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The American manufacturers have caught up in many ways, and produce some fine cars. Some auto writers will take a decade of excellence before it registers with them.
Homerkc: I know what you mean about CR, they couldn't wait to [quote]"be able to recommend the Passat again" according to their winter New Car Ed.Its reliabilty rating had improved to "average".
I would have expected better than that given the rep. At least the Cavalier isn't a "nameplate to avoid" like the New Beetle or the Neon
Concerning your cite about the transmissions in the Accord and Intrepid, this is what CR said:
Accord- " The four speed automatic doesnt shift quite as smoothly as the best among these vehicles, although you can opt for a manual shift on four cylinder Accords"
Intrepid- " The four speed automatic is not as responsive as the others here"
How are they fundamentally different?
Perhaps you are just upset because your car, perceived as "great" by you or otherwise, was not rated as highly as others.
Now, getting back to the Cavalier..........
~alpha
(Disclaimer: All of the examples cited are based on Consumer Reports New Car Preview 2002, or Jan and Feb 02 issues)
Anybody know technically what's going on and what can be modified, etc?
You are a silly, ill mannered poster that complaints left and right about his Impala because the DIC is 18% off...oh my gawd!!
...and expects GM to buy it back, LOL.
The one that clearly needs to get a life and some very needed manners is YOU.
'Nuff said
The Cavalier is an embarrasement for GM as an automaker.
Toyota and Honda have proved over the last 20 years that a budget priced vehicle can offer superior quality, technology and safety.
GM can do it too.
www.opel.com
I do however think a replacement is way overdue and Lutz should make it a priority.
Driver information centre, you say!! GM took care of our concerns, yesterday(jan 15). Dave Westgate GM service representative gave Bill and I in writing the following because we were persistant. FREE OIL/FILTER CHANGES at any GM dealer until 60,000 km or 3 years is reached. I am only at 4,600 right now. Option to purchase Deluxe extended GM warranty at anytime prior to the original 3 year warranty expiring at GM,s cost of the warranty about 1/2 price, and that if a fix is found for our D.I.C. in the future we will have ours fixed.
YAHHHOOOOOOOOOOO!! But no new car as you always suggested. We even mentioned that to him, we thought he might go for it. We had a good laugh!
PS: I still like the Cavalier basic transportation at an economical price. But does need updating. Hopefully when I have another concern with my car and I post it you don't jump all over me again.......(no hard feelings) over and out
Glad to hear GM did the right thing for you. Persistance really pays off.
No hard feelings from this side either.
The rear end looks too blah and could use a kick too.
I always do the normal maintenance myself (oil & filter change, radiator drain & refill, tire rotation, chassis lube, spark plug change, PCV change, air filter change). These services are all easy to do on a Cavalier (oil filter location is awkward but can still be changed from above).
The only problems I have had worth mentioning are rust on door bottoms (through the 1987 model, but not on later models) and alternator failures on two Cavaliers (1987 & 1992, both replaced on extended warranty basis after some arguing with dealer).
I feel the 1996 Cavalier Coupe styling is still handsome and does not appear dated at all in comparison to competition. Having read so many derogatory comments about the Cavalier, I want to offer encouragement to those who might be considering buying a car that has been very, very good to me !!
In the end I would just try and work some thing out with the dealer (ie. split the $400 difference). If you hate your dealer now or sales person, go to another one if you can.
I had a similar problem when I bought a used Accord many years back. The guy gave me a price (in writing), but he discounted too much and his boss rejected the deal. I was mad, but I still bought the car after the manager gave me a few free oil changes ect. The auto business is not a clean one unless you visit Saturn or something. Even then, no guarantee.
I understand your point about the contract and all, but if the discount was listed in error, I would be a bit more understanding. I have made mistakes quoting to my customers, and in some cases would lose my shirt if they didn't allow me to correct my error. (I'm not a car salesman) GM has so many damn programs that it gets confusing to sort out.
I read about a discount for "friends and family" of GM employees and tried to get it. I got several different stories from several different people, it was that confusing.
When I bought my Alero this month, if I would have bought my car 1 business hour later, I would have saved another $500. (GM increased the rebates) It makes you mad, and there's alwasy the suspicion that the dealer was deliberately deceptive. But I know that the dealer did not knowingly have me pay $500 more, and they have nothing to gain by it since it's not their money, but factory money.
GM sells cars to dealers, not individuals. SO it seems your beef is with the dealer.
Good luck in your quest, but I wouldn't hold it against GM in general. How many other companies give such generous college grad rebates.
Have you called the GM phone number for incentive programs? I got the number from a dealer if you need it and could email it to you. I got tired of asking sales reps about program details.
Good luck with your Cavs!
Meade
Well, 626s have Ford mechanicals, for starters. So much for American reliability.
Say what you want about Mazdas being "far from trouble-free" -- this will be our fourth Protege. The first three HAVE been trouble-free (well, except for the one I totaled in 1992 -- but I consider that "user error," LOL)!
Here's some pics to prove my credentials -- just don't laugh to hard at that pic of me before I lost some weight!
http://www.geocities.com/negatize/specialty_old6.htm
Meade
But to Meade's defense, Dindak, the 626 is built with Ford mechanicals. I have an office mate who has trouble with his wife's 626 all the time, and it's only got like 55K on it.
Meade
And baseball and hot dogs and Chevrolet? Ugh, I think I am going to yak...
Meade
Source: Autosite.com sales volume
I've been screwed a number of times by THIS PARTICULAR car. If yours is great, wonderful! I choose not to take the chance again, and will instead go with a vehicle with which I've had three flawless examples. Maybe I've been lucky; I don't know. But all I know is what I've experienced.
That IS human nature, after all, isn't it? My dad asked me why I just purchased a Toshiba for my new 36-inch TV, when I could've chosen another brand like Sony or JVC which are touted as top-of-the-line. Well, I told him the reason: I have a 20-inch Toshiba that's been through a half-dozen moves, a couple of nasty power surges and other mishaps and it's working like a champ. Oh, did I mention it's approaching 15 years old? There was no question which brand of TV I was going to choose for my new one. Experience!
(Dindak, I'm saying this more for malibu99 than for you.)
So farewell, Cavalier fans! My dealer will confirm or deny your claims to quality with his trade-in offer!
Meade
Do you feel compelled to get back at each poster that refutes your claims of unhapiness as an owner of a Cavalier?
Get over it.
You have get rid of the thing and soon you'll be driving a spanking new Protege5.
Time to move on and BTW, enjoy your new car.
I would think if the terms of a signed contract were changed with out both sides consent, the contract is null and void.