Lexus IS 300

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  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    Most of the useful info is all in the forums, not on the front of the site. Specs can always be found at lexus.com, and any other info you need can be found usually by running a search through the board archives. Almost every topic has come up at least 5 times.

    Also check out the new forum posted by Juice above. That's a great new site as well.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    The discussion has begun: Manual Ratio Discussion @ IS300.net.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    Side-by-side color samples for 2002 on the cars.
  • shawn325ishawn325i Member Posts: 100
    My boss at 60+ just had his ES300 come off lease and he leased a IS300 in it's place.

    I told him, it takes a good 40 years off him.

    Love the new red.
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    Just like the Lincoln LS Manual, the Manual is "penalized" by turning a higher rpm at cruise than its automatic sibling. I really expected a fifth gear closer to the autos .753. You don't really need a "close ratio" routine from fourth to fifth because by the time you go from fourth to fifth, the game is over - you just want to cruise. The manuals geared in fifth like you are trying to gain more critcal acceleration - maybe great at Bonneville or on the autobaun but after revving up thru the gears to above freeway speeds, it's all over. But I'm not trying to be critical - my Lincoln LS manual is worse! It has no overdrive fifth gear - it's 1:1 -so to keep revs down the rear end (LSD not available) ratio is 3:07, which doesn't help acceleration in ANY gear. You guys will be cutting high 6's while my LS will be lucky to do mid 7's. I have yet to break 20mpg because 75mph is 3000 rpm in fifth. The IS300 Manual, with it's stiffer suspension as well, is closer to a race car then any 3 series other than the current M3, but who can afford the price and the wait (not to mention the parts and service which are outrageous). Out
  • ojcojc Member Posts: 31
    If you had been reading the mags, your questions would have been answered long ago. The Manual IS has been delayed because TOY US wanted the 3liter 6 in the IS not the Altezza 2liter, and the tranny was not strong enough. A year ago, the mags stated that a tranny was being built to accomadate. So you see, this is why we knew that the tranny was a new one, this is why TOY US waited to roll out the manual, and this is why speculation can waste a lot of time.

    I agree about not racing to secure your deal now. The next year's production is likely to be higher, and after about 3 mos, the discounts will start. You forget that the auto industry is reeling now and even today, Autobytel will knock off $1000 off MSRP for an '02 manual IS300 (quoteed 8-1-01). Wait until Nov and you're likely to see even more off, regardless of what the mags say.
  • reefgeekreefgeek Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone seen the new blue color? Is it the same as the '01, just a different name? If not, how is it different?
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    Intense Blue Pearl is the name of the new blue. It's a darker shade of metallic blue, with the paint code 8N8. You can see an example on the Lexus website under "build your own". I've seen the blue sportcross in person - looks great.
  • v_techv_tech Member Posts: 52
    the exact arrival date for the manual???? silverlex??

    yo silver- i was just wondering what kind of gas mileage you are getting. i am getting about 23mpg with a mixture of city and highway driving and the aircon running constantly. the other day i pushed the car to 350 miles before filling it up. sadly that came out to 23.3 mpg but it was still nice to be able to go 350miles without having to worry much. the light was on though but the needle hadn't reached the E yet.

    vtec/vvti
  • ojcojc Member Posts: 31
    You can look at 'em, drive 'em, buy 'em. In fact, Autobytel quotes $1000 off MSRP for an in-stock loaded one (buy or lease)!
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    I got 24 on my last trip. The sticker on the new automatics say 18/25 now. Go figure. I think without airconditioning, you could squeeze out 25 for sure on a long trip.
  • taychoitaychoi Member Posts: 3
    anyone knows what should be the price for a pre-owned 2001 is300, around 5K miles, excellent condition, private seller. what about trade-in price?
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    You can buy a new one for close to invoice, so I'd charge it for time and miles. $27,000? $27,500? Maybe more depending on options.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    Yeah, I'd agree with Ray's estimate. If it's fully loaded, you might get 28 or 28.5 since you don't have many miles on it.
  • taychoitaychoi Member Posts: 3
    I'm looking to buy a pre-owned "01 IS300.
    1. Silver preferred, but would consider white;
    2. Car must be in NYC, NJ, Philadelphia area for inspection and test drive;
    3. Below 10K miles;
    4. Leather, moonroof, slip, 17';
    5. Must be like new, showroom condition. No slight damage whatsoever.

