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High Performance Luxury Sedans



  • thanks 4 the info, i might try to get an out-of-the-door price that under $90k.
  • Bought a new Chrysler Pacifica for the wife and kids. Love it but I want a "new" car. I can buy a used 1995-96 XJR for less than 15K. This seems like a great deal for a car that will take me to work and back and sit in the hot Oklahoma sun all day during the work week. Does anyone have any bad stories about the early XJR and why I should not buy one?
    I love the new one but unfortunately, the funds needed to buy one go to more important, read kids, things. Any input from previous owners would be greatly appreciated.
    Anything specific to look for when shopping? What fails on this car?

    I could lease the new X-Type for the $279/mo as advertised but the used XJR is so tempting and much bigger inside.

    Thanks for the help
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    The XJR is a great car, you'll enjoy it. I'd cautio against thinking it is more spacious inside than the X-Type, because it truly isn't. It is big outside, surprisingly cozy inside.

    And truly take into consideration that the XJR is very expensive in maintenance. If kids are the priority, justifying $2k on new tries every 10k miles ("normal", Jaguar told me) can be hard to justify.

    It's a great car, though, just not as utilitarian as its appearance might lead many people to conclude (and the car magazines never mention the "other side" in their big HP sedan articles).
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I don't have the CLK 500 or the C 32 anymore, just the E55 and the SL55. Once you have this engine everything else seems slow.

    The CLK 500 seemed very soft after I got the other two AMG cars. I have to say that AMG works magic on Mercedes. Everything is sharper- brakes, suspension, throttle response, transmission. Driving the C 32 killed my affair with the CLK.

    The C32 is more of a boy racer experience, it never relaxes. The suspension is firm, the steering is firm, you always hear the whine from the supercharger. This is usually great fun, but I wanted something more mature.

    Someone in my office asked me the other day how I decide which AMG to drive. The E55 is very laid back and can pass for just another E class if you want it to. I also love how AMG dresses up the interiors with better leathers. The SL55 can be driven mildly as well, but the agressive sounding exhaust always eggs you on. Believe it or not, I think the E55 handles better than the SL55, crisper turn in and feels lighter on its feet. The dealer changed my pads on the SL55 and the brakes are quiet now.

    I could live with either car as a full time ride.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Thanks for the reply. I can only imagine what it must be like coming "down" from a SL55 or E55 to a C32 or a "mere" CLK500. Such a wonderful to dilema to be in. I can see why you'd feel the E55 handles better than the SL55, the E55 does have a slight weight advantage and the same torque as the SL55. I have to ask you whats next as a far as Benzes go, a CL65 or S55 or something along those lines?

    Also, I'm glad to hear you're seemingly satisfied with your Benz products, I thought MB was going to loose you at one time.

  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I am very devoted to AMG products at this point. The marque I have given up on at this time is BMW. I will wait until the Bangle line is replaced with something more traditional.

    I think that between the E55 and the SL55, I am pretty well set for a while.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Just curious - why 2 sedans? Why not the more usual sedan+sportscar combo? Personal preference? Granted neither of the 2 cars give anything away to sportscars performance-wise, but typically people with more cars go for less functional similarity. But then again, for all we know you have an SLR on order... :-)
  • jtatmajtatma Posts: 3
    Can anyone be so kind as to give me an honest opinion on a potential purchase? I have found a 1998 XJR with 17,000 miles. The asking price is $30k. Clearly the manufacturer's warranty has expired, except for rust of course.

    Any input would be greatly appreciated.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Two thoughts - check the Edmunds TMV by following the Used blue tab at the top of this page. Also, go ask the guys in Real-World Trade-In Values over in Smart Shopper. Read some of the messages there before you post so that you'll see the type of information they need from you to help.

    Good luck!
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I don't have two sedans, the SL55 is a 2 seat convertible, and the E55 is the 4 door sedan. Performance on either is electrifying.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    What do you think about the CL Mercedes? Say like a CL55 or CL65? Could either one of them be in your future?

  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Damn me, I had been reading S55. Thanks for the clarification. From where you are, the only road ahead is Brabus. :-)
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I suppose AMG is just trying to figure out ways to get me to buy more cars. Trouble is, the SL55 and E55 are already too damn fast. I floor the accelerator and the electronic nannies only let me go so fast depending on the road conditions. So even if I had more power, the nannies won't let me use it. Maybe under the best of conditions I can get an extra few tenths of a second faster to 60, but I am not shelling out an extra 200 large for the SLR, for example.

    Of the AMG cars, I like the E55, SL55 and C32 the best. The S55 and CL55 seem too large and isolated. The C32 is like an M3, the SL55 like a German muscle car, the E55 is on the edge between luxury and performance and the CL/S55 are firmly planted in the luxury side of the equation. I feel like an old guy when I drive the CL even though it is beautiful. I don't have these feelings in the C32/SL55/E55.

    Or maybe it is just me.
  • jtatmajtatma Posts: 3
    I have a friend that purchased the 03 E55 and took delivery about 2 weeks ago. Brilliant machine.

    If I am not mistaken the torque on both the SL55 and E55 are the same, as is the engine for that matter.

