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Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis

L8_ApexL8_Apex Posts: 187
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  • mikem23mikem23 Posts: 2
    As some of you may recall in Intrique II, I bought a new '99 GLS in Artic White. I have been considering buying a bra for it (if Olds makes one) What do you think? Does anyone have one, and if so how does it look. Also, what is the price for one. Also, am I the only one that doesn't like the very small "Oldsmobile" font on the trunk? The '2000 font is much larger and nicer. I am going to order it for mine.
  • mikem23mikem23 Posts: 2
    As some of you may recall in Intrique II, I bought a new '99 GLS in Artic White. I have been considering buying a bra for it (if Olds makes one) What do you think? Does anyone have one, and if so how does it look. Also, what is the price for one. Also, am I the only one that doesn't like the very small "Oldsmobile" font on the trunk? The '2000 font is much larger and nicer. I am going to order it for mine.
  • johnbonojohnbono Posts: 80
    I checked all the Grand Marquis' in the parking lot today...couldn't find a single oldsmobile badge anywhere.
  • tbear503tbear503 Posts: 70
    The first CV that I remember was a 1954 tudor (Ford's spelling) with a chrome band (hence the word "Crown") over the roof at the "B" pillar with the front half of the roof being a fixed-in-place sunroof!

    The Marquis name is from the mid-late 60's, with "Grand" moniker, as I remember, appearing about in the mid 70's or later in response to the "Grand" Bonneville from Pontiac.

    Dad owned both a 54 Ford Crestline & a 72 Marquis Brougham....Prior to the Marquis the top Merc was the Park Lane.
  • cmdrkencmdrken Posts: 1
    I am looking at purchasing a 1997 CV Interceptor. It has 103000 miles on it and has had all the work done to it. it is a Texas county car and seems like it is mint. I'm going to pay about 6000 for it. Does this sound reasonable? Also does anyone know the hp and torque numbers for the interceptor 4.6L? Anyone who has any info to post I would greatly appreciate it.
  • I might be wrong on this, but I think I remember hearing that both the CV and GM would receive makeovers beginning with the 2002 models (which would be available late in 2001). That's about the time that I'll be buying mine (CV), so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with. I'd be willing to bet that some of the regulars in this forum could shed some more light on this rumor.
  • jws5jws5 Posts: 1
  • cobra27cobra27 Posts: 1
    Have a 88 302 that began leaking oil from intake manifold area--found out a small filter under the PVC valve was plugged up.Changed it & all o-k..Anyone step into this one too ???
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I am going to purchase soon, either a Buick LeSabre or Grand Marquis. I guess everybody here would recommend the Grand Marquis. Please give me reasons why I should purchase the Grand Marquis?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    both cars are nice and well built.

    the interior quality in the Grand Marquis is a little better. And even if some say the 3800 is a good motor, I know from owning one in my Tbird that the 4.6 v8 Ford is bulletproof. Now I know why law enforcement professionals rave about the CV.

    Otherwise it just boils your preference of v6/fwd vs. v8/rwd.

    Either way, they are solid cars for decent price.
  • One other thing... If you life in an area with a temperate climate or in a snow area, ordering drivetrain traction control for the Grand Marquis is a must since it's RWD. Trust me... I've driven my '95 Fleetwood in weather my own father wouldn't even drive in, and the traction control works wonders by keeping the car stable during bad road conditions. (Unless, of course, I go in snow above my bumper... Then I'm as stuck as anybody else. Also, don't make the mistake of thinking the traction control is a license to do something stupid like drive faster than you normally would in poor driving conditions.)

    If you are planning on doing a little spirited driving in the Grand Marquis should you purchase one, you might also want to consider the ride and handling package. It won't turn it into a Ferrari, but it does firm the ride up a bit (especially around corners) without sacrificing smoothness.

    IMHO, even though the Grand Marquis is a better value, I like the styling of the '00 Crown Victoria better...
  • Don't worry about the old man complex. I'm 37 and will be buying a CV or MGM next year. There are some other people who post here who are the same age as both of us, too. The thing I like about the CV/MGM is the price, ride comfort, and safety rating. Buying a CV/MGM doesn't mean you're an old man. It just means you recognize value in a car when you see it. Enjoy your new Grand Marquis.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    it has the touring package, ABS, Air suspension, leather interior. Or buy the Buick and get a free lifetime subscription to AARP's MODERN MATURITY.
  • Don't worry about the "old man complex." I'm only 20, and I drive a behemoth geezermobile '95 Fleetwood. ;-)

    Seriously, though... You shouldn't worry about what others think. As Steve said, you're recognizing exceptional value when you see it. If you're like me, you're also looking for practicality... And the Grand Marquis certainly has it due to its ample interior room and cargo space.

