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  • stanman98085stanman98085 Member Posts: 1
    Would appreciate your input:
    Seattle
    2000 Mercedes-Benz S430
    4.3 liter V8
    RWD
    Brilliant silver / gray (it has a fancier name than that)
    65,000 miles
    Almost everything was standard. I added CD changer & rear window screen when I ordered it.
    Perfect interior. A couple of rock dings on hood, otherwise perfect
    Tires approx half worn
    Brakes have lots of life left
    Maintained by the book
    Original owner, purchased new in January 2000. Runs perfectly, but I've got the hots for a new car!
  • exploder750exploder750 Member Posts: 159
    Minneapolis, Mn

    2001 Honda CRV EX, automatic, 54K miles, excellent condition, immaculate care, many extras.

    Kelly Blue Book "Private Party Value" $13,645

    Kelley Blue Book "Trade In Value" $11,340

    Listed it in a popular internet car sales website; $12,750. Got no responses over a 10 day period. Lowered price to $12,500. Got one call and was able to sell it to this person.
  • pdreiningerpdreininger Member Posts: 1
    westchester, new york. White Toyota Land Cruiser, 26000 miles, navigation, roof rack running boards, front and rear bumper guards, tow hitch. All maintenance on or before schedule. Very small dings. No prior damage. No accidents.
  • sweeney3sweeney3 Member Posts: 1
    Your opinion, please...
    Wilmington, DE
    2003 Ford Escape, XLT, V6, FWD, Automatic
    7,500 miles
    Dark Red Fire
    16" wheels, cargo cover, roof rails/cross bars
    Gray cloth interior - excellent condition
    Next maintenance at 8,500
    No prior damage, repairs, etc.
  • jetvetjetvet Member Posts: 2
    I'm returning to dealer to get trade-in offer on my truck & to negotiate on purchase of '05 Mustang V6. I'm 37yo female, a little nervous w/o a good poker face so I need any help i can get. I want to be prepared w/ realistic figures to hold out for if someone can give advice.
    "they" said car base $19K, I owe $12 on truck, have my own financing 4.5%. my pmt now is $389 and i have no warranty and new house so i need pmt to be less than or equal to what i have now. maybe i'll save $ on gas & ins & unexpected maint? Thanks.

    DFW TX
    1999 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
    2dr flareside
    5.4L V8 supercharger
    4 spd automatic
    mileage 86K (had 67k when i bought in aug 03)
    ext: black clearcoat
    int: Medium Graphite cloth/black leather
    alloy wheels-18" goodyear eagle F1 (tread is fine,1 new jun'05)
    am/fm cassette 6cd changer
    tow pkg
    Passive anti-theft system / remote keyless entry / pwr locks,mirror,driver seat
    Some exterior scratches
    after market bed liner
    regular oil changes using premium motor oil
    no accidents (dont have carfax prior history)
    new battery/assembly Nov 2003
    replaced cylinder head Sep 03 (engine blew a spark plug thru head)
    I'm non-smoker-I didn't detect any smoke from prior owner, was very clean, no burns, minor upholstery stain, part of drivers side seat cloth is pilled from daily wear & tear but not torn.
    fog lights glass fell out somewhere, salesman said to wait to replace (dealer may do that for me since i would have to get part from them anyway)
    Nada trade-in estimated $16,000
    Kelly Blue book trade in estimated $10,540
  • chris_txchris_tx Member Posts: 15
    Oh sorry, here are the additional details:

    2002 Ford Ranger XLT SuperCab
    3.0l V6
    4spd auto
    2WD

    Dark Blue/Gray cloth
    26,000 miles
    bed liner
    chrome wheels with good tire tread left
    nearly perfect condition
    AM/FM/CD/XM
    PW/PL, etc.
    It does NOT have the swing out rear door(s)
    location: San Antonio, TX
  • marczmarcz Member Posts: 17
    I'm thinking to trade my 2001 Discovery SE7. The details:
    San Francisco Bay Area
    71,000 miles, one-owner corporate lease
    Bonatti Gray exterior, Lightstone leather interior
    All factory options; plus extended roof rails, factory running boards, rubber mats
    Interior and exterior are in superior condition, only one very small ding in passenger door
    All maintenance performed by dealer, no expense spared; Front tires 40% worn, rear tires 50% worn.
    No damage, insurance claims, or repaints.

