Edmunds dealer partner, Bayway Leasing, is now offering transparent lease deals via these forums. Click here to see the latest vehicles!
Options
Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
This discussion has been closed.
Popular New Cars
Popular Used Sedans
Popular Used SUVs
Popular Used Pickup Trucks
Popular Used Hatchbacks
Popular Used Minivans
Popular Used Coupes
Popular Used Wagons
Comments
TIA
In terms of upgrading to the GTP, no thanks. While it's nice to have that power, I don't need it and to pay $5000 for something I don't need or want makes no sense. Breaking it down to $50/month doesn't make it any better either, you sound like a car salesman when you do that!
You are right. Everybody has their opinion, the GP has the looks and peformance, but in my opinion it is only a sports sedan in GTP form. My '97 and '02 GTP's when stock did NOT feel like sports sedans to me when driven hard, after going to P245 50 16 Michelin Pilots and some small suspension/brake/and MAJOR engine upgrades then it felt like more like a sport car to me.
And NO I am not a car salesman, back in 2002 the GTP was only $3k more then the GT and the $3k rebate negated that... so I bascially got my GTP for the same price of a GT back in '02. Plus the GTP holds its resale value a little higher. It also depends on how much $$ you are putting down on the car, I alwasy put enough down between cash and trade in to keep my payments below $350 per month
Fullsized doesn't mean everything, my 1995 Aurora didn't have the room you would expect of a fullsized car and only had a 3 star crash rating. My i30t has the same 102 cu ft of space of the 1995-1999 Fullsized Aurora did and nearly the same sized 16 cu ft trunk. The I30t had the same performance or faster with a V6 vs the Aurora V8 and got about 4 miles better to the gallon. The I30t engine was smoother at high rpms as well. I30t could turn circles around the aurora, which was boatish at times. Historically the I30t holds its resale value much better and is much more reliable, though time will tell.
Yes the i30t is a bit bland/boring/dull, my aurora was a looker, no doubt, only thing I miss about it. At least I don't have to pour 1 quart of oil every month into the I30t Like I did with the typical oil burning Northstar found in my '95 Aurora.
Yes I would NOT want a stripped G35 either, I alwasy get my cars fully loaded.
For the price of the Bonny SSEI one can buy a lexus or Infiniti or Acura and get the longer warranty and better build quality, my opinion/2 cents.
No you didn't, what kind of wierd math is that? You would have likely got about the same off a GT so you still paid about $3K more for a GTP.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
"so I bascially got my GTP for the same price of a GT"
<<No you didn't, what kind of wierd math is that? You would have likely got about the same off a GT so you still paid about $3K more for a GTP.>>
No, Let me explain it better I got almost $6k off MSRP on my fully loaded 2002 GTP coupe in Sept. 2002, $28k msrp, I paid a tad over $22k. Dealer gave me the $3k rebate and took off nearly another $3k to unload it, since it had sat for 3 months on their lot, and the 2003's were just coming out, the dealer had to unload it, plus knowone wanted a coupe, I pretty much stole it for that price. The dealers were NOT giving the extra $3k off on the remaining GT coupes because they were selling better then the GTP coupes, bigtime.... So YES, I paid the same or less for my GTP coupe then a GT coupe? now do you understand?
I paid LESS $$ for my new 2002 GTP coupe then my new 1997 GTP coupe. Was in the right place at the right time.
A GTP is very good car for $22k, after my mods it is still CHEAPER & beats the '04's in every peformance category, besides the 2004's are NOT worth $28 - $30k.. That is Infiniti aka luxury territory.
The 1995 Aurora I had was supposed to compete with the best from Stugart according the literature in summer of '94, YEAH RIGHT... didn't come close... I fell for that once, never again
By the way Gunit, the '04 GP is light years ahead of the '97 - '03 GP. No comparison!
oldsman : If I was shopping today I'd likely end up in a 03 GP as the deals are outstanding and I could live with the dash. In a few years I can see myself getting a CTS though.
I'm not picking on it, the Bonny is nice but too me it's nothing more then a overglorified GP, same drivetrain and not much larger and a bigger price tag. Pontiac's flagship car needs more then just the same drivetrain transplanted from the GP. I also think the GP looks better. The Bonny SSEI doesn't have that many more features then the GTP, I thought the Bose radio in the GTP sounded better then the monsoon in the SSEI.
I would buy a Lexus/Infiniti/Acura anyday over a SSEI, they are better built, more reliable, HIGHER resale value and have a longer warranty, 4yr 50k vs SSEI 3yr 36k.
