Toyota Avalon 2004 and earlier

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  • kozakidkozakid Member Posts: 16
    I bought my 2003 Avalon in September of last year. About three months ago the yellow "Check Engine Light" (above the odometer) came on and stayed on.

    Several days later I took the car in to Savannah Toyota (where I bought it) and after running a diagnostic test the technician, according to the invoice, "Replaced Charcoal Canister." (On the invoice I also see "PULLED PO441, 442, 446", whatever that means.) The light did go out, but two days later (July 30th) the "Check Engine Light" came on again and stayed on.

    A few days ago I finally got around to taking the car in again and had a second diagnostic test done. This time the invoice reads "PO 440, 441 VAC. VALVE SWITCH INOP REPLACED." So I assume that means some sort of valve switch was replaced. In any case, today the "Check Engine Light" came on once more and has stayed on.

    Has anyone had a similar problem, and, if so, how was it resolved? Both times I've wasted approximately three hours at Savannah Toyota, and this is really starting to get annoying.
  • gscheil1gscheil1 Member Posts: 72
    I really love my Avalon but due to declining years and not doing extensive highway traveling, my wife and I no longer need this large a car. Its the best car I have ever owned or driven. No problems.
    Since I am an environmentalist, I am trading for the 2004 Prius with all options. I have driven it and its pretty good. Rides nice and smoooooth. Ordered mine about 2 months ago when first announced and it is to be delivered to dealer next Monday. As soon as I figure how to use all the touch screens, am sure I will enjoy it. The Navigation Screen contains the BlueTooth system for cell phone use automatically as long as you have the cell phone on your person.
  • travelerjbtravelerjb Member Posts: 46
    I can well understand you liking the Prius. The salesman who sold me my 03 XLS drove me in one of these to get my car from another dealer. I too was very impressed at the smooth quiet ride of that car. It's amazing really. Heck, if I didn't need the room I too would have considered that car. I think it is leading all others in that area. Nicely executed indeed. Good luck with that.
  • mobofemobofe Member Posts: 51
    went to test drive this car today and I was impressed by the ride as well as the enormous room this car has. I can however do without the huge and ugly monstrosity they call the stickshift and the hideous console they have. What a disservice to a near-luxury car.
  • mcclearyflmcclearyfl Member Posts: 149
    I realize that beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, but the Avalon console and shift lever are rather typical of near-luxury cars, regardless of whether the shift is on the column or on the floor. I'm not familiar with the console appearance when fitted with the optional navigational screen, but most of these do look awful regardless of the make or model.
  • wachsmuthwachsmuth Member Posts: 19
    Sure do appreciate your suggestions re: my "gurgling noise". I went to my dealer and had all the things checked that you mentioned, but all were okay. Then we discussed the gas - he told me that Sam's Club gas (which I had been using exclusively) may be inferior to some other brands. He suggested that I wait until the tank is almost empty, then fill up on a different brand. He mentioned several places to go. So I did that, using high-test 9l Octane, and added a can of BG K-44 additive. It has been 2 weeks now, and NO MORE GURGLING NOISE ! (average mileage around town is 25 MPG) I'm ready to gas up again & will use regular octane. Hopefully, my problem has been solved....and I do appreciate all the input. It's great to have brains to pick when you have a problem !!
  • stickymanstickyman Member Posts: 53
    I have a 2001 XLS and love it. This is really the best car that I have ever owned. I used it for 2.5 years for business (Hwy.) driving and it was fantastic. I just purchased a 03 TL Type S because it is "Younger in Appearance" and has alot more power. I hope that Toyota can re-design the Avalon and bring it into the class with the TL's or G-35's. The 210hp engine is fine but with a new design, more HP, and better wheels, Toyota may see an increase in their sales.
    Just my two cent worth of thoughts this Monday afternoon.
  • kicker9kicker9 Member Posts: 57
    Just replaced my Michelin MXV4 Plus front tires with Nokian WR all WEATHER tires. The Michelins are adequate in the snow, but, not a real snow biting tread pattern, unfortunately in the north east corner of NY I need them for more than a couple of weeks. I'll let the board know how they are when the inevitable comes.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    To the writers above:

    The new 330hp engine will carry over to the new Avalon. I would agree that an increase in torque and hp, just a little without affecting gas mileage would be very nice.