    Thanks!
  • imp2imp2 Member Posts: 2
    We reside near Toledo, Ohio.
    1996 Chevy Lumina APV
    3 door mini van with power sliding door
    3.4 L V-6
    Front wheel drive
    95,000 miles
    ext: dark red and silver. int: dark red cloth
    Options: PS, PL, Factory CD, Rear heat and air, Power Mirrors, Cruise, Factory Aluminum Rims, factory roof rack, Three rows of bucket seats, seat seven. Seats are removable for hauling larger cargo.
    Exterior is clean without any damage, now or ever. Interior is clean without obvious wear or tears.
    Tires are recent with about 10,000 miles on them
    Front brakes and rotors are new, rears are 50%
    We are the second owners and know the original owner and his maintenance record. Serviced at every 3000.
    No prior damage or accidents.
    Thanks
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ....** 2000 Infiniti G20t by selm Aug 16, 2005 (2:38 pm)
    Location: San Diego, CA
    Year/Make/Model: 2000/Infiniti/G20t
    Body Style: 4dr Sedan
    Engine: 2.0 liter, 4 cylinder, manual
    Driveline: FWD
    Mileage: 73000
    Color: Silver Exterior/Tan Interior
    Major Options: Premium Package and Touring Package: (Leather, Moonroof, Power Driver's Seat, Sport Suspension, Spoiler, Automatic Climate Control, Alloys, Fog lights, etc.)
    Condition: Interior is very clean except driver seat showing some leather cracking. There are only a couple of dings and scratches and the paint is still very glossy and looks really good when clean.
    Tires are only a few thousand miles old. Front Brakes need replacing soon.
    Oil changed every 3 months which is only about 2000 miles for me. Clutch was replaced at 60000 miles.
    Other: Clean title, some repaint but the job was flawless as the car had some parallel parking wounds from previous owner. (I am the 2nd owner).

    What do you think I am looking at? I am getting a BMW 3 and it should be here late Oct or Early Nov, but I can commute with my wife. If I could get more now than in 2-3 months I might be willing to do that. Thanks in advance** ..
    =================================

    In the land of the Chargers .....

    We have a 00 G20T .. it's got 73k, the handshaker is nooo help, good color combo, leather, slider, sports stuff, hydes, new round things, almost stoppers, fresh 3rd pedal, a few kisses here and there and a visit from the Dutch Boys ......... trade side, in and around the super tall $6's, maybe "might" see the low/mid $7's depending on the dealer ........ me personally.? .. down Retail Rd, finish any service, super clean, better Ad and $9,950 *asking* and send it south for the first $8,9/$9,5 ... these are still pretty popular and even with the handshaker it would go pretty fast (properly done) ......

    Good luck and let me know .................

    Terry ;)
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ... **Waaaayyy back in June, you said of my '02 Accord Coupe... **



    I appreciate the update ........................................... :)



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **Went to the local BMW dealer in Ft. Lauderdale the other day and happened on what seemed like an interesting deal. Certified pre-owned 2002 745i, 40K on the clock. Silver with black interior. All the goodies. Car was as near mint condition as I've seen. 6 year, 100K mile bumper to bumper warranty from BMW included at no charge. They are also running a special 2.9% financing up to 5 years. Carfax shows it was a lease return. I know these cars were problematic but according to the salesman the problems have been fixed with a software upgrade. They were asking $51,000 for the car but with almost no negotiation I had them down to $45,000. Thoughts?
    ===========================

    Obviously Mr. Bangle likes his cars better than most, because the new body style is colder than a January night in Fargo North Dakota ...... "problematic" .. okay, that's one word for it ..l.o.l.......

    Anywaaaaay ....... (auction bought/trade.?) .. the miles are kinda tall, the exterior color is fine, the interior color is nooooo help, it's got 40k on the clock, I'm sure all the goodies ... IF ~ the paint is perfect, no visits to Maaco, no Love Bug attacks, no curb burners, deep in sneakers, the stoppers are from yesterday and all the "K" service has been completed .... then the dealer paid in and around the the tall $37's low low $38's .. figure a this and a that, then drop the CPO in it and it probably hits the table in the mid $39's .....

    $51,000 ...?!? .. was that in Peruvian money ..?

    $45,000...? .. that's a fair "asking" price .... but I have a stupid feelin' that the dealer will cut this one loose for the $42ish range .... it's not like folks are bustin' down the doors for the new "7's" ..... the dealer probably drives a Malibu .l.o.l...

    Don't forget to let me know .....!



    Terry :shades:

    PS: might this be it..?

    07/27/2005 ATLANTA $ 37,400 41,803 TITANGRY 8G A X SE
  • selmselm Member Posts: 122
    Thanks Terry! I think I will try the private party route if there is that much difference. I have never sold a car privately before, so anyone have any tips and/or a guidelines on how it should work? I do have the title so that is one thing that is less complicated. Thanks again.
  • keralykeraly Member Posts: 3
    you must be joking...i just bought the car for 48k...it will bring 42k...not 32k.

    if you meant to say 42k...let me know...otherwise....please keep dreaming. thank you.
  • mirthmirth Member Posts: 1,212
    Terry generally recommends, and I'm using his own words, a big fat-daddy five-liner ad in your local "big" paper. A big enough ad to stand out from the rest.

    As for the rest, get a copy of a person's driver's license and maybe the keys to their current ride as collateral when they test drive your car. Write up a sales receipt (you could probably use Google to find a sample one) on the sale, get cash in hand, and sign over the title.
  • zodiac2004zodiac2004 Member Posts: 458
    You paid 48K for an A4 convert !!!!!

