Lexus IS 300

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  • jcbrackjcbrack Member Posts: 9
    well everyone has there options on VSC it seems....I on the other hand own 2 cars with it equipped and wouldn't buy one without (after having it save my bacon once or twice).

    However three things are worth noting:

    1) the negative comments about VSC are very similar to those 10 or so years ago about ABS..ie real drivers don't need it and it gets in the way when driving hard...etc etc...well times have changed and so have attitudes.

    2) VSC is very similar to BMW's DSC which is on the M3 and M5..now these are REAL drivers cars and it seems the driving gods at BMW think its a good idea....as do Corvette...plus MB etc etc.

    3) finally you may think you don't need it and can drive well enough...but remember this one fact...VSC comes on when YOU HAVE LOST CONTROL...well maybe your good enough to get it back...maybe not...but if its wet and you have lost traction and the tail has come out past 40 degrees???...well its times like these that I am thankful for a computer that can brake ONE of my front tires and GENERATE a COUNTER ROTATIONAL SPIN on the car and stablize it....

    and if none of the above makes any sense to you...just turn the f..thing off
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    2002 IS300-------------------

    Does anyone know if Lexus is going to do anything to make the interior look less cheap and more "Lexus-like?"
    Too much econocar-looking plain plastic.
    Lexus has said that they will address the perceived cheap look, but they did not say if they are going to wait until the next all-new version of the IS comes out or if they will improve it in the current body style.
  • chris92676chris92676 Member Posts: 2
    I heard that Lexus will texturize the dashboard.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    They will texturize the dashboard, add a SportWagon version, add the VSC, and also add some new colors and features to the line for 2002.
  • remus26remus26 Member Posts: 34
    No No No, VSC doesn't just come on when you HAVE lost control. It can come on if you're taking a turn hard enough and sliding the car even if you're in full control of the car. Is it any wonder why the Corvette Stability system comes with different modes for it's stability control system?

    S852,

    I believe for one, that Lexus is getting rid of the silver trim on the dashboard that, personally, really makes the IS300 interior look cheap. It is supposed to be getting replaced with black trim all-around. Otherwise, a real center armrest is coming.

    A total redo will have to wait until a new IS300 is introduced. Until then, the same basic interior will stay.
  • jcbrackjcbrack Member Posts: 9
    VSC again...

    In my REAL WORLD experience with VSC...on two VSC equipped cars in MY GARAGE...VSC comes on only after a CONSIDERABLE amount of break away...either understeering or oversteering. Every time it has come on, I have been happy to have the intervention. Its happened several times in the wet and on snow...never in the dry.

    On one occasion in my GS300 I was turning left across a wet road...accelerating slowly I thought...when the tail rather violently came out...I had been caught out by a unique set of circumstance...a negative road camber...wet conditions from run off...and just a tad more power from a very tired driver...anyway the VSC came on and corrected the car...only after I was convinced that a full spin was unavoidable and uncorrectable.

    Frankly ANY time you have oversteer or understeer is an example of loss of control ... PERIOD.

    ...maybe you want to put a car into a slide for the fun of it...if so turn the VSC off. But neither of these are examples of good driving technique.

    But please do not label VSC as a bad thing...VSC or similar is on virtually every high performance car.
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    Went to the NYC auto show on the 14th. Saw the new IS300 in Red w/manual trans and talked to the Lexus Rep. after. The new IS will be out in Sept. the new features have been stated here before,(VSC, arm rest, softer materials inside "to make it feel more like a Lexus", navi, spoiler, optional all leather seats, new colors,etc.) The show car did have a few items that won't make production but probably will be available after market such as steering wheel leather and brakes colored the same as the exterior.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    Red IS300 at show.-----------

    I wonder if anyone took any good pictures of the interior and posted them online?
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    ES300 is now availble for less than an IS300 via Carsdirect (at least in my area).