    In regards to the user in the NE corner of New York, I drive from West Point, NY to Ft. Drum, NY through the snowbelt quite frequently, once or twice a month. If you all season tires do not cut it, you might try to remedy this, with the purchase of an additional set of wheels (ebay) and winter tires. You will find quite a difference b/w all season tires and winter tires, especially when the snow gets over a few inches on the road.

    I am sure they will be using 16" and the new 17" rims that they are using on the Solara or Lexus. Toyota is a "Master" at cross using the parts bin.

    I have no complaints with the column shifter in useage or other. It is in its proper place as is the OD override button. This was a direct copy from American Large vehicles. I have no comment on the floor model, (my opinion)however besides being unsightly as you described, it takes up floor space and seat space. I need a space for my big pocket book. Sick.

    Enjoying this forum. Nomad56. Where are my fuzzy steering mods man!!! Don't make me wait.

    abfisch
  • stickymanstickyman Member Posts: 53
    abfisch,

    You speak of a 330HP engine coming out. I have not heard a thing about it. Can you explain more details? Is this a V6 or V8(?)and is it coming from Toyota or Lexus division? This is the type of power the Avalon could use after 5+ years with the 210HP. I have no issues with the shifter, I do like the shift gate idea that Acura and other manufacturers offer...neat when you have the desire to add fun to the drive.
    Stickyman
  • finfin Member Posts: 594
    This forum has long been a place to compare the Avalon and the Acura TL/TLS. Opinions and ideas are many. BUT, reading the prices and specs for the new '04 Acura, this comparison may no longer be valid.

    My thoughts: Acuras cost more than an ANY XL and, using sales prices, not list, it is hard to push an XLS to even the base Acura level.

    The Acura driver's seat size and rear seat room are still minimal compared to Avalon.

    BOTH the gas tank and trunk in the new Acura TL are -smaller- than last year. (The trunk is actually smaller than some Honda Accord V6 trunks.) Neither approach Avalon capacity.

    And the difference in sheer power and road "feel" is now more different than ever. BIG TIME different. Only the mutual high level of build quality remains the same.

    Are we losing what has been one of our best comparisons to the Avalon? Your thoughts, all......??
  • footiefootie Member Posts: 636
    I never really thought of the TL being an Avalon competitor. The TL is an ES300/330 competitor and is now trying to take on the 3-series BMW. I don't think the TL competes nearly as well there as does the G35.

    To me, if anything, the RL is closer to the Avalon. The RL always listed for $40K but typically had to be sold for $36-37, just a few K up from the XLS sticker. The RL's seem to hold up like the Legends and are usually a great used car buy coming off lease. I don't know about Avvy's.

    Honda has themselves in a tough niche with the entire Acura product line. A little short on the goods and a little high on the prices.
  • gteach26gteach26 Member Posts: 576
    the restyled '05 Avalon will have enough changes to give Acura (even Toyo's own Lexus) an even greater run for their money... if they make that exterior a little more sporty-looking it would be high on my list!
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Stickyman:

    The Avalon's engine will be the current one that Toyota/Lexus is starting to put in their new lines. In other words, you start to see the Lexus 330, New Camry all with 3.3L engines instead of the 3.0L engine. That is the difference. Bigger 6 C not an 8. The torque is probably more important than the HP to most Avalon drivers. Toyota is a master at crossing parts between models, both good and bad, depending on the quality of the part.

