Thinking ahead, how open is this NAV system? how long until I can browse the web? will I need a totally new system or are there parts that can be reused?
If I just get the EX, what would it take for me to later add a NAV, say next year when all glitches are gone and new features are added?
you cannot add the Nav... the dash is different, it is not an option... it is a model. you could however ad clarions system which would allow several uses and more down the road.
My fears about the keys were unfounded. The remote starter does start the Ody and would cut off the engine (if an attempt is made to shift out of park or the brake pedal is depressed) if the immobilizer key is not inserted.
One annoying thing about the setup is that the remote control for the remote starter is not integrated with the Honda keyfob remote -- I now have two keyfob controls to carry... very bulky.
All good things about the Ody aside (reliability, roominess, etc.), the most fun I've had with it was using the Nav system. A great feature was searching for restaurants within close proximity of your current position.
A couple things to nitpick about:
The shifter should've been shortened and placed where the wiper controls are now. The signal stalk should be a bit lower, making room for the wiper control stalk which should've been located on the left side with it. Right now the shifter is in the way of the Nav screen and radio controls, putting it in danger of being jostled accidentally.
I already banged my knee twice while trying to get into the driver's seat. The dashboard has a protruding corner on the driver's side that should've been flatten. For that matter, the passenger's side has one too.
BTW, is the $835 price for the 7/100000/$0 extended warranty still the going rate these day?
I've read that the DVD nav system CD can be taken out. Has anyone tried putting in the CD into their DVD drives in their PC? I'm curious to see if the software was written on a PC, Mac, OS/2 or UNIX system.
As a software developer, it would be neat to see if there is an API that allows us to improve the interface? Like a Acura/Honday NAV API.
My navigation system sometimes goes off for days and will not work. Then all of a sudden it comes back on. This has just been happening recently but I have always had were the nav system will not turn on immediately when it is very cold or a lot of humidity in the air. I assume this is some sort of protection system to protect the system from condensation. Is that true? Taking into the dealer tomorrow.
The only problem that I've noticed with the navicagtor on my Ody is that in extremely cold weather the screen is dim for the first few minutes until the cabin warms up a bit. I attribute this to the liquid crystal screen being sluggish in the cold. Other than that I've had no real problems.
I am in the market to buy an Ody. I am not sure how useful the navigation system is. Is it worth the $2000 and the extra truble of maintenance? How is the system updated? Do we need to buy a new DVD disc every year to get updated road information?
Had my nav to the Dealer. It turns out the problem with my nav system was a bad monitor. They overnight expressed it in and replaced same. Hopefully that will take care of my problem.
I am the recent owner of a 2000 Odyssey w/NAV. I have used the DELorme system(s) extensively and find some thing about the Honda system troublesome. Help seems to be only available through Honda Customer Relations, neither Alpine, nor the DVD manufacturer offer to entertain questions.
For instance, one plans a trip from southeast VA to Danbury, CT. First off using the "Easy Route" it repeatedly routes you right over the GW Bridge - NOT "easy". Then when you "avoid" all the routes leading to the GW Bridge hoping it will default to the Garden State Pky, instead it comes up with a message that basically says very simply "you can't get there from here."
Now you get a routing programmed that satisfies you (I haven't yet) and you shut off the car, ready to go to bed and hit the road with your NAV first thing in the morning. In the AM you find you have to start all over with your road games, because the thing apparently doesn't remember a thing except your final destination.
Now there's no changing the design, simplistic at best, but where can a user get some tips, and work a rounds for these built in deficiencies?
Does anyone regret getting the NAV option. I am considering the NAV option because I'm a gadget kind of guy, but $2,000 could go towards nice entertainment setup in the van also. Interested in hearing your opinions.
I have no regrets. We've had our EX-NAV since September 1999 and have found it very useful. My wife, who thought she was humoring me when we got it, actually finds it even more useful than I do. (She often goes to places she's never been for work.)
The map/database are not perfect, but the continous updating of route makes up for it. If i don't like the route chosen, I follow my own variation and eventually the navigator accepts it and continues to give directions.
It probably is NOT worth it if you do not live in one of the detailed areas (although it is possible that they will add new areas in future updates.)
Thanks for the response Jim, we placed our order on 1 Apr '00 and are really looking forward to getting the van and playing with the navigation unit. I too believe that with continuous updates that the unit will be indispensable.
My Odyssey did not come with any nav manuals. This is another ding on the dealer. Can anyone tell me what the manual looks like, is it a attachment/supplement or is it a complete Odyssey manual. I have the regular thick manual but there is no mention of the navigation unit at all. While the GUI is intuitive enough, I would still like to have the manual for other hidden features if any.
There is a separate Nav manual. It looks just like the Ody manual but is about one-fourth the thickness. You'll never figure out all the nuances of the Nav system without it. Insist on one.
Thanks capecodder. They've ordered the manual but it will be a whole month before I get it. In the meantime, can anyone tell me how: - to shut the screen off after starting to use it - switch between full-screen clock and the map mode
Try touching the full-screen clock or pressing the "MENU" button to go from the full-screen clock to the map mode. When the screen is dark with the small clock at the bottom, touching the small clock will expand it to the full-screen clock.