    I priced a 2001 ES300 with value package and heated seats and a 2001 IS300 with leather, heated seats and moonroof and the ES actually came out cheaper. Amazing.
    You have to really prefer the IS300 to buy one, because it is not the cheapest way to get a new Lexus.
  • corduroygtcorduroygt Member Posts: 19
    Here is the picture for the new interior for the IS300. The steering wheel looks awesome!

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/010110-6.htm
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    The steering wheel with the red leatherette will not make production along with color keyed brakes as I stated above. The link provides the exact car currently at the NYC auto show.
  • keoni_808keoni_808 Member Posts: 2
    I just came back from the nexus Dealer. I did a test drive in the IS 300, and I was impressed. I was wondering if $33,600 with tax, licensing, and doc fees was reasonable, or should I (or can I) get it for a little less? The sales person did discount $1300 from the original price. By the way, this is pricing in Hawaii.

    TIA

    Keoni_808
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Tough place to find any discount on a car. Face it, unless you're willing to buy it in LA and ship it, there's nowhere else to go.
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    I would start the offer at $31,500. Pay no more than $32,000. If he wants more, start walking. Lexus IS300 is price to sell!

    Being that you live in Hawaii, it may be a bit tougher due to lack of competition. But heck, be presistent and demand more for less!
  • magwire1magwire1 Member Posts: 2
    JUST PICKED UP MY 2001 LEXUS. THE CAR DRIVES UNLIKE ANY OTHER JAPANESE CAR I HAVE EVER DRIVEN. I OWNED A '98 BMW 540i WITH DSC. IT NEVER CAME ON WHILE I WAS DRIVING. IT IS REALLY A DEFENSIVE REFLEX BY THE CAR BEFORE YOU LOSE CONTROL. THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES ON A REAR WHEEL DRIVE CAR ARE ABS AND LSD . BECAUSE IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO SPIN YOUR CAR AROUND GET A DUNE BUGGY. IN THE MEANTIME GO FOR THE GUSTO BEFORE THE YEN GOES UP AGAINST THE DOLLAR.
  • dc_75dc_75 Member Posts: 53
    Questions to current owners of IS 300s

    I was wondering about IS300 specific reliability and build quality. How are your cars doing? Any minor squeaks/rattles issues? I have not read of problems on this board save possible and very specific problems with transmission (?)...so I take it as a good thing (?) or...

    I see that the 2002s (with improvements) are out in September...does that mean dealers might/will take orders in the summer? How would you anticipate pricing then on orders/available 2002s etc.

    Also, I see no one has brought up the subject...so I'll venture off. To all owners/prospective buyers, what are your feelings about resale value of the IS few years down the road. As we know, the IS philosophy is different than Lexus' other offerings so we shouldn't assume same resale value/marketability despite Lexus quality/reliability. IMHO the IS is catering to more narrowly scoped market as oppossed to Lexus' other offerings. Although great for enthusiasts/fans but that will hurt resale, wouldn't it? I mean, we are already seeing that Lexus is failing to meet their sales targets but that could be due to overestimating and also the market hasn't been introduced to the manual-transmission IS plus new refinements (designed to increase appeal (?)) I guess, if Lexus is successful in the repositioning of the 2002 IS with its new goodies, resale value will be a little more assured.

    I would like to hear your feelings/opinions on resale value.

    IMHO the IS is a bold step by Lexus and an initially risky one at that(for Lexus). As a result, the IS have been the center of much debate from factions of other brand/marques. But regardless of the issues, the marketplace is a better and richer one at that with bold 'out-there' models like the IS and everyone wins in the end. :-) Wish they had brought in the 2 litre with Turbo instead of the 3 litre, that would have been great and might help regenerate interest in turbocharged pocket-rockets currently spear headed by the WRX. my $0.02...
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    It's hard to predict the resale of the IS300 due to the fact that it's a new model. One gage that could be used is the residual of the leases being offered. Using the Lexus special lease out now, the residual after 39 months is approximately $19000. After dealers receive the turned in leases and try to resell the car figure maybe around $21000-22000. Although this train of thought doesn't always pan out, for example the residual on my 99' RX300 is approx. $27000 after 39 months. These cars are selling between 27-33k now. My lease turn in date is about a year away.
  • kdabbeykdabbey Member Posts: 9
    Anyone seen the TMV for the IS300 now? It is a couple hundred less than invoice! Damn, I just got mine and payed about $900 over invoice. Oh well, what can you do? Looks like a great time to get this car!!
  • dc_75dc_75 Member Posts: 53
    mvs1: my thoughts exactly. The IS300 is a new model, and I guess the only way (at this time) is to look at lease residual values, if only to get a feel of it.