    Hope that helps.

    abfisch
  • travelerjbtravelerjb Member Posts: 46
    all in all they did a wonderful job on that new TL. It is tighter than ever with a much more rigid chassis (a direction most manufacturers seem to be going in) which greatly enhances the handling, not to mention those beefy tires they now have on it. The interior is "make no mistake about it" upscale with German level quality to be sure. I'm not in love with the dash, but the stereo finally would keep up with the Avy's. The trunk is unusable for a salesman as myself needing the space for sample. The engine and suspension are decidedly on the side of performance make no mistake about it. It don't consider this the type of car a typical Avalon owner would gravitate towards, but it certainly is a wonderfully executed car. I must be in the minority but have NO love of that G35. It doesn't do it for me. I'd rather do a TL if I were going that route. Since I have several more years and thousands more miles to put on my Avy I'm not even pondering the choices at this time. My back is very happy with the seats in the Avy and until that love affair goes away I'll keep her. :-)
  • jluther2jluther2 Member Posts: 18
    Could anyone please tell me where I could get a copy of the Toyota Avalon 2003 basic 3 yr.36,000 miles warranty?

    Dealer claims wind noise, vibration or other detoriation caused by normal use is not covered by Toyota Warranty.

    They claim mileage is not a factor. 10 miles 3,000 miles still considered normal use????

    I totally disagree.

    Thanks,

    JLuther
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    JLuther2:

    Let the forum know about your exact problems. There are people on this forum with much experience and enjoying trigger shooting stuff.

    I believe the warranty is in back of the owner's manual stuff they give you with the car.

    What type of wind noise are you having??? Virbration where?? In the steering column.??

    abfisch
  • LewLew Member Posts: 1
    Hi. I have developed an intermitent squeak in the plastic around the iginition/key insert area.
    This is a separate piece from the surrounding dash area and it apparently rubs and makes a bit
    of noise at various times. Anyone experience this squeak and find a suitable fix?
    Regards,
    L.
  • jjgittesjjgittes Member Posts: 54
    Anyone purchase or negotiate for a 2004 Avalon XL in Southern Cal. lately? What would a good deal be? I think I saw an ad for $25k a few weeks ago. Nice car (although styling is a little staid) for the $ if one can be had for that.
  • smu1976smu1976 Member Posts: 110
    Have a 04 XLS with the navigation system. Rides like a Lincoln Town Car, no complaints except I think its a pain in the X#* to hit English or French button every time I start the car, then OK after that. Damn, I'm still ticked at those Frenchies over Iraq, now the car has to remind me several times a day not to choose their language.
    Am I missing something here?

    Also, I agree, the tires and wheels are just too small for this car(and I have the 16"", it looks like its on wagon wheels, any solid recommendations on a bigger tire and wheel without drastic handling changes?? Does Toyota sell some mud flaps to hide this?

    The car was a company car option, but clearly in 25 years, the best company car I ever was offered.

    Thanks,
  • andy86andy86 Member Posts: 1
    Just bought a 98 Avalon XL and found the alarm system strange. When I use the remote to lock it, and then use the key to unlock the door, then once I open the door, the alarm goes off. If I use the remote to unlock the door, sometimes it beeps 4 times, but the alarm would not go off if I open the door. It's annoying and does not seem to be normal. I would appreciate any input of how to correct this.
  • kicker9kicker9 Member Posts: 57
    Just an update on the Nokian WRs, received a couple inches of snow last night and they were more than adequate, glad I won't have to take them off in the spring like I would snows, they are also very quiet and handle rain and deep puddles extremely well.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Post #2451: In regards to your ignition squeak/key entry problem, I have not heard of this before but entirely possible. What I would do is this. This is if the dealer cannot handle it for whatever reason. I believe since the key entry to the dash is a separate piece, it can be relatively easily removed. Then ride around without it, to see if it is acutally it. Look at the fasterners attaching it to see if they are intergral, and put good electrical silicone in back of it and refit it.

    Post #2453: In regeards to your NAV system, I have not an answer. I specifically did NOT buy the XLS for that reason. I find it alot of money for not much show. However, for the tires or wheels, that is something different, and I have done quite alot of work on this. Yes, I would agree that the 60 series tires, especially, do not appear to "Look" aggessive for the width of the car. However, let us know what you are after and we can come up with a solution. You will notice that the fenders on this Toyota are not "flaired" much. Compare it to an Audi or similar vehicle. So too wide would look ridiculous. Yes they make Splash guards for it (Canadian) but they are pretty much for the OEM size tire. A 215 or 225 you could put on the vehicle but you would have to change the series, to a lower profile. While you would get better initial steering response, the ride would suffer and the chassis will not respond as fast as the tires.

