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Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis



  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,048
    As for the acceleration, at least, well the LS Premium, according to Edmund's at least, has 224 hp @4800 rpm and 272 ft-lb of torque @ 4000 rpm. Well, Crown Vics and Grand Marquises have had around that much torque for probably as long as they've been putting 302's in them. In 1990, for example, the old 302 put out 270 ft-lb of torque, but it did it at 2000 rpm.

    That LS Premium might have been stuck with fairly tall gearing, which would have kept it from taking off very fast off from a standstill. One one hand, you have peak torque coming on fairly high, which means the engine has to rev to get there, but then you have tall gearing keeping the engine revs down.

    I dunno about the steering though. Maybe they still take out the road feel on purpose, because they think that's what the typical big Ford/Merc buyer wants?
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    My passport has only 205 hp@5400 and 215lb-ft@3200 but it is quicker off the line and quicker at any speeds despite the heavy 4x4 body.

    I can also easily nudge the car a couple of inches left or right at high speed to avoid a pothole or other wandering sleepy drivers. I can't do it in the GM.

    Because of these, i have a second thought about the GM.
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    I guess it doesn't matter what the car is, even a Grand Marquis, there will always seem to be a "quicker off the line discussion", LOL.

    Drmp, have you checked out the Marauder ?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,048
    ...about what 0-60 is for the current Grand Marquis? Say, the base model with the 224 hp engine?

    The closest reference I can think of is the Michigan State Police test of a police-spec Crown Vic. I think it did 0-60 in about 9.3 seconds, which was in range with the police spec Impala and Intrepid. Keep in mind though, police cars tend to be built more for top speed, and the heavier-duty components add weight and offset power increases. They also test them with two officers on board.

    One thing though, a car like a Grand Marquis probably isn't going to feel all that quick off the line, especially with standard tall gearing. I've just noticed that big cars in general don't feel like they're going all that fast, until you look down at the speedo and say "DAY-UMM!!" With smaller cars with engines that rev more, they feel like they're going fast, even when they're not!

    About the only personal experience I have with GM acceleration is this...a buddy of mine has a '95 GS with the 195 hp V-8 and 2.73:1 gearing. I raced him one night in my '89 Gran Fury ex-police car, and he couldn't keep up. 20 less horsepower, 1 less tranny gear, but 2.94:1 rear gearing and about 400-500 lb less weight.

    I'm sure with an extra 30 hp on tap though, the newest ones should be noticeably quicker.
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    My Passport may have been geared for quick launch. Two independent sources (one of which is motortrend) clocked the passport at 8.3 sec 0-60 mph. I've also driven my SUV to 100 mph however, as expect it has a poor fuel economy due to the boxy shape of my SUV. The GM is quiter at speed and you can easily go over 80 mph without noticing.
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    Anyone have any info on installing mud guards on a 2003 GM ? Also, isn't there an CV or type site for info like that ?

  • I just finished reading all of the active posts, and learned a lot. Thanks to all who took the time to post.

    I am the original owner of a 97 GM and still love it after 5 1/2 years.

    Last April, the intake manifold failed. I became aware of the extended warranty for some but not all of the Fords that have the 4.6 and grouched to Ford, but to no avail. To the retired attorney who planned on pursuing Ford over this: how are you coming along? any luck? Thanks again to all.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    If their district service office is reasonably close, go in person with all of your paperwork. To make a deal, they need to document your individual case. IMO they should pay the entire bill and they have in the past to many people.
    Good Luck.
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    Last month I was deciding between a roomy SUV or a roomy GM for our family vehicle. Both met my needs and wants lists and I could have gone either way. Better gas MPG would have been nice, as the writing was on the wall for higher gas prices, but the size of the other beasts out on the road eliminated a gas efficient vehicle, too bad.
    The SUV advantages were - it rode high for a good view and everyone in the neighborhood owns at least 1 SUV and for those 5 days a year there is more snow than salt on the road, you get better traction.
    The GM advantages were - it has an easy to read electronic instramentaion panel, rides with less hwy bounce, and I wouldn't have to succumb to the neighborhood/national SUV craze.

    Now none of the above were strong enough to make a final vote.