    Additionally, I wanted to know of owners who bought these fine machines and how they feel about resale. i.e. What are their thoughts and feelings on this issue.
    *Eventhough, one could argue the rationale for a purchase of a car like the IS is one of the heart and hence resale values will not factor in...no true enthusiast/fan will ever think of selling their cars in the short term. This is in contrast to owners of 'appliance' cars like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry, where resale value is a priority.*

    I am looking to buy and curious about resale of IS 3-5 years down the road as I like to upgrade/change cars after warranty is over.

    Thank you.
  • syellownsxsyellownsx Member Posts: 16
    I've had my IS for 9 months now, almost 13k miles, and absolutely NO problems with anything! A few suggestions for improvement... gas struts for the hood and that cool auto tilt-away that the 430-models have! :-p

    Howzit, Keoni! I live on Maui and got my IS thru Servco Lexus Maui (as if we have a choice). Before buying here, I called a dealer in Oregon, said that I'm calling from Hawaii to get a quote. He immediately said that he can't give me a quote over the phone, nor could any other dealer in North America. I'm like... WHY?? Did you know that Servco has a control over the Hawaii market for Lexus sales? So, I called back, didn't say where I was calling from and asked for a quote. Believe it or not, the price was about $100 less than what I got mine for. So I guess I ended up with a good deal (for that period in time, which was July 2000), if you calculate airline tickets, transportation and lodging.

    I am very happy with my car and still get compliments on it till this day!
  • keoni_808keoni_808 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks to all those who replied to my question about pricing. I finalized my deal today, and will picking up the car this week. I'm wondering, does anyone have any pics of a GS300 spoiler or any spoiler, for that matter, on an IS 300?

    TIA
  • phatnastycatphatnastycat Member Posts: 73
    The have added the new Altima to my list of next car purchase options along with the IS and the Acura CL-S. Check it out, it is pretty sharp and has an available 240HP engine

    http://www.freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/altima/2002.firstreport01.html
  • whitesurverwhitesurver Member Posts: 4
    Can anyone tell me how the IS300 handles in snow. Thanks.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Pardon me, but I don't think they're in the same class.
  • robertrrobertr Member Posts: 125
    Toyota Altezza + "Lexus" badge + $$$ = BMW Class?
    Nissan Altima + "Nissan" badge + 0 is certainly not in BMW class.

    Would they be in same class if Altima got an Infiniti badge? What if the IS/Altezza were sold as a Toyota like in other countries? Then would "Infiniti Altima" be higher class?

    Let's see...2002 Altima is bigger, faster, nicer interior etc. IS costs more and has Lexus badge, so must be higher class? Confusing!

    I'd consider both also, and evaluate each on its own merits.
  • phatnastycatphatnastycat Member Posts: 73
    I agree with you robertr...the 2002 Altima does provide a valid competitor to the IS300 when you compare what you get in the Altima for the price, the 240HP engine and sporty sedan design. Also consider that Nissan's direction appears to be to move the Maxima to higher class level and position the Altima against the Accord and Camry, not the Civic and Corolla.
    To truly determine if the new Altima can compete with the IS300 as a driver's car, I'll have to wait for the opportunity to test drive one.
    IMO, the current Altima isn't as an exciting an option to own and drive as the IS300.