    What's the list price on those anyway.

    I'm very interested in what Terry has to say but I'm sure you'll take a bath in it if you try to unload it now.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    What's the list price on those anyway.

    Looks like $49k for a similarly equipped 2006. Edmund's says incentives are available, but doesn't show any when you click on the link. A black car in Florida is going to be a deduction.

    jorachl,

    No solicitations... :surprise:
  • imp2imp2 Member Posts: 2
    Near Toledo Ohio
    2001, Chev Monte Carlo SS
    3800 V6, Auto, FWD
    5700 ( yep, 5700) Miles
    Black with charcoal grey leather guts
    Loaded with full power, Power slider sunroof, onstar,
    Spotless in and out .
    Thinking about selling it rather than trading it. Momma needs something to pull a horse trailer with.
    Ask/take??
  • peterdh2000peterdh2000 Member Posts: 54
    Seattle, WA
    2001 Jetta GLS 4d
    Black/gray inside
    4cyl non-turbo
    automatic
    79K miles
    leather, alloys, no sunroof or CD.

    Co-worker about to drop 11,9 on it. Terry, what do you think, or anyone?

    Also, if someone could run a carfax on it: 3VWSS29M41M005038 that would be appreciated....
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    Where is the good news? It's black, it's an underpowered 2-liter VW with 80,000 miles, which means it's headed for expensive repairs Real Soon Now (TM), it has no sunroof, and no alloy wheels... Yes, the price is too high. It's about double what the car is worth.

    I doubt if the leather is factory. Most of the leather equipped cars came with heated seats, alloy wheels, and sunroof. Is there a suede emblem on the side of the seats that says "Airbag"? If not, they're aftermarket hides...

    For the asking price, you could probably get a 2002 model with less than half the miles...
  • michaels2michaels2 Member Posts: 17
    Hello. I have found a:
    Milwaukee
    2000/Jeep/Grand Cherokee
    4.0 L 6 cyl
    4WD
    34,000 miles
    Dark Green/Gray Accents
    Power Driver & Passenger Seats, Infiniti Audio, Homelink, Leather Steering Wheel, Overhead console, Auto dim mirror
    Condition - This is the kicker. Carfax shows that this vehicle was in a "major" accident in 2001. I can't find any detail on the actual damage. The rig looks clean and drives great. Interior is average at best(few small patches on driver seat).

    Tires are thick and paint looks great. I need help with the value of this car. How much of a discount should dealer give me due to prior accident. They just took this on trade and put new brakes/rotors on and some other minor work. He is asking $12,000 for it.

    Thanks
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Hi Terry,

    A small dealership has the following vehicle that has peaked my interest. What say you on a realistic counter offer? I am a cash buyer, would $13,2k be too low? His advertised price is $14,990.
    Huntsville, Alabama
    2003 Dodge Dakota
    Quad Cab
    SLT Laramie 2WD
    4.7 liter, V8 magnum, automatic
    62,000 miles
    Dark blue/silver on bottom exterior, grey leather interior
    Options/Condition: It's got A/C and is loaded... leather interior, power windows, door locks, windows, and seats; spray in line-x bedliner, cruise/tilt, aluminum wheels. Mileage is high, but overall in good, clean condition. Paint glows in dark, no signs of french fry invasions or terrorist attacks at Walmart, no dings, just a couple of light scratches. Is a local 1-owner, carfax is clean. Drives nice, no leaks or funny things going on under the hood. All service records were available for inspection and routine maintenance, including warranty work, has been performed. New 16" michelins put on about 12k miles ago... tread is good with about 75% life left.
    Other: We've had a good experience with this dealer in the past, got a 2002 Bonneville from them last year... no problems and the price was right. They are a small independent privately owned company with around 40-50 vehicles, mostly trucks, on the lot at any given time. But not a BHPH place. Also, he's been in business around 20 years and has a good reputation in the community. No pressure, friendly sales staff and feel comfortable buying from them again. All their vehicles are backed with a 3-month, 3k mile warranty.