IF GM comes out with the 4.4L DOHC 280hp V8 then the Bonny would be more worthy, but how much will GM charge for that V8? Right now the GTP is a better buy. $5 or $6k cheaper, nearly same room and same drivetrain and better looking. My opinion
The 1st yr of the Caddy CTS had manual tranny problems that were fixed for the 2nd yr, in addition to putting the temperature gage back in that they omitted in year one, who omits a temp gage today?
The Intrigue reliability wasn't that great, look at CR magazine. I think the '99 to '01 are on their used car list to avoid. Even the GP reliability was so-so.
I have had both American and Foreign cars, the Japanese cars seem to have less problems and be better built.
Even Lutz at GM admitted they had some way to go on reliability/build quality and that they should equal the Japanese in a few yrs.. isn't that comforting to know? At least they finally admitted to it.
"Bonneville GXP model will begin production 3rd quarter 2003.
On-line Order Guide information for Bonneville GXP available September 2003."
- Ray
Also curious about equipment - and price . . .
I would take a leftover 2003 anyday because of the $4k rebate. The 2004 is NOT worth $4k more.... I do not see $4k of improvements after test driving it. The tap shift is nothing more then a gimmick, doesn't make the car any faster or funner to drive. With the shift kit on my '02 I can instantly drop down and jump up gears too, and I paid less for the shift ki then the tap shift would cost.
For $30k+, my car better say Lexus/Infiniti/Acura, NOT pontiac on it.
Oldsman01, Never really cared for the Bonneville. I guess people buy it for the extra space though, it is a full size car. New engine will make it more attractive though. It should have had that when it came out.
If you are into superficial things like brand names then I guess that would make sense. I guess you won't be buying a GTO then.
I probably value these characteristics in this order:
- wet and dry traction, so that the car handles safely when it rains and the ABS doesn't need to kick in often when the sun shines.
- ride and noise comfort, so that the engine sound is not overcome by the tire noise.
- handling, so that the car doesn't wave around on grooved pavement.
TIA
Dindak, I highly doubt the avg GP buyer is buying the GT over the GTP to save the $3k or $4.5k Canadien difference for vacation. I found that hard to believe. The avg GP buyer is leasing or financing anyway, so they will only see the full $3 or $4.5 difference slowly/smally over the next 3-5yrs.
The GTP is costing me roughly $70 per month more including gas and insurance over a GT. That is $840 per year, big whoop. That is my decision and I can afford it no problem. I like the better handling/power for only $70 per month.
Remember the resale value will be slightly higher on a GTP then a GT, 5 yrs from now and the GTP will be more desirable as a tradein/private sale. There are pluses and minuses to everything.
Buy what you like and I will buy what I like
A reoccurring theme here is that someone finds it hard to believe this or that about the average person, and we keep trying to change his/her mind. Let's all get past this and try to discuss something useful.
I have an 04 GT2 on order. I really debated getting a leftover 03 with the huge rebate, but I decided not to. To listen to someone tell me over and over that they would never buy an 04 is counterproductive in my opinion. Everyone has expressed their opinion. Now let's move on.....please.
I just don't see enough improvements over the previous generation, and the 2004 is built on the same 1997 W body platformwith the same 1997 power ratings, and I would never buy one, too old, It's like buying a 1997 disguised with new sheetmetal and more insulation. The GP needs a full overhaul, my opinion, If I want to say that I would never buy a 2004 that is my opinon to stato so, I never said it was fact, besides for me since GP cancelled the coupe after 2002 they lost another customer.
GM forgets that 20-25% of its customers were COUPE BUYERS... many people at the Auto show in NYC came up to the GM person complaining about the lack of a coupe, they said they didn't know or sited lack of sales, I didn't realize that 25% of their sales was lack of sales? That is why the 2003 sold less. The 2004 is only at a 10% increase over 2003, which means it is still below 2002 GP sales. Back in 1997 the GP sales went up 50%, the 2004 will most likely never see that, the competition has caught up and surpassed it.
The average smart person can see through the 2004 GP as as only a reskinned 1997and not an ALL NEW car with the same power ratings from '97 , while the competions, Accord/Altima/Max have increased size and power and platforms.
Enjoy your 1997, oops I mean 2004 GP.
Funny thing is that I was in a my friends new Hyundai XG350 and you would never think it was a Hyundai, the interior was MUCH BETTER then then the 2004 GTP. The XG350 costs less. What is GM's problem with these garbage interiors?
IE lI ooked at a new SHO in 1997 when buying my GTP, the SHO was nearly $5k more and slower 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The V8 show made 4 less hp then my 3800 GTP, 235 vs 240 hp. It's much easier/cheaper to modify the GTP, plus no coupe SHO.
