on the X5 in general.
Thanks in advance!
715
Thanks again.
Q
Yep, it was driven by the BMW President's first cousin's aunt's boyfriend's sister herself! I'll bet he's got documentation for his claim, right?
Where do these get "strong $$"?
Looked at trucks today and hubby has decided on a Duramax (I know I know, I said no more Chevys). Stopped by the Nissan dealer to check on the parts that were ordered for the Titan and the GSM said that he's willing to have his buyer pick up the truck we want at auction.
So, my question is this.....what should a 2004 Silverado 3500 CC 4x4 dually Dmax/Allison LT/LS, tow pkg, say 5k-7k miles, and whatever other goodies these bad boys come with be going for on the block? What's a fair price for it? We aren't as bad off in the Dodge as I thought, so that's good.
Also, should we just order new or go for the GSM's suggestion? He's really cool and wants us to stick with his dealership even if it means they have to go buy the truck we want from the auction.
We forgot how nice a diesel was......20 mpg vs 10 mpg, what a concept. Let's see, our fuel bill will drop approx $200/mo. Not to mention we can keep some miles off the Titan.
Its either that or pay off the Dodge and keep it, which means its out of its ESC very soon and we are into costly repairs. Argh, decisions decisions.
1st of all, many thanks for the detailed comments. Both MB's appear to be virgin paint, clean title, just plain good deals. To help me with my decision, I'm trying to figure out what I might get for either car if I kept each car the same time period (say 3 1/2 years) and the cars were kept in the same condition. It's an analysis that I've never done before when comparing two cars.
So, in Dec 07' I'd be faced with selling either:
a) the 01' E320, CD/moon/htd seats, Smoked Silver/Beige with about 62,000 miles and 18 months left on a 100,000 mile warranty with Warranty Direct, OR
b) the 00' S430, loaded with options inc. CD/nav/rear shade, Horizon Blue/Light Gray with 76,000 miles and 6 months left on a 100,000 mile bumper/bumper $0 deductible warranty with Warranty Direct.
What are your best "guesses" as to what each one might be worth when it comes time to sell?
Here are my guesses - the 01' E320 will be worth between $18-$20K (remember, longer warranty), and the 00' S430 maybe $20.5-$22.5K. I'm guessing the nav unit on the S430 will be rendered obsolete by the GPS implants the government will be requiring us to by then. How close are my "guesses" to your more educated guesses?
If my numbers are reasonably close, taking into account the 100K/4-Yr warranty on the S430 costs $1k more than the 100K/5-Yr warranty on the E320, this is what it would look like financially:
E320: Initial cost $27,000 plus $2,650 for warranty less $19,000 average resale = $10,650 cost of ownership, excluding maintenance, fuel, insurance
S430: Initial cost $32,500 plus $3,600 for warranty less $21,500 average resale = $14,600 cost of ownership, excluding maintenance, fuel, insurance.
Do these numbers look correct? More importantly, what are your thoughts (and the thoughts of others) as to whether it is worth the extra bucks to drive around in what is supposed to be a much nicer car.
Thanks again,
Rick
PS My wife says "She doesn't care" which way we go, but she really DOES care, and I bet you can figure out which way she is leaning since she will be the one driving most of the time.
Divorces are WAY more expensive than $100 per month for 3 years. Terry could likely give you some actuals -- I hear all his ex's live in Texas.
It's like older Audis, they have a well-deserved nasty reputation in the US; in Germany, they are considered solid, reliable cars. Two factors: No Japanese competition in that end of the market, and Dieter.
The big deal with the S is likely going to be electronic goo-gaws failing. Have fun.
-Mathias
Darnit, Mathias, that's gonna be in my head all day. :-)
For the record, my Volvos' mechanic is named Rick, not Sven. :-)
** Hinky... you can say that again ** ..... these dudes also do the late night "infomercials" on cable - Put your hands on the TV and YOU will be saved ... and don't forget to send us that $39.95 (plus the app taxes, shipping, landscaper charge, the bug man, pool cleaner etc, etc)
Terry.
Terry.
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Terry.
Terry.
White exterior/Blue interior
moonroof
Dear Terry,
(this is repost from a few days ago)
Trying to figure out reasonable value on a straight sale of vehicle to dealer as I don't need it replaced. I've looked up KBB and Edmunds values but most of the local dealerships I've called don't want a car this old. Carmax in Orlando said bring it down for quote but won't ballpark over phone. I'm thinking the KBB/Edmunds will be higher than whats really offered based on past experience. Any suggestions as to what you think is fair would be really appreciated on straight trade and possible private party range for quick sale (seems hard to sell a car private party now when you can't offer the financing like a lot can) Thanks in advance.
80k miles
Florida car - no rust
good condition inside and out - non-smoker
automatic
runs well with only very slight hesitation at low idle
You show a 93 And a 92, so I will use the 93 .... it's a Florida vehicle, you say no rust and it's clean with 80k on an automatic EX ...... If, the paint isn't all faded out and the interior doesn't have that I spilled Clorox all over the place look, the dash hasn't cracked, Cold breeze, no K-Mart collisions, rubber is deep and service is 110% .. then most dealers will be lookin' at in and around the $1,0/$1,5ish area, "maybe" towards $2,0 if it's been garaged, not all burnt out, a "baby doll" and it shows and drives like a 99, if your lucky ...
Even though it has low low miles and you say it's clean, most dealers won't have a home for it, it's either going to FAAO or the BHPH lot down the street .. me personally, I would send this dude down Retail Rd, great detail and a super Ad in the Orlando paper - $4,900 *asking* and it gets a new driveway for $3,5/$4,5, big market there, you have UCF, the employee's of Universal, Disney, Swamps R' US, Wet and Furry, Gators R U', etc, etc ..........
let me know how it goes ...
Terry.