    The final vote that carried the decision was SAFETY. Early in my Edmunds research, I eliminated the 3rd row seat if I DID get the SUV. There's nothing safe about that seat located inches in front of the back glass and rear bumper. The kids loved it, it was like a little hidden club back there for them. But I wasn't going to stress out at every stopped light when I had someone sitting back there.
    Of course, the other big SAFETY fear I had was ROLLOVER. Dr. Jeffrey Runge, the NHTSA administrator, said rollovers account for more than half of SUV fatalities.

    So why am I posting this ? Well I just got done reading some posts and SUV links to TIME, James R. Heale, USA Today, and so-on about how unsafe SUVs are and I would bet there will be more data to come that will back this up even more. And as I get commments about driving a grandpa mobile, I'll just smile and enjoy as the great marketing of SUVs takes a few shots.

    I still like the SUV I almost bought, but ... IMO, I am driving one of the safest vehicles on the road with as many creature features as I've seen on ANY vehicle !,9171,1101030224-42346- - - 4,00.html

    justreading "I don't like SUVs, why do you?" Feb 16, 2003 1:24pm
  • I have a CV with only 7000 miles on it and the rear end has a whining noise, most noticable when you let off the gas at 65mph, the whining gets loudest at about 62 down to about 52. Then it comes in again about 40 down to 30mph. The noise is only under deceleration, if you give gas it goes away. Service manager drove it and can't seem to hear the noise, but everyone else can, especially rear seat passenger. Anyone else run into this problem.
  • I presently own a 1999 Grand Marquis with 40,000 miles. The car runs terrific except for an occasional hiccup. When driving in stop and go traffic (aka Cross Bronx Expressway), the O/D OFF light on the dashboard flashes. It takes turning off the car and restarting it to reset it. Can anyone lend some advise here? It only happens when the car is warmed up and you encounter stop and go conditons.
  • wgrwgr Posts: 127
    Does anyone know when/if any siginificant redesign is planned for the Crown Vic/Marquis ?
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    It looked like it was the highest ranked (5 stars) full size vehicle on the market, according to the STAR ranking system at

    The side impact was only 4 STARS, but if eqquiped with side airbags, I don't see how there is a safer VEHICLE on the road right now ?

    And please, no need to include the 60 MPH crash into the back-end on the hwy issue. (If I was pulling over 3-5 drivers a day on the hwy, that would concern me, but most people don't)
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    Question - is it possible to add a factory keyless entry system to an Interceptor? Would it just be plugging in some controller/receiver? Second question is how much do you suppose all this would run me?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    You can usually find those keyless entry kits at Target or K-mart for something like $30. Installation will be DIY, and I'm not sure what that entails, although I almost did this to my '95 Thunderchicken once.

    As far as a redesign?
    Don't expect one anytime soon. The same basic platform goes back to '79, although with significant improvements over the years, especially the 2003's. Personal speculation, but I think the Mercury Montego and Ford 500 will end up replacing the Grand Marquis and Crown Victoria. I think the Grand Marquis and Crown Victoria nameplates have become too associated with "old people" cars to be viable in the marketplace, and the Taurus will probably never recover from the radioactive catfish design of '96, so Ford is hoping that one car, splitting the difference between the Taurus and the Crown Vic, will correct two of their marketing mistakes, make them more competitive in the family sedan market, and reduce the number of car models they have to make. Much as they hoped to replace both the Contour and Escort with the Focus on the small car end of the market. If Ford has ceased production on the Contour and Escort, I missed that notice, but replacing them with the Focus was the original plan. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford is doing the same thing with the 500.

    As an aside, such a tactic worked for Jaguar in the '60's, when they replaced a small, medium, and large sized sedan with a single midsize car, the XJ6. Now, ironically, they're going the opposite way, having come out with a midsize S-Type, a small X-Type, and moving the XJ up to the big end of the spectrum with the 2004's.
  • dinudinu Posts: 12
    Am presently shopping for a 2003 GM-LS and a 2003 CV-LX . Will buy one of the two and would like to hear from owners of either one of these cars. The wife and I have checked out the GM-LS but not the CV-LX as yet. ...we'll do that next weekend. We like the GM-LS "Ultimate Edition" model a lot , especially pocket-book wise as compared to the 2003 Lincoln Town Car Executive we've also driven....which is very nice. We haven't driven the GM-LSE as yet but I believe this is a longer
    version of the LS and may not fit our standard-sized garage. Have to check that and other differences to the LS model.