    Also,
    I would like to get some realistic numbers for the following vehicle I own. Due to it's high mileage and age, I plan to sell it on my own after a good detail. I'm the original owner, bought new in Nov '94.
    Huntsville, Alabama
    1995 Honda Accord
    EX 4 dr sedan
    2.2 liter, 4 cylinder, handshaker
    130k miles
    Dark green, with tan leather interior
    A/C, power windows, door locks, seats and mirrors; cruise/tilt, power slider, new JVS cd player installed 6 months ago, allow wheels, wood grain option near manual gear shift /radio console area
    Condition: New tires installed about 12k miles ago, new brakes 6k miles ago, driver side window motor replaced a couple of months ago. All routine maintenance is up-to-date and oil changes every 3-5k miles. Suggested maintenance by manufacturer not yet performed includes a new water pump and timing belt, but car still drives great and shows no symptoms/indication that these items are in need of repairing. If I planned on keeping it, I would definitely get these items replaced, but YIKES. May still get the timing belt replaced regardless, seems like the right thing to do. I have all service records. Car has been great. Other than oil changes, tires, and the occasional battery, the only major repair was a new starter about 5 years ago.
    Other: Exterior... small ding in rear left corner panel near trunk (size of my hand) where I bumped a light pole (at a speed of about 5mph) backing out of a long driveway about 7 years ago (it was dark and light was out). Otherwise, just a few light scratches, but no rust. Interior... it's a smoker's car, but ashtray was never used and leather interior helps some. Wood grain console is starting to peel due to sun exposure, driver side seat is worn with some minor cracks in leather. Rest of interior looks good given it's age.
    I plan to have the Honda detailed and try to sell it on my own. Is $3,900 realistic to ask private party? And if I did get a bite from the dealer, what can I expect...$2k if I'm lucky?
    I know there is no market for a 130k, 11-yr old anything on a car lot.
    Thank you for your time, for making me laugh, and telling Jolie? to stay away from car lots.. You do a great service on this forum and are very much appreciated.
    Peace,
    Lara
    =========================

    Huntsville.? .. right in path of the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail, arguably some of the best golf action in the country ....... good description, thanks ...

    But I digest .... we're lookin' at a 03 Doe Je' Dakota Quad cab 2WD with (gulp) 63k, we got the 4.7 V8, color is not a winner this far south but the interior helps, we have the power pack, moo seats, wheels, cold breeze, bedliner, newish round things, you think the service is 110%, a clean Carsmack and some tall miles ........ "if" - it's clean, nice and it shows/drivers and feels like 25k and no secret affairs at Maaco .. then the dealer probably paid in and around the the super tall $10's low/mid $11's ... so figure a this and that, and it probably hits the table at the tall $11's ........ $14,900.? .. that's a stiff and tall figure for an *asking* price, especially with the tall miles and the non-inviting color ... figure between $12,9 - and $13,5 if you can't live without it ....... so I think your right on the money at $13,2ish ...

    The Honda ...? .. well, uhm, aah, it's got some miles and it's a handshaker.. and it's probably worth about a ghee whiz to a dealer ....... me personally.? .. finish any service, get with the detail gods, drop a Fat Daddy Ad in the "big" paper and $3,900 *asking* and cut that baby loose at the first $2,5/$3,5 ......

    Comments: I never pay much attention to the figures that posters drop in ... but you seem to be right on the $$ on this one ...l.o.l.... almost 28,000 posts, my job here could be completed .... :blush: .... thanks for the compliment ..



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .. **Gainesville, FL
    2005 Audi A4 3.0 Cabriolet
    3.0L 220hp V6 CVT
    FWD
    4800 miles
    Black/Beige
    Options: leather, premium pkg, premium bose sound, Sirius satellite radio, xenon lights, 17"alloy wheels,
    Excellent condition
    Tires... new
    Brakes.. new
    1st owner... Getting ready for 5k maintenance
    Other: Carfax clean
    I would greatly appreciate if someone could please respond for trade value... thank you.**

    ==============================

    Up the street in Gainsville ....... we got this cute little 2005 Audi A4 3.0 Cabriolet .. it's got the 3.0, it's black, the Bozo sound, blinders, Prem pack, it's black, big wheels, super low miles and it's black .... did I mention it was black.? (in Florida, in August - Yikes.!) ..... super right, super perfect, no dings, no love bug attacks, no curb burners, seats been hovered in, showroom condition...??

    If so, then trade side in and around the tall $38ish figure, maybe the low/mid $39ish figure on a fire sale, might "maybe" get reeeeal lucky and get a dealer to stagger into the low low low low low low $40ish figure .... the color kills it, even with all the options and the looooow miles .... Bud, this is Florida - not Findley Ohio ...........



    Terry ;)
  • dakotashopperdakotashopper Member Posts: 14
    Thanks Terry for all the numbers. I offfered the dealer $12,900 OTD. He countered with $13,990 + TTL. If it weren't for that dang high mileage, I may have bit. Gave him my name and number, but don't expect I'll be driving her home. For some reason, the Dakota quads are scarce around here and they sell quickly, so it's probably a market factor pushing these numbers up. I may go back and offer $13,200 + TTL and see what happens. I'll keep you posted.

    As for the numbers I came up with...I learned alot by reading the RWTIV posts, using the various pricing tools as a rough guide, and studying my local market. Needless to say, I've been looking for a few months.

    It's ironic. The price of gasoline is at an all-time high at $2.50/gallon in my area. It's probably the worse time to be needing a gas-guzzling truck. You'd think everyone would be trying to get out of their trucks and SUVs and into more fuel efficient vehicles. Accordingly, the price of these vehicles should be coming down. But nope. One thing I've learned about the South...we love our trucks...LOL!