When you start the Ody you'll get the disclaimer screen, and if you never touch it eventually you'll get a screen that says "SHUT DOWN." Touch that and the screen will go off and give you the clock. If you start to use the Nav and then decide you don't want to, the only way I know to shut it off is to go to "SETUP" (a "touch" button on the screen just to the left of the small clock) by touching "SETUP" and then touching "OFF" on the "DISPLAY" horizontal menu line.
This SETUP area is also where you adjust volume, brightness, and whether you want the screen in "DAY" mode (brighter), "NIGHT" mode (dimmer) or "AUTO" mode (brightness determined by where you have your headlight switch (i.e., bright with headlights off and dim with headlights on)).
Has anyone found an easy (easiest) way to remove that center table so that a 9" console can be added between the seats? I can see 2 apparent bolt covers that should do it, but it won't be an easy approach. Is there any other way?
I am looking to buy the Odyssey and trying to decide whether to get the Navi or not. Is it worth the $2K or is it just novel enough to have? My 'ordered' EX came through but with no navi and I am wondering if I should just take it or wait for the Navi?
We just got our Ody and went back and forth on the same question--to get the nav or not. Finally we went with the nav because of availability. I am happy with the decision. The GPS is very helpful. (I predict that it will be standard on most autos in 5 years.) We both find that we are using it more and more.
There is an issue about safety though. There is no doubt that trying to program it while driving is a major distraction and should be avoided. However, the user interface is good about setting up the trip ahead of time. Once activated it talks you through each turn on the route.
So, if you have the money and live in an area where the map coverage is complete I would recommend it.
Thanks for the reply. I looked at on yesterday and although it was sold and couldn't drive it I played with the Navi. It is certainly slick. I also like the fact it has phone numbers for places, saves on the cell phone calls to information (always trying to cost justify). I know it is not inexpensive but amortize over 6-7 years it starts to seem reasonable. I assume anyone buying a Navi would buy the extended warranty.
Agree with you on the idea it can be a hazard to program if you are driving. Yes have to be committed to have passenger play with or do before you put it in drive.
Last issue -- cassette deck, where would you put one with the navi? Has anyone done this? I got small kids and lots of tapes.
I think there is definitely a market out there for someone to rig their nav unit up so that it can take an output from a TV tuner, VCR and game console. In those moments where you're just sitting in the van waiting or on a picnic, you can watch the game or the news, a movie or play a shoot-them-up game. I won't even mention the ability to read your email... I just know I'll be first in line for the setup. Right now, my nav is fairly useless in everyday short-range driving.
If anyone lives in the Denver area and are looking to buy any sort of Honda, stay away from Planet Honda. My story: My wife and I test drove a CRV from Planet Honda. This was the first time we drove one. We made it very clear to the salesperson that we were not interested in buying that day, but were looking to do something in about 3 weeks. Everything went fine until we were almost back to the dealership. The salesperson asked us why we wouldn't buy that day. We said we were waiting for our tax refund so that we could put down a larger downpayment. He said we should lease instead of purchase. I informed him that we keep our vehicles more than a few years. This pressure from him kept up even after we returned to the dealership. He even asked us after we told him "no" several times if he should get the CRV all cleaned up for us to take delivery that day! We just walked away. That night we emailed the dealership our experience with this salesperson b/c we had talked to someone different several months before and had a totally opposite experience. The dealer's response was to have the internet salespeople contact us, who never addressed the problem we encountered, but were very eager to sell us a vehicle. We were contacted 3 different times by the internet salespeople.
There are several other dealers in the Denver area who do not use high pressure sales tactics. We purchased our CRV from Fisher Honda in Boulder. Ask for Suzi Smith or Craig Sweeney.
Just came back from Easter holiday in Los Angeles. The Nav system worked great! It brought us perfectly to every place we entered in the system. I still missed a few turns, but that was my fault because I was too far over in the wrong lanes. It was nice to see how quickly the system recalculated and got us going in the correction direction. When it tells you "exit freeway on the left in one-half miles" you cannot always change lanes that easily in Los Angeles. But then again, with all due respect to those reading this in LA, I am not interested in diving into another lane with less than 12 inches between my new Odyssey and the next car.
I really liked the fact that it lessened the routine stress of locating streets and freeways in unfamiliar areas. We really enjoyed our vacation. We even had fun driving in LA. I never thought I'd say that!
I was recently told that the new Mercedes-Benz have an autolocator theft device which is built-in to their navigator system. If a Benz is stolen this device can be activated and the car found as with the LoJack systems. I have an Odyssey with the navigator. Does anyone know if this feature is also avail.
PS: I am waiting for a hacker to give me something else to do with this screen. Thankx
Good news for those of us with the optional Navigation System. As of today (May 2, 2000) all non-military GPS navigational systems became up to 10 times more accurate because the government has ceased its SA (selective availability) feature of GPS which deliberately made the locations less accurate for non-military use. Here is a link to the official announcement: http://www.igeb.gov/sa/potus.txt
While I didn't find the NAV system very inaccurate before, it should be even more accurate now.
When I went out to check today, I had to adjust my location (using set up) to reflect the better accuracy, I suppose. I haven't driven enough to see if there is much of a difference, but I definitely regard this as good news.
in japan you can get an optional backup system, comprised of a camera and a hookup to the nav display... you get a birds_eye view of the back while backing up. To me this is a great use of the technology... wish it were offered here.