    Pls e-mail me at sungsuong@hotmail.com. Thanks.
  • shawn325ishawn325i Member Posts: 100
    I just watched Jimmy Vasser on Speedvision test drive both the IS300 manual and SC430.

    He gave both a big thumbs up while testing them on a road race track.

    No numbers though, believe me I was waiting for those.
  • fxashunfxashun Member Posts: 747
    I saw it too.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    TL Type-S | 330i | IS 300

    Price | $31,230 | $33,900 | $30,500
    Engine | 3.2L V6 | 3.0L I6 | 3.0L I6
    HP | 260 | 225 | 215
    TQ | 232 | 214 | 218
    Trans | 5sp auto | 5sp auto | 5sp auto
    0-60 | 7.0 sec | 6.5 sec | 7.1 sec
    60-0 | 136 ft | 133 ft | 131 ft
    skidpad | 0.83g | 0.84g | 0.91g
    Weight | 3570 lb | 3350 lb | 3400 lb

    "In a sprint to 60 mph it (TL Type-S) runs about even with the Lexus while the BMW is a half-second faster still. In the way of handling, both the Type-S and the 330i run neck-to-neck circling the skidpad, with the IS 300 running circles around them both."

    Road&Track - September 2001
  • shawn325ishawn325i Member Posts: 100
    geez Lex, I thought the mags were not worth the mention.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    I saw that show a month or so ago. I think it was on Speedvision right? Didn't it also show the SC canyon carving before they hit the track?
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
  • mchwemchwe Member Posts: 23
    hi! great summary by silverlex: i have long wondered why the the is should be slower than the 330: similar weight and torque.

    local salesman claimed that it is just due to tall gearing of the automatic's first gear, and that the IS is slow to about 20mph, then is actually faster than the 330 after that.

    anyhoo, he went on to say that a trd supercharger will soon be available through lexus dealerships for the is 300, will maintain the factory warranty, and will make about 330 hp.

    has anyone else heard of this? that would be a ton of fun.
  • shawn325ishawn325i Member Posts: 100
    The part I saw was Jimmy driving both the IS300 and SC430.
    They were having fun.
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    I've heard the same things about TRD, except that it won't be out at least until next year. In the meantime, Area51 has a stage one supercharged baby lex on the road that adds 50HP. The owner is more than pleased last time I read his post about going at it with the new M3.
  • fxashunfxashun Member Posts: 747
    I saw the same thing. And watched it until they brought out a few Lexus Executive this and thats to talk about the car.
    And yes the IS bases at 30,500 but as tested price on page 136 says 34,156 for the IS and 39,804 for the Bimmer. As tested for the TL is 33,710 since they added the only option, the GPS, otherwise it's 31,500 with dest. charge.
    Also telling is the over 2mpg advantage the TL has in fuel economy and the 1750 rpm cruise at 60mph. It tops out at 150 at only 4800 rpm. That's tall gearing. EPA for the TL is 19/29.
  • v_techv_tech Member Posts: 52
    if you can find a august edition of R/T you'll find a write-up on MONSTER RIDES in which they feature a HKS altezza that is totally race ready and totally illegal for regular streets. but it is quite a rocket featuring the company's GT3037S turbocharger that provides a whopping 24.0 psi boost. that translates into 564hp at 8000rpm and 446 lb-ft. at 6000 rpm. according to HKS it does a 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. oh well. they put in a new suspension too tearing out the old one and replacing it with a formula 1-type double-wishbone setup, complete with center-mounted coil springs and tube shocks. it is simply a project though and is not for sale. the next car is the skyline GTR blackbird with 550hp. this car is awesome and completely street legal doing 0-60 in a scant 3.5 seconds. and yes it can handle like a gem. porsche and bmw eat your hearts out.

    vtec/vvti/double vornados/ivtec
  • ripinrocketripinrocket Member Posts: 157
    So, anyone drive the 5-speed manual IS300 yet?