    Will appreciate any input on these two cars from you.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    How much for the LS Ultimate?
  • I have a '93 Grand Marquie that runs great, the only problem I have with it is that after it warms up the motor will start ticking if the car is under a heavy load. When the car is still cold you can put it under the same load and it runs fine. Has anyone had this problem, or can give me any advice. Thanks
  • zslickzslick Posts: 11

    Is this "ticking" accompanied by any sort of bucking sensation. My 94 GM started some mild bucking on hard acceleration when warm at around 60,000 miles. If I remember right, there was a ticking sound, too. Problem was found to be ignition wires. Replacing them solved the problem. At 110,000 miles, I had a similar problem, although it was more prevalent when cold. It was found to be the ignition wires again. Hope this helps.
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    I bought a GM-LS Ultimate 2 months ago after taking a similar route to yours. I was interested in the GM-LSE, but never found one. Also checked out the Lincoln Town Car Executive, but I was looking at used 2001 models with low miles for the same $$ as a New GM-Ultimate.
    For what ever reason, I never shopped the CV-LX, so I can't offer comparisons of the 2.

    I believe all 3 are reliable, safe, and a great value now as they are all being discounted because they're not cool and not AWD.
    But since I'm looking at the interior of the car 95% of the time, I was sold on the Ultimate as I like the interior a lot ! Especially the instramentation panel, steering wheel, and roomy leather seats.

    Let me know what you thought of the CV after you drive it. Also, what are the rebates on the 2 ?
  • R92688R92688 Posts: 7
    Your ticking under load is just pinging from pre-ignition of the fuel in the cylinders. I had the exact same problem in my 95 CV with the engine check lamp ultimately coming on after many months of pinging. Well, it turned out that a Mass Air Sensor located on the air filter housing needed changing. After changing it, the car runs quiet and smooth with all fuel types. I hope this helps.
  • ronslakieronslakie Posts: 58
    Creativecomput - As noted above the likely candidate is the Mass Airflow Sensor. I have read on other forums that there is a simple method to fix this without replacing the sensor. This sensor can be sprayed with electric contact cleaner and will work like new.

  • jcooney3jcooney3 Posts: 7
    Head rests on 2003 GM too tall block view when backing up. Anyone hear of this?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    18 Wheelers use a primitive form of sonar when they back up. They keep coming back til they hear something crunch ;-)
  • randal5randal5 Posts: 1
    I totalled my Seville and I am shopping to replace it with either a GM or a Continental. 98 model year is in my price range. What are some key advantages of the GM over the Continental? I'm leaning toward the Continental but I'd like a reason to spend less money.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    It will keep you out of the ditch. Rather than a discontinued Conti, check out the 2000 Lincoln LS.
  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    At 6'7", I find the headrests just right ! : )
  • dinudinu Posts: 12
    Sorry about not responding sooner. We haven't bought the GM LS Ultimate Edition yet as we're still looking at other brands & models. The sticker price on this particular model was about $27,000, which is not the invoice price. We liked its interior, general looks, and features but I gave it a limited test drive at that time. This Edmunds website has good advice on how to test drive a car and I'll follow what it says for my next time behind the wheel of the GM LS Ultimate Edition.

    BTW, for what-it's-worth for anyone interested, read the Feburary 2003 Consumers Report issue "Cruising For Comfort" on the Toyota Avalon, Buick Park Avenue, Lincoln Town Car, and Mercury Grand Marquis. The Grand Marquis was rated by CR at the BOTTIM of thisgroup and CR's comments on the GM has given us some second thoughts on buying this car after our initial impressions of the car.

    CR's comments and rating on the Lincoln Town Car has also influenced our thoughts on this car. The Executive model of the Town Car line was the one I drove, also in a limited course near the dealership.

    The wife doesn't want us to buy the Toyota Avalon, which was rated at the top by CR, and sitting behind the wheel during a short test drive, I found its comfort level not up to par with the TC Executive nor the Mercury GM Ultimate Edition. Comfort is a major feature that both of us want , as well as reliability and some other major features.

    Today we're looking-at / test-driving the Buick Park Avenue base model and Park Avenue Ultra. This would be something like a $10,000 step-up in price, but with mfg. incentives and the wife's Honeywell General Motors or Ford discount offered at her job, we might be able to live with the bottom line. The Park Avenue is longer than the GM LS Ultimate Edition, so we'll be measuring our standard-sized garage to see if it'll fit.

    Will get back to the Town Hall soon. Would like to hear from others about the Grand Marquis and other big-'an-comfy easy-riding new cars they've driven or bought .
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