Hey Navi owners (or other intelligent sentient beings),
What do you LOSE by getting an EX with Navi? I know the dash is designed different to fit everything, and you can't put the optional cassette in (fine, don't need it.) I'm wondering are there any other features you lose by going with a NAVI?
In many states, it is illegal to have any TV device in a car if it can be seen from the front seats. I predict that PCs will soon be outlawed in the front also. Now if they would just include cell phones...
I have my heart set on an EX NAVI (on order) and NEED a cassette player too.
We listen to a lot of cassette recordings. We have a two year old and SO MANY cassettes for her and books on tape for me.
Has ANYONE found a way to get a cassette player into the NAVI. Is there a CD/Cassette/Radio replacement for the CD player? Love to hear from someone who has done it. I am conserned about opening the dash and messing with the NAVI.
This seems like a major flaw in design for the audio system.
We love our new Navi Odyssey and don't miss the cassette. We all use cassette-Walkman's and with a family of 5, I enjoy the peace and quiet when they all are wired-up. There are some good portable speakers that you can use when you want to sing along with the little ones, but it would work good for the longer road trips. We travel about 25,000 miles a year, and I love to listen to the a good book on tape, and start out early in the morning when the traffic is light. Everyone else sleeps and I can go about 300 miles before we stop and get breakfast. But the Nav System is such a blessing when traveling in unfamiliar territory.
My only question is when do the put out an updated DVD disk with the latest updates for new roads. We live in a fast growing community and the current disk looks to be about 2 years old. I was told by the dealer that it should be out this spring and now they say in the fall. Does anyone else have any idea? Thanks!!!
Just heard about this topic after posting this inquiry on the normal Odyssey thread. Here's what's been discussed so far:
"#182 of 189: Audio Unit Question (dignan17) Fri 19 May '00 (08:32 PM)
Hi. Tomorrow (Saturday the 20th), I will go to a Maryland dealer to put the down payment on my very own Honda Odyssey EX w/ Navigation System I'm getting it at MSRP, but hey, for a June 25th delivery date, I don't mind.
I have a question though about the audio system. Here's what I want to do.
I want the empeg car MP3 player. For those of you who don't know, this is a DIN head unit designed and manufactured in England. You can find more info about it here: www.empeg.com (this is an old site. they are coming out with a new player and the new site with most of that info is scheduled for June). I'm not getting the CD changer in this automobile, so I won't have too much that I don't use.
My question is: Will I be able to uninstall the Honda radio and install this one without much difficulty? I've been told that Honda radios are somewhat integrated into the vehicle, and diffucult to uninstall. I'm also worried about the navigation system. Does anyone know if it has controls for the stereo? I seem to remember other navi systems I've seen that did control the stereo.
So basically my question is whether or not it is difficult to take out the Honda head unit (and how much, if any, it is used with the navi). The installation for the empeg is the same as any regular 2" DIN head unit, so that's not a problem if the audio system on the Odyssey is normal.
Also, what does everyone think of the stereo system in their Odyssey? I'm mainly interested in how well the speakers perform, but if this plan doesn't work, I'll be interested in the quality of the head unit it'self.
Thanks for your help!
(ps-for those who have the navigation system, is it really as cool as I think it is?)
#183 of 189: Nav system response to dignan17... (capecodder) Sat 20 May '00 (05:12 AM)
If you live in an area for which the Nav system provides detail, it is nothing short of a wonder. We just moved to Cape Cod and it is a treat to find things so simply. For example, if you realize you need to get something from a hardware store (which seemingly happens every day when you've just bought a house) you just ask it where the nearest hardware store is to the location you happen to be. Same if you're hungry and are looking for a restaurant. Or your Ody is thirsty and needs a gas station. Works great and has a very good user interface.
Now for the bad news. My sense is that there's a pretty good degree of integration between the Nav and the radio (which is adequate but nothing more, by the way), in that the Nav "talks" to you via the radio, even to the point of shutting down the front speakers when the sweet little voice is about to tell you to make a "slight right turn in 500 feet." I'd check very carefully before replacing the head unit with an after-market unit.
#184 of 189: Audio Unit Question (dignan17) (arbarnhart) Sat 20 May '00 (01:21 PM)
I have the LX, so you are getting "heresay" info, but...
The EX has steering wheel mounted audio controls and apparently very few systems other than Honda factory systems work with them.
Do you know how cheap CD recorders are now? You might want to look into that. There are conversion programs out there that will put your downloaded music onto CDs, and recordable CDs are very cheap in quantity. I would give this some serious thought before I tore into the dash of a new van to take out a component that is pretty tightly integrated into the NAV and the steering wheel controls.
#185 of 189: About Stereo Placement... (dignan17) Sat 20 May '00 (09:29 PM)
Thank you for your responses capecodder and arbarnart. Those are things to think about.
capecodder. Do you have the CD changer? Even if not do you know where it goes? Is it a standard 2" DIN? (the size of the stereo) Can you control the basic functions of the stereo via the navigation system (radio controls, tape controls (is there a tape deck in it?))?
My idea is that I could put the stereo where the CD changer goes and put the empeg into the slot for the stereo. The empeg it'self has the means to support a secind head unit so the actual installation in those terms wouldn't be too difficult.
The issues therefore, are: 1-level of control via the navigation system 2-whether the internal wiring can accomodate the downward displacement of the factory installed head unit 3-whether the location available for a CD changer installation can accomodate a normal head unit.