    Perhaps I need to rethink my options and spend my biggest portion of my money on a good used fuel efficient economy car that's reliable...say a Corolla or Protege for my everyday commute. Then apply whatever is left towards an 'ole beater truck for my ocassional hauling needs. Mainly wanting a truck because I play drums in a band and need it for transporting my gear for local gigs, Home Depot trips, trips for service trips for the riding lawn mower, etc. Ford Rangers and other similar compact trucks are just too small for what I need.
  • astralastral Member Posts: 41
    bump :)
  • mbelhum1mbelhum1 Member Posts: 1
    Greetings,

    I leased a 2004 Nissan Maixma SE in July 2003. My monthly payment is $393.76 for a total of 39 months. I have 13 more payments to go for a total of $5,118.88. I contacted Nissan Motor Acceptance Leasing for a payoff figure and was told it was $20,031.56.
    How do I determine how much I would owe if I went back to Nissan and traded in my lease vechicle for another car? Kelly Blue Book says my Nissan is worth about $17290. Edmunds reflects a Trade-In as follows:

    National Base Price $18,668
    Power Tilt and Telescopic Steering Wheel + $93
    Power Moonroof + $464
    Color Adjustment Silver + $47
    Regional Adjustment for Zip Code 04038 - $86
    Mileage Adjustment 27,598 miles - $411
    Condition Adjustment Outstanding + $713
    Total $19,488

    I want to lower my monthly payment by leasing a less expensive car but am unsure if it makes sense. I don't want to go to the dealer owing money on the trade-in.

    Thanks
    Marc in Portland, Maine
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Terry, You mentioned a few posts above that your job "might" be complete at 28,000 posts...... :cry:

    First, you have done a job here that few people could do. It is absolutely MOST appreciated. Funny thing, I've read everyone of the posts here and I feel, as other do, that we know you personally.

    Please don't quit just yet.... I might need your help in December when I trade my SUV in..... If you decide to retire, Edmund's owes you full retirement with full medical benefits!!

    We'll miss ya if you decide to spend more time basket weaving, golfing, girl hunting, etc.... just cut back on the smokes! :P

    Mark :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • achenatorachenator Member Posts: 128
    I know very little about leases but it looks like your only way out would be to try to sell it privately for payoff plus any early termination fees.(if it is worth that much) If you trade it the negative amount has to go somewhere. You may wind up paying about the same for a lesser car. If it were me, I'd suck it up for 13 more months. Also Terry will also be the first to tell you that there are no outstanding used cars unless you are driving a new m5 w/900 miles, a 19 year old in the pass seat, and a new Yachtmaster in the glovebox. :P

    Come on experts,waddaya think?
  • macgyver5150macgyver5150 Member Posts: 1
    Hi,

    I have a 2004 Corvette Convertible that I am looking to trade in for a 2005 Dodge Ram 3500.

    The car is in pristine condition:

    2004 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (Spiral Gray Metallic with Arctic White top... 9,000 miles)
    ----------------------------------------------------
    6spd
    heads up display
    polished wheels
    memory package
    telescopic steering column
    body side moldings
    auto dim mirrors
    twilight sentinel
    12 cd changer

    I live near Spokane, WA but the closest place I can find the exact truck I want is near Sacramento, CA. I know the trade-in value will be worth more down south, but what I'm wondering is just how much more. I was hoping to get $39,000 to $40,000 for the trade... is that realistic?

    Thanks in advance for the advice

    -Mike
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **Thanks Terry for all the numbers. I offered the dealer $12,900 OTD. He countered with $13,990 + TTL. If it weren't for that dang high mileage, I may have bit. Gave him my name and number, but don't expect I'll be driving her home. For some reason, the Dakota quads are scarce around here and they sell quickly, so it's probably a market factor pushing these numbers up. I may go back and offer $13,200 + TTL and see what happens. I'll keep you posted** ...
    ========================

    It's funny you mentioned the price of gas ............

    A friend of mine was just on the "local TV news" the other day .. he was being interviewed because he owns a boat, and it was about the price of gas and how much it costs him - yatty yatty yatty ...

    So "big George" was crying about it costs him $450 to fill his 35 footer and how he can't afford the prices and how he can't use it as much, etc, etc .. and the news reporter mentioned "Oh my gawd, no wonder at $450 to fill the tank" .. it was a big deal in the neighborhood and big George got his 15 minutes of fame, and since, he's been running around declaring the high cost of life and blah, blah, blah ........ when I ran into George yesterday I mentioned: "you and I have been boaters for about 20+ years, right.? ... last year it cost you about $300 to fill your boat, right.? and it takes you about a month to run the fuel out, right..? .. and knowing "you", you don't run your boat in the cooler weather, so it's fair to say the boat sits 3 months, right...?? .. so it's costing you "about" another $1,350 a year, or "about" $113 more a month, right .??" ....