    Oh, and pay no attention to kinley... He thinks that Lincoln Town Cars should perform like Ferraris... (No offense, kinley. *Smirks*)

    He does make a couple valid points, though. I'd insist upon ABS, traction control, and the ride and handling package for the benefit of the rear air suspension. Those improvements will make the GM all the more enjoyable.

    One last thing... The Buick rode harder because it's FWD, as opposed to the RWD drivetrain of the Mercury. Let's face it... RWD cars will always ride better than their FWD counterparts. :-)
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    How much will the touring package take away from the GM's soft ride. I do not want to add harshness to the ride.
  • It shouldn't detract too much from the Grand Marquis ride. In fact, the difference should be barely perceptible. The official Mercury website says the package contains the following:

    3.55:1 rear axle ratio (aids in transmission downshifting)

    Larger diameter rear stabilizer bar (aids in vehicle stability during agressive cornering or emergency maneuvers)

    Goodyear BSW “handling” tires (nothing really special, here, and good if you choose to do without whitewall tires)

    Uniquely tuned rear air suspension (must make the ride a little firmer, but still be able to soak up bumps with no fuss)

    16” lacy-spoke aluminum wheels

    Dual exhaust (ups engine output to 215 h.p. which wouldn't hurt)

    So in other words, this package will make the Grand Marquis more stable in quick maneuvers, but the ride should not be harsh. In fact, it should still be as soft as you experienced it when you test drove that other GM. If in doubt, just ask the Ford/Mercury/Lincoln dealer to test drive one with the ride and handling package, and see for yourself if you would rather do without it.

    At the very least, though, order it with the rear air suspension... It not only keeps the tail from dragging, but accounts for the smooth ride without the car pitching and rolling all over the place.

    I wish they married Ford's superb rear air suspension to my Cadillac. You'd then have the ultimate luxo barge. :-)
  • I'm a volunteer voc-ed teacher at an inner-city children's home. Because the home is in a very dangerous neighborhood, I'd like to get a car that looks a lot like a cop car. (Pics of our shop work are at:

    Any advice on purchasing such a CV would be most appreciated. Additional info:

    1. The state auction for cop-cars is nearby. They have '96 CV's with 95k miles. Those with 75k miles have a minimum bid of $8,200. Would it be better to get a non-police CV that looks like a police CV? I can spend $7k to $11k.

    2. How many miles can you get out of a CV, before it's more economical to replace it? Once over 100k miles, are the maintenance costs high?

    3. We need to haul kids between the home and our shop. How many kids fit in a CV?

    4. We need to haul plywood using a small trailer. Is the CV ok with trailers?

    Again, any advice most appreciated!

    [email protected]
  • gchernya1gchernya1 Posts: 43
    You sure will be better off with privetly owned car, just make sure, miles on odometer correct and car don't have any maigor hidden problems.
  • seanyseany Posts: 3
    I'm looking for a safe car. I checked out the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis and both get 5 stars frontal and 4 stars side impact.

    I want a car with side air bags. The government doesn't check for head injuries in their tests, so the 4 star side impact results apply only to pelvic and thoracic injuries. The test dummies head could fly off, and the Crown Vic would still get 4 stars for side impact.

    I thought I had the answer when I looked at the Lincoln Town Car. It is supposedly built on the same chassis as the Crown Vic. The government gives the Town Car 4 stars frontal and 4 stars side impact. How can that be?

    I would think the Town Car would get the same 5 star rating for the frontal test, and at least improve on the side impact test due to the side air bags.
  • btroybtroy Posts: 92
    Sean, I noticed that, too. These cars and the Towncar all share the same "platform", but I guess that doesn't mean the Towncar has the same frame or crush dynamics. It primarily means they have the same engine and transmission and probably a hundred other components. Or maybe it's just the difference in weight that changes the equation.

    If you want a car with side head air bags, excellent crash test results and for it also to be affordable-- good luck. I've looked, too and I can't come up with a good choice without jumping up another $10k+ in price over the CV. Personally, I'm hoping that the next Crown Vic redesign will bring all that together. Meanwhile, the only thing that even comes close is a Ford Taurus. Or you could wear a helmet :)

    On the other hand, for the price of a Towncar, maybe you are in price range of a Volvo. You might want to check out the S70 or S80.
  • seanyseany Posts: 3
    To btroy:

    I've looked at both the Saab 9-5 and the Volvo S-80. I think these are probably the safest sedans on the road. I would buy one today if I could get the seat belts to fit properly. The seat belts in both these cars fit way up around my neck, and I can't adjust them.