    I must say raybear, you should be careful that such snobby sounding comments could make others confuse you for a BMW owner :D
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    Horse power alone doesn't make cars comparable. Would you compare an Altima to a 3-series BMW or Audi A4, probably not. In my humble opinion the two are not comparable, a few reasons would be handling/ road holding ability and resale value. How long before you see an Altima lease of $239 per month with $999 down. Also, the argument of rebadging is negligible, all auto makes participate in this process to increase profitability. The Infiniti G20 is up for a redo I wouldn't be surprised to see an Altima based G20.

    I had the opportunity to see the Altima at the NY auto show, Nissan has done an exceptional job with it. The first question from a spectator was where does the Maxima stand with the new Altima selling right next to it.
  • denniswadedenniswade Member Posts: 362
    The current Altima is not even in the same class as the Accord and Camry -- though it has been marketed as such. And to turn your point around, the badge doesn't make any difference in what goes into the car -- it's the car itself that counts.

    The 2002 Altima has yet to be tested, and so cannot be compared to ANY car at this time. However, it appears to be an entirely different car than the current version-- bigger even than the current Maxima, and more powerful. So it looks like the new Altima will be a sold competitor for the Camry -- may even knock it off its perch, in fact.

    However, the new Altima does not appear to be aimed at the sports sedan market, and therefore will not compete with the IS300, 323 or CL-S -- all three of which have roughly equivalent performance but quite different personalities.

    If it does really well, it may compete with the ES300, which is a near-luxury sedan.
  • corduroygtcorduroygt Member Posts: 19
    compare FWD sedans with RWD sedans, as RWD is a MUST for being a "true" sport sedan.
  • syellownsxsyellownsx Member Posts: 16
    Jumping into a FWD car, it feels like learning to drive again! I don't know how I did it in my 2 previous cars, a '95 Accord EX and '97 Prelude SH! RWD drives, handles and especially turns so much more smoothly. FWD and 4-cylinders, never again!
  • robertrrobertr Member Posts: 125
    I prefer the "feel" of RWD, too. On the other hand, the FWD is nice to have in the snow belt, and it does OK with the all-season performance tires, so you don't have the hassle of changing and storing tires and having to drive on snow tires on dry days between the snowstorms.

    But I also prefer manual transmission. Right now, that limits choices to cars made by VW/Audi, BMW, and Nissan - and IS300 when manual becomes available. (2-seaters and Camaro/Mustang, etc. are not options).

    If have to choose between RWD automatic and FWD manual, which do you think is closer to a "true sports sedan"? Overall, I would opt for the latter for the most driving enjoyment.

    RWD+manual now only available from BMW, maybe IS300 soon, likely Nissan (Infiniti) in 2003. Hopefully there will be more choice by 2003.
  • chem123chem123 Member Posts: 272
    I can confirm that the IS 300 manual will be coming out in September. It will be 5 speed and feature a tighter suspension on an already taut car. 0-60 times should drastically improve on the 7.4-7.7 range you saw with the auto. Definitely test drive both the IS and the BMW (are you looking at the 330?) : ).
  • robertrrobertr Member Posts: 125
    Will be getting my next car-a 2003 model-in late 2002. Plan to test drive a short list of cars with manual transmission that are quick with good handling and fun-to-drive with good quality and OK looks and size. That will include the two you mention and hopefully several others that will be new for 2002 or 2003.
  • 00rxguy100rxguy1 Member Posts: 38
    I can't wait until the 2002 model comes out. some of the new features will be pop up navigation and stick shift. all leather and a new red color will be available too. does anyone know if you must make a deposit for the 2002 to get the first ones off the boat.
  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Member Posts: 793
    The Lincoln LS also has a manual 5-spd available :)
  • phatnastycatphatnastycat Member Posts: 73
    Just a question for the crowd. I am considering leasing a 2002 IS this fall. I am trying to decide between go with the new manual or the automatic. My first 2 cars had manual transmissions, with my last 3 cars being automatics only because a manual wasn't available.
    Since, my morning and afternoon commutes are traffic congested, and I wondering if I would regret going with the 5-speed as opposed to the automatic. Just curious what the opinion from the gallery is on this topic. I know a "true" sports sedan should have a manual transmission, and I love driving a 5-speed. I am just not sure for how long I will love it in stop and go traffic.
    -PNC
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    That seems to be a question only you can answer yourself. How long will you be able to tolerate hitting the clutch and shifting numerous times in heavy traffic?
  • dc661dc661 Member Posts: 71
    Does anyone know if there is an aftermarket armrest for the IS300?