    Big George was ~ stunned .. he battled that he was paying $5,000 more a year - and even the TV station agreed with him ... what he forgot was (and the TV reporter) there was a cost "before" the $2.50 ($3.00 Marina side) a gallon fuel charge, it's never been free ...l.o.l......

    I guess the point is .. whether your buying a car, or gas, or a new home "always" base your numbers on a - "Difference" figure .. make sure you look at the yesterdays costs and todays cost with a 10% upgrade ...... I have people trading 2 year old Bimmers on a Toyota Prius because they "think" they're going to save $2,500 a year and they only drive 10k a year, some owe more than it's worth -and- some have to pay sales tax ...l.o.l.....

    I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but it's going to take some of those buyers 11 years just break-even (and some of those are CPA's - Yikes.!) ......... doesn't anyone do the math anymore ......?



    Terry :P
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ........ Did I say, what I was smokin' ........?

    I was kinda talkin' to myself (which I do a lot of) when I mentioned the number 28 ..... ya know, like it took 28,000 posts for folks to catch on .... Edmunds, Ha.! they haven't even sent me a T-shirt ...... by the way, it's Dog Dancin' .......



    (cough, sneeze .....)



    Terry ;)
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    "[..]make sure you look at the yesterdays costs and todays cost with a 10% upgrade ......"

    Would you please stop that??? Bad math is the best tool in the CCBA'ers aresenal.

    My wife drives 20k a year, 15k of which she can do with our Vibe (30mpg) instead of the Sienna (20mpg, talking very round numbers). At $2.50 a gallon, I worked out the difference a while ago to $70 a month. Not enough to justify buying another car, definitely not enough to justify trading, as she needs a van frequently.

    But enough for me to go buy a car back in March for myself so she could take over the Vibe! It's all in how you do the math, and when to stop!

    -Mathias
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **Would you please stop that??? Bad math is the best tool in the CCBA'ers aresenal** .......l..o..l......

    Terry.
  • geo9geo9 Member Posts: 735
    If Edmunds won't send ya a free t-shirt I will !!!!!!!

    My bar has its famous "Hangovers Installed and Serviced" shirts.........

    Drop me your address and size to my e-mail in my profile ;)
  • gallileogallileo Member Posts: 51
    Hey terry, thanks for the number.

    I briefly negotatied with the guyfor the 2005 acura tl w/navigation over the weekend. I offered 30K to start, he came back with 32K and he never moved much below that. As I can get a new one for 32,500 without any trouble whatsoever, I passed. He said that once the new 2006's were out next month he would have an easy time selling it for even more than 32,000.

    Thanks again.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    " He said that once the new 2006's were out next month he would have an easy time selling it for even more than 32,000."

    Don't inhale.
    -Mathias
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    He said that once the new 2006's were out next month he would have an easy time selling it for even more than 32,000.

    Why, did they get Chris Bangle to design the 2006 model? :P
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    **Would you please stop that??? Bad math is the best tool in the CCBA'ers aresenal** .......l..o..l......

    Terry.


    Dern right it is! Without bad math how else could I justify trading my Titan in on a diesel. Oh wait, tried that yesterday then hubby (darn voice of reason these days) pointed out that what we would lose in depreciation on the Titan would NEVER be recovered with the somewhat better fuel economy of the diesel so I need to just deal with it. Ruined all my fun, lol. Bad math is definatly a CCBers best friend! :P
  • mirthmirth Member Posts: 1,212
    Terry - just curious what your thoughts were on the resale figures of the hybrids. Edmunds shows them doing pretty well, but what's the "real world" story?
  • cosanostracosanostra Member Posts: 97
    1998 Camry looking to go retail road I think. Purchased used 3years ago from dealer lot.

    Omaha, NE (Husker land)
    1998 Toyota Camry LE
    4dr
    3.0 liter, V6 4-speed auto, FWD
    110,000 miles
    Antique sage pearl/sage (looks tan/tan to me )
    all standard equipment, premium ETR/cassette w/6 speakers, center arm rest, Front side impact airbags.
    Exterior okay, some rock chips on the hood, the normal wear and tear dings from parking lots, nothing huge. No accidents, no late night trips to Macco.
    Interior good. No fry bags. No smoking, no stains. Replaced floor mats as prior ones nicely stained and dirty from 5+ years of Midwest dirt.
    Tires new, brakes new. Original maintenance done at dealer, subsequent done by my trusty local mechanic.

    What am I looking at? Thanks in advance big T!
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Darn good question. Maybe it's like Terry recently said: people are now starting to go crazy trading 2 y.o bmw's for hybrids. Does that mean that energy prices are peaking, for now, or that it's a continuation of the "world running out of oil" scenario? Or both? I wish I was smart enough to figure it out (that & the price of housing in the NorthEast--it's all giving me a giant headache).