    So is there a way to unlock the additional 30 ponies that the SL has on the E55? I have heard rumors that the dealer's mechanics can flip a couple of switches and unlock the horsepower...
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    The way I heard it, the difference in the horsepower output of these two engines is due to the more restrictive exhaust in the E55. I can attest to the fact that the exhaust note of the E55 certainly sounds more restricted than the SL55, but due to the additional weight in the SL55, it feels no faster.
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    Indeed, every review I have heard of even more tuned cars is that they accelerate just the same from 0-140mph, because it's a simple fact you can only get so much power on the road with street legal tires etc. Physics. The difference seems to kick in well above 100mph. Whether that's something one would every use in the US, or for that matter even on German autobahns, is up to everybody to decide. To top it off, something like a Brabus comes with a hyper-performance set-up that leads to the car driving like #@! in everyday situations... indeed diminishing returns.

    The CL is actually my favorite car of the Merc line up these days. I am very partial to GTs, and think it's a beautiful car. But their electronics have a terrible reliability record, pity. A friend with a CL600 gets stranded so often...
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    I picked up my new 2004 Jaguar XJR last night. I felt bad saying goodbye to my 2002 Q45, but this XJR is a rocket, and it handles like a car that is much smaller than it really is.

    I am really impressed with this car, but as a high mileage driver, I am still slightly cautious about how reliable it will be in the long run. I have had such a solid service history with Infiniti, so I am curious to see how the "new Jaguar" holds up.
  • I hope that you enjoy your new car. I am thinking of trading my Lexus for a XJ8. Please keep us posted on your ownership experience.
  • My brother who lives in Chicago just leased a new E55 last week. I think he is having post purchase remorse as he is very concerned about this car in the winter months in Chicago. This is his daily driver.

    I would like some help from other E55 owners who live in snow climates with some opinions on:

    1. How the car handles in winter with and without snow tires.
    2. What snow tires are best for the E55 especially given the hp/torque and RWD.
    3. Any other suggestions on improving traction/handling in inclement weather.

  • Tell your brother he's going to need dedicated snow tires for his car. Absolutely, do not drive in wintery conditions with the stock tires. With low-profile/performance tires, the car will be helpless.

    Check out for winter tires and rims. The site allows an user to enter his make and model. It will then recommend a tire and wheel package.

    Also, Benz enthusiasts sites would probably give added insight into winter tires.

    This will take some research but here are two high-traffic MB enthusiast sites with forums:

    For my M5, I'm going with a combination of what Consumer Reports recommends for tires and what tirerack suggests for rims:

    Dunlop Winter Sport M2 tires on Borbet Type E rims.

    Also, my M3--a RWD, high-HP car--handled great in the snow with Michelin Pilot Alpins, which are meant for low-to-medium snowfall conditions. This will be my first winter with the M5.
  • Am close to buying an '02 xjr and wondered if anyone had any comments on them re pricing and what options if any they came with.

    Know of any good jaguar pre-owned sites?

  • Am very close to buying a brand new E55 and wondered if anyone had any comments about the Turbo Charged Engine. Does it require more maintenance and is it as reliable as a naturally aspirated one?
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    Road & Track said that the E55 is better than Audi RS6(450 hp) because it feels more comfortable, and both can beat a corvette and keep up with a viper. WOW.
    I had a 1994 Jag XJ-12, but did not like the handling and electrical problems. Test drove the 2002 XJR and loved it ; more horses and better handling.
     All these are super high performance cars. I did not like the BMWs, but they are very good also. I am seriously thinking about a new E55 or RS6. I sold the 2000 Boxster and Jag and Previa. Now I have 2 SUVs, but need a sedan.

    By the way, these cars have really blurred the line between sedans and sports cars.

    For mercedes there is also another tuner, Kleeman.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    You might want to polish up your knowledge of the car before you plunk down the cash. The E55 is supercharged, not turbocharged. Aside from that, the car is designed to run under forced induction so it should last just as long as a naturally aspirated counterpart, if not longer, considering the reinforced internal parts.

    I, too, am considering an E55. But with the new CTS-V coming, I might just get that instead.
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    highender, If you liked the 2002 XJR you should take the all new '04 version for a spin. Of course, the XJR is more of a luxury/performance hybrid, and it certainly is not as aggressive or sporty as an RS6 or E55.

    The CTS-V looks to be a top performer, at a great price, but the looks of the CTS seem to be somewhat of an acquired taste...

    The E55 is much prettier to my eyes...It is also more refined and subtle...Of course, it is much more expensive too.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    True enough about the CTS' looks, but at a $30K+ savings, its looks could grow on me real quick. And its estimated performance numbers are undeniable. That just makes it even easier to get used to.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    forgive my ignorance, but what is a CTS-V ? is it a cadillac ? Can it really compare with the european super sedans ? Can you give me some hp and performance figures.... thanks

    I really like the looks and performance of the E55, and XJR. I have the Cayenne Turbo, but would like a sedan. It would be "her" car..heh heh heh.!!(big smirk on my face).
    I don't mind the new look of cady's, like the SLR.
  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    The CTS-V is a high output, super-sport version of the CTS.....specs should be available on Caddy site or Internet.
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