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HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meade
allenorygun : Ahh.. sorry, I didn't realize you had the car already. I still think most of the blame is with the dealer. They should know GM policy and should not have written in the $400 rebate. They also did it in a strange way as when I got my grad rebate 10 years ago, it was taken off the total check I gave them right away. I did not go back to get a rebate from them. Sounds like the dealer did a little bait and pull. VERY BAD DEALER!
My beef with GM would be with the dealerships dishonesty. Maybe try that angle as I don't think GM will give you your $400 is their policy is not to combine it with a GMS discount.
mdaffron, grow up.
You were having tough times and you bought a new car,i really can't feel for you.
Good luck with the car. Our 99 Cavalier goes back in 5 months (after a 3 yr lease). Not sure what's next, but the dealer said there was a $1000 "upgrade" credit towards a Malibu or Alero. Sounds like a possible plan if it's still on in June.
Good luck!
Your '92 could not possibly be under warranty anymore. Why are you taking it to the dealer for repairs?! Find a good area shop. You won't pay such a premium!
Meade
At least you can be thankful you have a cavalier...replacing such a part on an import would have been much more expensive. How many miles on your cavalier?
Also, they are campaigning a Cavalier drag car to go against Civics at import nats.
An interesting thought about the first generation J cars...They may possibly be the most mass produced vehicle of all time. I know most people say it would be the model T with 15 million or the VW bug with 20 million, but if you add up all the J cars produced form 1982 to 1994 what's the total? After all, they were all basically the same vehicle whether it was a Cavalier, J2000, Firenza, Cimmaron, (what was the Buick called? can't remember....).
Part of the insistence that the "Cavalier is a 20 year old design" is that a lot of people aren't concerned about the credibilty of their statements, but prefer to post misinformation because it makes the story sound better. After all "everyone knows" those millions of Cavaliers out there were all "junk" who needs to be accurate? The R.L. Polk data claims [per the advertising] that "more of them are still on the road than any other small car". I see many many many of them here in the L.A. area from 82 on up. The Polk data is for registrations, which could also mean that one sitting in the weeds is still "registered".
Also, the Cimmarons and other look alikes didn't sell in big numbers to add much to the global totals.
The 1995 redesign was mainly body, interior and safety systems. The platform is still the same dated junk GM should have dumped back in 1986.
The Opel versions of the Cavalier have nothing to do with the made in the USA J-body cars. The current Opel Astra rides on a platform that is 20 years ahead of that of the Cavalier.
Justify your ancient cars all you want, instead of asking GM to bring a truly competitive world class small vehicle that can take it up with the Ford Focus, VW Golf/Jetta and Mazda Protege.
No wonder GM keeps churning them out. Its customer base only wants a mediocre "Good enough" car to go by.
Wake up J-body fans, this car is seriously outdated and out of touch with the market.
Guys ignore this guy, he puts down just about any car that does not have a leeping deer on the trunk. Don't get me wrong, I love Chevy , but he new Impala is a disgrace to the Impala heritage, can't wait till Chevy replaces that heap with atrue Impala.
Perhaps I am underinformed...if so please bring me up to speed. What specifically makes the cavalier platform junk?
I do not buy into the idea that just because something is old, it is bad. It would help your argument to be specific. It may sound cool to repeatedly use phrases like "ancient", or other cars are "20 years" ahead, but it does little to convince those who think.
Again, I am not necessarily saying that is what you are doing, since I know little about the platform issue. But a little information would be helpful to me!
Thanks,
John
In some ways the Cavalier is nastier than the old Topaz which is was nicely updated than the worst car I've ever owned an 86 Tempo. (I bought the Top. used for my daughter, the other two were new purchases.)
Unlike my other daughter's 1990 Prizm, the Cav. could not be called a pleasant driving experience. It's like sitting in a bucket. But it gets you there.
However, the Cavalier with the 2.2 engine has been fairly reliable. In 75K miles it's gone through a valve cover gasket, an ignition lock module (my fault for hanging too many keys off it) and an alternator. It gets 25+ mpg in mixed driving and burns little if any oil. I don't like automatic transmissions but the four speed was pretty nice. Other than 4000 mile oil changes-- $11.99 at Wal-Mart, get them to substitute the Wal-Mart filter for the standard Fram-- its cost me next to nothing in maintenance. The dealer assures me he's had no trouble backing the original spark plugs out for replacement even at 100K.
If I lose my Hyundai keys with remote and the chip I'm out big bucks-- don't even want to think about it. I get the theft protection discount in the Cav. with a rather cheap system that uses 75 cent Wal-Mart keys. I also pay less for insurance since Cav. parts are readily available and in-expensive. Any boob will be able to fix it and mechanical parts like body parts should be available from a wide variety of sources.
I mentioned the Topaz because that was an example of another crude car that was replaced with a far more sophisticated world car platform. The Contour/Mystique got great reviews, but it's shuttled off this mortal coil (at least in America) while the Cav. motors on. Sometimes that's not all bad. However, would I pay the same or more for a Cavalier when cars like the Elantra are available for the same money???-- no way.
Back to Cavalier. The interior and the noises to me make the car crude. It sells well, but only with rebates.
When will a new one come that will sell without rebates?
So let's let it go and get our attention back on the Cavalier.
Thanks.
Pat
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The minute GM stops giving $2500 rebates on the Cavalier just watch those things pile up in dealer lots catching dust.
Tomcat: The Cavalier will sell again in quantities without hefty incentives when the next generation "Delta" Chevy Astra makes it to market in 2004.
GM is hurting in the low end of the car market because its offerings are no longer competitive.
Suggestion: Go and climb inside (and drive) a basic 2002 VW Golf GL 4-door. That car looks, feels and drives like a near luxury sedan, but it costs 50% less. My sister bought a new Golf 2 weeks ago...what a car! The interior, materials, fit and finish, handling, details and the whole cleverness of the design leaves the Cavalier in the dust. 6 Airbags, ABS, adjustable headrests in all seating positions, lap shoulder seats belts for everyone, incredible brakes. If VW can make a WORLD CLASS small car, why can't GM the NUMERO UNO manufacturer in the world?
Bob Lutz: Please bring the Opels and pronto!
In the end, a replacement is overdue and hopefully Bob and the boys will make it a priority. Until then people who want a Cavalier can enjoy cheap cars with big rebates. I know our lease rate is 0.9%. Don't think you will find many cars offering that kind of deal.
Interior materials, fit and finish, engine (as you mentioned)...even ride characteristics can be revised without a change in platform.
Don't misunderstand me, I think it's past time for GM to remake this car, I just am still trying to fully understand this platform issue.
But the car deep down is still a 1981 product. Just think about it. A 2002 Cavalier/Sunfire still ride on a platform that was developed in the late 1970's! Ouch!
I'm still looking forward to see what GM brings out with the new Vauxhall/Opel based Cavalier replacement. Hope they make a 5-door hatch available.