    See the tire web sites for further details. I would change the "weak" shocks before I would change the wheels or tires. You will notice an immediate difference in handling, braking, and lack of high speed dive and deflection in the car, with the same tires. It would be like riding in a sports sedan, while still retaining some of the quiet, insulating properties of the large luxury status.

    Good luck and let us know what you do.

    abfisch
  • nomad56nomad56 Member Posts: 134
    WOW! how did you find that one??? I agree with ab. That trim piece is removable. Remove it. If squeek is gone, yup, that's it!!! Then my fix-it is 1) Just get a new one that will fit snug, or 2) Get Teflon tape(expensive, but GRRRREAT!), and affix it to the back of the trim piece. This will give you a snug fit AND the teflon surface is slick, it should eliminate any friction squeeks. -nomad56-
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    I have read a lot of comparisons between the Avalon and the Acura--TL/RL, ES330, the new Maxima, but never to the Hyundai XG350/L.

    The XG350L has the same exterior dimension as the Avalon and it comes standard with sunroof and a host of other goodies in including 5-year/60,000 mile warranty. And not to mention it is almost $10 grand cheaper.

    I have not test driven the XG350/L yet but I am seriously considering it for my next purchase. I also understand a V8 version is coming soon. I don’t know that for a fact but I believe most of Hyundai’s quality issues are behind it.
  • mmcneilmmcneil Member Posts: 4
    Am having issues with service at the Dealership and corresponding complaints to the Toyota Regional rep. Most of the concern is with the handling of the car and a vibration with the front end. Replaced all 4 Michelins at 34K with balancing and alignment. I also seem to have what I considered excess paint chips and the finish on the leather is worn. According to dealer and Toyota rep this is normal wear and tear. Worst car purchasing and service experience I have ever had (5 new cars). Currently looking at other vehicles hopefully with a manufacturer that will stand beind its product.
  • footiefootie Member Posts: 636
    This is very unusual in terms of both the problems and the experience you are having ... this sounds much more like what I hear over on the the Mercedes boards - not Toyota.

    Who's the dealer? Which region? What kind of vibrations? I had a simple squeak that I only heard when I went in and out of my driveway and Toyota replaced the front struts without a blink. They brought in a special guy to find a clicking rattle that I would have sworn was under the back seat, but was actually a seat belt.

    We have 33K on our Michelins (from 2000) and they are still ok. I just drove to Delaware and back this week on them ( 300 miles each way) and all was fine.

    28.5 mpg on the gasoline (measured ... 29 computed by the car) and 62 mph door-to-door including stops.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    mcneil:

    I HAD THE EXACT SAME ISSUES. I would have to discount post #2460. The dealership I dealt with was Toyota of Newburgh, NY and they proceded to play "Circle jerk" for 1.5 years between the dealership and the corporation. I had the same handling and vibration PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!! It is a relatively easy fix, ONCE the diagnosis is apparent. The vibration shacks the wheel, the faster you go, the car fights itself at high speed, and you notice the passengar seat do a jiggle right???? Normal wear and tear on a new car. Come on. They are some incompetent.

    If you are interested, e-mail this forum again, and I will lead you through it. And, don't be afraid to note your bad experience dealership with this forum. It will help others avoid these pitfalls.

    abfisch
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Does anyone know if the new 3.3L engine Lexus and Toyota are now using requires premium gas??? I think I noted in a couple of magazines that the new engines have premium recommended.

    afisch
  • yankeryanker Member Posts: 156
    We own a 2000 Avalon XlS and about 43000. I replaced the tires at 38000 Michelins and was disappointed that they did not do better. I had a 88 Accord that went well into the 50's on two sets. I have an 03 Accord and it has Michelins and frankly the ride is below average. The Avalon has finally developed a squeak but my wife will live it. It is a great car with no console. It was a real bargain. Our two Camry's went to 90000 before any problems. Avalon is a great car.
  • footiefootie Member Posts: 636
    Why do you 'discount' post 2460?