    As for the Automatic question, I love mine and don't miss a manual at all. I know some might say it's not a true sports car without a manual, but for me, it's more practical in todays traffic congested roads.
  • syellownsxsyellownsx Member Posts: 16
    Back when I had my '97 Prelude SH, I hated it when there was an accident or what ever that made traffic crawl, and having to shift from 1st to 2nd to 1st... I hardly miss it, though.

    Another thing for me is looks. From pics I've seen of the '02 IS, (if the pics were correct), the shifter looks really tall (like the ones in the old Camry SE), and is still topped with the chrome ball and a nasty looking "bag" at the bottom. I think the "bags" match better with leather knobs that are a little closer to the console.

    Also, even though the '02 will have 18" rims, I don't think they look as smooth as the ones on the '01.
  • syellownsxsyellownsx Member Posts: 16
    Try this link: http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_021514

    P.S. I do like the all-leather seats!!
  • slexyslexy Member Posts: 31
    My dealer informs me that the IS 300 was issued a software patch to eliminate the slight hesitation in downshifting from fifth to third gear when you want to speed up or pass a slower car. He also told me that all late model Lexus have this hesitation including my LS 430. My question is how much did the software patch actually help with those of you who own a new IS 300 and had this adjustment done? Was the difference noticeable? Was there any "downside" to doing it, except for a slight loss in gas milage? Any help will be greatly appeciated as Lexus Corp. has not allowed this same software patch to be given to LS 430 owners as yet. Thanks in advance.
  • pita2000pita2000 Member Posts: 12
    Most IS owners had them reset and the software patch is still in the air. I thought it was for the shifting between 2nd to 3rd gear? I would wait until the 2002 model is here. The problem is in the EMU for the TRAM and Transmission. Does the hesitation bother you that much? I notice it sometimes with my IS and wonder why the engineers put it in the first place. I think you could have them reset.
  • wongkwpwongkwp Member Posts: 2
    I'm looking into buying an IS300 with leather package, moonroof and LSD. Can anyone please tell me what price you have been paying for a same specs that I'm looking for? Is it advisable to get the 17" wheels?
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Up your way they're getting a good bit over invoice. Southern California is much closer to the number, sometimes a bit below if you're not picky about colors. You have to catch the right person at the right time. Check the carsdirect link off of Edmunds for a quote to have a number to beat.
  • phatnastycatphatnastycat Member Posts: 73
    If you are interested in a lease, I know there is a $389/mo for 39 month lease available with about $1200 out of pocket. I have seen that deal here in Atlanta, and you should be able to find it...If you are interested, I have also seen a $399/mo for 39 month lease on the ES300 Coach edition here in the ATL. I forgot how much the upfront was, but it was in the $2K range...Right now lease deals with both the ES and IS are really good due to the info and excitement about the 2002 models that is out there...PNC
  • mjoo600mjoo600 Member Posts: 10
    Hi everyone,

    I have been following this discussion for a while, as well as the forums at is300.net... I guess I am one of those lurkers...:) I am looking to lease an IS300 very soon, and had a few questions I was hoping someone could answer.

    I am familiar with the Destination Charge, which is a fee charged by the maufacturer to the dealer (Edmunds lists it at $545).