    impressions?
  • v_techv_tech Member Posts: 52
    the TRD supercharged IS when it arrives will hopefully be offered at a lesser price than a 330i. this will definitely stir things up don't you all think?? bmw could never supercharge their cars because if they did you'd have to buy a M3 before a regular 3er. that is kinda of funny to me. =)

    i think toyota should make the supercharger optional or just make a IS430 and IS300. charge 37K for the IS430 and really put some pressure on MB, audi, bmw, and jaq's x-type which goes for 50,000 folks. it would be interesting to see what the other guys do.

    vtec
  • mchwemchwe Member Posts: 23
    the price is everything. you can supercharge most six-cylinder 3 series (including the last version of the m3) with dinan parts: trouble is, it costs about 8-10 large (installed), especially if you buy the extra dinan warranty.

    the inline six is a great solution for a lighter car: r/t did a technical analysis a while back on the 330i inline six, citing intrinsic engine balance, quick revving, and adequate torque. would the v-8's weight upset the handling balance?

    i plan to buy the is300 5-speed. i want a rear-wheel drive car with a manual transmission, not a tiptronic slushy. that's bmw, lincoln, and now lexus. if the supercharger can be had for $2000-3,000 and will not affect the warranty, i'll be all over it.
  • taychoitaychoi Member Posts: 3
    Does the LSD help a lot on slippery road, esp. with 17" tires?

    I live in snow country, and it rains a lot here too. Is the LSD a real help, or is it just a fancy thing, nice to have, but doesn't do much?

    Thanks for your opinion.
  • ripinrocketripinrocket Member Posts: 157
    I would suspect the TRD/L-tuned supercharger would run about $5K, at minimum, installed. The Camry's supercharger runs about that much from TRD.

    A V8, IMO, would be a bad idea for the IS300. It would throw off the balance of the car slightly. Currently, the IS300s F/R balance is about 52/48 I believe. You would definately see about a shift to 54/46. In reality the Lexus 4.3L V8 does not weigh too much more than the 3.0L inline-6 because the 3.0L inline6 has a cast iron block whereas the V8 has a aluminum block.
  • labambabushkinlabambabushkin Member Posts: 4
    Hi!
    I know you are mostly guys here and maybe a lot younger than I, but just to dispel the myth a little about the IS being a 'boy racer' type of car, I'm a 50 year old female who loves to drive a quick, responsive, well built, RELIABLE, (don't forget the manual 5-speed!), and cute to boot - car. I was very excited to hear the IS was equipped with a 5 speed for '02, I've been waiting patiently every since. Getting a Silver/Black Leather, polished alloy wheels, spoiler, Lsd, Nav in the next week or so.
    Just a note that I hope won't get me banned or this message deleted: Went to test drive a bmw 330i coupe right after our visit to the Lexus dealer to compare drivability, comfort, etc. Well....our test car (a very beautiful silver/gray) got overheated on our 10 minute ride making it necessary to return pronto to the dealer. The driver's side door handle was loose and the ashtray located at the rear of the center console was broken. When I expressed surprise at these problems on a car that had less than 50 miles on the odometer, the salesman said he could give us a 'small discount' on that car, otherwise we would be paying full sticker price. I'll pass, thanks.
    This will be our 6th car from Toyota/Lexus. Two Previas, one 4-Runner, one ES 300 and my husband's company car is a GS 300. In the last 12 years, these cars have yet to spent one day at the repair shop. I can't wait to get my new car!!!
    I wonder how many women read this forum? I've learned a lot from you all. Thanks!! Linda
  • v_techv_tech Member Posts: 52
    congratulations labambabushkin on your new IS300!!!! i am relieved to know that someone out there believes in value, reliablity, and service when they shop for cars. outside of a handful of people i was beginning to wonder if these factors were important at all to anybody in america. the sales of toyotas and hondas in america prove that a good car doesn't have to have the heritage and prestige and a hood ornament. i have heard a million people call the IS300 butt ugly here on edmunds which only provides me with a good laugh. there are even posters suggesting the IS300 must suck because this board is just dead and there are no IS posters. this too makes me laugh as if all of america and their feelings about cars is represented solely here at edmunds.com. oh well.