    You had your experience (which I don't discount at all) and we had ours. Just different.

    I hope you can help mmcneil. If you had trouble like this and it finally got resolved then all can benefit from your experience!
  • mmcneilmmcneil Member Posts: 4
    It is a 2003 Avalon XL with all the options with the sports package. (leather, 16" wheels, JBL, etc). The dealer is Toyota of Nashua and the Reps are out of the North Region. Neither one of the reps actually drove the car, which I do not believe woould have made a difference. It is amazing how the service tickets are written up to allow for a fair amount of ambiguity when following up with the problem (sort of like the "Guess your weight" game at the carnival). The car has 36 K on it at this point and is 14 months old. Between a full time class load, a full time job and consulting work on the side I do not have the time to waste dealing with Toyota and the dealer. Any suggestions would be greatly aprreciated.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Mcneil:

    Give me the signs and symptoms, like you are talking to a doctor. You drive alot. When does this occur. All the time, at speed, the faster you go, ONLY when you hit the brake, ......etc. Give me the detail, so I can make sure I am giving you genuine advise and it is the same problem I had fixed on my vehicle.

    Does the steering wheel shimmy at higher speeds??Does the car seem like it is fighting you at higher speeds, say above 65MPH??? I am sure you are sick of your dealers BS as I was.

    Let me know when, where, how, etc.

    When I get the symptoms, I can better help you. Nomad56 hopefully will get on and help out as well.

    Don't waste anymore of your time with being mad at the dealership. You are very busy, as I was (a Army job, a consulting job, and a long distance relationship). Tell me exactly what the car is doing.

    Also, I am a Northeast driver as well, driving from West Point,NY to Ft Drum,NY through the snowbelt. So I understand you type and amount of driving. E-mail through this forum for help.

    abfisch
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Forum:

    For those of you, who DO NOT think that ALL Toyota dealerships are competent and caring, nor the corporation, please refer to post CAMRY RATTLES #28 or 292. This has become more of an occurrence lately, since Toyota is selling more cars. This is disgusting, and partially happened to me.

    You should not be surprised when people write in to these forums and are getting the run around.

    abfisch
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Premium is recommended for best performance but IS NOT REQUIRED. The engine should run just fine on regular. What does it matter, though, the 3.3L is not available in the Avalon....yet.

    WOW- talk about a blatant design rip off- The Kia Amanti dashboard/intstrument panel is an EXACT Avalon replica. Guess imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery.

    ~alpha
  • mcclearyflmcclearyfl Member Posts: 149
    Alpha certainly hits the mark re the amazing similarity between the Amanti and Avalon dashboards. The whole Amanti interior has an Avalon character, and the Kia website draws direct comparisons between their Amanti and Toyota's Avalon. Promotional material also lists Buick's Regal as a target. I did notice that the console climate and radio controls are less cluttered than those in my Avalon. I haven't seen a selling price yet, but if it comes in at a typical Kia price with a 10-year powertrain warranty, they will have a sure winner -- and possibly consign Avalon 2004 sales to the trash can. The 2005 model can't come quickly enough for Toyota.
  • mmcneilmmcneil Member Posts: 4
    The vibration starts @ 60 mph and varies with speed up to 75 mph. The car drifys to the left over 50 mph regardless of the crown in the road. I was told that I "should have purchased a lexus with a double wishbone suspension if you did't want the drift" (actual quote). The ES was on the list but the Avalon was a tad roomier. The vibration now also appears during braking which may indicate the rotors need to be turned though there is plenty of pad left. Is there a Toyota bulletin on Wind/Road noise concerning the door seals?
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Mike:

    Here we go. These are my experiences not the gospel..Do NOT get discouraged. You do not have a LEMON..You have morons that cannot diagnose their own car problems, and a corporation that got too big to care about its customers.

    1. The NEW Lexus ES330 DOES NOT, repeat, DOES NOT come with double wishbone suspesnion, either in the front or the back. Honda/Acuras do, as do BMW's that are multi link. Toyotas typically (read cheaper) come with independ. Macpherson struts(good)with dual link (really suspension arms)that are good not excellent. None of this has anything to do with the VIBRATION and DRIFT that you have.