Also, does anyone know if there is an amp that comes with this van?
Thanks for all your help. "
I've gotten many of my questions answered here. I've heard something about putting the CD player where the changer would go, and putting the tape deck in the DIN. I would probably do the same ecept instead of a cassete, use an empeg.
I also saw the mention of conection issues with an amp. That probably wouldn't be a problem with a professional installer though.
Anyone know where would you put a sub woofer in this vehicle?
Just spent a weekend using the Hertz Neverlost system in pittsburgh. Has any one used this system and the Honda system. I know the Honda system is probably better but in what respects . Is the Honda system more accurate? Using the Neverlost system there where times when I was unclear on the highway as to which way to veer. Any and all comments will be appreciated.
Are there any updates available for the Navigation system? I like the system, but sometimes it tries to guide me on streets or highways that are clearly out of the way. I would sure like to find an update, which would make the navigation system more accurate. Did the recent government release of more accurate navigation information have any impact on the Honda system? If so, what do we have to do to activate this update?
Plan my own route? Is it possible to tell the thing the way I want to go? I know that undermines the essential purpose of a navigational system, but sometimes I might know the best way to get there or I might purposely want to take a non-direct route to, say, visit a restaraunt that I really like or some other site.
Also, is it possible to tell the system where certain roads and locations are that it doesn't already know? I recently purchased a house in Williamsburg, VA and while I know that the area is one of the extensive coverage ones, my whole neighborhood is relatively new, and might not be on the maps. I'm pretty sure the answer will be no, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Yes, there will be system updates available in the fall of each year which will be in the form of new dvds. This info can be found in the back of the nav manual, but it is to this point purely speculation as to how much, if anything this will cost us. When the system guides you the "wrong" way, continue going the way you'd like and the nav should automatically recalculate your route. As for the government's release of more accurate gps info - this only seems to improved the nav's ability to recognize things such as which side of the street you may be on, etc. In other words, you'll only notice very slight differences as this only enabled the nav to more accurately pinpoint your position with a lesser margin of error. You need do nothing to activate this update as it only involves the signal from the gps satellite, not the Alpine dvd system.
dignan17 - yes you can plan your own route to an extent. You will be given several options when programming a destination including *direct route*, *detour*, *easy route*, *avoid a street*, *minimize freeways*, and *minimize toll roads*. There are also several different ways to choose a destination - by address, intersection, places, phone number (only of locations already stored in the *places* cat.), map input, & today's and previous destinations. FWIW, *map input* is somewhat misleading IMO. It DOES NOT allow you to enter in new (not shown) roads nor does it allow you to enter in exactly what roads, etc. you'd like to take to your destination. It simply allows you to select your destination by moving the "crosshairs" to the area to which you'd like to travel and then the system will proceed to plan a route.
As for your new home - congratulations! But it probably will not be shown on the map yet. Maybe on this year's update?... Anyway, my neighborhood is relatively new too, and it shows we live in what appears to be a giant field. There is no way to add a street to the system. Sorry.
Can anyone recommend an aftermarket navigational system. Unfortunately, we did not choose the NAVI System, because we decided on the Dark Emerald Blue rather a NAVI System. I wish they were still making the Blue then this would not be a dilemma. I've asked about the possibility of reconfiguring the dash to incorporate the NAVI but everyone says it can't since it was manufactured at the factory. Does Alpine make the system in the Honda. Any advice would be appreciated.
You can check out Circuit City's car audio racks (they have 'em at mine, don't know about yours), for the in-dash pop-out nav system. You just press a button and the screen comes out by it'self.
It is horribly expensive. But I haven't looked at the prices for a while.
When I was there they also had a TV signal going through it. Don't know if it's an internal tuner or not but that wouldn't make sense, seeing how it's illegal most everywhere
Thanks for the help breezyg! That's all I need to know! That map input thing won't be that bad. I know just what the area looks like so it'll be okay.
One question. Is it wierd to be going south and watch the little thing on the car basically go the opposite direction as you? Or does the map turn around?
Dignan17: I recently had the Alpine Nav unit installed in my 99 Odyssey. It works great! Actually, I found a better price (by about $300.00) at a local Alpine retailer than the Circuit City price. I checked 3 retailers and received a price spread of $800.00, installed. While I was at it, I added a 6-deck CD changer and cassette player. You have the option of either displaying the map with North at the top (the usual way you view a paper map), or with you present heading up (top of the screen). I've found that the North up orientation is less confusing because the map orientation isn't changing with every turn. Probably just a matter of preference, which you can select.
Mcfall, your response is interesting. Is your Nav system the same as the one that comes w/ the Ody? Is it cheaper to get the Ody w/o the Nav and have the Nav put in from an Alpine shop. I am looking to buy an Ody Ex w/ the Nav system. I don't listen to too many CDs so I really want the cassette as well as the CD. Should I get the Ody EX without the Nav system and have it put in after market with a cassette? That maybe the cheaper way to go and I also get my cassette that way. Right now I believe you can't get the Nav System with a CD/cassette. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I wonder if there is an Alpine shop in VA?
Just got notice from dealer that we can pick up an EX if we want it today. I really want a NAV! Mcfall: What was the actual price you paid for the after market Navi?
Do you have a website to view the product details?