    --Is the Acquisition Fee an entirely different charge, or is it just referred to by different names (Setup Fee, etc.)? I always thought they were all the same thing, but for the $399 Hi-Performance lease (including heated seats, leather pkg, sunroof, trunk mat, wheel locks) that Lexus has going for the IS300, they list the following terms:

    Down Payment.....$1,075
    Security Dep........450
    Acquisition Fee.....450
    1st Month Payment...399
    Total Due at signing before taxes and tags: $2,374

    I was thrown off because the Acq. Fee is much less than the Dest. Charge, and doubt that dealers would eat the difference on a standard charge. Is the acquisition Fee something that is related to the lease only? I am asking because the dealer that I went to said that the invoice price according to Edmunds, $29,664 (including pkg options, but without the destination charge), is off by more than $1,000, and I have a hard time believing him, but am open to the possibility that I am wrong. The $399/month program is based on a capitalized cost of $31,866, which still results in a hefty $2,200 profit margin for the dealer, not even including the holdback (~$700, which I leave alone, just for reference purposes here).

    --Is that invoice price wildly inaccurate? Can anyone confirms Edmunds invoice prices with a window sticker pricesheet, along with any other legit charges?

    Since Edmunds lists the True Market Value price as about $250 ($300 w/lease package) BELOW invoice, I am thinking that a fairly decent price can be negotiated.

    As far as the current lease program is concerned, the salesman told me that in order to get the interest rate attached to the lease program (money factor of 0.00228, or 5.47%), the capitalized cost cannot be negotiated. Now as far as I know, the subsidized money factor is set by Lexus Financial Services and can restrict the terms of the leasing details. However, my understanding is that you can always negotiate the capitalized cost (purchase price), and then still use the subsidized rate offered by the program (He already went a couple bucks lower/month than the $399/month, but said that that was the lowest the terms of the lease program would let him go).

    --Can Lexus Financial Services set a minimum capitalized cost price to qualify for the subsidized rate?

    I apologize for the long post, but any knowledgeable comments would be greatly appreciated.

    Mike
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    You can always negotiate the purchase/capitalized cost of a vehicle. Think about it, if you couldn't then how could dealers compete on lease terms using the same company(LCF) and offer lower payments/same terms.

    Terms of the lease:

    Down Payment: also know as capitalized cost reduction. If what you said is correct pertaining to the $2200 profit, let the dealer eat the $1075 basically meaning they make $1175, IMO still too much.

    Security Deposit: Is refundable from LCF you get it back at the end of the lease. Unless you destroy the vehicle

    Acquisition fee: also know as bank fee Lexus charges this just to get the lease. I've heard people say that they have had this fee waived, I have never had it waived before.(I assume that a dealer could tell you its waived and just discount the car that amount)

    1st month's payment is selfexplanitory and the last number is just the total less taxes,license,etc.
  • slexyslexy Member Posts: 31
    Thanks for the quick response. Please tell me what you meant by "most IS owners had them reset"? My dealer said a few were reset by a computer chip adjustment (software patch?) that was given the dealers to eliminate the hesitation. It only bothered me when I was trying to pass a slower moving car on a two lane country road with a speeding car coming from the other direction. My service manager doesn't know why Lexus put the hesitation there on the "pedal to the metal" downshift for whatever gears are involved. He said Lexus has not authorized the reset for the LS 430, since it is not as sporty a car as the IS 300. Are there any other IS 300 owners out there that have had their five speed transmission reset by the dealer? Thanks.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Member Posts: 802
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  • kdabbeykdabbey Member Posts: 9
    Lexus isn't offering the $1000 dollar rebate or the lease deal anymore in May to my knowledge. So getting an IS300 for invoice won't be happening anymore or the $399/month lease. If anyone knows differently, you can correct me, but this is what I've heard. The dealership where I got my IS300 had a a slightly higher invoice price than Edmunds, but I think they add advertising costs or some BS. Anyway, still got a good lease deal 3 weeks ago. It's a great car!
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