    IMO--the best bet now, is to go for the highest fuel economy--& a new Prius for what, $20-$25K?-- almost seems like a no brainer. But the car nut in me is thinking: wait until people start dumping their hot cars, like when people sold their big-block 'Vette's in the early '70's to buy little economy cars, & buy a great car at a discount price. Oh wait--I get it--buy both a Prius, AND a 'Vette, or an M5, then you've got all bases covered--I knew I could figure it out!
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Member Posts: 1,757
    I am not so sure. My co-worker is getting 39-42 mpg on the Civic Hybrid ... and he paid $5k more for the Hybrid than if had bought the same with a traditional engine and got 34 mpg.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **He said that once the new 2006's were out next month he would have an easy time selling it for even more than 32,000** ......

    Right now Acura is sitting in a pretty comfortable chair and the TL business is booming, most dealers have less than a 21 day supply ....

    They have been able to capture all age groups, they come loaded, a super warranty, they have a wonderful track record of reliability and longevity, they ain't bad on the eyes and it's a lot of "bang" for the buck ... I don't doubt he will sell it easily with the 06's on the ground, they're kinda like those silly little CRV's, they get aaaaall the $$ at trade and auction time, they ain't distressed merchandise -- the question is, for how much.? .. probably in and around the $31ish figure ......... you just need to move to a new one for the price difference because "somebody somewhere" will want to save that $30/$35 a month and take the pre-owned over the new one .....

    Keep in mind, the vast majority of buyers are "payment buyers" - not car buyers .............................. ;)



    Terry.

    This will give ya an idea, 15kers are getting the same $$ as 5kers .. go figure.

    05,ACURA,TL,4D SEDAN

    08/03/2005 CEN FLA $ 29,000 6 2 SILVER 6G A X SE
    08/09/2005 SKYLINE $ 27,500 3,867 BLKC 6G A X NE
    08/16/2005 FAAO $ 29,000 4,061 SILVER 6G A X SE
    08/17/2005 MILWAUKE $ 30,000 4,126 DK GRAY 6G A X MW
    08/04/2005 ATLANTA $ 28,800 5,427 SILVER 6G A SE
    07/28/2005 MANHEIM $ 27,750 5,571 2 BLACK 6G T X NE
    07/27/2005 DALLAS $ 29,400 6,387 BLACK 6G A SW
    08/18/2005 ATLANTA $ 29,600 6,536 WHITE 6G A X SE
    08/18/2005 RIVRSIDE $ 29,000 7,431 SILVER 6G M X WC
    07/27/2005 CEN FLA $ 27,800 8,886 PEARL 6G 6 X SE
    08/17/2005 MILWAUKE $ 29,600 9,251 BLACK 6G A X MW
    08/09/2005 DFW $ 30,600 10,983 SILVER 6G S X SW
    07/27/2005 ATLANTA $ 29,500 11,127 WHITE 6G A SE
    07/28/2005 MANHEIM $ 28,500 11,467 BLACK 6G A X NE
    07/27/2005 ATLANTA $ 29,200 12,269 GREY 6G A SE
    08/09/2005 OHIO $ 29,000 14,520 GRAY 6G A X MW
    08/18/2005 RIVRSIDE $ 30,000 15,268 BLACK 6G 6 X WC
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ..... Right now they are strong in the market, kinda like a big fish in a small pond .....

    And some people "really" feel they will save big money, and some will ... -if- they drive 25/45k a year and then keep it 7/8 years ..... but trading in a 2 year old Caddy or a Bimmer that gets 25mpg for a vehicle that gets 35mpg is kinda nutty if they drive 8/12k a year and then drop-in the $5,0/$6,000 of negative "eckity" ... but these are usually the same folks that have refi'd their home 3 times in the last 2 years and think their saving money ..l.o.l.....

    The reason why you see alot of hybrids for sale is -- comfort and size .... you take most drivers out of a Fat Daddy ride and drop them into a small hybrid and I will guarantee in 6 months or less you will see him sneaking around the lots looking at M45's, TL's, CTS's, etc, etc ........ hey, mine is not to reason "why" .. mine is to do or - aah, get paid for it ..........

    To answer your question - example only .... the 05 Ford Escape XLT 4x4 "Hybrid" is doing ..... drum roll please .... in and around the $25/$26 range at the auctions with 5/7k ------------------ Yikes.!



    Terry ;)
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **Aug 18, 2005 (9:15 pm)
    Would appreciate your input:
    Seattle
    2000 Mercedes-Benz S430
    4.3 liter V8
    RWD
    Brilliant silver / gray (it has a fancier name than that)
    65,000 miles
    Almost everything was standard. I added CD changer & rear window screen when I ordered it.
    Perfect interior. A couple of rock dings on hood, otherwise perfect
    Tires approx half worn
    Brakes have lots of life left
    Maintained by the book
    Original owner, purchased new in January 2000. Runs perfectly, but I've got the hots for a new car!
    ================================

    Another West Coaster from Isells territory .......