    2. If, and I would imagine you have already, checked the tires, wheels, and alignment (they have or take it to someone independent (like a family wheel and alignment place that cares), then in FACT, it is your ROTORS (and indirectly now, pads). Even though their is no demonstrable pad wear. The CRAPO rotors they contract out for are on the Camry/Avalon/Lexus/Solora models. (Read saving alot of corporate money). Mine came with the R side being SEVERELY warped. They told me I must have hit some water, or I brake too hard, or yada yada yada. Just not the case. Actually most of my driving in NYS thruway up to Ft. Drum, NY and around a small mountain to work where the speed limit is around 40MPH and I take it out of overdrive. My bet is that one of your FRONT rotors are warped too, not from your driving, but from a cheap part.

    3. They will tell you, either you did it, or it still meets specs, via their micrometer. Rarely, will they take the time to put a "run out gauge" on it to see the totol run out of each side.

    4. You can do one of 2 things. First though, make sure the tires,wheels, and alignment are squared away and keep ALL receipts.

    5. Either argue with them, which you really don't have time to do, or do the following in #6.

    6. Go to the internet. Find a website that sells premium front rotors for the Avalon. I bought mine from www.tirerack.com but there are cheaper places if you search. I bought POWERSLOT ROTORS for the R and L sides, and EBC Green stuff front brake pads. Either you, if you are capable change the rotors yourself, if not, then take it to the same "Wheel and alignment place" and they can do it. There are other premium Rotors, such as EBC or Brembro now, and I believe any of them are good. The reason you need to replace the pads is because the warpage, has changed the pad surface and it is uneven now. You might notice when you step on the brake very hard and downhill that the auto shutters. These premium rotors are slotted and/or dimpled or drilled. I just got the slotted.

    7. Do NOT, Do NOT, Do NOT CUT or TURN the rotors. They will soon turn to the original warped condition within 5K miles. They do not dissipate heat the same way and I never advocate this. Is is cheap and unsafe, and costly in the long run.

    8. You can use OEM pads, new ones too. I don't have a problem with this, but the rotors need to be replaced not cut, and you need to put on ones that are perfectly balanced from the get go. The EBC street pads, do not last as long, but man do they grab and you will notice a difference in the car riding and braking, remarkably. They do also put out brake dust, which is a pain in the backside, unless you like to clean or use a wheel inside cover called Kleen wheels to keep the brake dust off.

    8. I know you are saying, why should I do this when I bought a beautiful new Toyota Avalon. It should have come perfect and Toyota should be reponsible for fixing it. Well, you are right, but not exactly. I was in the same exact dilemma too and it hurt me terribly. The $500 it will take to fix this problem, will save you many trips, aggravation, heartache, and you will have learned somethihng more valuable along the way.

    9. If I am correct, I hope that you either do it yourself and learn how to do your own brakes, or find a good place that is fair, and does meticulous work.

    10. Please let me know how things go, as I will have gotten something out of this mess too. It took me 16 months to fix this myself and I want to know I helped someone else along the way.

    Regards. Excuse the lack of spell check errors. I typed this fast this AM.

    abfisch

    PS: If it is a new car, and I think you said it was a 03 XLS, I do not think the door seals are the problem although I had a problem with my front one. Not from wind noise though. Check the other posts. Check the doors alignment. The big mirrors make some noise but not very much on mine. Let me know how you do with the vibration and we can work on one problem at a time. I have a couple of other tricks that have worked out very well for a Northeast car.
  • wachsmuthwachsmuth Member Posts: 19
    I wonder if anyone else has noticed this - when I am driving, I get full stereo sound on the radio. But when I am parked, and have it on accesories, the sound is in mono, not stereo ! Wonder why? Any input? Thanks.
  • finfin Member Posts: 594
    Here are some things to think over before you get a new tire and brake system, folks: Did you rotate tires often enough? If not, you will be suprised because the wear pattern will cause vibrations at some point even with lots of tread left. And it feels worse when you brake. Get new tires, not brake rotors. And, check the inflation for wandering problems. Too much air, or too little, and you can "wander" at 45 mph. Experiment. Just a couple of ideas before you spend bigger bucks. If necessary, I agree with "no turn" on rotors as they may be too thin after just one brake job. Really. Enjoy your Av.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Forum/McNeil

    As I mentioned earlier, yes, check the tires, then wheels, then alignment for before the brakes. This was mentioned in my post. I had checked them three separate time before embarking on the brake rotors. It was NOT the tires, it was not the wheels, and it was not the alignment.