Now my wife wants the Nav system too! As some of you know, I was waiting for my budget to allow a safe purchase of an EX, but with another $2,000 to pay, how long now? Still, she would benefit a lot since Dallas/Fort Worth is a detailed area. Of course, it won't help with the many, many new developments....
bspiritb: The system uses the same data base as the OEM supplied unit. However, the execution and operation are different: Some better than OEM, and some less convenient than OEM. The feature that I like best is that the screen retracts into the dash when not being used. You can set it for automatic open/close whenever the key is turned on or off, or manual open/close with the press of a button. I like the screen retracted because it does not offer a tempting target if someone is looking for something to steal. They would really need to know what they were doing to successfully remove the unit with all of its connections to various vehicle circuits (parking brake, headlights, speed sensor, ignition circuit, etc.) and GPS antenna which is a flat strip about 1" square which is adhesively (I think) attached to the dash at the base of the windshield. But, why tempt them by visibly displaying the screen all the time? The screen and basic (not all Nav controls) control unit fit into the dash in the space now occupied by the CD/radio unit. The main disadvantage is that all auxilary control (Radio, CD, Cassette) are accessible only through the pop-up screen. For example, if I want to listen to 1160 on the am dial, I can't just push a button to turn the radio on and then another button for a preset station. Instead, I push the "source" button on the screen unit, select "radio", go to page 2/2 of the on-screen menu, and then select my preset station, "tune" for search of all stations, or manually tune the broadcast frequency. By the way, the frequency and station call letters (if preset) are displayed on the screen. If you want to access the Nav unit, you go back to your source button, or push a "Nav" button which toggles between the Navigation screen and the screen from which the current sound source is originating. The cassette player, which I also added, is in the previously open pocket below the original CD/radio unit. The added cassette is controlled through the screen unit, except or on/off, eject, and ffwd and revers, which are controlled by button on the cassette unit. The operation probably sounds complicated, but it becomes easier with some practice. The operation is intuitive. The operation of the Navigation System (setting Destinations, accessing Address Book, points of interest list, Setup, Route, etc.) is primarily carried out through the use of a small hand-held remote control. Many functions in the NAV system are not accessible while the car is moving, as a safety precaution. Is the system cheaper than the OEM unit? NO. My Ody is a '99 EX so I had no choice between OEM and add-on. The best price I found locally for the basic Navigation unit (DVD Map Source for entire US, Toronto & Vancouver) installed, was just under $3,000.00. There is a less expensive CD ROM map system (also Alpine) that uses separate CDs or different sections of the country, I think maybe 8 or 9 CDs are required for the whole country. As I recall, only one CD (for your local section of the country, is included, and you have to buy additional CDs if traveling out of the your section. To also answer post #199's question, the total cost of my system, installed, was $3,800 which included, the NAV System, multi-media control unit, 6 deck CD changer, and cassette player, installed (tax included). I realize the post is long, but I'm trying to answer your questions without prompting a lot of follow up questions, although you may have some. I've really enjoyed playing with the unit, and I must admit that it more of a toy than and essential necessity. After all, I've gotten along with paper maps for a long time, but seeing that screen extend from and retract into the dash is neat, plus the woman's voice giving me oral directions (e.g., exit right at exit 533, then left turn in 900 feet) amazes me. I don't have the Alpine internet address, but you can easily find if by going to any search engine and typing in "Alpine and Navigation". They have good, although I though somewhat limited, information. The have an 800 number you can call to get local retailers-installers in your area.
I am a 2000 Acura TL/NAV owner who is extremely disappointed with the lack of detailed coverage of of the system and have been browsing this forum to see whether the situation is the same for the Odyssey. Unfortunately it appears to be the same system and the coverage is identical to that listed in post #98 on this forum. Only a little more than an average of 2 cities or metro areas per state with 10 states having no detailed coverage at all.
I have written about this to Koichi Amemiya, President of American Honda and received a reply from one of his managers. They would provide no information on what new areas will be covered in the next update, due in the fall. Updates will come from from Alpine - Not Acura/Honda. They will not be free, but will cost $152. Now get this. He told me that the database used by Acura will be about a year behind that for the Alpine DVD system because Acura requires that other manufacturers dealership locations be removed from the database. (Duh, if I want to know where to buy a BMW, I'll try the telephone book.) He further said that the DVD system in the Acura is hard coded to not accept the Alpine system DVD's so we won't be able to use the DVD's for Alpine's aftermarket system.
If this bothers you as much as it does me, write to Koichi at the address listed in the back of your DVD system manual.
Sounds like you've gotten screwed over. I'm fortunate enough to live in the Washington D.C. area, go to William & Mary in Williamsburg, where I take little trips to VA beach every once and a while. Lucky me that those are all well detailed ares.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Honda doesn't do the map updates themselves. it's another outside company the provides its software and data to various GPS technologies.
Condition: It happened twice - Delivered 4/25/00 - Now 700 miles. Temp in the 60's -80's. Humidity in the damp side. Details: When I started up my Ody, the navigator system lost all my keyed in locations and I needed to key in the delivered pin number before I could do anything. Had to start over as if the vehicle was just delivered from the dealer. The upside to this was at least I got rid of the dealer's address. Has anyone experienced this yet! Thanks in Advance.
not exactly... I started the car one day to find all of our previous addresses deleted.... turned to my wife and asked... what did you do? She admitted that she had accidentally deleted everthing! We have had ours freeze once, where it did not know where it was... turning the car off and back on fixed it.
