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Toyota Corolla



  • patpat Posts: 10,421

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the older carbureted cars have been chased off the roads in the last few years by the big bad smog check - carburetors just were not very good at regulating emissions, fuel injection is much better. Corollas and Tercels began to be fuel-injected right around 1990, with the hotted-up models (GTS) getting FI a couple of years earlier.

    If you look carefully, it is the higher end 80s cars that are still around, for all brands...this is because the more expensive cars got fuel injection first...the same is true for Toyota, which was fuel injecting the celica, cressida, and supra in 1983 and the van and all trucks in 1984 and 1985.

    Maintaining smog compliance on an older car is like night and day when comparing between carbureted and fuel injected cars.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    Fuel injection is much better for emissions and also for performence and fuel economy. I think all VW's had FI by 1979-80, and I am sure they all did by 1985 when the golf came out. For some reason Honda and Toyota were slow to follow.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I still want Toyota to introuce an XLE Corolla, and want larger engine and a real suspension option for at least the S models (and larger engine standard in my proposed XLE). With Mitsubishi introducing a 160hp Lancer next year, Nissan offering a 165 hp Sentra as well as a mainstream sporty model (SE-R, SPEC V), I see no reason why Toyota cant consider this. As for the XLE model, its time the Jettas has a rival.

    I'm also still wondering why Toyota failed to introduced side airbags with head protection with the redesign (though ALL of the Corollas crash test scores are very good).

    When I was in the market for a small car some months ago, I was duly impressed by the Corolla, but the S model I would have wanted felt a lot slower than it looked, had those silly side sill extensions, and was only available with every option except the ones I wanted- ABS and side airbags.

    IMO if Toyota wants to penetrate the youth market, they need to do it by creating enhanced images for products well respected in other arenas. Anyone remember the Corolla GT-S two doors from the late 80s? Or the FX16 hatchbacks?

    Personally, I'd like to see Toyota kill the overpriced ECHO, forget the inevitable failure that will be Scion, and refocus energy on the Corolla line.

  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    I have a 2001 Echo that barely cost 11000. 62k miles so far. No repairs of any type. Only gas, oil and filters. 42MPG average with an automatic and AC running very often. Best car I have ever had! As soon as the new hatchback comes out in June I'll get one as a third car(not vailable in the US). By the way, the Corolla is very nice but not so good on gas, less acceleration and about $ 3000 more. Not economical enough for me with my daily 90 mile commute.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    have sold a lot more Echoes if they had brought out a hatchback in the U.S. in the first place.

    You got a good deal at $11K CDN for an Echo with auto and A/C! That seems amazing!

    dudley - rabbits weren't fuel-injected right? And I know that GTIs were the only fuel-injected golfs when they were introduced in 1983.

    OTOH, by 1985, the only non-FI Toyotas were corolla and tercel, which were the two cheapest models, and were cheaper than VW golfs and jettas. The camry had just been introduced at that point, as a little car and hatchback, and it was fuel-injected.

    I do agree that Toyota should have brought FI to the remaining two models more quickly than it did.

    alpha - I loved that FX16 hatch! If Toyota brought a car like that to market today, I bet it would sell really well.

    Of course, if it had to pick between a 2004 FX16 and this corolla XLE that has been proposed, I bet the XLE would sell better. It would have to have more power (the RAV4 engine, maybe?) and a much nicer interior than the LE though. This meaning that they would have to get rid of lots of that hard plastic, and replace it with softer-touch materials like Jetta has. A moonroof should be standard.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    You got a good deal at $11K CDN for an Echo with auto and A/C! That seems amazing!

    Too amazing to be true I'm afraid. Either it was not new or pulgo converted his/her price to US$. US$11000 is still pretty amazing for what you get though.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The RAV4 engine (which is related to the Camry 4cly) is exactly what I was thinking, but I'm sure theres production/logistical issues with introducing a new engine option. In a nutshell, I'd like to see Toyota kill the stupid S model, introduce an SE and XLE 4-door, kill the Echo, and bring back Corolla hatches, to include, of course, an equivalent of the FX16 series, and a strippo VE.