    The Avalon Service Manual has a good, albeit not complete algorithm for vibration problems, although I'd bet money I know where your problems lie.

    Radio separation post- It probably lies in the amp. I do not have the experience to comment on that issue, but I would ask a good stereo shop. I would bet the dealership would have an answer although made up.

    In my opinion, and that is all it is, that Amanti is nice, the criteria to compare it should not be soley on warranty, price, and dash arrangement. Their V6 has been mediocre in the auto press and the company's realibility rating is not on level with Toyota's. The price difference is not that much 2K to substantiate a "Best Buy" vehicle. The XL model Avalon don't have problems with too many of the same buttons nor auto climate control issues.

    abfisch
  • mmcneilmmcneil Member Posts: 4
    I believe that the sub woofer is not powered on in the accessory position, I have noticed the same behavior in my Avalon. My latest complaint is that I have notice the paint peeling from the door moldings. The paint quality seems very suspect and the party line is that if is not bubbling up from underneath there is no problem. It would be nice to see a Service Rep with a technical background instead of a marketing one. I did break down and buy new tires. I had rotated the old ones about every 7k and had 34k on them. I noticed some hydro planing and figured it was time before the snow started to fly. Still debating what to do. I will keep you posted.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    McNeil:

    Since I go through a large snow belt, on the western side of the Adirondacks, I knew I needed some serious traction. I am not sure how much snow you get in southern NH, but if snow is a problem, consistent, and cumulative, another avenue is to do what I did, albeit, again, mo money. Since my last car I had to 236K and I bought the XL model, I had money for my own extras.

    Bought 4 steel wheels off a 1 year old Avalon/Camry over ebay, and put on 4 Michelin Artic Alpins winter tires.

    If you have been through tires, both balancing and rotating, then it ain't the tires. Next go to the wheels, and make sure they are not out of round or the run out is within specs. Unless you hit something, changes are they are good. Then check the alighment, usually good from the factory unless you are hitting winter potholes. Keep going smaller and inside. Next is the brakes/rotors. Have someone put it on a Lathe, and measure thickness AND RUN out. The dealership probably will not take the time. It is too intense for most. While you are doing that, check the struts/shocks. They are weak to begin with (many posts and bottoming out/excessive nose dive reported in CU article, etc) but make sure they are at least OK.

    I replaced the shocks a long time ago with TokicoHP's. (money left over between XL and XLS). Big difference along with everything else.

    Let us know what you find. I am almost sure it is the rotor but use the alogorithm to diagnosis it probably. I have not seen much trouble with the paint, although it chips easily from all the highway driving, espcecially on the hood from the 18 wheeler spray. I put a stone/bug deflector, which I am not crazy about the looks, but have dramatically cut down on the rocks and chips. Splash guards help as well in the salt and sand stuff.

    You can get the car correct, it just takes a little work.

    regards.

    abfisch
  • travelerjbtravelerjb Member Posts: 46
    I agree with abfich on those Arctic Alpin's. Been using them for years, and after trying the Blizzaks, Pirelli and several other top winter tires have found them to give not only the finest ride quality but superb traction on ice and snow. I've hit some whopper snow and ice storms in Nebraska and Minnesota and I must say, they gave me wonderful confidence in awful weather. As far as paint chipping, when I took delivery of my new XLS in May after storing it for several months, I had an extensive ClearBra treatment. This material is simply wonderful to thwart those nasty rock chips and abrasions from car and trucks flinging rocks and road junk at you. Especially the tons of bug crap that ends up on the front end of the car. After a full Spring, Summer and Fall season of this on the open road between Ohio and the West Coast, my front end is as clean and unabraided as the day I took delivery. I've never seen such a durable protection. I had the entire front end, hood, C pillars, lower door portions and bumper wrapped in the stuff, and now glad I did, as it isn't effected by road salt and other junk. worth if if you are very concerned about such things.
  • fndlyfmrflyrfndlyfmrflyr Member Posts: 668
    Thanks for posting suggestion on how to eliminate vibration. What about the CV joints?