By the way, just had a vacation in San Antonio, TX. it knew where all the landmarks were and helped up find a hotel at 10:30 pm , while sitting in Seaworlds parking lot... found all the hotels close to seaworld and provided the number to call them! This was my 1st real use of the POI database and I have to say , I was impressed. The Nav and a no long distance digital phone are my vacation buddies!
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If I just get the EX, what would it take for me to later add a NAV, say next year when all glitches are gone and new features are added?
thanks for your speculations!
Jim.
One annoying thing about the setup is that the remote control for the remote starter is not integrated with the Honda keyfob remote -- I now have two keyfob controls to carry... very bulky.
All good things about the Ody aside (reliability, roominess, etc.), the most fun I've had with it was using the Nav system. A great feature was searching for restaurants within close proximity of your current position.
A couple things to nitpick about:
The shifter should've been shortened and placed where the wiper controls are now. The signal stalk should be a bit lower, making room for the wiper control stalk which should've been located on the left side with it. Right now the shifter is in the way of the Nav screen and radio controls, putting it in danger of being jostled accidentally.
I already banged my knee twice while trying to get into the driver's seat. The dashboard has a protruding corner on the driver's side that should've been flatten. For that matter, the passenger's side has one too.
BTW, is the $835 price for the 7/100000/$0 extended warranty still the going rate these day?
extended warranty still the going rate these day?
I have heard of it still being possible... but most reports say the cost went upto $750 and therefore most of the $835 dealers have gone to $850.
As a software developer, it would be neat to see if there is an API that allows us to improve the interface? Like a Acura/Honday NAV API.
For instance, one plans a trip from southeast VA to Danbury, CT. First off using the "Easy Route" it repeatedly routes you right over the GW Bridge - NOT "easy". Then when you "avoid" all the routes leading to the GW Bridge hoping it will default to the Garden State Pky, instead it comes up with a message that basically says very simply "you can't get there from here."
Now you get a routing programmed that satisfies you (I haven't yet) and you shut off the car, ready to go to bed and hit the road with your NAV first thing in the morning. In the AM you find you have to start all over with your road games, because the thing apparently doesn't remember a thing except your final destination.
Now there's no changing the design, simplistic at best, but where can a user get some tips, and work a rounds for these built in deficiencies?
The map/database are not perfect, but the continous updating of route makes up for it. If i don't like the route chosen, I follow my own variation and eventually the navigator accepts it and continues to give directions.
It probably is NOT worth it if you do not live in one of the detailed areas (although it is possible that they will add new areas in future updates.)
Jim Block
This is another ding on the dealer. Can anyone
tell me what the manual looks like, is it a
attachment/supplement or is it a complete Odyssey
manual. I have the regular thick manual but there
is no mention of the navigation unit at all. While the GUI is intuitive enough, I would still like to have the manual for other hidden features if any.
Thanks. ...r
In the meantime, can anyone tell me how:
- to shut the screen off after starting to use
it
- switch between full-screen clock and the map
mode
TIA. ...R
When you start the Ody you'll get the disclaimer screen, and if you never touch it eventually you'll get a screen that says "SHUT DOWN." Touch that and the screen will go off and give you the clock. If you start to use the Nav and then decide you don't want to, the only way I know to shut it off is to go to "SETUP" (a "touch" button on the screen just to the left of the small clock) by touching "SETUP" and then touching "OFF" on the "DISPLAY" horizontal menu line.
This SETUP area is also where you adjust volume, brightness, and whether you want the screen in "DAY" mode (brighter), "NIGHT" mode (dimmer) or "AUTO" mode (brightness determined by where you have your headlight switch (i.e., bright with headlights off and dim with headlights on)).
Hope this helps. Ask again if it's confusing.
There is an issue about safety though. There is no doubt that trying to program it while driving is a major distraction and should be avoided. However, the user interface is good about setting up the trip ahead of time. Once activated it talks you through each turn on the route.
So, if you have the money and live in an area where the map coverage is complete I would recommend it.
Agree with you on the idea it can be a hazard to program if you are driving. Yes have to be committed to have passenger play with or do before you put it in drive.
Last issue -- cassette deck, where would you put one with the navi? Has anyone done this? I got small kids and lots of tapes.
thanks
for someone to rig their nav unit up so that it
can take an output from a TV tuner, VCR and
game console. In those moments where you're just
sitting in the van waiting or on a picnic, you can watch the game or the news, a movie or play a shoot-them-up game. I won't even mention the ability to read your email... I just know I'll be first in line for the setup. Right now, my nav is fairly useless in everyday short-range driving.
Hackers anyone ??
There are several other dealers in the Denver area who do not use high pressure sales tactics. We purchased our CRV from Fisher Honda in Boulder. Ask for Suzi Smith or Craig Sweeney.
I really liked the fact that it lessened the routine stress of locating streets and freeways in unfamiliar areas. We really enjoyed our vacation. We even had fun driving in LA. I never thought I'd say that!
have an autolocator theft device which is built-in to their navigator system. If a Benz is stolen this device can be activated and the car found as with the LoJack systems. I have an Odyssey with the navigator. Does anyone know if this feature is also avail.