    Sorry pulgo, but with decent equipment, like a tach, 15 in. wheels, air, etc., the Echo quickly approaches/exceeds the price of a Corolla CE, which has all those things standard. Plus, the Echo is ugly, and feels like it will flip over in a crosswind (or at least did when I drove a 2001 through NY state last year). I dont know where you are obtaining your acceleration info, but the Corolla seems to be the winner from what I've seen (Car and Driver, 5sp manual models). And the Corolla gets up to what...40 mpg with a stick?... hardly anything to scoff at, even if its worse than Echo. At the very least, if Toyota must continue the Echo, it should be priced against the Accent with which it competes.

  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    I have to clarify my previous statement. I did pay a little over US$ 11000 for my Echo.

    I drove the Accent for a few days. In fact I rented a brand new one for a week.

    For those who have driven both cars (Echo and Accent), there just is no comparison. The automatic Echo gets better mileage than the manual Accent (combined), due to the better engine and fuel injection technology.

    For those who want to spend the minimum possible amount for a car, yes, the Accent is a very good option.

    For me there was no doubt whatsoever.

    Where I live, we have high winds on an almost daily basis. Yes the car is sensitive to side winds but not that much.

    My previous car was a Chevrolet Caprice that was completely immune from high winds so I know the difference.

    Have I mentioned that I like the Corolla? Yes I do but my goal was buying a car that would be as inexpensive as possible, give me a very long service with a minimum in maintenance and monthly repairs. So far repairs are 0. Maintenance has been oil changes every 8k miles (synthetic oil), 2 air filters, 1 set of platinum spark plugs, 1 cabin air filter. That's it, not even a light bulb to replace. What more can I wish for?

    Well, I would love an Audi A6 with the turbodiesel engine they sell in Germany, but that's another story.

    I wish everybody a great weekend and don't be mad with me if I still like my Echo better than other small cars. It's just a matter of personal taste.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    If you love the A-6, the Passat will be available this fall with a 130 hp turbo diesel engine. About 250 lb/ft of torque. A whole lot cheaper than the A-6, and with the fuel economy of an Echo.
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    I can't see what benefit there would be to having one available. I mean, Corollas already offer leather, a moonroof, ABS, side airbags, etc., but few are sold that way. I do agree it would be 'nice' to have the option of a bit more power, and a distinctly sporty suspension for the 'S', which currently is just a CE with body stuff, at least in basic trim. I'd like to see the bigger engine and stiffer suspensions as stand-alone options, but I guess that's a bit much to ask for. Strange the Matrix offers both, and AWD, but they're not selling so well, from what I can tell (my local dealer has 49 Corollas on the lot and usually 3-6 Matrix). I'd think it would be easy to offer both on the Corolla, since they're on the same platform. The problem is that if an XLE or upgraded Sport Corolla were offered, they'd be pushing or even exceeding $20k. At that price, they'd have customers looking elsewhere, or at Camrys. Let's not forget that the Corolla's main function is as an economy car. I will concede that the 'premium' small car market is growing (nobody seems to have a problem with $25k Jettas) and the Camry's current porcine dimensions are not for everyone, regardless of how much they want to spend. Camrys are just too big and Buicky for most urban singles, but the Corollas lack the power and some of the amenities some small car buyers want. Maybe another model altogether should be offered? I dunno.

    Some changes I'd like to see: offer power windows and keyless on the CE, I'd like both but don't want Grandma's fake wood trim on the LE, nor do I want Junior's ugly tack-on trim of the 'S', and those are the only way I can get them. I would also love to see a two-door Corolla and maybe a hatchback, stealing some more sales from Civic if they offered both. There are plenty of people, younger especially, who don't want a four-door but don't like the Echo and can't afford a Celica or Solara. There's a big gap ($14-18k) a Corolla coupe would fill nicely.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Yeah the Passat is nice but the A6 comes with a 2.5 liter commonrail diesel making 177 HP.

    Price in Germany: around US$ 40000.

    I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on a car that will be worth little after 5-6 years with the kind of mileage I put on cars (35k miles per year).
  • tw8tw8 Posts: 4
    My 2003 Corolla is 10 months old and has about a dozen or so paint chipped areas over the hood and fender areas. Is anyone else having similar problems and what can I do about this? It seems subpar for Toyota standards.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    If it is the fault of Toyota it should be covered by warranty.

    If you drove the Dalton or the Alaska Highway (just kidding), then you will have to pay for it.
  • pofigistpofigist Posts: 5

    I am sorry if this post belongs to a different topic, but I couldn't find a thread about Corolla pricing.