    the knock on lexus from what i have gathered on other boards is their cars are boring, lack passion, no soul. they are slush mobiles that lack performance, ride, and handling qualities. some of them even call the lexus cars overpriced while they drive more expensive bimmers. this is confusing to me especially. others feel that lexus doesn't belong because their cars are butt ugly. their cars look like they should be driven by pokemon. their cars don't belong because they are automatics for the most part even though 2 of 3 bimmer drivers have automatics with probably no sport suspension too for that matter. i value their perspective just like i take a truck loving lexus hating friends insults about the IS300 being a little car with no muscle sound like his F-150 harley davidson special edition (the lexus IS would dust this big truck IMO). however when i bring up factors like reliability, value, service, more standard features, better warranty in a lot of cases all i get is who cares if our cars are in the shop every month that IS300 is butt ugly with no manual tranny i would never consider it. =) oh well just a recap of what i have learned about the average opinion of lexus and its IS300 in general. =)

    vtech
  • ripinrocketripinrocket Member Posts: 157
    Alot of them are just BMW 3-series and Audi A4 lovers who really know the Lexus IS300 is more sporty than either, but don't want to admit it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    amen, ripin'!
    Now, if there are any volunteers to purchase me a new IS 300 manual right now, I'd really be set....
    ~alpha
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    That there are people out there that just don't like the IS300? I don't like the way it looks (inside or out) and I don't like the way the road noise intrudes when you drive it. I do like the handling, and I'm sure the acceleration of the manual is very good. It's got a lot to offer, just not to me.

    But to say we're just jealous because we don't agree with you is ridiculous.

    I know there are people out there who don't like the A4 (you two being two of them). That's fine, not everyone likes everything. But I don't think you're jealous because you don't like it.

    I got the car that suited my needs the best and you got what suited your needs the best. But that doesn't make you right and me wrong because we have different wants and needs...
  • silverlexsilverlex Member Posts: 156
    Be sure to share your experiences with your new baby over at IS300.net's forums. We're always glad to see woman posting there and from the sound of your post you would enjoy the discussions. Drive it like your stole it and let us know how it moves! :-)

    -SilverLex
  • iontrapiontrap Member Posts: 139
    in Augusta, GA. I'll finally be able to test drive an IS300 sometime within the next couple of months.
  • firstnamefirstname Member Posts: 45
    After test-driving an Acura 3.2 TL Type S, I'm disappointed by the "automatic" feel of its manual-shifting 5-speed selectable automatic transmission. Is the IS300 same?

    The reasons why I've always preferred manual shifting trannies are:

    - Positive engagement into proper gear DURING or BEFORE a tight turn
    - Power upshifts from 3rd gear directly to 5th gear when getting on the freeway
    - Quick downshift passing from 5th gear cruise mode to 3rd (or 2nd!) gear GET-OUT-OF-THE-WAY haul [non-permissible content removed] mode
    - Low gear braking, then immediate acceleration

    So my question is: does the IS300 steering column shifting offer something closer to manual shifting?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Not in my opinion, but then I find nothing objectionable about the shift quality of either car you are taking about. Frankly, given your concerns, you should just get a manual and forget the alternatives. For me, the manumatics offered in both the Acura and Lexus work just fine under every conceivable circumstance; for you, I doubt you would be happy with anything out there without a clutch.
  • labambabushkinlabambabushkin Member Posts: 4
    Hello again... I posted up a few, was looking forward to my silver/black leather, manual tranny IS to come in. Yesterday we got a call from the dealer - they just took delivery of a RED IS, would we like to see it. YES! To make a long story short, we loved it and took it home. We've already put 300 miles on Red just cruising around the Bay area. It is so darn PRETTY. Lexus of Fremont Auto Mall has the most selection of the 3 dealers we have visited. I had leased my ES300 from them 2 years ago and their level of service is still A-1. To be treated with respect and kindness when making a $30,000 + purchase is exactly the way it should be.
    The break-in period is 1,000 miles so it will be a few more days till we see what she can do. I can't use technical terms like some of the experts here, all I can tell you is it's truly fun to drive this car. It handles like a dream - steering, shifting, braking all better than I have ever experienced. So responsive. The sound system isn't bad either, but I find myself driving without the CDs playing because I love to hear the engine. Sweet sound! Fit and finish is impeccable as you would expect from Lexus. Very happy, great car! Have a wonderful week all you IS fans!
    Linda
  • mchwemchwe Member Posts: 23
    interesting to hear a first report of driving the manual. i test drove the five-speed yesterday, also red with black ecsaine (?sp).