PS: I am waiting for a hacker to give me something else to do with this screen. Thankx
http://www.igeb.gov/sa/potus.txt
While I didn't find the NAV system very inaccurate before, it should be even more accurate now.
When I went out to check today, I had to adjust my location (using set up) to reflect the better accuracy, I suppose. I haven't driven enough to see if there is much of a difference, but I definitely regard this as good news.
What do you LOSE by getting an EX with Navi? I know the dash is designed different to fit everything, and you can't put the optional cassette in (fine, don't need it.) I'm wondering are there any other features you lose by going with a NAVI?
Thanks!
We listen to a lot of cassette recordings. We have a two year old and SO MANY cassettes for her and books on tape for me.
Has ANYONE found a way to get a cassette player into the NAVI. Is there a CD/Cassette/Radio replacement for the CD player? Love to hear from someone who has done it. I am conserned about opening the dash and messing with the NAVI.
This seems like a major flaw in design for the audio system.
Thanks for your help!
My only question is when do the put out an updated DVD disk with the latest updates for new roads. We live in a fast growing community and the current disk looks to be about 2 years old. I was told by the dealer that it should be out this spring and now they say in the fall. Does anyone else have any idea? Thanks!!!
"#182 of 189: Audio Unit Question (dignan17) Fri 19 May '00 (08:32 PM)
Hi. Tomorrow (Saturday the 20th), I will go to a
Maryland dealer to put the down payment on my very
own Honda Odyssey EX w/ Navigation System
I'm getting it at MSRP, but hey, for a June 25th
delivery date, I don't mind.
I have a question though about the audio system.
Here's what I want to do.
I want the empeg car MP3 player. For those of you
who don't know, this is a DIN head unit designed
and manufactured in England. You can find more
info about it here: www.empeg.com (this is an old
site. they are coming out with a new player and
the new site with most of that info is scheduled
for June). I'm not getting the CD changer in this
automobile, so I won't have too much that I don't
use.
My question is: Will I be able to uninstall the
Honda radio and install this one without much
difficulty? I've been told that Honda radios are
somewhat integrated into the vehicle, and diffucult
to uninstall. I'm also worried about the
navigation system. Does anyone know if it has
controls for the stereo? I seem to remember other
navi systems I've seen that did control the stereo.
So basically my question is whether or not it is
difficult to take out the Honda head unit (and how
much, if any, it is used with the navi). The
installation for the empeg is the same as any
regular 2" DIN head unit, so that's not a problem
if the audio system on the Odyssey is normal.
Also, what does everyone think of the stereo
system in their Odyssey? I'm mainly interested in
how well the speakers perform, but if this plan
doesn't work, I'll be interested in the quality of
the head unit it'self.
Thanks for your help!
(ps-for those who have the navigation system, is
it really as cool as I think it is?)
#183 of 189: Nav system response to dignan17... (capecodder) Sat 20 May '00 (05:12 AM)
If you live in an area for which the Nav system
provides detail, it is nothing short of a wonder.
We just moved to Cape Cod and it is a treat to find
things so simply. For example, if you realize you
need to get something from a hardware store (which
seemingly happens every day when you've just
bought a house) you just ask it where the nearest
hardware store is to the location you happen to be.
Same if you're hungry and are looking for a
restaurant. Or your Ody is thirsty and needs a gas
station. Works great and has a very good user
interface.
Now for the bad news. My sense is that there's a
pretty good degree of integration between the Nav
and the radio (which is adequate but nothing more,
by the way), in that the Nav "talks" to you via the
radio, even to the point of shutting down the
front speakers when the sweet little voice is about
to tell you to make a "slight right turn in 500
feet." I'd check very carefully before replacing
the head unit with an after-market unit.
#184 of 189: Audio Unit Question (dignan17) (arbarnhart) Sat 20 May '00 (01:21 PM)
I have the LX, so you are getting "heresay" info,
but...
The EX has steering wheel mounted audio controls
and apparently very few systems other than Honda
factory systems work with them.
Do you know how cheap CD recorders are now? You
might want to look into that. There are conversion
programs out there that will put your downloaded
music onto CDs, and recordable CDs are very cheap
in quantity. I would give this some serious thought
before I tore into the dash of a new van to take
out a component that is pretty tightly integrated
into the NAV and the steering wheel controls.
#185 of 189: About Stereo Placement... (dignan17) Sat 20 May '00 (09:29 PM)
Thank you for your responses capecodder and
arbarnart. Those are things to think about.
capecodder. Do you have the CD changer? Even if
not do you know where it goes? Is it a standard 2"
DIN? (the size of the stereo) Can you control the
basic functions of the stereo via the navigation
system (radio controls, tape controls (is there a
tape deck in it?))?
My idea is that I could put the stereo where the
CD changer goes and put the empeg into the slot for
the stereo. The empeg it'self has the means to
support a secind head unit so the actual
installation in those terms wouldn't be too
difficult.
The issues therefore, are:
1-level of control via the navigation system
2-whether the internal wiring can accomodate the
downward displacement of the factory installed head
unit
3-whether the location available for a CD changer
installation can accomodate a normal head unit.
Also, does anyone know if there is an amp that
comes with this van?
Thanks for all your help.