    In Seahawk land ... we have a 00 MB S430, it's got the 4.3, miles are waaay low for the year, we got the right color, the rubber might be a little scarce, maintence by the manual and you know the previous owner ....... if ~ it's super nice, seats look hovered in, no KFC in the back seats, no paint by numbers, no curb attacks and it looks and drives like a 03 ....... then trade side, in and around the super tall $23's low/mid $24's, might "maybe" could get a dealer to wander towards $25,0 if it's puuuuurfect, glows in the dark and it needs less than -0- ...........

    let me know ...........

    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    **Hi,
    I have a 2004 Corvette Convertible that I am looking to trade in for a 2005 Dodge Ram 3500.
    The car is in pristine condition:
    2004 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (Spiral Gray Metallic with Arctic White top... 9,000 miles)
    ----------------------------------------------------
    6spd
    heads up display
    polished wheels
    memory package
    telescopic steering column
    body side moldings
    auto dim mirrors
    twilight sentinel
    12 cd changer
    I live near Spokane, WA but the closest place I can find the exact truck I want is near Sacramento, CA. I know the trade-in value will be worth more down south, but what I'm wondering is just how much more. I was hoping to get $39,000 to $40,000 for the trade... is that realistic?
    Thanks in advance for the advice
    -Mike
    ===============================

    Mornin' Mike ...... a good description in Spoooookane ...

    Right color, right miles, Oooop's handshaker - HID, Poland wheels, it's got all the junk .......... if it's "stand tall", in the wrapper and it looks and drives like - well you know, like brand spankin' new ....... then trade side, in and around the low/mid $37ish figure, might maybe get a dealer to get into the low low low $38ish range ........... "was hoping to get $39,000 to $40,000 for the trade... is that realistic?" .. anything is possible, but realistic is the word here ... the miles and the color save it, but the handshaker taketh away .....

    don't forget the update .................

    Terry.
  • mirthmirth Member Posts: 1,212
    Thanks Terry. That's interesting about people going from big vehicles to small hybrids. Pretty funny. ;)
  • caddyluvrcaddyluvr Member Posts: 16
    I bought this car about a month ago, thinking a super-large sedan would pacify my wife's demands for a mini-van. Didn't work, so I gotta sell the luxo-barge:

    Detroit Metropolitan area
    1996 Cadillac Sedan Deville
    4dr Sedan
    4.6L V-8 (Northstar Engine)
    FWD
    49,850 miles
    Blue with Blue leather interior
    Heated seats with power recline
    Condition: When I bought the car, I bought from the original owner and there was some "deferred maintenance" on the vehicle. So I put on all new pads/rotors, new battery, flushed the rad fluid, changed ALL the fluids, and spent a long time cleaning, polishing, spit shine, etc. As a result, it's in great shape now. A couple door dings, perhaps making it look a *touch* higher mileage than it really is, but this is a 10 yr old car after all. No burger king battles, no accidents, tires are 75%+, and like I said maintenance is now 112%. It literally drives like a brand new car, just awesome.

    I placed the following ad in autotrader:
    Click here

    I'm asking $6650 but realize this is too high. I'm considering trading it in on a minivan but wanted to see what I might expect on this car. Also, what should I expect if my attempts down Retail Rd are successful? With miles this low I don't know how much to expect.

    Thanks!!!! :)
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I'm laughing because that occured to me after your post re: people dumping their 2 y.o. bmw's to buy Priuses. Going from.....almost ANY bmw, from the last 10 years even, if it's in nice condition, to a Prius or Civic has gotta be a huge adjustment. Now if bmw started selling the X5 Diesel here, or Toyota a 4Runner Hybrid, I might get interested..... :)

    *you take most drivers out of a Fat Daddy ride and drop them into a small hybrid and I will guarantee in 6 months or less you will see him sneaking around the lots looking at M45's, TL's, CTS's, etc, etc*
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  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ...**Near Toledo Ohio
    2001, Chev Monte Carlo SS
    3800 V6, Auto, FWD
    5700 ( yep, 5700) Miles
    Black with charcoal grey leather guts
    Loaded with full power, Power slider sunroof, onstar,
    Spotless in and out .
    Thinking about selling it rather than trading it. Momma needs something to pull a horse trailer with.
    Ask/take??**..
    ===============================

    Holy Toledo ....!!!

    We're sittin' on a 01 Chevy SS Monte Carlo ..... it's got the V6, 5,700 itty bitty miles, right color for the area, it's got the whole in the roof plus all the rest of the junk ...

    No kisses, no battles at K-Mart, no secret rendezvous at Maaco, no I drove over my mothers brick patio deck ..?? ... if so, then trade side in and around the low/mid $10's ......... Retail Rd..? .. super clean, ultra super Ad and $12,900 *asking* and wave bye bye at the first $12/$12,5 ....... the low miles will sell this one ......

    Terry.
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