    i also enjoyed it a lot. i felt the shifter to be nice, but i wish the knob wasn't plastic: a turned aluminum knob a la honda s2000 would be much nicer.

    the car drove beautifully: smooth, supple ride but with very little body roll. i wish the car had a little more punch to it: passing in 5th at 70 mph was completely unexciting.

    i will order myself one of these as soon as i can put my pennies together!

    happy driving!
  • chem123chem123 Member Posts: 272
    Not to flame, but I have yet to drive a car that makes passing in 5th exciting or even hear of one for that matter.
  • mchwemchwe Member Posts: 23
    the last two manual transmission cars i have driven were the new c230 coupe (6 speed), which was quite sedate, and a '98 m3, which was not. perhaps that car spoiled me, but it absolutely pulls out at highway speed, no need to catch 4th.

    clearly, the is300 with the 5sp is quick, but it doesn't move out like a muscle car. of course, i don't want a muscle car!
  • labambabushkinlabambabushkin Member Posts: 4
    A leather shift knob is available if you don't like the metallic feel. I may get one too. I'm liking the interior more each day. I find the instruments easy to read. Love the way everything fits so precisely. I took out the cup holders in the front, just using the compartment to hold gum, etc. Don't think shifting and sipping would go together too well somehow ;^) Haven't seen another red IS300 around here yet; silver seems to be the most popular, followed by black. The dealer said all their manual ISs were being delivered with the spoiler. I enjoy the looks this little car brings, especially with fellow Lexus drivers - got a thumbs up from a gentleman at a red light today, lots of heads turning. This is fun! Good luck to you mchwe, hope you will get yours soon!
    Linda
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    Maybe it wasn't the car that is a "looker". Perhaps the thumps up from the gentleman at the light was meant for you, not the car. Perhaps, you're the "looker". LOL

    If you're blonde in a red car, it always stands out regardless what car you drive. hehe.
  • v_techv_tech Member Posts: 52
    some guy on the "what is this bmw thing" board told me that the IS300 is no 3 series competitor, it is a luxury version of the ford focus, it has major identity problems, the plastics inside are cheap as heck, the chronograph gauge cluster is the most unreadable thing he has ever seen, blah blah blah. i have heard it all before but the ford focus comment was the funniest for sure. any thoughts on the IS300 being nothing but a ford focus with some luxury gadgets??? the wrx was one thing but the ford focus?? this is hilarious.

    let me state my perspective on the wrx and focus. the IS is a small car but let's not get carried away here. the focus and wrx are little tin can looking THINGS. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! i see this wrx four door almost everyday where i work and that car is so damn small looking it better go fast. i mean i think the civic two door has more of a athletic build than this little tin can. the focus??? oh please. =)

    vtec/vvti/ivtec/double voranos
  • mchwemchwe Member Posts: 23
    indeed, the is is heavier than the 330i. i don't think the tach is so bad, having driven the manual. i do think it would be cool to switch the tach and the speedo, so that the tach would be the largest dial.

    of course, there is an abundance of reviews that favorably rate the is300 with the bimmer. in terms of the focus, to coin a phrase, "you make me raff."
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    You think the Ford Focus was the funniest comment? I thought my comment about "souped up Corolla" was funny. hehe

    Forget about IS300 vs Beemer 3 series. Both of these vehicles will be looking at the rear end of the Altima/G35. I can't wait to see a souped up V6 Altima.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    souped up? who says that? are you like 50 and stuck in the eighties? HOOKED UP is the proper slang (oxymoron?). Anyways, the Altima/G35 may look great, but they still arent BMW or Lexus and I'd trade sheer straight line speed for the handling agility of the 3 and IS that I'm sure at least the Altima will lack.
    ~alpha
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