    I test drove the Lexus LS-400. The seat belts are adjustable and the car drives like a dream. The Lexus has a fairly good safety rating, but it's too expensive for me.

    I like the BMW 528i, but I feel cramped in it.

    I was hoping Ford would add more safety equipment to the Crown Vic. I would love it if they would add side air bags, and Volvo S-80 seats.
  • btroybtroy Posts: 92
    Sean, you hit the nail on the head. That would make a great package and put the CV in direct competition with several of the world's finest automobiles. I hope Ford is listening. I've been hoping that Ford would add to the CV all the safety features they put in the 2000 Taurus (side air bags with head protection, dual-stage air bags, belt pretensioners and force-limiters, etc), but I never thought of incorporating the Ford-owned Volvo WHIPS seat. That package would get a lot of attention and be almost unbeatable at any price.

    The only reason I can think of for not doing that is maybe Ford doesn't want to invest in boosting sales of the CV due to the CAFE restrictions. I think they would really rather sell the Focus, Taurus and Trukasaurus Gigantus.
  • weltronweltron Posts: 11
    Hi, I am new to this forum. I took the time to read all the entries (it took awhile, but was worth it) I recently purchased a 95 GM LS with 38,000 miles on it.The car is electric currant red metallic with what I would call dark maroon leather interior. I looked at many used Crown vics and many GM and this was the only one I seen with this combo and just fell in love with it. It also had everything digital (which is what I wanted) and the look of all the electronics against all that maroon and the faux wood trim was just it for me. I started reading the forums before and after I purchased the car. I did find this sight and a couple others after I bought the car. The concerns I have are what I have been reading here about early Ford 4.6 burning oil usually around 90,000 miles. I have not seen any one say if Ford corrected this problem, When they did, is mine one of the early ones, and what was the problem. I would have to sell mine at 85,000 miles if this is the case. Then I have read that the 4.6 is bulletproof alot. So I am getting confused as to what to believe or think. I also have read about the tranny shudder problem, so I had my fluid changed at Lincoln Mercury including the torque converter after I bought the car. I also read in another forum that you should keep the RPM's down because of the torque converter ballooning because it is to big and to thin. Sorry to ramble on, but I am a little concerned. Thanks. Kevin P.S. I forgot to say that after I bought the car I had the silent exhaust removed and had a catback system installed with some turbo mufflers to give it some sound. I did not want the sound of my old 400 small block Nova made, but some sound out of that V8. If you have not done this mod yet DO IT!! You will not be sorry, the sound this V8 makes is great. I am 37 and haul 3 kids and the wife around and can still be a kid when I want to be. (HA HA)
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I had a 95 GM and 131,000 miles on it without burning one drop of oil. The 4.6 is bulletproof. The tranny shudder was a minor problem, I just put up with it. I am taking delivery of a new (spruce green) GM this Saturday. The tranny shudder has been fixed on the 2000's and the engine is still bulletproof.
  • cebuanocebuano Posts: 24
    That's good news since I'll be taking delivery on my 2000 CV tomorrow. What did they do to correct the problem?
  • weltronweltron Posts: 11
    Hearing about your 95 GM makes me feel better. What oil did you use? When did the shudder show itself? I have not felt it as of yet.
  • btroybtroy Posts: 92
    Hi Weltron, thanks for your post and I hope you are enjoying your new cherry GM. As far as your advice to put on the loud mufflers, I think I'll pass. I honestly don't understand why modifying your car to make *more* noise could ever be a good thing. I know a lot of people do it, especially to Harleys, but take it from me: nobody is impressed by your noisy car (especially the neighbor who is trying to sleep when you come in late or leave early in the morning and can't resist gunning it a few times). Just thought you should know.
  • weltronweltron Posts: 11
    Btroy, I decided to put the duals on because the car had stock single exhaust. This let the car finally breath and exhale. The guy who did mine is a good friend with his own shop. Before I allowed him to start there was a definite understanding I wanted the lowest noise possible without being silent. When I picked up the car it had the perfect sound. On the highway or driving normal it is almost silent. Giving decent throttle produces a nice mellow tone. The last thing I would want to do is wake somebody up.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    Cebuano, I am not sure what Ford did to correct the shudder problem. I read several reviews recently of the GM and both reviews indicated that the shudder problem had been corrected. I also test drove several GM recently and did not notice the problem. I am taking delivery tomorrow of a 2000 GM and the dealer insured me that Ford has corrected the shudder problem.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    Weltron, I always used run of the mill 5w 30 oil in my 95 GM. I felt the shudder in my 95 GM when I was maintaining speeds of between 40 to 45 mph. I never experimented with different transmission fluids, maybe I should have.
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