"
I've gotten many of my questions answered here. I've heard something about putting the CD player where the changer would go, and putting the tape deck in the DIN. I would probably do the same ecept instead of a cassete, use an empeg.
I also saw the mention of conection issues with an amp. That probably wouldn't be a problem with a professional installer though.
Anyone know where would you put a sub woofer in this vehicle?
Also, is it possible to tell the system where certain roads and locations are that it doesn't already know? I recently purchased a house in Williamsburg, VA and while I know that the area is one of the extensive coverage ones, my whole neighborhood is relatively new, and might not be on the maps. I'm pretty sure the answer will be no, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
dignan17 - yes you can plan your own route to an extent. You will be given several options when programming a destination including *direct route*, *detour*, *easy route*, *avoid a street*, *minimize freeways*, and *minimize toll roads*. There are also several different ways to choose a destination - by address, intersection, places, phone number (only of locations already stored in the *places* cat.), map input, & today's and previous destinations. FWIW, *map input* is somewhat misleading IMO. It DOES NOT allow you to enter in new (not shown) roads nor does it allow you to enter in exactly what roads, etc. you'd like to take to your destination. It simply allows you to select your destination by moving the "crosshairs" to the area to which you'd like to travel and then the system will proceed to plan a route.
As for your new home - congratulations! But it probably will not be shown on the map yet. Maybe on this year's update?... Anyway, my neighborhood is relatively new too, and it shows we live in what appears to be a giant field. There is no way to add a street to the system. Sorry.
It is horribly expensive. But I haven't looked at the prices for a while.
When I was there they also had a TV signal going through it. Don't know if it's an internal tuner or not but that wouldn't make sense, seeing how it's illegal most everywhere
Thanks for the help breezyg! That's all I need to know! That map input thing won't be that bad. I know just what the area looks like so it'll be okay.
One question. Is it wierd to be going south and watch the little thing on the car basically go the opposite direction as you? Or does the map turn around?
Do you have a website to view the product details?
Thanks!
If you want to access the Nav unit, you go back to your source button, or push a "Nav" button which toggles between the Navigation screen and the screen from which the current sound source is originating. The cassette player, which I also added, is in the previously open pocket below the original CD/radio unit. The added cassette is controlled through the screen unit, except or on/off, eject, and ffwd and revers, which are controlled by button on the cassette unit.
The operation probably sounds complicated, but it becomes easier with some practice. The operation is intuitive.
The operation of the Navigation System (setting Destinations, accessing Address Book, points of interest list, Setup, Route, etc.) is primarily carried out through the use of a small hand-held remote control. Many functions in the NAV system are not accessible while the car is moving, as a safety precaution.
Is the system cheaper than the OEM unit? NO. My Ody is a '99 EX so I had no choice between OEM and add-on. The best price I found locally for the basic Navigation unit (DVD Map Source for entire US, Toronto & Vancouver) installed, was just under $3,000.00. There is a less expensive CD ROM map system (also Alpine) that uses separate CDs or different sections of the country, I think maybe 8 or 9 CDs are required for the whole country. As I recall, only one CD (for your local section of the country, is included, and you have to buy additional CDs if traveling out of the your section.
To also answer post #199's question, the total cost of my system, installed, was $3,800 which included, the NAV System, multi-media control unit, 6 deck CD changer, and cassette player, installed (tax included).
I realize the post is long, but I'm trying to answer your questions without prompting a lot of follow up questions, although you may have some. I've really enjoyed playing with the unit, and I must admit that it more of a toy than and essential necessity. After all, I've gotten along with paper maps for a long time, but seeing that screen extend from and retract into the dash is neat, plus the woman's voice giving me oral directions (e.g., exit right at exit 533, then left turn in 900 feet) amazes me.
I don't have the Alpine internet address, but you can easily find if by going to any search engine and typing in "Alpine and Navigation". They have good, although I though somewhat limited, information. The have an 800 number you can call to get local retailers-installers in your area.
I have written about this to Koichi Amemiya, President of American Honda and received a reply from one of his managers. They would provide no information on what new areas will be covered in the next update, due in the fall. Updates will come from from Alpine - Not Acura/Honda. They will not be free, but will cost $152. Now get this. He told me that the database used by Acura will be about a year behind that for the Alpine DVD system because Acura requires that other manufacturers dealership locations be removed from the database. (Duh, if I want to know where to buy a BMW, I'll try the telephone book.) He further said that the DVD system in the Acura is hard coded to not accept the Alpine system DVD's so we won't be able to use the DVD's for Alpine's aftermarket system.
If this bothers you as much as it does me, write to Koichi at the address listed in the back of your DVD system manual.
Joel
And correct me if I'm wrong, but Honda doesn't do the map updates themselves. it's another outside company the provides its software and data to various GPS technologies.
Details: When I started up my Ody, the navigator system lost all my keyed in locations and I needed to key in the delivered pin number before I could do anything. Had to start over as if the vehicle was just delivered from the dealer. The upside to this was at least I got rid of the dealer's address. Has anyone experienced this yet! Thanks in Advance.
By the way, just had a vacation in San Antonio, TX. it knew where all the landmarks were and helped up find a hotel at 10:30 pm , while sitting in Seaworlds parking lot... found all the hotels close to seaworld and provided the number to call them! This was my 1st real use of the POI database and I have to say , I was impressed. The Nav and a no long distance digital phone are my vacation buddies!