Would you pay $30k for a Taurus? I sue as heck wouldn't. Even paying $25k for a GTP hurt, but alot better then $30k for a Ford.
It is just like these people that pay $30k+ for a Mustang when they can get a G35 for the same price that is more reliable and will last longer. The G35 has cheaper insurance too.
Ditto with the Maraduer.. i remember the idiots lined up to buy the $35k Grand marquis that looks like a 1992 with black grille, foglights etc, Guess what? A stock GTP had the same or FASTER 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.. and was $10k cheaper....
The marauder was touted as a musclecar yet was spd governed to only 117mph, pretty pathetic. Many 4 cylinder cars can go past 117....
The Intrigue of 1998/1999 was NOT a sports sedan, the GTP was sporties of the W bodies.
Not everyone is flush with cash like you are so speak for yourself!! $50 a month may be nothing to you but it adds up over the year and for me with a family anyway, it's certainly a consideration.
"The interior in the 2004 GP is still almost as CRAPPY as the 1997-2003"
Every review I have read (even the ones that don't like the interior) has remarked on how much better the interior is. I would agree.
"The Intrigue of 1998/1999 was NOT a sports sedan"
Ya, if it doesn't have 260 hp it must be crap huh? LOL. It's certainly more of a sport sedan in my book that a GTP. PCS isn't even available on the GTP.
"Every review I have read (even the ones that don't like the interior) has remarked on how much better the interior is. "
Well then, you haven't read many reviews. A lot of them discuss how cheap and plasticky it is. And of course, none of them have reviewed a GP with uglycloth (TM Regd.) upholstery. The interior of the '04 GP is its single biggest liability.
While the gunit/dindak debating society is getting very old very quickly, on this point he's right. Even Hyundais have better interiors than GM these days.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
a) Hyundai's XG350 interior is indeed better than the GP and in fact is nicer than many other domestics. its not top notch, but for the money they get for them it makes you wonder why GM's interiors are so cheesy.
b) why would anyone pay 30k for a Taurus? Agreed, i managed to get my v8 SLO for 20k with 6k miles on it. My Brotherinlaw found his with a door dent and paid under 24grand new. Yes indeed it was slower in a sprint than the GTP. I will offer to you that the engine comes alive at about 3500 rpm and over 80mph gains another wind and you get a relentless power rush well past 100mph. The engine comes to life and starts breathing and feels like it wil just keep going. 95mph sustained is nothing in that car. Too bad it was hampered with low end torque deficiencies designed in because of the lackluster slow shifting and low torque capacity ford automatic. The engine had been designed to run with low stress at up to about 285hp. My BIL's is over 130k miles now, mine is getting in need of some all around maintenance but the motor is still strong. I know the GTP outsprints it by .6 seconds or so, but I love the effortless high rpm kick with the 32v powertrain and the complete smoothness and lusty engine noises the 3800 doesn't have. The GTP is definitely tuned for better low rpm and in town running and has always had superior GM automatic trannies to match it.
IMHO, the 03 GP is nicer looking by far than the 04.
;-)
No comparison IMO, the 04 is cleaner and more modern inside and out. That said, with a cash price of C$24K (U$17500) or less for an 03 GT, I'd be tempted if buying today.
I think the crowds that I'm frequently shooing away from my 04 GP are proof that you are in the minority.
- a drain plug that isn't seated/cross threaded
- oil filter not seated properly
- valve covers (gaskets shot or cover warped.)
- oil pan(gaskets shot or cover warped.)
The first two are usually simple fixes.
Since it's a 1993 (10 years old) it could be more serious - could be seals in the engine block...
As for taking it back - most preowned vehicles are sold "as is" so the sooner you take it back the easier it may be to negotiate a repair. Reputable dealers stand behind their used sales, but unless they provided some kind of warranty, it may be difficult to get them to fix it for free.
tek3. ummmmmm...i need a picture as proof.
By the way, the most recent Automtive News had a chart of car models with new names introduced in 2002, and whether sales were steady, increasing or decreasing. The Vue and Ion were both decreasing. The Mazda6 was increasing. The only other vehicles I remember as decreasing were the Element and the Hummer2. Many lines were holding steady.
The new Pontiac Grand Prix wasn't on the list for two reasons. First, it isn't a new name, second it wasn't out yet.
As far as the 2004 Grand Prix, Pontiac is under the impression that 80% of the parts are different from last year.
As for the Vibe, the chart had a very clear legend. It made clear the sales trend was whether, given recent months, the OUTLOOK for sales was increasing, decreasing, or steady. The Vibe was steady. The Matrix was increasing.