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19K was sounding kind of high, but I am not the one with the access!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Pittsburgh, PA
2007 Toyota Sienna CE
Van
Engine-3.5
FWD
Mileage-32,000
Tires- just replaced about 8k miles ago
Brakes- original
Color- Gold
Options- just roof rack and cruise control
No repaint or ding, the check engine light comes on sometimes. Dealer said he needs to replace the sensor for about $500.
Thanks.
The fact that Honda priced the new Ody $2 grand higher than that doesn't help matters either. That sent a lot of minivan shoppers looking for used ones.
Back in 07 when I got mine they were $25k, so prices have crept up a bit.
The Ody continues that trend.
I think we had one traded in once and nobody would buy it. It ended up at the auction where we ended up losing money.
It's amazing what people can't seem to live without!
as to price creep, partly due to more standard stuff, but as noted, the odyssey has practically the same equipment for a much higher price.
Might have to do with the shrinking market. Not as much of a commodity, and they can get the remaining buyers (that are sticking with minivans regardless) to pay a bit more)?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
But, unless you go back to the old domestic model of no 2 cars exactly alike, not really a way around it. And Honda was probably the biggest culprit in the market heading this direction, with there limited model line with no options.
So, for someone like me that requires a moonroof or I won't buy, on many cars I have to go to a higher than desired trim level, or get a bunch of other stuff (like a nav system) in order to get that must have item!
while other people that never use the roof complain about having to pay for it, just to get something else that they want.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Still, the things that people "require" seems to grow every year.
People "need" leather, backup cameras, navigation, XM radios etc.
How did we ever get by?
Speaking of features...those had hand crank windows, manual door locks, and am/fm radios. She thinks our Ody is a total waste of money!
I'm surprised she hasn't had to replace the transmission on the '96 a couple of times!
When did those become mainstream items on the value-priced model? Seriously. No wonder he price is $2 grand higher now.
I checked and the local dealer has 100 Siennas in stock, just 4 of them are the 4 banger model. So kind of rare, but not hard to find.
Amazing how much stuff has become standard anymore. My 04 Ody EX would be considered a stripper these days.
Wow, it's pretty low. I was hoping b/t 13-14k. If he can find/get a base V6 at invoice, he still needs to add about 12-14k +TTL. 14K depreciation is a lot for a 4 years old car at this price. That's about the same depreciation as my G.
The 3spd 4cyl models came later, with the 96+ body style. I may have the year not quite right, but it's close. For one thing, only the SWB model got the four. C&D did a test and found the power adequate and the transmission well matched. They said if you paid attention you could feel the converter lockout engage in 2nd and 3rd, and it felt like a 5speed.... they may have tried to be funny.
In Consumer reports, the engine got atrocious ratings, and I did see them in auction reports occasionally, and half of those seemed to be in bad shape.
Part of the problem is of course that the low-end models get sold strictly on the payment, and then lots of people find they can't make it and neglect the maintenance. So around 40-60k it's taps.
Cheers -Mathias
If memory serves, one of the V6 engines was also available with the three-speed auto, which would be an upgrade for someone who was justifiably worried about the overdrive transmission but wanted more power.
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You are almost certainly right about that, but I'm actually surprised by the performance of the 4-cylinder Sienna. MT tested a 2011 Sienna LE 4-cylinder and it managed a 0-60 time of 9.5 seconds. They said "it felt plenty peppy in normal driving" and it got 22mpg overall. The odd thing is that the 4cyl is rated at 19/24mpg and the V6 at 18/24mpg, according to fueleconomy.gov. So there doesn't appear to be any fuel economy advantage. It will save on purchase price but there doesn't appear to be much savings after that....
How much power do most minivans really need anyway? But customer perception is everything. When I was growing up, my dad and grandpa both wouldn't even consider a V6- everything had to have a V8!
as to power, MT tested an empty van with just a driver. the problem will come in when it is loaded to the gills, like vans often are.
Put 4-5 passengers and some junk in th etrunk inone of these, and even a V6 will seem a bit strained. And do it through the hills, that is where you are going to notice the idfference.
and the MPG ratings point out the fact that on a big heavy vehicle, the small engine is not always going to be more efficient, since it has to work a lot harder.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Put 4-5 passengers and some junk in th etrunk inone of these, and even a V6 will seem a bit strained. And do it through the hills, that is where you are going to notice the difference."
You make a very good point. I have a friend who has a Jeep Commander 4x4 with the base 3.7L V6 (210hp moving 5000lbs)! It's slow enough with just the driver, but we made the mistake of loading it up with seven people then heading to the North Georgia mountains! Several times I thought we'd have to get out and push it up some of those hills...and I think the Avg MPG dropped below 10mpg on that trip...
It's always nice to have surplus power. I can pass trucks and tractors on 2-lane roads on my trips to the beach on the Eastern Shore of MD, for instance.
And this is with 4 people, a dog, and lots of luggage.
I don't think I'd even attempt to pass if I had the 4 banger.
Vans are road trip vehicles and they're often packed with stuff. I think a 4 banger would be fine around town, FWIW, but fill it up for that trip and head for the hills, and you'll be wanting that V6 on long uphill sections.
Perhaps most importantly - I usually get 26-28mpg on trips. So no sacrifice on mileage. The V6 is geared tall, so it revs ultra-low, which saves gas. I think my worst tank ever was 20.9 mpg.
I had a 4-cylinder Toyota Highlander as a rental car back in July when I visited my cousin in L.A. It felt adequate until I ventured onto the expressway....then I was obviously the weakling against the uber-aggressive L.A. drivers. I don't want to imagine what it would've been like if I had another 1000lbs of passengers and luggage aboard!
I drove straight to her house about 30 minutes from LAX and then I used her Lexus GX470 for the rest of my two week visit! I dumbed the Highlander on the Nanny for carpool duty....she loved it, but she never goes over 30mph I don't think...
I guess it's relative to weight. A fwd Odyssey is as heavy or heavier than most crossovers/suvs/sedans. It has 800# on a Venza, 600# on a Taurus, and about the same as an MDX or Explorer. Obviously a Venza can get along with a lot less power.
Twice the stuff, twice the payload (potentially).
Regardless, odds are that weight is more a factor than volume. What are the weight limits for the vehicles in question?
But it's tougher to reach that volume - specifically the 3rd row.
Then again we're looking at trading the Odyssey in on a new Explorer.
The vans have 150 cubic feet of cargo capacity, behind the first row.
A sampling of SUVs:
Tribeca: 74.4
Murano: 81.6
Edge: 69.0
Pilot: 87.6
Explorer (old one): 85.8
Pathfinder: 80.1
4Runner: 75.1
Highlander: 95.4 (really? it's that big? wow...)
So it depends on which model you're talking about, but vans do offer more than double the space of a few of these.
34,000 miles
red
power windows, locks,a/c,cd,rear defroster,split folding rear seats
no damage or repairs-normal parking lot dings for age
regular oil changes,tire rotation-original tires
looking again for trade in value
thanks