    A friend of mine from NY tri-state area is about to buy a 03 Corolla LE. I think that she can get it for about invoice, or a little over. Is it correct? I will actually suggest her to do what I did when I was buying my last car: make a take-it-or-leave-it OTD offer. Amount will be calculated as follows:

    <price of a car> + <extra amount> + <advertising> + <doc fee> + TTL

    <price of a car> already includes all options and destination charge.

    My question is: how much should be <extra amount>? Also, please let me know if Corollas are selling for under invoice or there are cash incentives that I am not aware of. I assume she'll qualify for 0% financing, which certainly helps a lot.

    Thank you for your help.
  • rxsorentrxsorent Posts: 10
    I have my Corolla for about 10 months too and it is also chipping on hood and fenders. Toyota must have put some cheap paint on the vehicle. I have a feeling if you bring it to the dealer, they are going to say that little rocks caused the problem which would make it not covered under the warrranty. Please keep me informed. Thanks.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi - while you wait to see if someone can assist you here, you might also want to copy your messsage and post it in this discussion as well: Corolla & Matrix Owners: What did you pay?

    Good luck!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I do not expect Toyota to cover little chips in the paint that were casued by flying rocks from the road. How can Toyota control or prevent the appearance of little rocks that cause the paint to chip?
  • sonny18sonny18 Posts: 5
    does anyone know if there is an adjustment to the tilt steering that will allow it to drop another 2 inches or so?

    can the dealer make this adjustment, or is there no way?
  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    Anyone remember the Corolla GT-S two doors from the late 80s? Or the FX16 hatchbacks?

    I owned a GT-S for 10 and a half years. Fast fun car.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,469
    They should make a GT-S of the current Corolla! I looked at the GT-S when I got my Integra in 1990 - Integra won because of FWD, but GT-S was very nice.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Thats exactly what I think.
    Kill the stupid Matrix and Echo, give us a real Corolla HB with an sporty version like the FX16, give us a GT-S coupe, an XLE sedan with available NAV, Head Curtains, bigger engine and tires, and switch the S model to an SE, along the lines of the Camry's SE trim level.

    Toyota has its head in the sand, and if it doesnt start producing solid performing, interesting, APPEALING products, instead of just solid performing products, its going to end up like Nissan, circa 1996.

  • juliansjulians Posts: 42
    I guess this is why they are making Scion.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    the Scions are ugly, trendy, underpowered, use the stupid center mounted instrument panel, the list goes on. Toyota doesnt understand that 'different' doenst necessarily mean 'appealing'. One thing the Scions have going for them- decent pricing- but how is that going to benefit Toyota, especially if the things dont sell. Didnt Toyota already try this with the ECHO, anyway?

  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 734
    Yes..I agree. But, i guess this design (fault!) is getting more and more use. The new Nissan minivan due out this year also has this. YUK!
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    People buy cars for different reasons and have different tastes. Thank God!

    I think who bashes other cars just has a different taste when it comes to cars.

    An labelling a car stupid is not the brightest idea either. Any more of those intelligent comments you want to share?
  • redzx3redzx3 Posts: 16
    I happen to think the new Echo is cute i just hope that they keep makeing them .
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 734
    My intention was not to offend anyone, just stating my personal design thoughts. Also, I think that more than one magazine has commented on the "awkward" positioning of the center speedomoter/guages, causing a longer time for the driver's eyes to look over then back to the road. A possible safety issue. Several car lines now use this feature, the new Mini, a new Saturn model come to mind, so, maybe it's just my personal preference. Again, no offense intended.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I do agree that the newer ECHO is better looking. However, pulgo, from a business standpoint, let me rephrase my comment. I think it is STUPID of Toyota to try the same thing twice- penetrate the "youth" market with "unique" cars. It didnt work well with the ECHO, and its not going to work with SCION. I think its STUPID to build a car for needs which marketing types create, but dont really exist. I am not an expert, and who knows, maybe the bX will be the next titan. But I doubt it. If however, Toyota could extend the Corolla line to appeal to a broader range of audiences (something that WORKED in the 80s), I think they would have a better chance. No, I dont like the Matrix, but at least it is based off that concept.

    PS- just as people are allowed to make any vehicle purchase their hearts desire, so am i allowed to call a vehicle stupid.
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