    My 96 was vibration free until one of the CV joint covers came apart. There was no knocking from the joint and the joint seemed tight. There was still some lubrication in the joint, though most had sprayed back under the car and against the front wheel and tire.

    After the new boots were installed I had and still have a vibration at high freeway speeds. It is not bad and balancing the tires tends to reduce the vibration somewhat.

    Brakes are OE at 66,000 miles and still have at least half left. The car has the not uncommon Camry and Avalon braking rumble with heavy braking. Always been there. No pulsating.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Travelerjb:

    The Clear Bra Treatement for those who drive in winter weather like you sound very smart. Had I known, I would have done the same. Let the forum know how much, where did you get it done, can you apply it yourself, etc. I am sure others may have a keen interest in this, as I may if not too pricey and I can do it myself.

    CV joint problem: Hmmmmmmmm. A 96 Avalon with how many miles on it????? Were just the new boots put on or the CV joint(s) replaced??????Usually there is a "clicking" sound especially when the front wheel is turned and the car in motion. If the total mileage is 66K (on a 1996???/you don't drive much) and original brakes, Hmmmmmmmmm, and the CV joints are good to go, again,start from outside and outer circumference in. First the tires, balanced and round with even wear, then the wheels...runout good, out of round????, or dented....next is probably going to be the rotors. Although in the sevice algoritm, Toyota describes the alignment, wheel bearing and shocks. I don't think the alignment is going to make it shimmy, more vear to one side, or uneven tire wear, etc.

    If your Toyota dealer is good, then should be able to find it easy, if no good, then take it to a reputable Wheel and Alignment/Spring shop.

    If you can do it yourself, by all means. No one will take more time than you if you have the time.

    All good posts. Keep the questions coming. I am wondering if Nomad56 got lost in traffic during the T-giving holiday.

    abfisch
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    Just a note that I sat, in the NEW TL today. Very nice auto, fit and finish top notch, price about 34K. Really very high quality but.....it does not have he same room, especially for those 6 feet tall or over. Head hits the roof and pillar on exit. Door does open almost 90 degrees.

    Did not want to drive it.

    abfisch
  • travelerjbtravelerjb Member Posts: 46
    For those interested you can read more at www.clearbra.com if interested. Most major towns/cities have at least one dealer/installer for this product. In Salt Lake City for example there are no less than 4 of them. While I got rather carried away with the treatment, I paid about $1200 for the entire front end, the entire front hood, front fenders, window pillars, lower halfs of both doors and the entire rear bumper unit as well as the top part of the trunk lid. For a front end treatment which includes a tapered area on the hood and front fenders (most common) it is typically around $350 installed. You can purchase the product on your own and install it, but since I was NOT aware of how nor did I have the time, I let the pro's do it. I get stares at the dealer when I bring it in as they are in amazement and agreement it will keep the paint in like new condition. As I said I was even very surprised to find after a season of travel from Ohio to the West Coast having had lot's of rocks and gravel thrown at me, as well as bad storms, it is still unabraided and like factory fresh. It's worth it for the peace of mind for those like myself that are a bit obsessive about their cars. I just could not bear to see the front end pitted all up like the last car I had after only one major trip. It IS worth it IMHO. Takes a day to install at a professional. I have no idea how much time would be involved in a do it yourself approach.
  • christopherpchristopherp Member Posts: 11
    When the motor is off and the accessories on, the subwoofer for the radio is not on. The car must be running for the subwoofer to be on. With the subwoofer off, the stereo sounds poor.
  • abfischabfisch Member Posts: 591
    McNeil:

    Interested in how your shimmy problem worked out. IF you are out there, please "feed the forum" to help others.

    abfisch
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